Most live services would literally kill people to retain 10% of their launch audience.

@Lordoftherobe

8 күн бұрын

Uh... Most retain more than that. Warzone, fortnite, apex, hell even the first descendant is also. Arrowhead just chose to be scumbags and ruin their game for short term money gains.

@Shadare

8 күн бұрын

@Lordoftherobe that's not even close to "most". I think bellular referred to that list as the "incumbents", and I don't think you need to be a AAA title to succeed at the live service model. In fact having AAA budgets are more of a liability in live service than they are in GAP titles because you pay that penalty more in success than in failure. Since Sony doesn't publish many live services in such a crowded ecosystem, I'm waiting to see if they earn the negative "AAA" label that their budgets definitely justify.

@Lordoftherobe

8 күн бұрын

@@Shadare arrowhead at this point is a AAA studio simply due to the budget alone and the millions they made after. And just like a AAA company... They took the money and ran.

@pieman2906

8 күн бұрын

​@@Lordoftherobe absolutely schizo take. I know you wanna play the depressed boi who got cucked by the mean company, but you can't just copy paste that narrative onto every scenario in KZread gaming drama.

@pian-0g445

8 күн бұрын

@@Lordoftherobethey neither have the budget or staff size if that is a AAA studio. Are they a big AA with a large budget? Yes. AAA? No.

Helldivers 2 isn’t dead, Suicide Squad is dead.

@DoesNotInhale

8 күн бұрын

240k daily players for two months straight now it can barely maintain 30k ok dude rub your last neurons together to form a cogent thought we know you can do it

@Tamachii12

8 күн бұрын

@@DoesNotInhale Dunno where you took the 30k since i just logged and there was like 50-60k

@unamless9229

8 күн бұрын

@@DoesNotInhale "cogent"

@jokerledger5400

8 күн бұрын

@@DoesNotInhale 30k is more than most AAA games, more than enough, and it is far from dead. Rub your last neurons together and actually think.

@Konyyaan

8 күн бұрын

@@unamless9229cogent 😂

It’s still a good game. But having played over 200 hours after launch, there is simply not much to do after you unlock everything. I still come back from time to time, but the game would definitely benefit from better long-term progression and more interesting game modes.

@tonybeaumont8289

8 күн бұрын

Same problem here. I still do have fun when i jump on, ive just sunk so much time into it that i'm kinda burnt out

@sempersteel2799

8 күн бұрын

Same. I've got 370 hours in it, and I've had everything unlocked for ages. I still pop in and play a few missions maybe once a week, but new missions would be great to have.

@avising8574

8 күн бұрын

it’s not a sony issue…it’s an arrowhead issue. But for some reason it’s a huge pill people struggle to take.

@drowningin

8 күн бұрын

So you’re saying it would benefit from being a live service? Gamers are confusing.. “we hate live service!”, “there’s nothing to do after 400hrs!”

@grandrtiv26

8 күн бұрын

@@drowningin Are those gamers in the room with you? I don’t recall saying anything about live service being bad. This game IS a live service, so obviously it would benefit from having an infinite game loop. Idk why you’re mad lol

Hype died with Sony's actions.

@OptimusR4

8 күн бұрын

yup

@knuckles7410

8 күн бұрын

SteamDB chart disagree with you. But I know gamers have issues with facts and data. Coping is hard.

@BasementPepperoni

8 күн бұрын

@@knuckles7410 Apparently the journos do too since they're the ones reporting it, lol

@dziadmorowy5935

8 күн бұрын

Hype died with repetitive gameplay and no progression. It's not a bad game, just needs more content

@MEGABUMSTENCH

8 күн бұрын

@@knuckles7410 feb to march and march to april, the playerbase wasnt bleeding much. then after that its been a steady, yet more steep, decline

If we werent fighting for the same 5 goddamn planets everytime im sure the game wouldve retained more players…

That is the nature of video games with short gameplay loops.

@krspaceT1

8 күн бұрын

It's a risk of a game that needs a stable playing base. Captain Toad is a short gameplay loop but Nintendo just needs one purchase out of its players. He'll divers 2 is a different mushroom

@swbftor403

8 күн бұрын

But then why market and monetize it as a live service?

@krspaceT1

8 күн бұрын

@@swbftor403 Because Executives in most companies can only see the possible profits, not the actual ones. Its why Warner Bros sees Suicide Squad as the future, not Hogwarts Legacy.

