Hold up, you're telling me that people (even pros) are using tires that are too narrow and that a tire that is wider than what we currently consider to be "fast" is actually faster?!?!?! Well I for one am shocked.

@valmorell

5 ай бұрын

Ha ha, so there IS irony in the USA...

@utube7930

5 ай бұрын

Maybe they need you to come on the show... again 😂

@ChanningSmith1

5 ай бұрын

🤣😂🤣😂

@channul4887

5 ай бұрын

@@valmorell makes no fukin sense what you wrote there.

@MarkCox11

5 ай бұрын

@dylanjohnsoncycling soon the pro peloton will be on Thunder Burts

Hi! So, yes, I did take a tumble when ol'mate clipped a pedal in the penultimate corner, just come out of surgery, and a few months of recovery ahead. I did want to mention a few other participation events with the TDU. AusCyclingSA put on a whole bunch of group rides, ranging in distance from 30km to 90-ish, led by local club members around a variety of routes. They were free, and capped at 30 riders per ride leader (which was the main choke point - we didn't have enough ride leaders to meet the demand.) Escape Collective did a great article on the death of the mass-participation gran fondo a few months ago, which is worth a read. The biggest problem is obviously cost, primarily insurance, but also permitting. I ,personally, am unwilling to spend $250 to ride around a course I can ride every day with a cheap as chips jersey. That said, the Bupa challenge rides were how I got into cycling, bakc in 2012, so they play an important part in the cycling ecosystem. I'd love some suggestions on how to run events which are inclusive, but affordable.

The interesting part about the tire tests is that there was not much mention of rim width to tire width aerodynamics. This test could send people in the wrong direction if they have narrow wheels and are trying to put wider tires on. You want the tire width to be seamless with the rim from an aerodynamic perspective. This is why the results were greater at faster speeds. When they show the profile you can see that the 32 is optimized for that rim width. For my particular wheels on my TCR the widest I can run is 28 before you get tire bulge. For Chris this test proves he should be on 32, but for Jesse it would be dependent on his rim width which is probably good for his current max 28 wide tires.

@BQS1234

5 ай бұрын

In a theoretical sense or a TT, this is true. But I think the point Jeff’s video was trying to make is in a crit circuit especially when surface is not perfectly smooth, the wider tire is still faster than the narrower aero-optimised tire (probably due to vibration loss being larger than aero loss)

@FreeFlowSports

5 ай бұрын

@@BQS1234 Right, but the aero optimized tire in his test was the 32mm tire. When looking at the tire vs rim widths you can see the 32mm matches up the best. I was just speculating based on other studies that this is the main reason why the 32 was the best. If the rim had been narrower, I would be interested to know if there was much of any difference between the 28 and 32 with the 28 performing as good or better and the 32 and 34 performing worse. I imagine this has some to do with why world tour teams don't all run massively wide tires. Depending on the wheels they "have" to run, the optimal tire width may be narrower than if they had a wider wheel available.

@mysho6317

5 ай бұрын

Agree - Both internal & external Wheel rim widths have to be factored in👍........and if taking further - Frame / Fork / Seat Tube shapes

@Eramsay121

5 ай бұрын

THANK YOU, I was scrolling down hoping someone had already said this

@lorenzfrass9499

5 ай бұрын

Yeah, would also love to see a test on narrower rims

Congratulations on the "Nero-Show Approved" badge! It's a milestone the two of you should celebrate as a marker of just how far this show has come and the level of influence on the cycling community

TOUR MAGAZINE has published an aero study proving that even on a narrow but well-designed rim like the DT Swiss/swiss side 50 (C20/C27), the aero impact of a wide tire was very limited. For example, only 2 watts of loss at 45 kmh 32mm vs 28mm, they tested up to 38mm tires and there was only 6w of loss compared to a 28mm.

@out_spocken

5 ай бұрын

Shh. You're ruining the marketers attempts to sell more stuff most people don't need. I mean....I need a new bike and new tyres and new rims to go fast and enjoy cycling

@rsam346

5 ай бұрын

Pretty much shits on the rule of 105 doesn't it. That's it, I'm going 30+ on the next tyre change (on my 24mm wide rims).

As a Swede I would never ever go to Australia to do a gravel event as we have plenty of it here. A gran fondo would attract me way more.

