SK is one of the most developed and advanced countries in the world today, yet their society is so far behind

@yercabbages

2 жыл бұрын

Truth

@naeviscalling6429

2 жыл бұрын

OMG U JUST SPILL THE TEA.

@aminahussain8690

2 жыл бұрын

@James Henry Smith dafuc r u even saying. speak cohesively.

@durgamenon1113

2 жыл бұрын

Cuz their population is so Low. Due to technology development south koreans don't want kids.

@shreyamathur824

2 жыл бұрын

That goes for many developed countries tbh especially the developed Asian countries like Japan.

The hypocresy in companies eliminating LGBTQ+ trainees from the process but then go and do fanservice between the members 🙄

@matheuswdl

2 жыл бұрын

The whole skinship between samesex members is not queerbait, cause if you search about same sex friendships in korea in the perspective of people who lived there, you'll find out that they are really like that to their close friends, in and out of camera. Still, when it comes to LGBTQ+ people, they have a lot to improve, but when it comes to fragile masculinity in touching, hugging, kissing other man, it's pretty natural among close friends.

@keiserious

2 жыл бұрын

Matheus Lima yes, this is true outside of the West.

@akuaik.100

2 жыл бұрын

@@matheuswdl When I say fanservice I don't mean skinship between members cause I know many of them do it when they feel comfortable beside eachother. I mean fanservice that they do for concerts or fansigns purposely when they know some fans have certain ships, you can see some moments are scripted (specially in concerts and tour cause they repeat the same actions after certain songs)

@Androids23

2 жыл бұрын

@@akuaik.100 exactly

@whathano.9739

2 жыл бұрын

@@akuaik.100 yes I’m fine with skin ship because it shows they are comfortable and have a good relationship to show affection but companies ruin that by making them do fanservice , example; Han and Lee Know ship- earlier days they used to be naturally close, playful and affectionate even sometimes flirty but lately in videos it’s very blatant that they were told to play up their relationship and now basically every video has a moment that could be taken as though they were in a romantic relationship (idk if they actually are but it’s very clear to see the way their relationship has changed)

Shinee's Jonghyun also was an inspiration to others: he wasn't afraid of being vocal about global issues and the thing he wanted the most was to put the light on minorities in general. Sadly he was criticised but he never stopped. I wanted to talk about him because his thoughts deserved to be mentioned somehow

@honeykookie4495

2 жыл бұрын

another reason why i still love and adore him

@giulianamoscuzzamania6010

2 жыл бұрын

@@honeykookie4495 honestly who doesn't 💙

@honeykookie4495

2 жыл бұрын

​@@giulianamoscuzzamania6010 fax fax

@aalyiahfrancios4389

2 жыл бұрын

Who was that girl crying at 5:07 ? I feel like I’ve seen her and it’s bothering me.

@jayjay8119

2 жыл бұрын

@@aalyiahfrancios4389 Seola from WJSN i think

This really shows how toxic the Korean society is - hating idols for posting something about women power, like naeun’s freaking phone case. Yes, girls can do anything.

@deadcorpse69

2 жыл бұрын

the amount of fragility from Korean men, they're scared of process lol

@EyeSEeYous

2 жыл бұрын

@Human Being that’s so disgusting, it’s unbelievable. Even if you got educated wrongly through your family, you can still teach yourself better or get taught from someone who knows better - but those people who got educated wrongly don’t even think about looking at “the other side” / the other perspective or won’t listen, which is really annoying. I know they might think this was the right education, but that doesn’t mean it is, so listen.

@EyeSEeYous

2 жыл бұрын

@KPOP and METAL there is always something women can do and men can’t do. There might be something too, which only men can do but I can’t think of that right now - ( I don’t have anything against men, in general, don’t get me wrong. I just can’t think of anything that men can do, which women can’t do )

@EyeSEeYous

2 жыл бұрын

@Isabel reed well the Korean society still judges the idols, whether they listen to Kpop or not, because Kpop is still a thing in Korea. If Koreans really weren’t to listen to Kpop as much, as they are, then Kpop wouldn’t be as big as it is. It’s not only a international thing.

@EyeSEeYous

2 жыл бұрын

@Isabel reed of course it won’t represent the whole society, but still a big part of it. Feminism is still a bad thing in Korea. And if idols talk about something which just has a little bit to do with feminism/ even if it’s just about some women power - like with naeun’s phone case - people/ Korean netizens will talk/ will get involved. And I mean people from everywhere ( in Korea ), not just from the Kpop community.

Irene's situation proves how women are mistreated in Korea ..if those fans have actually loved her they would have respected her .

@deadcorpse69

2 жыл бұрын

i just want to know what the male fans said about her

@namu4380

2 жыл бұрын

@@deadcorpse69 I heard that some of her fanboys burnt her photocards

@deadcorpse69

2 жыл бұрын

@@namu4380 where was it posted

@jarinkhan3619

2 жыл бұрын

*I DID RESPECTED IRENE, I EVEN LITERALLY TRIED TO STOP SOME HATERS FROM BAD MOUTHING HER, If you want to make women get equal rights and value, then you have to start protecting and standing up for them and for us, for ourselves too*

@namu4380

2 жыл бұрын

@@jarinkhan3619 you are absolutely right 👍...and we will support and protect them .

I'm actually happy that Mamamoo is able to express themselves.

@umokay5805

2 жыл бұрын

And they chose to be racist uwu

@cecilia8393

2 жыл бұрын

@@umokay5805 truee

@bluebear0619

2 жыл бұрын

@@umokay5805 did anyone ask?

@umokay5805

2 жыл бұрын

@@bluebear0619 did anyone ask?

@bluebear0619

2 жыл бұрын

@James Henry Smith it was written for them but hwasa took part in the production process(composing and lyrics) too

Imagine apologizing for being born somewhere….

If you don’t like what ur idol says, then leave the fanbase quietly and respectfully or stay in the fanbase, and keep ur mouth shut, until EVERYTHING gets cleared. No one should have to go through what these Kpop idols have been through, I stan and respect them for that❤️

@christinejones1772

2 жыл бұрын

👏👏👏 well said❣️

@mariama4284

2 жыл бұрын

@@christinejones1772 tysm❤️

@AliceBjornberg

2 жыл бұрын

Hate is wasteful spread love instead. If you show love to others then you will get love back 💗🔙

@mariama4284

2 жыл бұрын

@@AliceBjornberg exactly!