@Lordoftherobe

8 күн бұрын

No, the devs actively killed their game with horrendous balance patches that made all the primary weapons feel like nerf guns. It's because the devs bait and switched us selling the promise of a power fantasy and when players went too fast they pulled the plug and said "this isn't a power fantasy game anymore." Arrowhead are scumbags and proved it time and time again.

@Sorrowdusk

8 күн бұрын

​@@krspaceT1😮 I thought Hogwarts Legacy had different issues if I were to believe the interwebs

I quit when I felt myself contemplating if I should maybe spend 30min on a match and maybe crash, or spend that 30min on another game.

@elkpants1280

8 күн бұрын

This is a way bigger issue than I think AH realizes. Having a game THIS unstable THIS long after launch is utterly unacceptable and it’s pissing players off

@Wodashit

8 күн бұрын

@@elkpants1280 Same reason I left, there is no reason to stick around if they don't respect our time...

@TheBromander

7 күн бұрын

Crashing of the game on PC was a big deterrent for me as it was happening very frequently like a month ago

@nogitsunegaming

7 күн бұрын

I quit not because of the rampant stability issues but because the developers are totally incapable of making a functional friends list. I got people on there that I don't want on there and it's literally impossible to remove them, and every time there's a new patch I eagerly check the known issues and find it's still not fixed and give up

@mishukzoo

7 күн бұрын

Yeah a couple months ago I never experiences any crashes but now it happens almost daily

TLDR: - No progression past purchasing all stratagem's + equipment & unlocks - Sony dumbassery with region locking steam players - No weapon customization / improvement system - Balanced weapons instead of power fantasy against hordes of enemies The ultimate irony is, if you spend money to buy any of the premium passes, you are ironically paying to lose because grinding premium credits in missions is the ONLY long term progression that really exists right now in game. You also have no guarantee the equipment you purchase will be balanced and fun anytime soon if it isn't immediately so.

@shoulderpyro

5 күн бұрын

made me laugh with the warbond one, cus its way too true (x New warbond drops. One gun outta 3 is actually very fun to use. Everyone starts using it, because its fun! And then in comes alexis or whatever his name is: "too many people use this gun!" and proceeds to nerf it into borderline unuseability. I am reminded of both the Eruptor and original Railgun. Among others. ...man i miss that railgun

@loafofbread9400

5 күн бұрын

game shouldnt rely on new content to retain players, the gameplay itself isnt fun

@SekiberiusWelkesh

5 күн бұрын

@@loafofbread9400 It used to be fun. But then they decided the game was "too easy" so they equally turned everything into peashooters instead of buffing the 90% of weapons that were so bad they were a joke. Some of these weapons, even after all of the nerfs and buffs still are absolute garbage, like the Las pistol. They couldn't balance their way out of a carboard box.

@EddieDubs

4 күн бұрын

That's not even a little bit ironic.

I still can't repurchase Helldivers 2 because of the PSN restrictions across like 120+ countries. I don't think Sony wants Helldivers 2 & Arrowhead to succeed

@Diminisherrr

8 күн бұрын

The failure is entirely on Arrowhead. They were in the middle of a CEO transfer during HD2 launch and they constantly messed up every single possible thing with how to handle their sucsess.

@thecommenter9678

8 күн бұрын

Your situation is why i refuse to start playing again. While it does not "effect" me it is in my power to take action. So i haven't played since i found out they delisted the countries without PSN as a last ***k you to the community for opposing them.

@nimbusws2566

7 күн бұрын

I'm "lucky" enough to be in an affected country but did not refund immediately, so it's still in my steam library. However, it's lost its appeal to me since I intended to invite a handful of my friends into the game. Sadly, they are also from my country. And none of them had purchased the game yet before it became unavailable to us.

@xblackxabyssx1983

7 күн бұрын

@@thecommenter9678 this is the same reason i have not played either uninstalled when all the PSN shit happened cause i knew sony was lying through their teeth and thought it was stupid when people fell for it and started changing their reviews based only on a twitter post and not on actual behavior and actions they took

@midnightwolfwarrior

7 күн бұрын

Sony wants to control the market. It is the only goal they care about.

It's grains of sand that maker a heap, from the exploits of our "bringer of balance"; the heated adventures of the discord mods; the interesting approach to communication by some devs, to the stealth nerfs and era of the peashooters. Normal decline plays a role, but they were aiding its course.

