Great video. Everything I’m doing wrong is included.

Neil, this was as great video. You do a great job explaining core concepts of where your arm needs to be in a back hand through. I've got the same issues as Jake, this video is perfect for me. Thanks.

Ayee let’s goooo. Super cool to use the tech disc and have you help me out

This is great stuff!! So, been playing for 5 years now, tried every way to throw, countless hours on YT, "started over" countless times...Jake does a one-legged stand-still and throws it farther, by at lest 40 feet, and 20 mph faster than I have ever thrown in my life...I understand it's techdisc, I have one too....if I didn't have so much $$ invested, I would have quit by now... not trying to be negative, but when should a person call it...maybe take up checkers??

@disc-golf-neil

4 ай бұрын

Valid questions. 70 mph is considered ELITE, I believe. Like pro level speed (for men). Of course some guys can get into the 80's and mid 80's, possibly more which is super elite. So mid 60's is not that far away from elite speed, so most people shouldn't expect to get to mid 60's. Jake is strong and athletic before he started DG which helps a ton. About quitting, I mean, either you quit, change your focus to just enjoying playing and not concerned with the stats, or you try to develop a renewed interest in the process of improving your form and keep trying stuff. I believe a lot of issues can be fixed if people put in a ton of reps in slow motion to guarantee they do it right and build muscle memory that way before increasing speed, then gradual increase and continue doing reps to build good muscle memory. Most people won't do it though and jump the gun and get impatient. But you can do it conveniently, with a flight towel while watching TV and recording yourself every now and then to make sure it's looking good.

This is timely... I have video footage of myself and am rounding just like this guy. I will be trying this drill today to see if i can make progess. Hard to take steps back but I really want 450 feet and I don't think I'll get it with bad form. My max is about 350 right now.

@disc-golf-neil

4 ай бұрын

I can’t stress enough how important the advice is to do the motion slowly and confirm it’s correct with camera. If you can easily do the correct motion slowly then you can easily repeat it many times to build muscle memory and then gradually increase the speed until you see something going wrong which means you need to slow down a bit and do more reps to solidify it. It’s not exciting, but you can pretty reliably solve so many form issues this way. I need to do it more myself. We all want to move on faster and believe we are good enough to not have to go so slow and be so basic with the practice. Also, pay attention to the subtle wins, maybe your distance will suffer short term but at some point you’ll feel it’s easier to hit distance you’ve already hit before even though you haven’t increased max distance. That’s a good progress sign that more max distance will probably come in time.

@Tony22715

4 ай бұрын

@@disc-golf-neil yes, thank you. I'll take my camera out today and try my best to SLOW DOWN. It's so hard but so necessary. Watching the number improvement (370 on one leg!) on this first lesson should be incentive enough to slow down and get it right. Also, having less stress on the shoulder will be good long-term. I have had to take days off because of my shoulder.

@disc-golf-neil

4 ай бұрын

@@Tony22715 he is definitely not an average case. He’s got some gym strength and maybe some other athletic background too. He can definitely round his way to 450 soon he if just keeps rounding.

how do i fix disc orientation my never comes flat it always is turned or tilted so the disc stamp is showing on the camera

@disc-golf-neil

4 ай бұрын

Can you do what you want in slow motion? If so, you just need to do a lot of practice reps slowly to build the muscle memory then gradually increase the speed and go back to slower practice when you start failing to do it.

@MusicGW

4 ай бұрын

@@disc-golf-neil for some reaons ieeven if i do it slow i still twist my wrist

@G-Russ09

4 ай бұрын

Supinating. May need to go to stand stills and break down the movement of the arm to “robotic” like and focus on the part you’re trying to fix most and see where it falls apart and then work on the what or why. May be a grip thing too or maybe try to go complete opposite and show the bottom of the disc and turn the key 🤷🏻@Monkeyass954

What are great ques for keeping the elbow up?

@disc-golf-neil

3 ай бұрын

I need to work on it more myself too. I have a bit more drop in mine than I want. But when I work on it what I’ve liked is starting out holding the disc close to a power pocket position but with a lot of scapular protraction (hunch shoulder and upper back forward). You should notice when you do this hunch with the elbow low in a power pocket position it makes your elbow want to come up. Then I focus on keeping that scapular protraction in the reachback and as I pull through I try to just let the elbow bend in naturally from the rotation and keep that scapular protraction as I return to the power pocket.

@joshuagarza__

3 ай бұрын

@@disc-golf-neil going to try this out tomorrow. I used to play baseball all the way up through college so I need to break up the habit of rounding and I notice while doing it, that my elbow still wants to swing around rather then pull through. It’s like a hybrid right now, I know I should pull through but my mechanics just want to naturally twist. But That drill should help me feel the pull through. Definitely sounds worth a try.