@anubizz3

2 жыл бұрын

I assume because they financially and emotionally invested to that Idol, image you are black and invested in that idol and suddenly found out that Idol is extremely racist, you just leave that fandom quietly? Even after spend thousands of dollars of your pocket money?

Not in KPOP but just recently happened a korean woman archer was told to give back her gold medal just because she had a short haircut which some ppl think she's supporting/ promoting feminism

@Neha_the_great_sharma

2 жыл бұрын

I saw that I checked out that san from ateez have also spoken about it.

@mrsselena7972

2 жыл бұрын

@@Neha_the_great_sharma where did san speak about it ?

@Neha_the_great_sharma

2 жыл бұрын

@@mrsselena7972 I saw in an article. San is getting a lot of backlash for it.

@mrsselena7972

2 жыл бұрын

@@Neha_the_great_sharma people are actually that stupid wtf is wrong with them

@Neha_the_great_sharma

2 жыл бұрын

@sunday she won gold medal in archery that also in Olympics. I am feeling proud for them but its not my country and all those people care is the haircut.

Funny enough, feminism is only growing and with that stupid overreactions they are only giving it more popularity.

@joshua_here5849

2 жыл бұрын

Nah, one thing didn't mentioned in this video is that feminism in SK is very toxic and radical

@yukigiro17

2 жыл бұрын

​@@joshua_here5849 Nah, it's like everything, people exaggerates when it suits them. For a racist every muslim is a terrorist, for a businessman every union is a poison, for a sexist every feminist is a radical. I mean, they just said in the news that some men where pissed off because An San had short hair and they looked into her social media to find "evidence" that she was a "feminist"... isn't that radical?? isn't that toxic?? Are all men in S. Korea like that?? NO!! Are all feminist in S. Korea "toxic and radical"?? NO!!!. But the thing still stands, with the overreaction they are making the word and concept of feminist more popular and know.

@joshua_here5849

2 жыл бұрын

@@yukigiro17 I was talking about feminism tho, and yes I condemn the whole situation with the Olympic archer

@joshua_here5849

2 жыл бұрын

@@yukigiro17 idk if you know major Feminists organizations in South Korea supported a female r*pist, you should look at the situation of feminism in SK it's awful, and one thing I one to point out, feminism from your perspective is an idealogy, and for me is a movement if you want to know about how toxic is feminism is in Korea then you should look at this, you should check out the link I gave below, it pretty much sums it up (Note : there are not good articles on this topic because most of them giving half baked information, I found this Quora answer pretty unbiased)

@joshua_here5849

2 жыл бұрын

@AliceEphemeral well your not wrong about the conservative society part, but feminism is SK goes to such extent thaat major feminist organizations preach that you should be radical, they put a bad image, and I am not personally sure about feminism for men, if you heard about Erin Pizzey situation, Mary Krosse or the protest against gender neutral rape laws, you would no feminism only supports male victims I guess on "Social media" feminism has always been against male victims, anyways that's a whole other side of debate, and there are not many male idol or female idol who have said they support feminism, so I don't think we can make a presumption, if you want to see an unbiased opinion on SK feminism then you should check out the link below, I know it's a Quora answer, but article from other sites are highly biased

When Joy from Red Velvet wore a T-shirt that stated, “ We Should All Be Feminists”, she was also attacked. 😑

@deadcorpse69

2 жыл бұрын

she also liked a feminist post and got attacked again..

@Androids23

2 жыл бұрын

So sk doesn't believe that women and men are equal, got it

@orangeorange846

2 жыл бұрын

@@Androids23 no actually, if you look at the laws in S. Korea at least, they mostly support women in basically everything. For example, only men are required by law to go to military for 2 years, women are favored in family court decisions, women can falsely accuse a men for sexual assault with no evidence and can get away with it, and the list goes on. Feminism in sk caused this massive change in the political and social system that degraded men and victimized women, people- including many women- have started to reject feminism in order to combat the 'victim' mentality that caused so much harm in the society- like a massive drop in the annual birth rate, hundreds of men being falsely accused of sexual assault every month, and spending tax money for 'families' but all of them being directed to women. However, the type of feminism that they so much reject is the 4th wave feminism, not the 2nd wave if you know what the differences are.

@Androids23

2 жыл бұрын

@@orangeorange846 then why are the mad at irene when she read that book...?

@orangeorange846

2 жыл бұрын

@@Androids23 where did I mention Irene or anyone? I am saying that sk people have became very sensitive to the word 'feminism' and when an idol supports it, it is no wonder that people 'attack' them.

South Korea is very active politically, there are protest on many cases and they act quickly when something major happened like Goo Hara and SK quickly make the Goo hara act happen.

@kpopscenario1406

2 жыл бұрын

Yea

@mariaromano7481

2 жыл бұрын

Oops. Who is "they"? They act quickly? Goo Hara is dead.

@silverbullet252

2 жыл бұрын

@@mariaromano7481 Wow you're reading comprehension.... I'll help you. OP 1st mentions South Korea as the subject of their sentence then states "they act quickly" - this means in standard English "they" = "South Koreans". Later in the sentence "LIKE Goo Hara"] "Like" here separates the 1st & 2nd part of the sentence. It gives an example to back up the first part of the sentence of "they act quickly" by mentioning how they/South Koreans acted quickly. OP's sentence is grammatically correct w/correct use of commas and placement when things happened. Hope that helps. Or maybe you're just a troll? The last part of your post is tactless & uncalled for.

@Alexza525

2 жыл бұрын

@@silverbullet252 I'm pretty sure its "your reading comprehension"

@mariaromano7481

2 жыл бұрын

@@silverbullet252 I'm not a troll. I gave my opinion. And I read correctly. I can give my opinion, or not? Facts speak for themselves. The rest is useless

I remember Blackpink once holding a pride flag at a concert. They show their support for lgbt + all the time. I didn't even know how much courage it takes when you are an idol.

