Just an update to this, after this video got posted I read that the NRK for Norway have confirmed that they WILL take part in Eurovision 2025 now that the EBU have issued out this statement. Though they do stress that there are further things that they wish to be addressed and worked on, but are seeming more positive now than before!

To me this feels like a ‘we aren’t ready to give specifics yet, but need to say something’ message

@nou_9033

4 күн бұрын

So many words yet nothing has been said...

The creation of an ESC Director role is an effective demotion for Österdahl. Some of his responsibilities have been taken away, he will have less political power, and he now has someone checking his work. From a people management perspective, this is the sort of thing you do when you want someone to exit themselves from the building.

@markusolofzon

4 күн бұрын

It’s more than they are creating this new role to share the responsibilities between two directors. Anyone who thinks Österdahl are in some way solely responsible clearly have absolutely no idea how the organization works.

People say that Joost is actually trolling us all and that he really got hurt because of the qualification to the point he went back to therapy. Idk man, this is so confusing. At least let's hope Joost is going to be fine again ❤

I am not confident that the EBU has learnt anything and I want them to publish the review in full as I definitely want to read it for myself

There's only one way I read the messaging from the EBU at the moment: 1) We know this may happen again and we cannot have the responsibility be on one plate, so we've invented another role to split the responsibility for if it happens again. Considering Österdahl was the only one carrying the responsibility, we understand what he tried to do and defend his overseeing of the decisions made in 2024. 2) We will consult the *participating broadcasters* whether they want a certain country in or not. We can safeguard Israel's 'non-political' participation in this case, since only Iceland was discussing Israel's participation before the contest and was the only one to potentially act on it. Note the focus on the word *agreed* list of participants: this indicates that they are still behind their decision to include Israel and inherently holds that all other *participating broadcasters* did the same. 3) We will simplify the rules and code of conduct and make it entirely unambiguous, so we can actually hold artists accountable. Not only that, we will transfer this accountability to the delegations proper: if the artist does something that is *according to us* not in line with the rules or code of conduct, we have the freedom to punish the entire delegation, as the delegation will not have reeled in their artist. It is basically another way of saying: we acknowledge that others tried to ruin our party, and the responsibility is fully theirs. We will just make it unambiguous now with our new setup. It is actually rather disappointing, because in practice it means that artists and delegations will feel even more scrutiny as we move ahead.

@user-kf7oo5lt7r

3 күн бұрын

What the E.B.U. is telling us in their statement is that NOTING will cnange. 😂 The bobo's who rule are so sad and incompetent

The Netherlands has been there from the start of this annual contest, as one of the first 7 countries together with Switzerland, Belgium, Germany, France, Luxembourg and Italy. As a Dutch person it would be sad to not have an Eurovision song contest participant from my country next year since it's good enteretainment. I grew up With this show every year and watched it with my parents when i was a kid. It was a yearly tradition for me to watch this event. But this year left me with mixed feelings. The way this year went damaged the support of this country to the event a lot, and to make that up, the eurovision song contest needs to do more than these statements. I can totally understand and support Avrotros, in their decision whatever they chose to do next year. These changes to me feel more like a way to get a lightening rod for the backlash if a bad descision is made, so the persons who made it don't get the blame but the new director gets the backlash instead. But lets see how this plays out... Switzerland is a great country and i hope they get the room to fix things.

@maltwhiskey1424

4 күн бұрын

I am Dutch too .. and this whole statement from the EBU is just completely BS and the people responsible for Joost's disqualification remain untouched and can continue their practices with impunity (Osterdahl). I think that the majority of the Dutch had enough of ESC/EBU and as long as no heads roll in EBU we should stay away !!

@-ANDY.

4 күн бұрын

And despite all of that time the Netherlands still got treated like trash. The possibility of getting a little backlash was enough for them to throw the Netherlands under the bus. To keep participating is like Staying with your abuser. They feel like they successfully got away with things and the chance of repetition increases.

@alxp-zd1zj

4 күн бұрын

If they participate then the Dutch are throwing their own artists under the bus as well. Makes me think of that art work where the crow on the top shits on the ones below and all of them shit on the strange birds on the bottom.