@joshuagarza__

3 ай бұрын

@@disc-golf-neil hate to bother you, but what’s the best ques for the back arm on backhands? I can’t seem to get it to go down like the pros. Mine just lazily come in after. I am supposed to think down with it?

@disc-golf-neil

3 ай бұрын

@@joshuagarza__ it might worth holding your off hand to your thigh in all of your warmup throws and some drill sessions for a while as a potentially easy way to build muscle memory for it being close. Watch Jakob semerad throw as an example, smaller guy but I think he has over 500 power. Look for a view of Simon from the back and lots of other pros do this too, but you can see he keeps his off elbow close to his body while he coils. When the elbow is already close it’s only the forearm that is lifted up and so the focus is just bringing the forearm down and close which is easier and faster than having to bring the whole arm in close from far away. One location for where to focus on bringing the off hand into will probably click better for you but two examples are Silas Schultz who almost looks like he slaps his thigh and Simon / Eagle who bring it down and close to their side. This is something I’m working on casually but want to work on more at some point. It doesn’t need to be perfectly close to have good power, nikklas antilla is a good example, he is kind of slow to bring it in and it doesn’t come super tight usually (blitz dg has a good vid about on nikklas). In my form when I go for bigger drives I coil more aggressively and use my off elbow as a cue to coil, elbowing backward drives the coiling motion and when the elbowing motion hits the end of its motion it’s a cue my coiling is done and I’m ready to start bringing my off arm in. The issue I have though is that when I elbow and coil aggressively for a bigger drive my off elbow flies up and away from my body and it makes it slower to bring in the off arm since it’s further away. So my cue now is keep the elbow close to my body but still use the elbowing back cue to drive my coil motion and feel when it’s done and allow the forearm to come up while the elbow stays close to the side and then drop the forearm down quickly to the side or in front of thigh or just behind the side towards the butt, all locations are good. More advanced timing I think is to try to not finish the reach back too soon, keeping some elbow bend so that you are bringing the off arm in as you are still doing the final elbow extension off the reachback so that it creates an opposing force to jump start the pull through. Super tough it’s like patting head and rubbing belly simultaneously type shit lol. This advanced timing tho probably just develops naturally if you keep the off arm close while coiling because it’s so close that you end your having an easier time naturally developing the ideal timing for it to come in. Also pay attention in pro form at which point the off arm starts coming back out. It’s pretty soon so make sure you aren’t misinterpreting that part in your own form as bad, it’s part of good anchoring when it comes to back out.

so if u can see ezra disc in the power pocket see the orientation he is tiling it he tiltsi it downards i have ine the opposite way

@disc-golf-neil

4 ай бұрын

Keep the elbow up and the shoulder internally rotated. Throw slow so you can do it easily and check that it's right in the camera. If it looks good then keep doing it a bunch of times slowly and then increase speed until you mess up and then decrease speed and practice it again to build the muscle memory until you can do it at higher speeds.

@MusicGW

4 ай бұрын

@@disc-golf-neil what do you mean by internally rotated.

@disc-golf-neil

4 ай бұрын

@@MusicGW look up “internal shoulder rotation” to see images. It’s what keeps your wrist level or below the elbow in the power pocket instead of above.

@MusicGW

4 ай бұрын

@@disc-golf-neil Hmm.. so it might be some type of flexibility issue ? never thought about it liek that before, do you do form checks

@disc-golf-neil

4 ай бұрын

@@MusicGW not doing form checks right now. It could be a flexibility issue if it feels hard to put your arm in that standard power pocket position with the elbow up and the forearm across the chest.

The one leg was close to 400ft?

@disc-golf-neil

4 ай бұрын

Yeah, one of his that he really threw hard he got over 60 mph and nose down and a positive launch angle (throwing upwards). If the disk had the right amount of turn for that speed and hyzer angle it could have flown in the high 300s. I adjusted the TechDisc’s turn value in the sim only to see what would’ve given the best distance with those stats since that’s something you can choose with the disc you throw.

and you see why ezra seems to work much harder for his drive than for example shusterick?

@disc-golf-neil

4 ай бұрын

Can you elaborate? I’m not saying Ezra’s extra wide reach back is the ideal, but it’s more forgiving to be wide than it is to be rounding. It’s like picking a line based on the better mistake you would rather make. I’d rather be too wide with my reach back and work on bringing it in closer than be too close and rounding.

@adell6121

4 ай бұрын

i agree i, it's more forgiving, i just wondered if you understood it's not really the way to be efficient@@disc-golf-neil

@disc-golf-neil

4 ай бұрын

@@adell6121 yeah, around 90 deg shoulder angle is probably best for power on average but a little more might be better for some based on anatomical differences but most people still round when trying to widen it and so they could benefit from a bigger exaggeration to help break out of the habit and exaggerating too wide would be the better mistake.