@deadcorpse69

2 жыл бұрын

i remember that too, at first i was so surprised that they knew about lgbt citizen and "supported" them but them noticing us made me feel better

@deadcorpse69

2 жыл бұрын

i also remembered when Jennie said at the interviewer that a" girl's love doesn't always have to be for a boy''? i don't know if that fits here

@deadcorpse69

2 жыл бұрын

also i see alot of homophobic blinks 💀

@ripik5027

2 жыл бұрын

@@deadcorpse69 I found this interview. Jennie exactly said “I don’t think it (love) necessarily has to be directed with a guy.. Love isn’t about the gender, It’s how you feel to that person.. Being attractive to different genders is something that we shouldn’t close.” 🙌🏻😍

@deadcorpse69

2 жыл бұрын

@@ripik5027 yea, where is the interview you found?

The male fans throwing hate to Irene were proving the writer’s point of the struggles Korean women had to deal with.

The industry is super restricting and it is horrible for their Mental, Emotional, Physical, and even their Social health. I only hope that things change for the better so that idols can be their true selves and not always have to put on a face.

@mikayla9146

2 жыл бұрын

Things really need to change.

@notwerkinginthishouse8634

2 жыл бұрын

@@mikayla9146 Let's protest

@jameshenrysmith8426

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, I mean this stuff probably breaks all the 10 Commandments at once. I didn't even know that was possible to do!

Sulli is a angel! She fought for woman in korea. She's seriously amazing 💕

@jameshenrysmith8426

2 жыл бұрын

Thailand has ladyboys and sex bars!

@jameshenrysmith8426

2 жыл бұрын

But the Philippines loves women!

@beverlyledbetter4906

Жыл бұрын

Korea is a very misogynistic country. It's really sad the way they view women!

JYP asking trainees to leave because they're gay... OOF.

@deadcorpse69

2 жыл бұрын

i thought jyp wasnt homophobic....

@DefineMorena

2 жыл бұрын

I was surprised at this

@slaymixxismyvibe8455

2 жыл бұрын

that was 1 trainee and its because he was caught dating before debut every company do it cause dating is strictly restricted there is a member in 2AM another Jyp grp whose name in Jokwon he is also gay Back in 2010 he also had a dating scandal with U-kiss member soohyun when their private messages were leaked as they’re both guys but their text messages were them saying I love you to each other over and over again and saying stuff To each other like “My love soohyun” “my love Jokwon” “my darling” even sunmi (not clear tho) but talked abt such things again Miyeon was also kicked out cause she was found dating its some basic rules u have to follow and maybe others are more talnted than him ??

@lgt_jne

2 жыл бұрын

Really ewww

@lilsxies5706

2 жыл бұрын

The fact he's saying that is so different to how Twice are and he can't even do anything about it

It's sad and heartbreaking that a HUMAN BEING, not idols, are stifled and risk their careers, for merely, exercising their own free will and love for their home country. I understand that they knowingly, at least I hope they're aware, sign up for this type of medieval bullshit, but it goes to show that the companies ONLY concern is MONEY, PROFIT and GREED.

@darugdawg2453

2 жыл бұрын

if you want to be an activist then you can quit being idol and be activist instead. nobody is forcing anyone

@notwerkinginthishouse8634

2 жыл бұрын

@@darugdawg2453 You can be both if you want.

@jameshenrysmith8426

2 жыл бұрын

Thailand has ladyboys and sex bars!

@jameshenrysmith8426

2 жыл бұрын

But the Philippines loves women!

@jameshenrysmith8426

2 жыл бұрын

Yes! I mean this stuff probably breaks all the 10 Commandments at once. I didn't even know that was possible to do!

It is just heartbreaking to see Tzuyu forced to apologise just for raising her country flag.

maybe SK misinterpreted "feminism" a lot. "feminism" isn't about female vs male, its about humans vs male patriarchy. we all know, even if you are a male, that males are much more capable of doing violent actions more than women. and that was feminism is about, empowering women against 'danger', and not against men. also, feminism doesn't have to be just for women too. you can be a feminist even if you're a man. reading a book about it won't hurt, idk why they're reacting like that with irene. PLUS, namjoon also reads a feminist book but he gains respect. maybe people just hate irene and it wasn't right! :(

@craytowns9479

2 жыл бұрын

People forget that feminism is about human equality. It’s about protecting all human rights and demanding healthy standards for everyone regardless of gender. Toxic masculinity is also tackled in feminism and we all know how harmful that can be on men. I think there’s a lot of misunderstanding concerning the movement because unless a guy is very toxic and dominating, he shouldn’t feel threatened by feminists.

@luna-yl6ur

2 жыл бұрын

@@craytowns9479 yes, well said! i hate how they're against with being feminist when in fact, its all about human rights :(

@adettessubs444

2 жыл бұрын

The word has been used by people who don't believe in men having rights and people that hate men. So if someone first assumes it's about disliking men you shouldn't be surprised. I hate what it has turned into.

@luna-yl6ur

2 жыл бұрын

@@adettessubs444 yeah i guess so, i hate the fact that 'i shouldn't be surprised'. and idk why we have this kind of society

@JL-jg8tr

2 жыл бұрын

You are so right. ALSO, the fact that a man reading a feminist book is cool and a woman reading one is black listed, tells you everything you need to know.

The first story is incredibly blood boiling. I can't imagine being forced to publicly appeal to the dictatorship that oppresses me at the expense of my country's credibility. Denouncing your own identity, disappointing your people, and having to apologize to the government that caused pain and trauma for your people? The shame and anger is unimaginable.

@khanhphaminh1175

2 жыл бұрын

Because Gi-dle have a Chinese member so the group's activities must expand to China. Just like most Hollywood movie studios cowardly have to kneel down before the Chinese communist's power, to make money and promote movies, especially that guy John Cena (or Xina). I bet you that if Lisa or Minnie dare to speak out about the protes in Thailand, they will be boycotted immediately. Actually, I think Tzuyu is a lucky case. Since Twice doesn't have any Chinese members, JYP originally didn't open up the market for Twice here (although that compensates with a thicker schedule, the girls have to be more active).

@sapphic.flower

2 жыл бұрын

@@khanhphaminh1175 yeah I can't totally be upset with Tzuyu or certain idols that are forced to for the sake of their careers, especially when they're clearly the victims. But the company forcing them in order to appeal to the CCP is just heartless and obviously people like John Cena who's only relationship with the CCP is their box office money...

