I'm buying a house on Winsor Ave located on the former camp site. I'm not scared and I will respect the land as sacred and pray for those who suffered there.

My Great Grandfather, a private of the 1st Florida Infantry, was captured near Pensacola, FL and taken by ship to that Hell Hole at Elmira and managed to survive.

@travishendrix7026

Жыл бұрын

My Grand dad was there also. He served in the 1st South Carolina. He left a journal and what he wrote is heartbreaking to me today. Mine was captured after Sharpsburg. 13 months he spent in that hell hole Elmira.

My Great Grandfather(Morgans Cavalry) imprisoned Camp Douglass ,Chicago.Aug 1863 to wars end: it was no picnic either...he survived ..

@pidjones

3 ай бұрын

Mine, too served with Morgan, and captured at Salineville, sent to Douglas. He was eventually paroled and returned to Kentucky.

I'll be volunteering there this year, and now work for ECW :) it's an honor!

Watched the whole video in one sitting! A good and informative speech.

My 2nd great uncle, Edward W Easley, who served in a Louisiana regiment, was captured and imprisoned at Elmira. He was released at the end of the war and died in 1876 from typhoid fever at the home of his cousin Clementine Watterson Easley in Sabine County, Texas. He was buried near his home in Bienville Parish, Louisiana.

I’m from Elmira Heights, NY

@ChrisWolfe-zz2vw

3 ай бұрын

Same, 11th St!

I have Hellmira: The Union's Most Infamous Civil War Camp----Elmira,NY by Derek Maxfield. I just started reading it.

@emergingcivilwar8965

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@jamesrichardson3322

2 жыл бұрын

@@emergingcivilwar8965 Welcome! I live in Chicago, and on the Southside of Chicago at the University of Chicago is the site of Camp Douglas.

@acousticshadow4032

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamesrichardson3322 Is there anything left of Camp Douglas - or any marker designating where it once stood? I ask because Chicago was my second home during the 1990s (long story). One day, some Chicago native friends & I tried to locate the site of Camp Douglas on the South Side, but without any tangible success. Some of it was taken over by a senior housing/condominium development (Cottage Grove, off 31st Street), and some of it was a large municipal park on the banks of Lake Michigan - but there was literally nothing marked "Camp Douglas", anywhere. Perhaps there is now, but not then. Fwiw, I later found out an ancestor in the 38th Georgia Infantry was briefly held at Camp Douglas. He had taken the Oath of Allegiance to the U.S. Govt at Camp Chase in Columbus OH, and was shipped out "west" to fight Indians in Dakota Territory. Taking the oath probably saved his life - but made it impossible for him to return home after the war, which he did not.

@jamesrichardson3322

2 жыл бұрын

@@acousticshadow4032 Thank God he took the Oath of Allegiance to the United States, and was taken out of Camp Douglas, and taken to Camp Chase,and went on fight Indians. Lived to tell his tale!! Chicago tried to wipe the memory of the citizens of Camp Douglas. No one today know of existence except for Civil War buffs and Historians, people don't care what happened there. That area is a war zone around the University of Chicago, extremely dangerous.

@acousticshadow4032

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamesrichardson3322 Actually, my ancestor went from Camp Chase to Camp Douglas, en route to The Dakotas. He couldn't go back home after becoming a Galvanized Yankee because his brother, in same Company of the 38th GA Inf, was KIA at 2nd Manassas. So, he changed his surname & lived out his life in MO. Is buried there.

I have heard stories that suggest that German POWs were actually treated fairly well during WWII by the Americans Brits and Canadians. I understand that at least British POWs were treated fairly well by the Germans during WWII. But through out human history and, more specifically, military history, POWs had it pretty damn bad. The idea of being a POW sounds about ad bad as it gets far more often than not. I applaud how it was pointed out here that both sides, during the Civil War, had a rather abysmal record when it came to how POWs were treated, especially in the later stages of the war. One of the problems with POWs in any war is that as a war rages on and one side begins to lose things generally go from bad to really bad to out right horrible for the losing side at some point. If logistics and lack of provisions are an issue for the side that is losing (which is often the case) and the losing side sustain it' own fighting men you can only anticipate that things will be outright abysmal for their POWs. We see this throughout the history of warfare. There is no way of excusing how Union POWs were treated at Andersonville or many of the other Confederate POWs camps of the Civil War. But the cruel and barbaric treatment of Confederate POWs is even worse in many ways. As the war was entering into its final phases Confederate soldiers still actively fighting the war were pretty much starving and suffering from lack of other provisions such as lack of ammunition and adequate clothing etc. The Union forces pretty well had an abundance of everything necessary to wage war at the time by comparison. This is pretty well the way wars of attrition go. There is no justification for the inhumane treatment of human beings by other human beings even when it comes to times of war, and there was plenty of inhumanity on both sides regarding the treatment of POWs during the American Civil War. It is truly a stain on American history that both sides share. But the Union had within it's capability the ability to provide more humane conditions for the Confederate POWs than the Confederates had for doing the same for Union POWs.