@petarristovski8530

3 күн бұрын

Then send some artis who will not make a fool of him self i mean what was that ? No normal singer will aprove him as a artist

@petarristovski8530

3 күн бұрын

​@@-ANDY.Who was abusing them i didn't see anything on camera on that videos filmdet behind the stage all artis have fun no one was abuse

If you read carefully this doesn't solve any of the issues, All they did was move the responsibility for their own decisions onto other people. They put a lackey between the audience an Martin, They specified that only an approved list of countries is allowed to complain, And they prevented the higher ups from being held responsible for artists' safety.

I want to see that review/investigation. Because this sounds a lot like nothing said in a lot of words. It doesnt actually adress any concrete problems that ocuurred.

It's your typical corporate say-nothing statement

Thank you for translating the statement into English. I must have read through it about five times the other day and still thought that it must have been written by Gus Hedges from Drop the Dead Donkey.

Shame that Lugano is too small to hold the 70th edition

@AdamMartyn

4 күн бұрын

It would have been nice!

@LiamHughes-sy7zl

4 күн бұрын

@@AdamMartynyeh I agree I think we will choose and Russia r still banned until the war there and in Ukraine between obviously and the rest we can obviously choose also choose Australia 1st and never again cause they’re not part of Europe so yeh

@liamtornqvist3680

4 күн бұрын

Next year is the 69th edition, since the 2020-edition was cancelled

@jonjohnson2844

4 күн бұрын

@@liamtornqvist3680 Nice

@tonyttt31

4 күн бұрын

​@@LiamHughes-sy7zlwhat do you mean by choose?

Is it me or have they've just added more committees with more people that will end up changing very little 😮.... There has always been a culture of bullying which unfortunately hasn't been addressed 😢😢. Interesting update, thanks Adam ❤

With all due respect, to allow a delegation from a warring nation to cause trouble and yet be protected to the level the EBU did in Malmö, was the thing that brought the most disrepute to the ESC. The disqualification of the Netherlands just emphasized the double standard during the event and truly makes the management the foremost party to blame for said disrepute.

Been loving these constant Eurovision uploads that have being going at a fast pace. Keep it up.👍👏👏

I read this as the EBU has its fingers crossed we will all forget 2024, I’m not forgetting it and right now I’m not watching or taking part as a fan, unless we get apologies for clearly wrong decisions then I’m out for good. The Netherlands should be give a free ridevyobthebginsl and an apology, the EBU should apologise for not protect Joist, they agreed no filming directly after his performance, so why wasn’t the woman who broke the agreement multiple times, get the sack before the final time she did it and caused Joost reaction ? Nothing in the statement about government’s buying adverts to target people not even watching the ESC to vote for their act. I think the statement is weak and it doing the least it can to appear like it is listening but it’s not. Martin Osterdahl needs to go and this statement ignores that. Very disappointed about this they really are Not understanding the strength of feeling that the EBU is completely out of touch.

@petarristovski8530

3 күн бұрын

He was filmdet even he not liked and that's call buling ? Are okey west Europe ? I thing you are not all of you if someone its filmed against his aprove that's call paparazi

@b5bobby

3 күн бұрын

@@petarristovski8530 when you have a medically recognised condition, that you inform the EBU of and the EBU agrees not to film you directly after a live performance, so he was recorded during his performance and he had agreed to go straight to a press conference so the only time he asked not to be filmed was the 10-15 minutes between coming off stage and his getting do the press conference and this was agreed to, then the only person guilty is the person filming him who carried on despite knowing it broke the express agreement. What the point of going to the trouble of explaining and getting agreement from EBU if the break their word?

@petarristovski8530

3 күн бұрын

@@b5bobby that's okey but dose not mean that you react do bad on that if i was him i wil say fuck of women and torn on no be bad with it and if you have condition then don't participate on public evet im i right ?