@khanhphaminh1175

2 жыл бұрын

@@sapphic.flower I've long felt that there's something weird about the JYP dude, but never thought he would be this crazy. Has hundreds of millions of dollars in assets, but he still chooses to bow his head like a slave instead of standing proudly to protect those who need him.

@jameshenrysmith8426

2 жыл бұрын

"...credibility. ..." If credibility is real, then obviously Kpop, Kdrama, Tpop etc. lost all of its cred long ago!

@jameshenrysmith8426

2 жыл бұрын

"...credibility. ..." This stuff still using the Devil and his demons for popularity and doing mind control on it's audience?

Idols talking about politics will be an instant death sentence to their career. They already have enough things to worry about.

Y’all ever wonder how we dream about being kpop idols? What if kpop idols ever dream about having a normal life?

@ArtIsDrawing

2 жыл бұрын

They can stop being a k pop idol

@sleeponbedbutdontsleepondr555

2 жыл бұрын

@@ArtIsDrawing bruh

@anonymousowl7099

2 жыл бұрын

@@ArtIsDrawing sure and we could all just become kpop idols

@ToastedBread14

9 ай бұрын

​@@ArtIsDrawing they can't, they have to pay their debt to management

This is devestating our Kpop idols can't even have their own and speak about their countries, even for Taiwanese idols. The Kpop industry is so toxic and just wants to keep these girls for their entertainment. Alone with the JYP Entertainment, should be receiving tons of backlash for what they have done. Kpop idols doesn't matter Men or Women should have their rights to speak about whatever they want and they don't even have any rights to speak about other actions in the US such as BLM, LGBTQ+, and so much more. Not only are the Kpop idols being treated like this our American actors and singers they are being treated like this too. Because these companies want M.o.n.e.y! they don't want their idols to have time or get any sleep. They can't even eat any food they want which isn't Okay! and it's not okay to keep these idols silent. I have tons of respect of our Kpop idols, but not their agencies they don't even let them be who they doesn't matter if your gay or straight or homosexual you just be you. After all our Kpop idols should get better treatment and shouldn't be kicked out be they are Gay. It's because they should be who they are . Have a good day to all the Kpop idols out and they should ignore the haters out there ignore them and go on about your day. Life matters, but care more.

@l0vet075

2 жыл бұрын

Knetz are toxic not the industry.

@jenni_kay

2 жыл бұрын

@@l0vet075 That is true that knetz can be absolutely toxic, but it doesn’t help that a good portion of the industry not only enable it but even cater to that kind of toxicity. So to me, both are at fault.

*This isnt about victim being female.This isnt about Feminism , This is person to person , taking actions i might be rash to take parts in such things , but this is ""HUMANISM""* exactly true words 6:32

@silverbullet252

2 жыл бұрын

No. Saying "humanism" erases "female" from the equation. It denies the cultural factors that deem violence against women ok. It makes control over the "fem" ok. It's DaBaby saying homophobic comments to a MAN & people being against him MEANWHILE he's on camera hitting a woman & the internet shrugs. It's "she was asking for it" & "what were you wearing" when 1. clothes has NO bearing on whether ladies of any age are attacked & 2. no one asks for it - but THESE hold up in a court of law. The girl saying she had been mistreated at photo shoot goes to court: "why were you there" "weren't you secretly flirting" "What were you wearing? Why did you agree to it? Why didn't you insist on wearing something else?" YOU CAN NOT BE A HUMANIST AND DISMANTLE OR EVEN COMBAT THESE VERY GENDER-SPECIFIC ISSUES! #feminism PS I bet you dollars to donuts Seohyun only said that to get the male cry babies off her back.

@silverbullet252

2 жыл бұрын

@Isabel reed Dismantle your internalized mysoginy. It'll do you - and the planet - wonders. Humanism DOES NOT help female issues. It's "all lives matter" when people say Black Lives Matter. It's just a way of shutting down the issue w/o actually doing anything to address the REAL underlying societal issue. Humanism is a bandaid for the disease & never a cure.

@slaymixxismyvibe8455

2 жыл бұрын

@@silverbullet252 Humainsm is a thing which is genderless thing not feminism or male dominance just simple def that we should help each other in times of need rather than looking for gender

@slaymixxismyvibe8455

2 жыл бұрын

@Isabel reed true like in dance we say male idols do masculine dance and disrespect and all when they cover female grp dance but again Dance has no gender ppl tend to forget such things

@slaymixxismyvibe8455

2 жыл бұрын

@@silverbullet252 also see woojin case too her was defamed by females still shitted and mocked by whole public right ??

I swear these people need help MAMAMOO made a song hip kinda talking about this ig? I wish sulli was with them so she would be here alive, and hopefully female kpop idol will get justice a lot of love to sulli tho💜💜💜💜💜

Tzuyu was only 16!!! Omg she was just a child 😭😭

@3rdelement10

2 жыл бұрын

16 isn't a child

@gwenmloveskpopcecmore

Жыл бұрын

@@3rdelement10 it’s still a minor though

@3rdelement10

Жыл бұрын

@@gwenmloveskpopcecmore K but it isn't a child

@gwenmloveskpopcecmore

Жыл бұрын

@@3rdelement10 yep

@3rdelement10

Жыл бұрын

@@gwenmloveskpopcecmore Yep it isn't a child

Joy: wears a feminist shirt. People: hit her with hate comments. Joy: posts more photos with the feminist shirt. Joy gave them the most respectful middle finger. I love her so much.

Im acually wondering, do yall hear this? Someone needs to take a photo down of her phone because her phone case says ' girls can do anything', what the actual f.... People really make so much fuss about nothing. And even if it would have to do anything with feminism, its non of your concerns.

@anniechen9208

2 жыл бұрын

@James Henry Smith You've been saying the exact same thing over and over again in everyones comments and it just doesn't make sense 🤨

@hectzen23

2 жыл бұрын

@@anniechen9208 ik I said the same thing as you but he replied “I didn’t swear”. Tf?

It literally breaks my heart 💔 seeing how kpop groups and other celebrities are being treated. We are human beings created in God's image. We should treat each other with love , respect and decency. It should not matter if we don't always agree with each other, that is what makes us unique. All we need is Love - the Beatles

@jameshenrysmith8426

2 жыл бұрын

This stuff still using the Devil and his demons for popularity and doing mind control on it's audience?