@forexed8948

11 ай бұрын

Sherman's march to the sea didn't help much either

So much for "reuniting" a nation... Great video. Cheers from Argentina.

From my understanding, no one was prepared to take on POWs and the south was even less capable of keeping them fed as 64' hits. I'm not sure what excuse the union has for not feeding their POWs, One didn't have the means, while the other just didn't bother.

Its sad what war will do to people and their decisions and hate but thats what happend durring those 4 bloody years.

Sir, you make the statement about moving beyond finger pointing. That is all you did. Justifying Elmira against Andersonville. My grandfather D.I. Hendrix was there and left a journal. What happened there was inexcusable. He said and wrote " We ate rotted potatoes and soured feed corn for the mules to keep from starving" You are correct on the number of deaths by his writing. He was too weak to travel back to South Carolina. Took him a year to get home. Yankees always have and always will downplay or ignore their own actions. Deo Vindice.

@darinweeks9330

Жыл бұрын

Elmira was not a fraction as brutal as Andersonville, this is a fact

@travishendrix7026

Жыл бұрын

@@darinweeks9330 Uh. No sir it is not fact. I bet you believe the media today also.

@travishendrix7026

11 ай бұрын

@@AKguru762 Pretty cute mam, Affirming truth is always appreciated. Many thanks.

@morgainedepolloc4161

8 ай бұрын

I agree with your assessment of Andersonville. But we must not forget that atrocities were committed on both sides. "History is written by the victors." But in today's environment of "correcting history" we must accept that there may be pain as we revisit this. The typical picture of the "inherently evil" and stupid Southerner is one trope that needs to be discarded. As we do our genealogy research (in the South) with new technologies and capabilities, we are uncovering new data. I myself am now aware of the mass rapes that occurred during Sherman's March by the "Bummers." Even the Union documented this atrocity because it became such a problem. they prosecuted some Union solders of rape in Kinston NC--where my family is from. Slavery is abhorrent. But War Crimes are just as abhorrent. This war was not just a case of "noble" Union soldiers heroically and gallantly "freeing slaves." This was a brutal war that impacted civilian, non-combatants (like Bosnia). That MUST be acknowledged.

@morgainedepolloc4161

8 ай бұрын

I agree with you on Andersonville. We must not forget that atrocities were committed on both sides. "History is written by the victors." But in today's environment of "correcting history" we must accept that there may be pain as we revisit this. The typical picture of the "inherently evil" and stupid Southerner is one trope that needs to be discarded. As we do our genealogy research (in the South) with new technologies and capabilities, we are uncovering new data. I myself am now aware of the mass rapes that occurred during Sherman's March by the "Bummers." Even the Union documented this atrocity because it became such a problem. they prosecuted some Union solders of rape in Kinston NC--where my family is from. Slavery is abhorrent. But War Crimes are just as abhorrent. This war was not just a case of "noble" Union soldiers heroically and gallantly "freeing slaves." This was a brutal war that impacted civilian, non-combatants (like Bosnia). That MUST be acknowledged.

Just like the citizens of Dachau concentration camp. When I was there they did not generally advertise its whereabouts in town you really had to work at finding it

I Drove through Elmira in the 1980s...asked several locals where the camp was....they had no idea what I was talking about. They didn't even know Mark Twain was buried in Elmira. This camp and Camp Douglas in Chicago were DEATH camps !! Americans to this day do not understand the vicious hatred northerners had toward southerners.....many who were men of honor who fought to defend their homes from the attack of a powerful federal army unleashed by Lincoln against any state that seceded from the Union. The starving Confederates had little to give to Union prisoners, as they were starving themselves, however, the refusal by the well provisioned Union Army to care for the rebel prisoners....who soon would be " our countrymen again " as Grant said, is inexcusable. This camp and the neglectful and hateful treatment of its prisoners is a good example of what leftist Democrats may do TODAY to American citizens who oppose them. These brainwashed Bolshevik ignoramuses are FILLED with hatred and hypocrisy and would be fully capable of resurrecting these horrors on their fellow citizens TODAY....they are EVIL...... just like those who abused rebel prisoners in the Civil War.