Guys! So cool to see that the NERO Approved sticker caught on! LMAO Congrats on the recognition and on another cracking episode, always makes my day! Greetings from Spain

For probably 5 years pre covid, I was meeting mates from all around Australia in Adelaide for the TDU. Usually at least a 10 day trip. We would generally not watch the race in person, but do a decent morning ride, and by the time we rolled into town, we could watch the end of the stage on a big screen somewhere, and then roll back to the house. I love my road racing, but generally have little to no interest in hanging around on the roadside for a race to wizz past. Pro racing is made for TV. We would never really invest in any of the events either. The whole trip was a social catch-up between mates. Ride in the morning, arvo beers and dinner, repeat. That's the Tour Down Under for me. That's my experience with something like the Tour de France too. I love riding in the places where they race, but not when the race is actually there.

Jessie needs a bike sponsor so he can rock the 34mm tyres

@lorenzfrass9499

5 ай бұрын

Yeah imagine, say Merida, got him on a, say Reacto.

@joshpain349

5 ай бұрын

All of a sudden… Nero show badge on Merida site,.. and Jessie asks us to like the Insta post… tin foil hat on.

Can we just appreciate Chris' hair. Someone's been to Hambinis hairdresser! Sharp AF. Btw jessie you cant fit a 30mm conti in the tcr rim if you're prepared to dremel a bit off the brake caliper. I did and it fits.

@ChrisMillerCycling

5 ай бұрын

FINALLY! I’ve been scouring the comments for mention of my fresh as fk cut! 😂

Thanks a lot for this show guys!! You are amazing. Im always looking forward to the next one when it finishes. Cheers from Portugal

@ChrisMillerCycling

5 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching!

My winspace SLC2 with direct mount rim brakes can fit 30ish tires. Cheaper than going to a disc brake bike.

Fair play to Merida for adding the "Nero Badge" Some Top Lads in charge of marketing over there. That's so good.

I think what’s missing on the tyre discussion, is pressure. Pressure produces different responses with different tyre widths. Increasing/decreasing rolling resistance, and increasing/decreasing comfort etc.

Thanks for the show guys!! Always getting me through my long trainer rides! Only thing missing honestly, is….I wish there was more haha 😂

Always ensure tubeless valve is at the high spot when adjusting air to make sure you get the least amount of valve contamination

Presta valve cores are about $1.20 each - I buy them in a bag of 10 and just regularly replace them when i top up sealant - no problem.

They dropped the ball. The Bupa challenge event is unique inside AUstralia, so few mass participation events exist. Absolutely fumbled.

One thing from the NorCal video, they were riding by themselves where aero differences would be more pronounced, in a bunch this wouldn’t be as big of an issue, but all so the rolling resistance benefits for the larger tires would be there. So I bet in real life situation where there’s at least some riding in the groupis the wider tires would be even better.

@romankarabutin3781

5 ай бұрын

Good point👍🏼

I'm scrolling through all the comments, and nobody seems to give a crap about your faux outrage lede story. Gotta love it!! 😂😂

@user-lw7xo6zs6n

5 ай бұрын

the comments about that are alll at the very bottom, wonder why 😁

@stevent5050

5 ай бұрын

@@user-lw7xo6zs6n Maybe if we keep it up, we'll be treated next week to a 5 minute long intro whining about how people in the comment section are so "insensitive." 😛

The radl gravl did sell out so there would've been more participants. Bring back the TDU GRAND FONDO please 🙏 . Very disappointed they scrapped it, im new to cycling and doing it last year sparked a fire that helped me train all year for it 😢

I think there are caveats around the tyre size in that the wheels used were optimised around a wider tyre with a 34mm outer & 21mm inner width. It would be interesting to see a re-run with similar depth wheels, but a rim width optimises for each width. The Aerocoach wheels are an example of this. Their fastest TT front wheel has been used by a number of world tour teams. It is built around a 23mm tyre. They then offer a slightly slower wheel optimised for a wider tyre. These are primarily TT wheels, so aerodynamics given the speed travelled become more important, but it highlights that tyres should match the rim.