Technical issues are the problem for me. The list of bugs is growing, and the friends list still does not work. I'd play a lot moee if it actually worked more.

@membranealpha5961

8 күн бұрын

same here. there are entire systems in the game that just don't work and settings options that do nothing.

@thehdost7348

8 күн бұрын

Agree, bugs are the worst. Gameplay is great but there are just too many technical issues. Bought the game at release back in february and never been able to add my friends on different platforms, thats wild. This just adds to the hundreds of time where you die to bugs, glitch through structures, fall under the map and many, many, many crashes…

@IncognitoActivado

8 күн бұрын

Remove directx 12 and use directx 11 instead.

@IncognitoActivado

8 күн бұрын

@@membranealpha5961 Remove directx 12 and use directx 11 instead.

@IncognitoActivado

8 күн бұрын

@@thehdost7348 Remove directx 12 and use directx 11 instead.

Never thought about this, but 'concurrency' as a measure is an interesting phenomenon. It's easy to think that it's not the same as player counts. So you may think that it's related to game-hours.... but it's not even that. It's OVERLAPPING game-hours. 10 random people playing 6 hours a day have a high-chance of overlapping playtimes. The same 10 random people playing 2 hours a day have a MUCH less chance of over-lapping -- much less than even 66% less chance than before that the numbers might indicate. So, in that hypothetical scenario, you didn't change the player numbers at all. There's still 10 "players". You changed the game-hours they play by ~66%. But you changed the "concurrency" by something probably greater than ~85%. Note that I'm not saying there's not a huge reduction in ACTUAL players, just that different measures can imply very different things and "concurrency" is extraordinarily misleading.

@nebufabu

8 күн бұрын

For multiplayer games it makes sense, both from a player standpoint (how likely I'm to find someone to play with/against?) and the company's (how much infrastructure we need?) It's weird in a single-player games, but being one of a few metrics of that kind that's publicly available, I guess there's little choice.

@itsPoddington

7 күн бұрын

You'll often see the spikes relate to times of the day in different areas with overlapping be before school/work and after school/work.

@TheThreeDGrasshopper

7 күн бұрын

Ty for this comment. Helped further elaborate my comprehension of this.

These kind of stories are always so silly when they are fully disected in context.

@krspaceT1

8 күн бұрын

I remember making jokes about Pokémon Go, the dead game with 8 million active players a few years back

@DieselRamcharger

8 күн бұрын

helldivers has 34,000 players online on a saturday night. its dead. pubg which is an ooollllddddd game by this point currently has 208,000 players online. how bout them apples?

@mrsasquatch4828

8 күн бұрын

​@DieselRamcharger ummmm.... my guy pubg is free.... You got an orange in your apples there bud.

@Metranomix

8 күн бұрын

@@DieselRamcharger I was online on Saturday and saw 90k. What are you smoking?

@KPX01

8 күн бұрын

@@DieselRamcharger it is still way less popular than pubg when it start, how about you pull the highest number for pubg? bet you are going to see the same amount of player drop. You want a truly dead game? suicide squad with about 500 player even then the game is still playable. A live service is truly dead when 0 player and the service is dead, otherwise is just a niche game.

No shit they removed the game from being played in 150 countries

@dscrt5

8 күн бұрын

No, they reverted that. My country was on the list of those games.

@nom6758

8 күн бұрын

@@dscrt5 no they didnt. People in those countries still cant buy the game.

@emikochan13

8 күн бұрын

@@dscrt5 you can still play if you already had the game, but you can't buy it anymore.

@dscrt5

8 күн бұрын

@@Castigar48 yeah but that shouldn't affect numbers dropping in such huge margin. That just affects the influx of new players.

@dragongrandmaster

8 күн бұрын

my thoughts exactly

I moved on after the moderation staff and community rules in game got more and more draconian and authoritarian. I don't feel like I'm standing alongside fellow soldiers with similar goals, I feel like I'm concerned about not stepping on any toes or eggshells. Adress the power tripping staff, and I'll happily get back into the fight.

Another reason was player killers, you would spend 30 minutes completing the goals then the host would boot the rest of the team in final 30 seconds as drop ship came to pick you up. Happened two days in a row. Solution delete game as my time is valuable and I felt like I was wasting it on this game

Besides the issue with what Sony did...The silly cap on samples, slips and medals and not enough new thing. The constant: take over a planet and right after we end up having to defend it again..over and over and over... Take over these 5 planets, completed with 3 days left...in the 3 days left we end up defending the entire sector and take over new planets. Not even thinking about the amount of players left that still try it

@osric729

8 күн бұрын

Don't forget the constant nerfing of anything strong and fun. Last time I played everything just felt disappointing.