Martin needs to go

Just to say, in organisational terms, this is a statement of intent to restructure, which will take place during the year. I hope they do it

Although I'm relieved they didn't use Martin as a scapegoat, fire him and leave everyone else unscathed. It's all well and good to announce new roles but it's all about who fills them. Kind of funny they've invented 5 new jobs just so they can say they didn't demote Martin. But yeah despite a corporate shakeup I don't really see how this report addresses anything really. But time will tell. I know that this is just a first step and artists including Bambie Thug are also involved in these investigations. This is the problem that we won't know how effective this actually is until May 2025.

all this just makes me super sad, I dont whant any country to leave (include mine), its hard to enjoy eurovision now with all these thoughts in my head, if my country dose leave eurovision idk if I will still be able to enjoy the contest anymore, its a part of the fun seeing your country qualify and do well in the final, as a latvian I waited many years to finaly see us qualify, and now possibly I will never see it again

@hellybelly5481

4 күн бұрын

I hope Latvia will stay. You had a great song and a sweet guy as performer!

I feel like 90% of the controversies wouldn't have happen if EBU had decided not to let Israel take part in this year's contest. Also a small number of controversies wouldn't have happen if Israel didn't use the contest to spread propaganda which did them more harm than good.

I'm working on a similar video of my own and we have some crossover and some differences of opinion. The investigation was done by Pernille Gaardbo brw. And maybe you've already seen by now, but Norway have confirmed for 2025. Netherlands are still waiting but sounding more positive.

@AdamMartyn

4 күн бұрын

Literally saw Norway are definitely in after the video went out 😂😂

Will the king like this royal worthy comment?

We only have to look at the public vote to see how many ‘fans’ and broadcasters are out of touch. If any countries should be banned, it’s the songs that the public clearly despised. As it’s a song contest, that’s the only business decision required. There were also clear political statements by Ireland, Spain, and the UK, which were clearly divisive, but allowed unabated , so it all balanced out in the end. Time to move on.

How come Ukraine still has enough money to partake in EBU??

I still want to believe that I still am a fan of Eurovision. I didn't watch this year because of Israel still being there and I really don't want to abstain from watching it again because of them or any other active conflictor country that made things go too far not being ousted. Even the Portuguese public media, RTP, had complained about Israel harassing Iolanda, this year's Portuguese artist. It should NOT go on like this, definitely!

@RandomNumberr89

4 күн бұрын

Whats people's problem with Israel? If Hamas were participating I'd get it, but Israel? Go to Israel and find out the truth.

@user-id5er4hz8d

4 күн бұрын

@@RandomNumberr89I don’t know why you are asking this question after everything that has happened since October.

@nelo7149

4 күн бұрын

@@RandomNumberr89 I get it. You hate Hamas with all your guts. I do too. It was not, however, what I was saying. Even with all my well deserved hatred for terrorist and fundamentalist groups in general, I cannot accept what the government, not the people, of Israel opted to do. If they were just doing classic and usual war stuff, I would not mind much (take Ukraine as an example), but the government of Israel clearly rejects that. They want bloodshed, genocide, ecocide and all things horrible for Palestinians. Do NOT mix things up next, please.

@famemosterrrrr

4 күн бұрын

I agree with you but for sooooo many years and even decades that Israel is doing awful things to Palestine and you were watching Eurovision just fine? Now that you saw blood and pain in front of your eyes you realized that Israel isn’t a nice country? What about Azerbaijan? Why no one cares for them bothering Armenia but no one even cares to call them out

@nelo7149

4 күн бұрын

@@famemosterrrrr yeah... I dig a good diverse song and performance, really... That is why I watched Eurovision and I still want to do so. And, no, I knew what was going on before but I knew that, when it would get to this point that we are talking of, or they would not participate by some sort of grounds or I would stop watching and maybe come back some time later. It got to this. I do not want to see Eurovision end because of this but if it so happens, at least we all know the cause.

First!

Österdahl needs to go and the EBU needs to accept that they are responsible for the mess rather than pushing the responsibility onto delegations. I don't even care if he's really the one to blame for the "shame of Malmo" or not, but he's the executive manager and it all happened under his command. If EBU insists on keeping him around, they are basically saying that all was fine and that they are just doing a bit cosmetics.