@triciajohnston8259

3 жыл бұрын

Wow, angry much?

@brealistic3542

2 жыл бұрын

You really have no clue about it. I watched a video about it from the staff at the camp that shows this in fine detail.

@ufc990

2 жыл бұрын

A confederate doctor who visited Andersonville both suggested a diet that would rectify many of the nutritional deficiencies the union prisoners were suffering from and checked to make sure that these supplies were in abundance locally and able to be provided cheaply. This has been documented. In addition, that doesn't excuse the squalid conditions they were forced to endure ranging from lack of shelter to no access to latrines or anything remotely approaching appropriate water supplies. Both side committed abuses but in death rate and living conditions it is clear that the union POWs were worse off and your gross denial of reality makes it obvious you either have an agenda or have no clue how things were according to the sources.

@natedog1619

2 жыл бұрын

The dems will have new Hellmira-style internment camps for the unvaccinated. PAPERS PLEASE!

@lynlynnielyn9188

2 жыл бұрын

​@@ufc990 don't you have it backwards, the prisons in the south were worse than the prisons of the north

When have prison of war camps,throughout history, not had poor,deadly conditions. Lack of food, proper medical care,besides abuses by guards.Sad but true.

I know one thing i would much rather died on that train than to step one foot in hellmira.

They sure don't mention this.

@ufc990

2 жыл бұрын

Who is they? Most people dont mention the civil war at all.

I've been to Andernsonville and Fort Delaware. But not this prison. All heck if you ask me.

@followyourheart1366

2 жыл бұрын

Ironically I used to live 20 minutes from fort Delaware and I have relatives 15 minutes from Andersonville. And yes I've been to both!!

Thank you for this research. We must not forget that atrocities were committed on both sides. "History is written by the victors." But in today's environment of "correcting history" we must accept that there may be pain as we revisit this. The typical picture of the "inherently evil" and stupid Southerner is one trope that needs to be discarded. As we do our genealogy research (in the South) with new technologies and capabilities, we are uncovering new data. I myself am now aware of the mass rapes that occurred during Sherman's March by the "Bummers." Even the Union documented this atrocity because it became such a problem. they prosecuted some Union solders of rape in Kinston NC--where my family is from. Slavery is abhorrent. But War Crimes are just as abhorrent. This war was not just a case of "noble" Union soldiers heroically and gallantly "freeing slaves." This was a brutal war that impacted civilian, non-combatants (like Bosnia). That MUST be acknowledged.

aaaaammmmm..... ahhhhhhmmmm... aaaahhhhmmmm..... ahhhhmmmmmm.... did u count the amt of aaaaahhhmmms he said in the first 3 mins of the vid???? so annoying ahhhhmmmm.... ahhhhhmmmmmm.... ahhhhhmmmmmm

Was not true,the confederate prisoners were treated well at Elmira

@ufc990

2 жыл бұрын

Dont be ridiculous. You sound like the crazy racist pricks who rant about how the south only starved the prisoners at Sumter because they didnt have the capability to feed themselves much less others. Both sides treated the others prisoners horribly in that last year or so of the war. The confederates at Andersonville were worse but Elmira had hellish conditions and the death rate was nearly the same.

@Toolaholic7

2 жыл бұрын

I am not,I watch that video link and what that expert said is true

@ufc990

2 жыл бұрын

@@Toolaholic7 What are you talking about? What link and what expert? There is no reputable civilian war historian who would deny the confederates suffered at Elmira. There are dozens of accounts of the goings on at Elmira, many by Union guards and officials.

@ufc990

2 жыл бұрын

@@Toolaholic7 Among any with an inkling of what went on in the civil war pow camps the debates have always been about whether Elmira was as bad as Andersonville, the reasons why Elmira was bad, etc. I've never come across anyone whos opinion was worth a damn debating that Elmira actually wasnt that bad a place, noone denies it. It was extremely wil documented by contemporary people of both sides and a myriad of backgrounds.

@Toolaholic7

2 жыл бұрын

@@ufc990 This one, kzread.info/dash/bejne/aaV1pK1wnqawfrA.html

Thumbs down, not on content, but on showmanship.