@jameshenrysmith8426

2 жыл бұрын

This Kpop, Tpop etc. stuff probably breaks all the 10 Commandments at once. I didn't even know that was possible to do!

@beverlyledbetter4906

Жыл бұрын

A lot of celebrities feel that they're so popular that nothing can harm their careers. Look at Natalie Maines: she thought the Dixie Chicks were so popular that she could get away with that remark about Bush (of which I totally agree). I guess the group wanted to kill her after that; because it not only ruined her career but theirs too!

Not talking about obvious social problems like females being objectified, LGBTQ+ being dehumanized and many more. Those haters acitvely denying issues, posting malicious comments and sending death threats, are nothing more than scum. I said what I said, come back if you are grown up enough and educated yourself enough to have a real discussion

3:18 I'm Taiwanese and would be scared to speak about how China treats Taiwan but that is absolutely unexpendable tzuyu and all other K-pop idols can speak about where there from they should be able to say anything.

@joshuawindsor895

Жыл бұрын

Then why do you guys speak hokkien and mandarin because nobody is that restard is you they language who origin in China that so stupid right now.

Idol's are humans too. I don't know why others treat idol's as if they weren't humans. They were all born and didn't think they would get famous.

@l0vet075

2 жыл бұрын

Kpop idol is korean imaginary dating. That is why secret dating only exist in korea. Do know how destroy BTS? Let em dating.

So I just wanna ask what Korean men actually want. Do they actually treat women just like their pets.

@l0vet075

2 жыл бұрын

Their idol maybe.

@hectzen23

2 жыл бұрын

@James Henry Smith your comments are making 0 sense, and you were mocking the kpop industry in another comment and insulting c-pop, but you made hundreds of comments on a Twice singing video defending TWICE from hate?

@seansswamp

2 жыл бұрын

@James Henry Smith get help

@hectzen23

2 жыл бұрын

@@seansswamp exactly bruh

@hectzen23

2 жыл бұрын

@James Henry Smith how do I somewhat agree with you?

its not mainly about gender anymore...its really about human rights now... this is still an extracted type of modern oppression..

actually, tzuyu’s apology was not deleted as you said in the video, it’s just a simple mistake in the video and of course it’s alright, but I wanted to make a correction to show that the apology of a 16 year old CHILD who was tormented and bullied which is disturbing, is still up. jype should stop being crowd pleasers and stand up against hate instead of falling into it.

@user-jy7vh4vr9p

2 жыл бұрын

@James Henry Smith that’s rude to say. they ARE real countries. jyp does not represent the whole country, and it’s actually china who pressured tzuyu to apologize not taiwan. all are real countries so don’t disrespect them.

@3rdelement10

2 жыл бұрын

A 16 year old isn't a child...

@user-jy7vh4vr9p

2 жыл бұрын

@@3rdelement10 it is. 16 years old is really young

@Zain94336

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-jy7vh4vr9p No its not literally fully gone through puberty. Only immature white westerns think it is.

@SewolHoONCE

Жыл бұрын

The unnecessary confession/apology is not just, “still up,” the original video without subtitles is still getting some 200 to 250 views per day, is approaching 10 million views, and has 133k comments. If this video is an intentional tear-jerker, I am one person who fell for it

Tzuyu is a brave Hero and was made a Martyr. Go Tzuyu !

Tzuyu’s situation was NOT RIGHT. She was 16 and on a tv show. She didn’t go out and buy the flag, surely. I feel so bad for her. She rose above big time.

The fact that men we're full on harassing female idols for allegedly supporting feminism just proves a point... It actually made me pretty mad that people had the audacity to hate on someone because they didn't like that their phone case was uplifting to women. Like, your life's gotta be pretty damn depressing if you're so fragile that you feel threatened by some girl's phone case... a PHONE case. It truly makes me wonder how those kinds of people manage to get through the day without having a meltdown

I love Sulli, and I always will... I wish if she could have changed her focus from those people who hates her.. To those who loved her..But unfortunately we can't get her back... I miss the way she laughed openly without hiding her smile.. If you ever feel down somehow.. Please consider thinking about the good times, and those people who loves you...

@JL-jg8tr

2 жыл бұрын

The people responsible know who they are. May they feel the guilt for a long, long time and learn from it.

@Kimtaehyung-le3nt

2 жыл бұрын

I wish I was able to support her ..while she was here with ..I came in k-pop very late. And when I know about her ..I cried 😭

It's sad how some people only see idols and kpop in general as all rainbows unicorns and happiness I feel like it's really toxic how kpop show everyone that idols are perfect human beings with perfect faces and smiles that are so happy with everything but in reality some of those people aren't even able to be themselves completely I personally think it ain't even worth it imagining how many idols and people in industry's mental health are ruined is just sad

No matter if you agree with someone thoughts or no and if that someone is doing the right thing or no, death threats is not really a solution, things like this should be taken as crimes, let the people fight for what they believe in

Imagine all these artists just left and started their own label lmao and more idols joined to make their own music and concepts.

@nocommonsense8950

2 жыл бұрын

GOT7 IS DOING THAT I THOUGHT

@felmargego2534

2 жыл бұрын

Psy actually is doing this.

The Shuhua situation was baffling. First of all, it was the graphics department at the tv station who posted the flag. Shuhua had nothing to do with that. Then CUBE up and apologize for something that even THEY didn't do. And to top matters, no one was asking for it, not even China (I don't think). So the whole thing is stupid layered on top of stupid covered by stupid.

@joh3028

2 жыл бұрын

people were upset by the taiwanese flag. even knetz criticized them for it. at least cube didn't make shuhua apologize in front of a camera like jyp made tzuyu do :( i think companies and idols do this so they won't get in trouble or lose support from china.

@GleeChan

2 жыл бұрын

@Wong LiZhen Yeah. Given someone gave Tzuyu that flag for that clip means she wasn't making a political statement. I mean, she didn't arrive at the shoot with the flag in her bag, that was the prop guy's fault. But SHE had to apologize for it, not the company who shot the segment. It's absurd to think that people actually believed that a 16 year old girl was trying to protest a political system when she (at that time) was trying to become an idol. Give me a break. Sometimes I think people over react to the point of insanity.