Adam, I respectfully diagree that the statement issued by the European Broadcasting Union (EBU) should have gotten rid of any unease. People nowadays due to the speed of recieving texts and 5G broardband, fast food and fast living seem to think that things happen in their precieved time frame, not in real time. Demanding to know what's what NOW! (akin to a stampy footed three year old toddler having a temper tantrum). Too many people hiding behind a screen to touch type their bigotry and bile; their principals, which to their egotistical minds, are your ethics; expecting the EBU to dance to their tune and say 'how high' when they have dictated them to 'jump'. Enough already! These meetings have to take place before a new plan of action is put in place when it comes to the future of the 'Eurovision Song Contest'. Only then can the public, including the fans have their ignorance informed. I think isn't I know. Have patience people, and, hopefully, the 'Eurovision Song Contest' will be a safer and more inclusive place for all who can afford to compete. With everyone playing their part for this to become and remain a reality, this wonderful competiton will keep going from strength to strength. 🦋☀️🧡

Norway Confirms Participation in Eurovision 2025😍

It's probably one of the worst cases of self reflection ever.

This is not the EBOO “independent” answer I expected, it’s even worse: instead of one Martin Osterdahl we get two!

Did they drop Morrocan Oil as a sponsor?

@hellybelly5481

4 күн бұрын

No they didn’t

@Richardsonprincess00

4 күн бұрын

If Israel is banned from ESC, Morrocan Oil will drop as a sponsor, cause of the scandal caused the Morrocan Oil made in Israel.

@DenisHavlikVienna

2 күн бұрын

Yup, another faux pas. I'm not watching the EBU 2025. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Instead, there should be fewer participants to make it more manageable, there are far too many participants. A more compact esc is much better, a maximum of 25 countries.

14:57 But how would they have done that? A lot of the big questions people have are ones that can't be answered or that don't have satisfying answers.

My unhumble opinion on the statements: 1) Instead of "Osterdahl going, we are going to trench up with an extra person to protect our company. 2) Instead of taking real action to prevent bad events, we are going to 'tut tut' people behind the scenes not being rude, nasty, intimidate and don't care about our own personnel filming people behind the scenes. 3) Instead of giving media more space and real comment about what we are doing, we are going to trench up journalists to our own ideas of media. If I see this, it's a classic defense strategy of companies being afraid of the wrong things happening again by bolstering themselves, instead of bolstering the event. Again they are doing the wrong thing. They learned nothing. I get a bit of GDR vibes with this company if I see this. More bolstering, more repression. You destroy a system with that.

No matter of the changes i think most of us can agree that the ebu flopped up this year. Its too late for them.

So, I'm Dutch. And as much as I love Joost, his actions are just... so strange. The song he dropped right after the ESC was kind of a middle finger towards the ESC. He said things like "I would never ever compete again". But the last few weeks he said things like "I am willing to participate again next year" and even said "Belgium, I am willing to participate for your country". Also I think a week after ESC there had been an interview with one of Joost's best friends who was the producer for the Europapa clip. This friend said that Joost is an absolute menace to work with and had cussed out executive producers and others on the set multiple times. These are just a few of the things that I've seen across my social media feed the last few weeks and honestly, after all that info... I just feel conflicted. From what we know this same camera woman had filmed Joost atleast twice while it had been clearly stated to not do that, but at the same time, considering he is apparently not that nice of a person doesn't help his case. There have been speculations that Joost is autistic. If that is the case, I want to say, as a fellow autistic person, you are giving us a bad name too. Not sure if this is true, like I said these are merely speculations but... Long story short: there is a lot we still don't know and I'm not sure if we will ever know. What I do know is that this year was a complete shitshow for ESC. Not only because of the disqualification, but also the fact that Israel was allowed to participate. Honestly, I think no country in war with another country should be allowed to participate. Even though I stand with Ukraine, I do not find it fair they are allowed to participate either.