@TheKillianKanVT

8 күн бұрын

@@osric729 they did buff a lot of things in last big patch and fixed spear, which is now one of the most powerful rocket weapons. But it's still a long way to go.

@yusriyahbagheri8843

8 күн бұрын

Yeah the wars of the first game it felt more meaningfull the push pull was still there but getting a mission accomplished you could actually push the faction back. This new system is so damn random and up to the game master you just feel annoyed. When the automotins came back in bulk after their defeat it was awsome to see their invation. Then we pushed the same few planets over and over again. Bugs have a similar problem events are aweome. Then it just dies down and becomes fight for this same planet over and over. How many major orders are the exact same thing on the same planet? Our enemies seem artificially limmited and obviusly are incabable of reaching super earth until the devs make it so. Bug players should have been able to kill them many months ago just with how many people were diving. And the bots should have been able to branch out into a real problem by now because the lack of divers keeping them in check. The first game you could actually lose the war. If one faction pushed hard they could threaten the whole game.

@lutherheggs451

8 күн бұрын

There is no "issue that Sony did" fucks sake im so sick of people who seem to conveniently ignore that it was announced BEFORE launch that it was going to require linking to a FREE PSN account. The day of launch it was literally one of the first screens except it was put on hold until May 30th so you were able to skip it. Im sorry but stupidity, ignorance and lack of attention are NEVER a valid excuse for anything. How shocking that you would have to link to a PSN account to play a Sony game on Sony servers. But since some "special" people love to cry about it 100 other companies all force the exact same account link and people sound so god damned ignorant when they hurrrr PSN gets hacked daily...Protip; it was breached ONCE in 2009/2010 15 years ago and I hate to break it to you but alot of things get breached daily your just not told. Computer competent people can hack anything. Ask Microsoft they were hacked daily for an entire year and blamed it on their customers, only to find out it was because MS allowed unlimited attempts through their website and even a half assed brute force can figure out any password with unlimited attempts

@bejammin2000

8 күн бұрын

The caps exist for a reason. Just look at Destiny 2. There currency is uncapped and every season, inevitably: Everything costs millions, so new players can't progress.

Helldivers 2 desperately needs more meta-progression. The ship modules and stratagems aren't enough - a lot of players already have everything maxed. We need long term clan objectives and upgrades.

Game has no content and got "balanced" into dust. Their "vision" for the game is miserable = no player base.

The Developers' desire to make the game terrible to play rather than how it felt to play on release was my main reason for leaving. The PlayStation drama gave further negative association. Like does Sony not like ALL OF THE MONEY?! Why on earth would they limit sales in regions not restricted by local governments?

The devs actually expected the game to only have around what they have now, they exploded way more than they thought they would. Players also dont understand that not all games have to have massive amounts of content being pumped into them at all times, its not meant to be a game that keeps you playing forever, its just meant to be a fun horde shooter. I dont understand how so many people cant see that. just play the game and have fun whenever you want to, like, why do we have to say the game is dead or not, just fuckin play whatever you want!

@Arphalia

8 күн бұрын

Because people are stupid.

@FriesGuyy

8 күн бұрын

The devs even expected around 20k players. We’re still at above 30k everyday. Helldivers is definitely not dead. For Super Earth!

@Baldeagle-tw2nv

8 күн бұрын

People are mainly complaining about how they STILL have issues that have been around since launch and STILL haven't been fixed. The balancing is STILL terrible, and the ONLY reason why recent buffs happened was because the moron in charge of balancing got overruled. Not to mention the pure bs on the war map that's happened the last two major orders, like several planets under 100% control turning to 100% bug overnight and planets that were mostly liberated suddenly went back to 0% that night. The program running the map needs to be tweaked fast, or people are going to start ignoring major orders and do what they want. It'll be funny if either the bugs or bots make it next to Super Earth to suddenly have their progress reset by the program since no one tried to stop them.

@ShadowPhoenixMaximus

8 күн бұрын

It plays more like an extraction game where you complete random objectives and occasionally have to deal with a horde

@DoesNotInhale

8 күн бұрын

cope

The main thing you have not covered is that the game design of Helldivers 2 is extremely shallow. The only longterm progression system in the game is upgrading your ship which only has a fixed number of upgrades, as a result a LOT of players have no reason to return. There is no gear progression, Destiny 2 has gear creep every season so there is a reason to return every season, same can be said for games like WOW and other small group MMOs. Even Warframe has gear creep every Update with a new playable Warframe as well as systems, Helldivers is extremely static with no long term progression.