@khanhphaminh1175

2 жыл бұрын

@@joh3028 Knetz my ass. Korean don't really care about China or Taiwan. All the hates come from China for sure. Who's upset by the Taiwanese flag, and by the way could you at least capitalize the country name please? Everyone has the freedom to speak out their minds. You could agree or disagree, but you CAN'T force them from not saying what they believe in. And actually, Twice have nothing to do in China, because they don't have Chinese member.

@joh3028

2 жыл бұрын

@@khanhphaminh1175 cube wouldn't even release a statement if knetz didn't care. it's less about knetz caring about politics and more about just finding a reason to criticize an idol.

@khanhphaminh1175

2 жыл бұрын

@@joh3028 If you talk about CUBE, I'm even more disgusted. Just because of slanders, Soojin had to leave the group, but this company can't even give a word to protect its employees?

If company see idol as a human no one have to face these kind of things they only see idols as a toy our society really see woman weak k pop idols face really hard things and many of them passed away bcz of nastic comments i hope near future nothing will happen like that

What hurts the most about Tzuyu's situation is that even mainland Chinese media reported that the flag Tzuyu held was not a sign of disrespect to the mainland. It was all caused by mainland China netizens that don't even understand their own country.

@ghw.

2 жыл бұрын

Literally the central government's media (CCTV) admits that she did nothing wrong 😭

I hope a day will come where idols could be themselves and be happy . People just find ways to hate them for just thinking the way a human should . They will just help the pp struggling and get hate . Why do pp hate idols just for making minor mistakes ,being themselves ,proud of themselves or their nationality. All the smallest thing in Korea is such a big thing ,not not in international fans

@annorafelis6263

2 жыл бұрын

Idols not selling music itslef but the illusion that they love their fans only like a mindless robots. (See an American artist or other international singer they not have this problem because they selling is music not an illusion) Sorry for being frank and acting like a bitch but your hope will not come true because company/Idols wants fan to be obessed so they can earn more money.

@gwenmloveskpopcecmore

2 жыл бұрын

This is why Dawn and HyunA are paving the way for public dating

the thing about Taiwanese idols is crazy.

We need to stand up for these idols. Every voice matters, we can outman them.

Death threats is by far the worst thing someone could ever give to someone else just because they did something wrong doesn't mean you'll give them death threats immediately This society is absolutely sick

@blinkbling2448

2 жыл бұрын

and yet you throw these kind of threats around you all the time tae tae love, against idols and against stans who exposed you, always making fun of idols who arent with us anymore...and youre even so shameless to call society sick, when youre a serious problem in this society and one of the most disgusting losers and haters this world has ever seen

@jameshenrysmith8426

2 жыл бұрын

The Philippines loves women, has palm trees, beautiful beaches, uses memes, helps others, and even has colorful street candy! But the memes usually get out of hand.

@jameshenrysmith8426

2 жыл бұрын

But Thailand has ladyboys and sex bars!

@Shelly50214

2 жыл бұрын

@@jameshenrysmith8426 jealousy jealously jealousy

Change can start with a single step. Back in the 60s/70s there was a big push for women's rights and equality in the West. It started off small and eventually became a whole movement. Things have much improved for women since then, but it is not perfect and there is still a long way to go, but I hope K-pop idols can keep doing their thing and chip away and get change. The more they raise their voices the more they will be heard and it will be impossible to ignore them. Stay strong.

I’ve never really realized how dark k-pop is and how hard it is on idols until now. LGBTQ and personal belief issues in the industry should be addressed also. (P.S, rest easy Sulli and any other idol who went through the same)

I've been watching these in order to prepare myself for getting in the K-POP industry. I really appreciate how you're showing every side of the Kpop world! ♥️

She hit the nail on the head when she said they're creating living dolls.

Tzuyu is tiwanese not chinese 🙄🙄

@l0vet075

2 жыл бұрын

Taiwanesse is ethnic in china similar with shanghainesse or cantonesse.

@0_nini_0

2 жыл бұрын

@@l0vet075 ok but tzuyu's nationality is taiwanese. why tf does she need to apologize to chinese fans?

@sjbdowndodnjskdnsofn1263

2 жыл бұрын

Ethnic is not important thus she is PROUD OF being from TAİWAN no excuse bcz she is sad and when people r sad you can't make an excuse this is more heartbroken (btw ı know ı saw how she was sad and ı just wanted to say that ım not mean or smth if you got is wrong Don't got it from that way) also in my country thewe have the same problem when you say ethnic this is the most stupit think ever ,moon

few men really thinks that feminism means women are better than men or they hate men the real meaning of feminism is "TO GET EQUALITY WITHOUT GETTING JUDGED" that's it it doesn't mean that women hates them i mean male idols have a huge fan following in girls but female idols don't have huge fan following in boys 🤷‍♀️

watching survival shows definitely show the effects of toxic positivity. i'm hoping for change.

I am sick right now but I am really angry and burning up even more and i also feel sad for all idols

man being a musician is hard as hell , you got fans judging you, your management telling you what you can and can't do.

This will be one of the reasons we leave kpop because it's not right there is too much hate in this industry

The fact that they apologise for things which are not wrong is crazy :v

When you said that about the pads I remembered something that happened to me in Korea. I was at the mart in Lotte world and I needed pads (which are super expensive in Korea??? WHY???) So I just grabbed some and went to pay. The woman was adamant about giving me a bag and I was repeating that I don't need one :D She was so worried and i just didn't want a whole big ass plastic bag for 1 pack of pads. She shuffled under the counter and she got out a brown paper slip and was like "At least use this to put it inside" And I was like???Ok??I guess? :D It reminded me when I was in school and all of us used to hidee our pads as if they were dildos... Like chill there's nothing embarrassing, half the population has a period

Thank you for making this video, it's so disturbing to see what they have to go through. Hopefully things will change some day.