@ivaneurope

3 күн бұрын

Honestly, I used to feel sorry for Joost after getting DQ'ed due to the EBU not giving us enough details on the matter. But now, seeing that he may be a really unhinged person and difficult to work with even by his closest friends - that doesn't paint Joost in a good light for me. In fact I can see many turning their backs on him if he keeps going like that - it will only hurt his own reputation with these actions, not EBU's. And it will also paint AVROTROS in a negative way considering they went above and beyond defending him and how his disqualification was not OK and even had refused to hand out the jury results themselves (they let Martin Österdahl do it for them while drowned in a sea of boos and the Dutch commentator chimed in by saying 'Eat your heart out') - how would they feel if the artist they were defending so bad is spitting in their faces?

@DUSKvsDAWN

3 күн бұрын

@@ivaneurope I do have to say that I think that the disqualification was maybe a bit too much for what happened (with the details that we know for now, like the camera woman being the first to break the rules in place, like, why was she not sanctioned?). But Joost acting so unhinged and unpredictable after the ESC indeed does put him in a very bad spot. I used to support him all the way after the disqualification, but with all the news we got the weeks after the incident, I'm not sure if I even can anymore. and I also agree with you that AVROTROS has put themselves in a difficult position as well. But to be fair, the first statement was put out before all of us knew what we know now.

@ivaneurope

3 күн бұрын

@@DUSKvsDAWN His attitude in general after the DQ seems to change on a whim. One day he curses the EBU and the contest and releases what can basically be decribed as an EBU diss track (Luchtbaloon is basically littered with EBU/ESC references), but on the next he adds "Eurovision 2025" on his social media and on the day after that say "Screw the Dutch. Belgium, I'm availlable - call me". And on the 4th day he could say that he'd rather represent San Marino instead and stuff. We receive mixed signals from him - he needs to finally make up his mind. He can't say "Actually, I plan to perform at Eurovision 2025" weeks after writing a song dissing the EBU. It's like quitting your job after cursing your boss and then say 'Actually, I take that back - can I return?' I don't know man, if he goes on like that he'll lose the respect of many people, including myself. I do hope that he eventually be in a right state of mind.

@DUSKvsDAWN

2 күн бұрын

@@ivaneurope I have no idea what's going on in his mind, but honestly I sigh the biggest of sighs when I see him in my social feed lately and say to myself "not again with this bullshit". That can't possibly be a good sign for him, when I was such a big fan of him before.

I gave up watching Eurovision Song Contest in about 1998. Although I did catch some of the Chinese expurgated version in 2018 on Mango TV

The israeli delegation had absolutely no reason to bully others either

@b5bobby

4 күн бұрын

It shouldn’t have a reason but it didn’t stop them doing so, there are multiple account of Israeli delegation doing exactly that from very credible sources and video evidence of the writer of the Israeli song in particular deliberately doing all he could to try and get a response from other delegations members so he could then complain about them. The Israeli broadcaster allowed foul mouth attacks on other artists to be aired on Israeli tv. So yes Israel should not have a reason to bully but it is not in doubt that they actually did so multiple times to multiple countries delegation, multiple social media outlets, and multiple artists. What makes this so bad was the EBU ignoring those complaints and yet it cracked down on thing no one with a right mind would have minded like the council of Europe flags and any mention of a ceasefire, cultural symbols even if the person came from the culture the symbol was from, like the previous Swedish artist with a Palestinian father being banned from having a gift from his father on his person.

@Wailmur

4 күн бұрын

@@b5bobby They should've been thankful for not being banned instead

@WeShallOvercome_

Күн бұрын

Where’s the evidence for all this bullying, please?

@b5bobby

Күн бұрын

@@WeShallOvercome_ well live on Israeli television the presenter abuses the Irish artist ! There a KZread article by ESCGave (just one of several you tubers who catalogue Israeli abuse) who details his personal abuse and intimidation by Israel his attempts to report it and the EBU’s lack of response. The Dutch puts up video of one of there delegation being followed and goaded about Joost’s suspension by the Israeli song writer , The winner of the contest made statement hoping tgecEBU would learn from the mistakes of this years contest and thevEBU’s attitude and one sided implementation of it’s non political rules. There are countless video of Israelis abusing anyone who called for a ceasefire , but I’ve found that even if I showed you a video of the Israeli prime minister admitting he want to kill every Palestinian they will always be an Israeli tool ready to pretend the exact opposite.