@romankarabutin3781

5 ай бұрын

Hmm. That's a good question there. But as far as I understand the latest tests show that benefits of decrease in vibration losses with wider tires greatly outweigh benefits of aerodynamics of the narrower tires. So even if this aerodynamically optimized narrow tire+rim combination will be faster in wind tunnel it will lose more Watts on the road comparing to wider tire+rim combo. Unless you're riding on a velodrome of course🤓 Anyways it gonna be interesting to see where we go 5-10 years from now

@morrisizing

5 ай бұрын

@romankarabutin3781 I think that depends on speed (and surface). In a TT there is still a place for the mullet setup - narrow (by modern standards! As 23, 25's & 28's still blow out quite wide) on the front with a wider rear. Aerocoach don't just use aerodynamics in their tyre / wheel data but combined rolling resistance & tyre widths. As you get towards 30mph you are obviously pushing more aero than at 23mph so the ratio of gains in rolling resistance vs aerodynamics isn't linear but an cubic curve as drag increases cubed but RR doesn't. Flo wheels have a chart for gravel riding with the watts distribution between drag & RR from 1mph to 30mph. A 1mph more power is overcoming RR than drag, by 10mph the distribution is even, from that point the watts being used to over come drag mske up an ever increasing percentage of the overall watts required. So I am sure it will be speed specific.

I agree its a shame the TDU Challenge / BUPA ride was not on - Going back 10 years they used to get 6000+ participants - I wonder what changed ? I recall 2018 it was cancelled due to the 40+ temps - maybe people have been scared off by the conditions in January ? Last year I did it and participants were way down around 1500 - which i think still justifies running it as i seem tor recall paying $90 entry fee. Would be interested though in why the numbers have been dropping over the years ? .... and yes I agree - have been seeing lots more ladies out on road bikes - great for the sport !

I have guys on my Strava who spent the week in Adelaide during the TDU and they were doing 100km+ group rides everday. There were that many rides going on during the TDU. Jesse has lost the plot. Who care about a silly Bupa ride that you have to pay for when there were free grand fondo rides you could do any of the days.

@brownetown6976

5 ай бұрын

Well said. There were tonnes of numbers out riding, racing and viewing. I think they are overvaluing people's desire for a fondo when there are rides every day for free.

I recently put 28´s and 30´s with the 303Firequest on my Endurance bike, and it's really comfortable. But it takes time getting used to it, that it feels "slow". Acceleration fells a bit sluggish.

The comfort advantage, and reduced body fatigue with wider tires is impossible to objectively measure, but will be cumulative with longer rides therefore making the wider tires even more advantageous.

Jesse needs to get his hands on a VanRysel RCR

Another excellent show lads. Liked the discussion about TDU. Our group didn't go this year but your analysis was interesting. Re the Bupa, we did that in about 2018 but haven't done it since. We don't race it and decided that we didn't need to pay $100 to ride the Adelaide Hills when we could do it for free. Jesse's point about the decline of road racing is well made.

it's astounding how little Chris knows about bike gear 😆

I’m on those tubeless valves and you can indeed inject sealant through the valve. Not the chunky one of course, but if you’re on Silca, it’s only messy the first time, after that just inject and go. Crappy thing is with regular core valves, you can stick something in there to check the sealant level. Can’t do that with the fancy ones.

My gf got a gravel bike and she has pretty much no interest in riding road anymore. Nicer scenery most of the time, safer (no traffic), slower pace/less stress on performance. Its keeping her interest in cycling though so i guess that’s what matters

I liked your discussion about the fondo. When you talk about gravel being where things are headed, I think it's only to the extent that things are headed in the direction that is accessible for them, and some of that is the result of what gets organized or what opportunities are presented. I think the accessibility of gravel (in many places in the world, perhaps not in Australia) holds merit, in that people can be away from cars and ride anywhere without having to deal with traffic and aggressive drivers. But part of the point of some Fondos is to make those big rides on roads safe and accessible for the day of the event. Part of the reason that gravel IS growing in lots of places is that people want to go on a long ride away from cars. A Fondo is something that this provides! I think the decline of fondos is a shame, especially when more people that ever, I think, are looking for safe opportunities to go on great rides.