OML its SO triggering that they go through this

Tzyuzu is a victim. Because after the scandal. She don't speak that much in reality shows 🙁

It breaks my heart that many young queer idols cannot come out and be who they are. They have to cater towards the young, straight fanbase of the opposite sex and it truly disgusts me. Huge respect for dear Holland for being himself and doing what he wants as an openly gay idol, but poor guy did face a lot of hardships, like not being allowed to debut and having to create his own company, and having his music videos be R-rated. I hope we can change. I hope all queer idols will be able to live freely and comfortably with themselves and their sexualities. Love and peace always!

@gwenmloveskpopcecmore

Жыл бұрын

Yeah or u have Holland who did it but he gets so much hate

When you realise that something small can lead to big issues in sk and I'm not even talking about like dark jokes but like even having short hair can lead to hate

@zitariri3097

2 жыл бұрын

Bruh knetz like to cancel everything

I REMEMBER WHEN I WATCHED SIXTEEN , I WAS VERY SAD AND HORRIFIED TO SEE HOW THE SHOW WAS OBJECTING THEIR LOOKS AND EVERYTHING .LIKE SHOULDN'T YOU SEE THEIR TALENT AND HEART INSTEAD OF OTHER THINGS DIGUSTING

Tsuyu's video is so sad to watch. She was just 16

@bro-nu1bd

2 жыл бұрын

Ikr

@oggggg4729

2 жыл бұрын

And it's her country flag she is tiwanese not chinese

@l0vet075

2 жыл бұрын

@@oggggg4729 taiwan is china like guangdong, xinjiang, etc.

@oggggg4729

2 жыл бұрын

@@l0vet075 nana tiwan is independent country

Korean societal issues seems so shockingly horrible. People getting angry about somene simply defending a sexual abuse victim??? These people want those women to stay silent and continue being abused. What the actual hell. These idols including Sulli who continue to stand up for themselves are literal heroes.

It’s sad to see fans be shipping same sex idols yet react negatively when they either don’t get the ship they want or when the idols come out. I’m not saying it’s the same people that do that, but there are people in the fanbase that act like the latter, and it’s scary.

@nicoleatieno3083

4 ай бұрын

Ikr,like the hypocrisy😮😮

This is a great video!! Good job lovelies!!!

Like why koreans hate feminists?? Huh? Sk was my dream place to go but now im thinking twice like should i go or nah? Im scared, if i do anything wrong there theyll judge me no matter what.. 😔 like let those girls/boys breath for gods sake💀

@adettessubs444

2 жыл бұрын

Just don't be one of the toxic ones and respect men too. It's gonna be ok.

@ardhra7633

2 жыл бұрын

@@adettessubs444 💜

@zitariri3097

2 жыл бұрын

@@adettessubs444 if a men are toxic there no reason to respect

@zitariri3097

2 жыл бұрын

Well if u are plan to go there just remember that korea is nothing likr kdrama and kpop not magical place especially for foreigners or women and u may face some racism there and u have to follow their ideal beauty standard to fit in society

@adettessubs444

2 жыл бұрын

@@zitariri3097 ofc. Goes for both genders

I hope idols can raise their voice in the future Like San from Ateez being a feminist surprised me, I mean I knew he was an amazing person but still, it was so nice of him to talk about it He's getting attacked.. that's true but a lot of people are impressed and support him I hope we can see a lot more feminist and lgbtq movements in the industry❤

I'm so proud of the people who stand for themselves and others.

I love how BTS use their voice regarding BLM and Asian Hate on their massive platform Twitter and how SUGA openly supports LGBTQ! They are doing the right thing and I’m so proud of them!

@Neha_the_great_sharma

2 жыл бұрын

Their company allowed them and they are the biggest stars on the planet right now. I feel pity for those who cannot give their opinions.

@KrishaTrisal

2 жыл бұрын

@@Neha_the_great_sharma some idols are literally puppets of their company… It’s like they don’t have any rights, and that’s so sad.

@strawtaerries5220

2 жыл бұрын

Actually can you tell me what's LGBTQ? 🙂

@KrishaTrisal

2 жыл бұрын

@@strawtaerries5220 Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender.” The Q can stand for “questioning” -- as in still exploring one's sexuality -- or “queer,” or sometimes both.

@pranjalbali8913

2 жыл бұрын

and jimin supports femenisam

That Koreans, or Asians in general, do not have the same vision of life and society as Westerners does not mean that they are "behind", that is to want to impose on them postmodern visions of what "progress" is.

@StarlightBibi

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! We don’t need to follow the west because they’re “right” ( which is not true ) and the rest of the world according to them is “wrong”. I swear these westerners still have colonizers mentality. They can’t leave others live however they want

@matayanacona

2 жыл бұрын

@@StarlightBibi Exactly, in fact I am from the West, and I clearly perceive that we are the ones who are in frank decline here, while the societies of Asia Pacific progress in an orderly and consistent manner... that there they do not let the postmodern decadence that overwhelms the West today infiltrate you too.

@StarlightBibi

2 жыл бұрын

@@matayanacona Sorry, if I generalized. Glad that there’re people like you 🤍

I feel that it's not about blocking each other but more about sharing and seeing our views from another lens. Our personalities and thoughts give us individuality and uniqueness. We should at least respect an opinion or walk away. So we're all special, and without our differences, the world wouldn't be as unique. So there's no point in fighting...LET'S RESPECT EACH OTHER!!!!💖💖💖

I don't understand what's wrong with feminism????

@kskskksks3045

2 жыл бұрын

Toxic men can't see women to be as equal as them

@superfan364

2 жыл бұрын

@@kskskksks3045 or men with very fragile egos

@aayushmitra121

2 жыл бұрын

There isn't anything wrong with feminism. 99.99% of feminists are feminists for the correct reason, they want equality for men and women. However there are obviously going to be a small amount of crazy people with any movement, who take it too far. This very small amount of feminists say "All Men are evil". This is very unfortunate because that is not what feminism is, but because those small amount of people say that, they misrepresent feminism to be something it is not. This causes many men to misunderstand what feminism is, and proceed to be anti-feminist. I think this is very unfortunate because there is actually nothing wrong with feminism, men and women being equal.

@khanhphaminh1175

2 жыл бұрын

@@aayushmitra121 really dude? Where are you from? Need me to share with you some videos of Candace Owens or Ben Shapiro?