I wonder WHEN they will SCRATCH the "big 5" . That's one thing that has bothered me for ever!!! It's an unfair "buy-yourself-a-final-place" thing THAT HAS TO GO! ! ! !

@davidkgame

4 күн бұрын

It's not a "Buy yourself a final place" it's the fact that those countries' broadcasters pay a significant amount more into the EBU each year than all the others which qualifies them to skip the semis. However if the Big 5 were to be made to qualify then the previous year's winner should too in order to make a completely level playing field.

@Perisa79

4 күн бұрын

@@davidkgame Just like I said, BUY themselves into the final... The winner is a different thing. He/she actually DID something, and won the competition. So thats nothing strange that the winner goes to the final. And Im sure you think the same way if your honest..

@davidkgame

4 күн бұрын

@@Perisa79 But they're not buying their way into the final - if they didn't contribute the amounts they did, then the production cost to the other entrants would be magnitudes higher. The pass into the final is a recognition of their contribution. If you'd rather UK, France, Spain, Italy and Germany paid the same as, say, San Marino towards the EBU, or all countries have a fixed subscription fee to the EBU and all pay the same amount regardless of their size/GDP, then sure, make all countries qualify for the final.

@Chickenbreadlp

4 күн бұрын

It's not really a "buy yourself a final place", it's moreso that it didn't used to exist (back when the EBU essentially decided which songs participate before the Semi-Finals), and one year Germany didn't qualify. They feared that their largest revenue streams may turn their back on the EBU because they can't participate. This just stuck around into the Semi-Finals and I guess no one bothered to change it. As a German myself, I absolutely hate how we get into the grand final, as it gives 0 incentive to our broadcaster to actually send any good artists...

@dizzydevil547

4 күн бұрын

whithout the cash the big 5 put in Eurovision probably wouldnt be able to be put on as that massive shortfall in funding the ESC would fall back onto every other country that takes part !the big 5 pay the most money into the event and as it has grown over the years with the amount of countries taking part and it going from (as in the 60s to the 90s) from a small studio then theaters to filling out massive arenas form the 2000s onwards who do you think foots most of the bill for that ..the big 5! and i agree with what Chickenbreadlp says ...its the same for us in the UK been abismal at eurovision for years apart from when we sent Sam Ryder and he knocked it out the ball park coming 2nd in 2022 .. Plus as Usual we ended up hosting on behalf of Ukrain in 2023 ( we have hosted 9 times and NOT all through wins we only won 5 times in the history of ESC and in 1969 it was the famous 4 way tie and the netherlands hosted ) The United Kingdom stepped in and hosted the contest for the Netherlands in 1960, France in 1963, Monaco in 1972 and Luxembourg in 1974 due to the winning countries' financial and capacity issues. On four occasions (1968, 1977, 1982 and 1998) the UK was given the right to host as a result of a victory. The BBC offered to joint host the 1995 contest in Belfast, Northern Ireland with Irish broadcaster RTÉ, but ultimately RTÉ decided to stage the event solo. The UK hosted the contest for a ninth time in 2023, after the 2022 winner Ukraine was unable to meet the demands of hosting the event due to security concerns caused by the Russian invasion of the country.

boo ebu..some things should have done a long time ago..and no specific anwers are given they blame the countries..and next year ..what will it be?

To the question in an interview with Swedish radio, that if Joost would apply for participation in 2025, EBU boss Jean-Philip De Tender said “…..he seen no reason why Joost would be excluded” That’s a strange statement to say the least. Especially given the fact that the (court) investigation hasn’t yet been completed!!!

@vulc1

4 күн бұрын

Your comment is strange to say the least. In the free world we are familiar with something called a presumption of innocence.

@SofiaMelander

4 күн бұрын

Ironic, in that case they shouldn't have excluded him this year...