I use silca sealant and filmore valves. Both are awesome. When I top off with stage 2 sealant, I send it straight through the valve. No clogging issues what so ever

Chris, you look like George Mcfly with this ridiculous hair cut! 😂😂😂

@phillipbailey7080

5 ай бұрын

Which era of George though? 1955, 1985, 1985 cool version, 2015 upside down version. Need to be specific here 😂

@taxi9554

5 ай бұрын

With this you save another 5 watt

Bora kit is awesome. Brings back the good days with flashy/ in your face colors and not this new boring pastel plain colors era

I have a really like the filmore valves. You can put the sealant through the valve as long as it doesn't have any "particles" in it.

You can inject sealant through a Fillmore valve. That’s what it’s designed to do.

@steeevt

5 ай бұрын

Yep, thought Chris got this wrong. I fill via the filmore valve with no issue.

@kcfwpi1

5 ай бұрын

Came here to say this. Awesome valves, only downside is the cost.

The big thing is gravel is a thing and being pushed because you then surrender the roads again to cars. Which will get governments and local councils to breathe a sigh of relief that they don't have to deal anymore with bike vs car issues.

I am pretty sure they canned the grand fondo due to rising costs associated with insurance, road blocks, permits ect and lower participation numbers last year.

Another great episode as always boys. Cheers 🍻. As you guys talked about NorCal video and have talked about other channels on the podcast and have talked about wanting to grow the cycling community and get more people involved and watching specially here on KZread. Why not have a small segment to show love and support to small channels and new creators like myself or many other that put a lot of work in to making great videos and they do get a lot of positive feedback but it would help them to get more people watching and in to the community. It don’t have to be an every episode thing but maybe every few months if u guys find a small channel that are worth a mention by the support they get and how good their content is. I look forward to Thursdays because I know there will Be a video from you guys 🙏😂.

Heaps of guys down here in Melbourne ride gravel. Jesse is once again in his bubble thinking no one rides a gravel bike just because he lives in Sydney.

@stickler6312

5 ай бұрын

Agree, I ride mostly gravel in Melb, not hard to find...a gravel bike with road and gravel wheels for best of both worlds.

I got a new Vitus TT bike in 2021 and run 25mm on it from day one. I swapped to a 28mm tyre and went tubeless last year and all my times over all the course marginally improved for the same power out put. The one thing I do find weird is it feels slow but it’s not. When I started riding TT’s we used 19mm tubs, so it’s a big change.

Fail for TDU for not having a GF available. Something where all the road fans can participate, throw in timed segments and you can appease everyone.

Why you can’t do the Bupa Gran Fondo & Radl Gravl both blows my mind. We need more events not less. Sure we can grow gravel but not by shrinking the road scene.

@Gabrielle4870

5 ай бұрын

No permits vs astronomical costs for permits and closures

One thing I don't see talked about much is how wider tires = lower PSI = better sealant properties. I'm also tapped out at 28s, and would consider a new bike/frame just to get pressures down to where tubeless actually doesn't suck. great episode (again!).

The fillmore valves are great! They have a lifetime warranty, they allow enough air through to seat the tires without a tubless pump, if you want to lower your pressure you can unscrew the cap a little & it acts as a release valve! It won't clog with most sealants but it will with the silca stuff(maybe not the top up liquid but I just break the bead anyway)

on my bike with the 32 mm tires sometimes I have to look at the tire because I think it’s going flat because it is so comfortable and almost a little bit squishy but my times are really good on my segments on Strava so I don’t think I’m losing time it’s just a different feel

As usual, Jesse does not know what he is talking about! 😂😂😂

I’ve been using 32mm Conti GP 5000 tubeless paired with Princeton Wake 6560 wheels for three years. Princeton says the Wake 6560 is optimized for 32 mm tires which is why I tried it to begin with, proof they’re faster. I just did a group ride of four guys yesterday. 41 miles distance averaging 21.3 mph. I averaged 202 watts while my buddy averaged 225 watts. We were riding the same bike and we both weigh 183 lbs. He rides the conti 28mm and me the 32. He rides a Tarmac SL7 pro, me the SWorks. He has the latest version of the 6560 wheels with White Industry hubs, I have the three year old 6560 with Industry nines. I’ve been trumpeting this fact for years however most folks are still skeptical.

@josephdunbar2105

5 ай бұрын

BTW, my normalized power was 245 watts and I actually did 207 average power, not 202. His NP was 257 watts.