@n.luv555

2 жыл бұрын

@@khanhphaminh1175 bruh there are actual feminists like that lmao

About Taiwan... wait guys, it's not a simple question at all. I will support completely Taiwan if it will ask for an independence status supported by the mass majority of Taiwanese. But it's not the case. 1) even in Taiwan people are divided about that, of course there are people asking for independence, but there are others that want just autonomy as province and even people that want reunification. 2) that's because technically the official name of Taiwan is ROC. Republic of China. Since it claims itself as the true and legitimate state of China, never totally defeated by the communist party. 3) so technically even now they are not at all claiming the independence since it will automatically give the authority and the victory of the war to the popular republic of China. 4) even USA declared that there is only one China. So, we have a problem, but it's not black and white. And whatever Shuhua think about that is ok, but an tv kpop show probably should avoid to open the question. Maybe an historian tv program will be better. PS. The flag and the legal constitution of ROC was the originally one of China, so it's older than the actual Chinese flag and indeed can be interpreted as claim on all China.

@KyrieRuwachHosanna

2 жыл бұрын

To be more precise, Taiwan was originally the "real China" but they lost and CCP took over. To be considered sovereign is not by personal choice. It is by agreement from the rest of the world. You can claim the moon is yours, but if other countries do not agree to it, you can't do anything (unless you block them by force). In Taiwan's case, US has decided to consider CCP as the "real China" because they wanted to do business with them. Its allies then follow suit. Also, it is important to note that the majority of Taiwanese want independence. The party that has won the elections is pro independence. The main problem is that they are unable to defend themselves, and much of the world still wants to earn money from China rather than give up the money for another country. Therefore, they need to settle for status quo so that they don't anger China to the point of an invasion. Look what happened with Hong Kong. 1 country 2 systems? You really believe that China stuck with the agreement for 50 years when Britain gave Hong Kong back? The real Hong Kong is gone, and nobody came to Hong Kong's defense. Taiwan is worried that the same might happen to them.

@l0vet075

2 жыл бұрын

@@KyrieRuwachHosanna CCP took over? LOL. do you know history of taiwan, hongkong and macau? They part of china. Do you know why are they devided now? Because of white colonialism. Have you ever seen pasport cover of taiwan? It is written 'part of China' oh wait their name is chinesse also Mr. Chow not even mr.kim jung in or mr honda.

@Bruzmonetizescontents

2 жыл бұрын

@@l0vet075 Looks like someone’s history failed 👀

@KyrieRuwachHosanna

2 жыл бұрын

@@l0vet075 I will humour you just once but your claims are red herrings: If you want to talk about origins, then a lot of places will belong to someone else. It is irrelevant because wars are fought, and countries (or lands) are won and lost. Just because it originally belonged to someone doesn't mean that it should belong to someone now. This is like saying you sold your iPhone to someone else, but since it originally belonged to to, you should get it back. The only reason why Taiwan gives in to China in certain places because Taiwan is unable to defend itself from a full scale invasion by China. Plus it is uncertain if the US will come to its defence. But if you have been following the news, a couple of years ago, Taiwan redesigned its passport to show its defiance to China. As for names, I cannot help but feel that this is indeed quite a childish claim. This is like saying, "My name is Aaron so nobody should have the same name as me." It also reminded me of a video where an Asian American was confronted and bullied saying that he wasn't American enough. All he did was raised up his t-shirt and showed the horrifying combat scars that he got through his service in the military. I'd dare say at that point in time, the entire room agreed that he was definitely American enough. Your race or name does not determine your identity.

@rhynzard

2 жыл бұрын

@@KyrieRuwachHosanna anyway my point is that Taiwan actually IS independent from China de facto. Remaining in the Shuhua controversy, the problem is the flag. A flag of Taiwan nation cannot be the same of the republican pre war China, for the same historical reason why the Nazi flag is no more the German one. They know that.

not WOMEN being trashed and publicly condemned and insulted for standing up for WOMEN’S rights and one another. This is what happens when you’re aware of these issues in a 100% Misogynistic country. so disappointing and disgusting that as women we are expected to be quiet and just follow what the misogynists (majority of them being the people who run these countries) say. Imagine how even more frustrating this is as a female idol, as if idols aren’t scrutinized for literally anything.

That video of Tzuyu is still there💔

jonghyun and sulli will always be in my heart 🥺

6:34 clearly some men have big egos 🙄

I am happy that MAMAMOO openly support LGBTQ and hwasa not wearing bra 💚

Tzuyu's apology video shatters my heart 🥺

This video was so interesting, love it

almost 200k subs! Keep it up, girl!

People are so hateful it’s scary

Knetz are problematic af

I have watched all videos of yours and this one was shock to me 😰

I hope things get better quick

The fact that netizens use "promoting feminism" as an accusation basis shows just where we are at as a society. Men in the west and in the east both think they are entitled to women's bodies and rights, it's horrible. The more time I spent on media outlets, the more demoralizing it feels to know that, en masse, this toxic behaviour is normalized.

as international fans, we are a total part of the revolution.

You have to stand up. Raise your head high and fight for the cause that change people's lives. If you can't do that there is no use of being a public figure and being a human. Life is lived only once so why can't you live a life that is worth... You might earn wealth, name and fame but what is the use if you can't put it into right causes. I am fan of many kpop groups. I don't actually have a specific group which I s my favorite. I listen to every genre of korean music. But when I hear how tough life and much effort they put in, I honestly feel for them.

I hope you will make more videos like this one

My brain explodes by the fact these girls get so much hate to the point they themselves don't even wanna carry on anymore, bc they r reading a book about REAL LIFE THINGS. For having a phone case with "girls can do anything", this just shows how mentally immature these men are(and women but mostly men). Like fr they think they're so entitled to bully these kpop girls/boys. My heart is out for each and everyone of em. And also my hearts out for the men n women who support eachother n who are mature about these situations, being an asshole isn't gonna make people love you. BE URSELF!!!

Sullis death will always make my blood boil I avoid talking about her or watching anything with her because I will legit sob her death really hit me and it’s sad that netizens are so harsh and there a bunch of assholes there so sensitive and act all mighty there the cause Sulli died she couldn’t take it anymore they were bullying her to much and nothing was done

Thank you I am gonna read it.

tzuyu change so much after that stupid incident she lost confident,she became silent, she's not wide smile on variety show she deserves better