@hellybelly5481

4 күн бұрын

@@vulc1 that’s exactly my point! So, if they justify disqualification before proven guilty and now, even before the court decided if there will be a case or not, it’s strange for EBU to say there is no reason to exclude Joost for 2025! I would think that implicates they acknowledge they made a mistake in the fist place

I still think Martin Österdahl should be fired. Under his supervision the song contest became a mess

They need the voting the same as eurovison junior for the adults we need israel out and make the eurovison moor fair I don't like sponsoring to as one is Moroccan oil a bueaty company from Israel this should be stoped

It's a weak statement without any self reflection

Hearing this statement gave me huge "We're gonna do our best to make sure you guys won't make the same mistakes again." Absolutely zero recognition that they've made mistakes, that they've failed the people that were counting on them. Instead they're gaslighting the delegations, artists and even the audience. Wanting to bring a 'show that's appealing for a broad audience of all ages' and 'holding up the ESC values' at this point is so vague I am inclined to even interpret it more like 'we WILL make sure that next year we have the rules in place that allows us to get rid of your non-binary flags'.

One of the main issues for me is the sponsorship of the contest. With 'Morrocan Oil' having been the main sponsor for the last three years, we have to question the fairness of Israel's treatment by the EBU. If we'd had a Russian sponsor, would Russia have been allowed to compete in 2022? It seems unfair that a company sponsoring the contest *may* give that company's country some advantage. Maybe we need a company from the host country to sponsor the event each year. I personally feel bad about watching the contest again while it's being sponsored by Morrocan Oil and I have a feeling that was the main reason why Israel were treated differently this year to how Russia was treated in 2022. Money talks and money decides, too. I'm crossing my fingers for ESC in 2025 🤞

Ebu will survive only if it removes any political or other position, no extreme politics i.e russia ukraine israel etc even the gay expression. Pure music,

I feel like Israel shouldn't be invited back. Not because of anything political, but just for the sheer safety of the participants and singers from inevitable protestors regardless

@WeShallOvercome_

Күн бұрын

You capitulate to extremists if you want to, but Europe definitely needs to show it has a backbone.

"heightened security" tfw they literally already had fucking rooftop SNIPERS in malmo this year yikes from me dawg how many more guns do they need until it becomes a "time to find out which city becomes a police state for a week this year :))))))))"

Tv

The whole harassment thing with Israel isn't really helped with them causing their own issues toward Gaza and Palestine in recent times (even MORE not helped by a lot of people believing they're the war victims, despite the genocide being caused). Yes, their mixed reception to being a part of the event WAS acknowledged on the BBC live broadcast, but I doubt anything was made of it.

@RandomNumberr89

4 күн бұрын

October 7th, Also people could move from Gaza to Israel before the war, they were able to work in Israel, this was no occupation rather the opposite. Search it up or visit before you make your argument.

@nadinejamila1112

4 күн бұрын

@@RandomNumberr89 you must be a bot because this comment is hardly coherent, but give it up, noone outside of "Israel" is believing your lies anymore unless they're on your payroll :)

@alftuvik3820

4 күн бұрын

@@RandomNumberr89 It's difficult for a Palestinian to get a work permit in Israel, a very small amount of people managed to get it, most why try does not get accepted. It's heavily controlled who could cross the border at all. Even if they want to go to the West Bank, they were very unlikely for Israel to allow them to travel through Israel to get there. Sometimes, not always, but sometimes they would allow people to leave Gaza for essential life saving medical treatment, but that wasn't always enough either.

I think that all of this is not nasery why? Cause of one person you change everything buling ? Horasment ? If Jost make fool of him slef and the was kik out dose not means that EBU its bad

I wish the EBU could stop being idiots and listen to people for once

United Kingdom will get Nil point's next year

@Island_Eater

4 күн бұрын

Mkay? What does that mean?

@michaelturner4457

4 күн бұрын

Grande Bretagne nil point

If Rishi and Sir Keir turned up at a leadership debate and started belting out Fly on the Wings of Love with Nigel on backing vocals it would be cringe, and that's exactly what it is when musicians make political statements. Keep it fun or people switch off.