Just listened here in South Carolina..while setting up tubeless..with Fillmore valves.. I had just tried squeezing Orange Seal through and I pretty much popped the hose off trying to when you said you couldn’t do it. Pedal On‼️

Did tests between 25 and 32 tubeless contis 3 years ago. Roll test down a 2.6k hill Ave 6 .7% gradient. 90 psi 25's 55 psi 32's. Same bike, spokes, hubs. Rims optimized for each tire. 32's consistently 6-12 seconds quicker.

The 2 / 3/ 5 Dams Grand Fondo by West Cycle was canceled from this year onwards Western Australia citing insurance costs. However filling its place is a Hills Grand Fondo which has been revived after being knocked out by Covid.

The caveat. They used vittoria NEXT tyres . Peak torques findings, are that these tyres are super slow. I would love to see the same experiment using conti GP5000 tyres

@paulwebster4499

5 ай бұрын

And also dont froget that rim width is super important

@davidgeorge9233

5 ай бұрын

Rode these tyres in 26mm (Tenerife) and 28mm (Pyrenees) and I can assure you they are not super slow! Granted a few watts gain on the flat would always be welcome but I found them to be truly excellent all rounders and descending was a lot of fun / confidence inspiring.

@paulwebster4499

5 ай бұрын

Are wider tires a total win the aerodynamics Peak Torque, Alex uses hardware Dan Bingham lent him. Please watch then comment,

Thank you Jesse for your passion on this subject. Shows real compassion and class.

@rayF4rio

5 ай бұрын

Which subject? Tubeless?

Hunt figured out the whole external wide rim (35mm) and tire combo with their limitless series wheels back in 2018ish. Copied by Specialized, Ascent, Reserve etc. I run 32mm on 48 Limitless “22.5mm” internal (really 23mm) HOOKED and the tire balloons out to 34mm, still close to rule of 105% Best overall I think would be 23mm internal, 35mm external, with 30mm front and 32mm rear. The tire to rim transition doesn’t seem to really be of that much importance, what’s important is having it lightbulb just enough for comfort and lower rolling resistance , but still overall transition to a rim wider than the tire.

I've been seeing new meridas around in Canberra, including some of the top end guys 😂 NERO CERTIFIED

Love the show fellas. I really enjoy tuning into and hearing the different topics you discuss. As someone who is newer to cycling, I do find the doom & gloom of the state of road cycling that you've covered lately to feel a little disappointing. From an American view point, the crit and group ride scene seems very strong, hopefully you can see it turn around in Australia.

I have converted all my wheels to the Fillmore valves, because of clogging issues I had. You can definitely fill your tires with sealant through the valve.

Love the show! saving this one for later! ✌

Love this show, I think GCN used calipers on Pogacar’s tires at the 2023 TDF when they were looking at bikes and they came out to 32/33mm wide (28c on ENVE rims); I could be wrong though. Anywho, awesome show like always.

I just got a new bike, Scott Addict SE mounted in 32mm and the change with my previous 23mm is massive.

Jesse new bike day… that will get 100k views!! Let’s go Jesse.

A two part sealant makes so much sense to me since its presumably just the portion of the sealant that evaporates or whatever that needs topped up. Ill try tubeless eventually

I appreciate your show and your opinions but calling to cancel an uci sanctioned race because the actions of a handful of people involved is a bit much.

You guys need to interview the president or treasurer of a few road race clubs that are putting on road events to get a sense of the frustrations we as road racing clubs are suffering ATM.

While I’m not a big fan of gravel riding road cycling is getting more and more dangerous. I have a few friends that have completely stopped riding road and moved on to gravel for that reason. For example, the other day in Miami a cyclist got shot in a group ride by a motorist, I have a friend of mine that was riding in a group, a car got in front of him and brake checked him and he smashed into the back of the car that, in the US at least, it’s happening quite often

The Tour de Brisbane is a brilliant Gran Fondo/race, the long race was 110km of fully closed roads in the middle of Brisbane, highways & bus ways, it supposedly had over 6,000 participants last year in the various events.

Silca sealant seems super effective, 180 days might be a little too long between refreshes though, especially in summer

Surprised Jesse has not experienced the blockage with Silica. Give it a few more weeks I suspect since it tried to fill every hole. I am about to try HI FLOW 'No Clog' Tubeless Valves by 76 Projects . Yes you should be able to inject the regular liquid sealants. However this would apply only to the Silica replenisher.