@aaronlaughter6471

7 күн бұрын

Hell to add Swtor in as an MMO, it has 8 different stories and classes. HD2 has....... what some would call a story if you bashed your head in with a rock a few times.

@FilthEffect

6 күн бұрын

Warbonds .......

@-chip-3651

2 күн бұрын

I want to disagree but you're right it's fun but super shallow after id say hour 10 of playing (least for me)

Honestly, there is just not enough depth to justify playing after you have unlocked and played with all the different stratagems and weapons.

Be advised, PSN requirement is still listed on the steam page, they can't remove it without losing the ability to say to buyers, "it said it clearly on the store page" This can ONLY mean after all this time to remove it, that they intend to force it on you anyway.

Tons of people also lost access to it when that psn nonsense happened

@Mr.LeoNov

8 күн бұрын

Nah, they reverted that. But now these 150 countries can't buy the game which slows down the player base expansion

@720jlconner

8 күн бұрын

@@Mr.LeoNov no they didn't. People in 121 countries that bought the game are now unable to log in. Look it up.

@Mr.LeoNov

8 күн бұрын

@@720jlconner well I don't know about that because my country is on the block list (and that is RUSSIA of all places, mind) but I'm still able to log in and play the game 🤨

@polca4love

8 күн бұрын

​@@720jlconner In theory, people i the restricted area who bought the game before that crap can still play the game. But no new players in those countries since the game is no longer sold there.

@-chip-3651

2 күн бұрын

​@@720jlconneryeah but those countries were promised a refund I would see if you can get yours

Sony and the HD2 Discord Mods caused the hype to die.

@ivanmonahhov2314

8 күн бұрын

Its a very repetetive game. Lvl 54

@JetBalrog

8 күн бұрын

No idea what happened on Discord, but I stopped playing in the middle of the big debacle with Sony. Partially because *of* that, but also because.... I can't stay with one game for incredibly long. I've kept it installed, but... eh. I just haven't really gone back in. Of course, I also have ADHD and even with my meds I still have hyperfocus issues.

@J01789

8 күн бұрын

​@@ivanmonahhov2314What game isn't repetitive?

@ivanmonahhov2314

8 күн бұрын

@@J01789 Single player plot driven games are not and RPGs with extremely complicated skill systems ( I like experimenting with builds )

@RookMeAmadeus

8 күн бұрын

@@JetBalrog TL;DR: Most of the discord mods on their servers completely and utterly failed to do their jobs. From just not doing anything to actually moderate discussions, to power tripping and banning people they don't like...to one specific mod who literally accused people of felony crimes openly and without proof, and then started banning people who didn't like when they tried to push...furry NSFW content.

I quit after baconator banned me from discord. This was two weeks prior to the Sony announcement of psn

There's always such a rush to declare things "dead" or "dying" these days. Is it a hope to be ahead of "the next big thing"?

@shieldphaser

8 күн бұрын

It gets clicks, and that's the only thing the journos care about.

@Coconut-219

7 күн бұрын

​@@shieldphaser "I'm not wrong it's the kids who are out of touch!"

I believe it. In addition to what Sony did, they also have activist community managers who have banned most players.

They're still 40,000 concurrent players. Is that what's considered dying nowadays?

@krspaceT1

8 күн бұрын

GaaS have warped perspectives on things

@markobucevic8991

8 күн бұрын

Yes. Also most of the week ot hovers around 33k

@SpottedHares

8 күн бұрын

For a service that is extremely concerning

@hawtboyo69

8 күн бұрын

I think the whole thing of losing 90% of your playerbase is the issue, not that you have 40,000 people playing, the story is that there used to be 400,000 players more playing that isn't playing anymore. The game is in no way dead but it has gone from a hundred million dollar game to a 10 million dollar game, which is kinda significant.

@kokorochacarero8003

8 күн бұрын

​@@SpottedHaresHow so? Do you own stock on the company?