Why blame Martin? We should blame the country's (Israel for example, NO HATE) leader for what they did(like invade a country just because religion. Actually, let's blame whoever invented religion, why can't everyone live in peace

@MrTwister242

4 күн бұрын

The conflict in Gaza has little to do with religion, it's a continuation of a territorial conflict between 2 cultures that started in the late 19th century. And I think it was a mistake of the EBU to allow Israel to participate, after Russia was banned before. They claimed the ESC is apolitical, yet haven't defined an objective set of rules for banning countries, and without clear objective arguments this reinforced the opposite perception: that the EBU was very political.

@hellybelly5481

4 күн бұрын

Martin didn’t do his job too well on many topics during the Song contest. He is responsible so he is to blame

@ivaneurope

4 күн бұрын

@@MrTwister242 A friendly reminder that the EBU was content with Russia competing in 2022 regardless. It was the pressure from other broadcasters that forced their hand. And when they did ban Russia they did with the very vague statement that Russia's participation will "bring the competition into disrepute". Nothing was mentioned that it was because of the war in Ukraine, nor any mentions that the Russian public broadcasters - VGRTK and Channel One Russia, were breaking any rules. Now, when they suspended Belarus, they did it on the grounds that BRTC (Belarus Radio and Television Corporation) was breaking the rules by using political statements in their song and that suspension was originally going to be 3 or 4 years (meaning that the EBU would've welcomed them back with open arms once the suspension lapsed), but now they say it's indefinate. However, they don't say it's because of Belarus' involvement in the war and the decision was more or less once again forced by other broadcasters.

@Island_Eater

4 күн бұрын

@@MrTwister242 I'm actually Russian lol 😂

@MrTwister242

4 күн бұрын

@@Island_Eater Hey, no judgement whatsoever, I'm not anti-jewish, anti-palestine, or anti-russian. At least not when it comes to the people, the regimes on the other hand.

Wrdgaf😂

Now, come thinking about it, the ESC 2024 was such a mess that maybe, just maybe a hard reboot would be for the best - the contest should take 1-2 years off and start from scratch. And it's not the end of the world if there's no Eurovision Song Contest to be quite frank - there are other music festivals with a similar premise that could fill the void. Like, for example, the Sanremo Music Festival, which predates the ESC and was the main inspiration for the creation of the ESC in first place. Other shows that are basically the national ESC selections like Melfest, UMK, Eesti Laul, MGP, Dora and Benidorm Fest to name a few have also gained a large following and could look to add some international flavour if they want to expand beyond their countries of origin. The statement from the EBU is pretty vague and has more questions than answers. Yeah, they're reshuffling the backstage responsibilities by creating new divisions and positions of power, but how does this convince AVROTROS to not pull the plug? How does this help securing more participating countries when the costs are getting even higher and for a broadcaster as small as San Marino's, Moldova's or Bulgaria's is going to be unsustainable to send entries every year with diminishing returns? And I'll not touch on whether or not countries that are in an active war like Israel or Ukraine should be even allowed to enter, because that's a whole other can of worms that is far too complex to be understood. And the EBU needs to stop bashing us in the heads with the 'Eurovision is an apolitical event' horsecr@p, because even a toddler knows that is not true and the ESC has been political from Day 1. For me Conchita Wurst's win in 2014 is political, so is Jamala's in 2016. I hear also the 'think of the children' argument in regards to the third paragraph. I mean, sure, some acts were 'too hot for TV' like with the staging for both Spain and UK's performances while Ireland's performance isn't everyone's cup of coffee and the same goes for Finland's. And perhaps the EBU may be looking at this as well - don't get me wrong, I like silly songs and/or performances from time to time, but sometimes a line needs to be drawn on what is acceptable and what's not. Or maybe we'll see a 4Kids version of the ESC (for those who didn't get it - 4Kids was a licensing company notorious for censoring Japanese Anime like Pokemon or Yu-Gi-Oh! for the English-dub versions)

Nothing about the vote rigging either...

Malmö definitely has a part in the drama, being the most muslim and the most anti-Israel city in sweden

@WeShallOvercome_

Күн бұрын

Exactly. We’ll see how controversial it all is in Switzerland - or any country that can control its borders, for that matter.