I recently found out my road bike has 28mm max clearance and my triathlon frame has 23mm (maybe 25mm) clearance. Both are 2x10 speed from around 2012. In a year or two I'll probably upgrade to two new bikes with wider clearance, tubeless tires and disk brakes. price is definitely a hurdle to get there

Only issue w/ Reserve valves; you can’t use a stick to measure how much sealant is present. You have to take the tire off. Presta valve can be removed and the sealant level measured with a small stick (Q tip without the cotton, if the wheels aren’t that deep)

I have been running 34c vittoria corsa pro control on shimano grx wheels on my time adhx this winter, now I will go 32c for summer

Its like talking about the improvements in airflow over the mirrors on a Le Mans Porsche at 300km/h. Its unlikely to make any real difference to the rest of us. Generally we would be better off losing some weight and work on race craft and fitness if we want to get to the finish line sooner. A good thing about wider tires we can all appreciate is they are way comfier than narrow tires at high pressure. Much more grip too I feel.

About the Silca sealant, works great when fresh but after 180 days is like glue inside , open your tires if Don’t believe me. Gilmore valves were designed and developed by Reserve( Santa Cruz) . Chris explanation of the Filmore valve is very limited , there is a core and works the same way but is not removable

Re: Fillmore valves It sounds like you haven't actually tried them yet, so let me address your comments (I have these on all my gravel and mtb wheels, as of last season). 1) Yes, you can inject sealant directly through the valve (much easier than with a normal presta). The only exception is Silca sealant (which will plug almost anything). 2) The difference in air flow versus a presta is unbelievable. I never have a problem seating tires anymore. 3) The Fillmore cap does two things. It allows you to micro-adjust the air pressure more finely than is possible with a presta. Second, it serves to secure the valve so there is no accidental air discharge. Screwing down a presta valve achieves the same thing, i.e. tightening the cap of the Fillmore is the same as screwing down the head of a presta, so there is essentially no difference between the two in this regard (a presta cap is simply a dust protector). 4) The Fillmore design eliminates the clogging that occurs inside the valve stem with a presta over time ( I used to have to unscrew my presta cores and periodically remove dried on sealant so the valves would seal properly). Cheers!

Chris, I wanted to add a comment on the state of cycling in mainstream media in Melbourne. The Cadel Evans Road Racing series of events was over the Australia Day long weekend. Probably the 2nd biggest cycling event in Australia after the TDU and while there was good TV coverage on 7+, it rates barely a mention in the the papers on Friday and Monday. To be honest there was more on Horse Racing, Cricket, Soccer and AFL (which has not even started as yet). To your point cycling does have an image problem and in Melbourne at the moment I would say a fair amount of that is based around safety and participation in cycling on the roads.

I wonder how wider tires would do with hard accelerations taken into account, but I guess that's a bit harder to measure. I run 28mm GP5000s and I think it's still the best balance of light weight, low rolling resistance and relatively low frontal area.

Was feeling bad that i fitted 32mm 5000STR on my new look optimum, was going ro swap back to a 30 or 28 next year. But after this i feel ao much better, nevwr going back to smaller aized tire. The comfort.and grip is out of the world

Let's get Warren Rossiter or David Arthur on here. Would be wicked to hear some of the views, ideas and experiences. Great show as always.

Definitely re SRAM with shimano discs - I run dura ace discs on my SRAM red. And valve “clot” definitely has been an issue for me. Helps to store valves “upward” as in not valve down. It at least makes some sense.

32s on a road bike at 55psi feels amazing.

@mikicastan

5 ай бұрын

No,it feels slugish

@8rk

5 ай бұрын

I tried this and felt super slow. But admittedly never at a high pace. Just off season z2 noodling. As mentioned in the show too, how it feels can often be at odds with how it is actually performing,

@rmb_dev

5 ай бұрын

Not when you weight is 85 kg )

been riding 28's since 2019 when it wasn't a thing. my bike can only take 30 maybe, switching to that. its so awesome and comfortable.

Two brands with mutual benefits are Merida and the Nero Show. One needs some contemporary riders with a sizeable audience to market the product and make it cool. The other some brand support. If the Nero boys were on a Merida I’d buy one (subject to it holding its speed!).

I'd hate to know how much slower my 25s are 😰 Oh well, my bike will be eligible for historic club reg this year so that's a positive

You guys have made the big time! Cycling endorsement deals will start flowing! Go Merida!