I still think Sony made most of this happen , also no one wants politics in a game that just wont work very well

@xblackxabyssx1983

7 күн бұрын

problem is they are all coping saying it wasn't trying to say it was already on the decline ignoring the fact it speed balled it and then sony lied to get the reviews turned around but never followed through by keeping every one locked out in those other countries and the lemmings think its only third world countries cause they have never been outside of their home town most of the time and don't realize that sony is not as big is they want every one to think as most of the countries on the planet dont have access to the PSN network as its in a minority of countries compared to xbox but cause they are shills they will never admit this fact cause its too hard of a pill for them to swallow that PC gaming and Xbox have a bigger footprint their their exclusives console that no one wants

It's been 5 months. It's a live service. They haven't added much in the way of gameplay other than new weapons every month. It's surprises me that people think that this isn't a normal thing that happens with almost every game.

I just hate how grindy it is. I have a job already and don't want a second one

@Rocket_Devastator

8 күн бұрын

Well to be fair it’s not. Unlike many other live service games there’s no FOMO, so take all the time in the world to complete stuff. It’ll always be there

@siegfread9683

8 күн бұрын

​@Rocket_Devastator that's not what was being said at all. Even without fomo it's grindy as hell. With randoms I tend to average 5 to 8 common samples per mission because they didn't want to push samples. So we are looking at 10ish 40 minute games for one unlock. That's not quite a work day worth of time investment. Under best case scenarios playing with friends we push around 15 or so over around an hour long game. That's still 5 hours to unlock one item. Fomo doesn't matter, the progression speed feels bad.

@Eltener123

8 күн бұрын

@@Rocket_Devastator I don't think you understand what grinding even is. If you had to walk around in tall grass for 5 hours in a pokemon game because the progression curve wasn't tuned properly and there's no other way to beat the next gym, that would be grindy as hell even if the gym isn't going anywhere

@sephiroth8377

7 күн бұрын

Im a father with a 50 hour work week, until tier 5 ship modules I unlocked everything and was capped on loot. AH is very generous with loot, I stick to level 8 missions mostly and will solo roam for the samples

@Coconut-219

7 күн бұрын

This (on top of the fact that it's inherently deceptive) is why I hate game mechanics *designed to waste your time* purely for the purpose of inflating the game's "playtime" to appease some corporate clowns who don't know anything about designing a game, stretching existing content thinner and thinner with grindy meta progression and locking content into "season passes". Not only is it monotonous but it also kills the sense of progression, content pacing, and balance if done poorly. "Good" games don't have to 'trick' people into continuing to play them.

It would be more concerning if the same Players never got off the hamster wheel-addiction.

On the subject of PSN, since that day "This item is currently unavailable in your region" is what I get, so I guess I can never be a new player

I still see my Steam friends who were playing the game at launch still logging in to play it. The frequency is down but I still see the notifications.

As of today, I haven’t played helldivers 2, for two weeks because of multiple reasons. The Sony dilema about joining the PS Network; the banning of players been ban from Reddit because we didn’t want no gay politics in the game; and finally, the nerfing of my guns and gears… I was at a high enough level that I had acquired all the gear and so I just uninstalled the game completely from my pc and Won’t be going back.

@thenombinary9099

3 күн бұрын

they were banning both sides of the gay shit, they are keeping politics out of the game in general, I am gay and support that myself, I don't want that in helldivers it just creates more hate and divides the community more, Both sides take it too far Lgbtq+ people don't need representation in every game if the creator wants to or doesn't tough shit, And so does the anti gay side Iv been killed for my username and harassed in the voice chat its a game don't take it so serious, but yeah all the other issues are valid AF

I get to see this in Path of Exile Every 3 months. Massive spike at league launch followed by a solid month or 2 of 1/10 the launch numbers. its not until the 3rd month when nearly everybody burnt out that you really notice the smaller player numbers and that is more because those players have less reason to trade by that point.

Today we learn things that are not evergreen, are not evergreen.

Just one thing it's not that Sony mandated the psn it's that Sony the publisher sold it on steam and didn't tell steam not to sell it in X countries that ofc can't make psn accounts so it was Sony's fault from the start

Its just insane the amount of bugs the game still has even after launch, that's what's been killing it for me.

I wouldn't call it dying. Vermintide 2 has been surviving for several years with only 2k-5k consecutive players every day. But I always felt HD2 was going to fall off once people get tired of these incredibly generic and repetitive maps. One thing that kept people going in Vermintide 2 is how varied the different maps are.

@Sorrowdusk

8 күн бұрын

Was Verminitide procedural generated at all?