I’d like to see a tubeless setup vs TPU inner tube comparison test especially with wider tires like 34mm. I noticed a difference going to TPU from light weight tubes, more comfortable and almost 100gm lighter per wheel.

Hey Chris! The Hair, is that a SRAM or Shimano Groom Set!

I must say Jessie, the new bikes are sadly a lot faster. My Factor is a couple of km/ph faster over my rim brakes over similar routes and power. I felt it would of been slower than the Specialissima up a decent climb but was proved wrong yesterday. I Tested it against the Bianchi up a 7% climb, its quiet remarkable how much smoother they are, i thought the Bianchi's where super smooth with the countervail technology but jumping back onto them now i feel i am being thrown around. 5.2km Climb @ 7 % average Ostro 7.1 KG @ 338 watts - 163 bpm average - 14442.4 VAM - 16:41 Specialissima 6.8 KG @ 337 watts - 163 bpm - 1442.4 VAM - 16:41

Actually bought GP5000S TR in 30mm after that video to test.. also going tubeless.. more comfort and better rolling resistance.. 30mm is max for my frame so should be good! Used 28mm latex inner tube beforehand.

Always a treat to listen to you guys

I'm still riding 23s pumped up to 200 PSI - have been for 30 years - used to maybe drop down to 19mm tubs for a race - am I doing it wrong??! 😆

@savagepro9060

5 ай бұрын

I'm stuck with 19mm tubs. Might even use 18mm if I can find it. Fcuk the aero science. Let my arse hurt! Battle scars!

It’s strange because I run a 28mm continental in a 23mm internal rim and it blows up to 31mm. Guess I inadvertently ended up with the fastest tires

Just my take, one of my bikes has a CX frame that I built up to ride road with 38c tires. While I can be fast on it, I do notice that it takes me significantly more wattage and "ass" to get it up to speed, than my actual dedicated road bike which has 25s. Nooo I'm not saying my dedicated road bike is faster. I'm just saying that it takes more work for me to spin up tires lager than 32s. My dedicated road bike is very "reactive" during intervals. If that makes sense.

the bupa rides for tdu were so good back in the day idk why they dont do it anymore

Great show , few takes about the wide tires for the road,while the data supports it the wider tires are faster and more comfortable unless you do a lot of climbing, the weight difference between a26x700 S Works Turbo tire and a 34x700 is over 100g, that is serious penalty when weight matters. About the gravel becoming more and more popular and how it takes from the roadies. No one talks about how many riders would have gone gravel and not road had they have the option at the beginning of their riding life?? Road and MTB were the only competitive classes and quite different, now gravel is closer to road and more people enjoy it more , or do both. Hard for you 2 to have a very solid and pertinent take on the gravel when not owning or riding gravel events. Maybe get a gravel bike, ride gravel and race gravel , in the US gravel is advanced and slowly becoming more and more popular , makes road riding boring.

Jesse is soooooo maaaaad

The bupa ride cost $200 × 1900 participants is $380,000 surely that covers the cost of portable toilets and water trailers. They use the same route as the pros so they dont close off extra roads. Stuart O'grady bring it back for the 25year anniversary.

@KeithHeinrich

5 ай бұрын

Probably barely covers the cost of insurance. Its a thing that's killing lots of events.

@michaeltucker35

5 ай бұрын

@KeithHeinrich good point, hopefully they can find a way to bring it back. Possibly have a participation target to be financially viable 🤔

@specialblend218

4 ай бұрын

I helped run a gran fondo for 5 years, our sponsor donations were larger than total entry fees collected. Insurance is based on a long questionnaire. They need to look at the questionnaire and determine how to offer the ride and lower the cost.

Fillmore valves are the ducks nuts. i got them on all my bikes now. makes seating tubeless tires a breeze. plus being able to quickly and easily deflate in tiny increments in seconds.

Jesse, topping your sealent up after three months. Not enough mileage, I'm ready for a new tyre after three months 🤣

If u have a strong leg to pedal, than a wider tires you might benefit from it. But if u don't than it will drag you down. Know your level guys. The only mistake I see in all the riders today is, they think having the lastest tech and design will make them go faster. Know what you're upgrading, do not compare yourself with the pro or a strong rider in your group.