@DoesNotInhale

8 күн бұрын

it fell off from the massive overhaul nerfs. not the PSN thing. if you follow the daily player count graphs from before to the start of the railgun nerf you'll see it f*cked them in the ass more than the PSN sign in.

Helldivers 2 has a hard cap on levels, resources, upgrades, and medals. Whenever a New Warbond or patch is released, there is generally renewed interest. However once the players max that out, the Galactic War doesn't really provide much motivation for prolonged play.

After playing through all the difficulties, there wasn't much else to do. My friends and i stopped playing after a day.

When I joined the game it got some sort of patch that made it "worse" then introduced a bug where i couldnt play with friends (still never have) so i left after 30hrs

They still haven't fixed the PSN issue.

@gamerbeast3616

8 күн бұрын

they have lol

@OzixiThrill

3 күн бұрын

@@gamerbeast3616 Removing countries that are not compatible and doubling down on the PSN integration is not "fixing" the issue.

@-chip-3651

2 күн бұрын

​@@OzixiThrillI'm pretty sure they offered refunds to countries where PSN is not available. As for the locking out it's shitty , they own the product however

@OzixiThrill

2 күн бұрын

@@-chip-3651 Doesn't suddenly mean that the PSN situation has been fixed. Also - "they own the product however" - Instead of going "Meh, it is what it is", maybe consider not being taken for a ride several times a month by corporations. Would improve things greatly and very rapidly.

@OzixiThrill

2 күн бұрын

@@-chip-3651 So much wrong in you response. First, it got nuked (or you deleted it, either or). Second, I never bought the game. The anti-cheat they used stunk to high heavens and I took a wait-and-see approach to the game. Saved me several back-wounds. Third, being factually correct on one part of a topic does not make any and all claims and conclusions you make on it automatically correct. Your nihilistic approach of just accepting it and silently moving on will continue the pattern of things becoming worse. Finally, for me, gaming is a hobby. I do not like it when companies try to make things worse for everyone in said hobby. So I open my gob and try to remind people to have some bloody standards. PS - I could continue on, but dissecting everything wrong your comment had would rapidly turn into a novel-writing competition.

I'm surprised there are even that many players in the game still. I got the jist of progression and the overall game loop after watching other people play it for around 2 hours, and frankly it never seemed worth the cost.

I've got 200 hours in Helldivers 2, and here's some thoughts. The game is still fun to play, the story is really good, but it's dripped out slowly. When I started playing it had a lot of "number go up" good endorphins, but the moment you've unlocked everything that kind of dies. The variety of gameplay in helldivers is quite narrow. There's a large range of missions, but they all feel like "go to the point, hit this sequence of arrows at a terminal, go to the next point" with occasional "fight a bunch of bugs while doing this" - but the fighting bugs is the same experience as just walking around, so a mission of "kill 400 bugs" doesn't feel different to a mission of "carry this hard drive over there and hit the button" - when you compare it to (say) Deep Rock Galactic, there just isn't as much variety there to keep it interesting. The game is still worth the cost of entry as long as you play it with friends,. You can get 50 hours of fun out of this easily. Not every game needs to be a perpetual live service slog. If you just compare it to regular non-live-service games, it's a reasonably good value prospect. If millions of players buy a game, play it for 50 hours and have fun, then move on, that should be considered a huge success. It's this AAA Forever-Game Live-Service mentality that brands it as a failure. You didn't make all the money in the universe? You didn't make as much money as Minecraft or Fortnite? FAILURE FAILURE FAILURE this game is a catastrophe, let's all point and laugh.

i waiting for the illuminate

It's not dying. People and content creators need to stop being alarmists with their clickbait.

I mean, it was expected to have only 100k players at its overall peak, so it’s a bit of a stretch to call this game ‘dead’… it was more of an unexpected success, and the game simply entered its ‘normal’ state. The current playerbase is what HD2 is supposed to have Suicide squad, on the other hand…

I think that a lot of gamer don’t realize that “monogaming” a live service is like getting into a relationship. Way to many people are signing up for a multi-year commitments but don’t realize the game was initially fun because it was in a growth phase and when it becomes time for the developer to start putting in content at a sustainable pace and bringing in a sustainable amount of income things aren’t going to be like they were. What we really need a Peer to peer muli player game revolution. No more live services with developer babysitting. Epic doesn’t support unreal tournament '99 but you can still find a lobby to this day. The “new content” live services provide is never anywhere near what people’s expectations are.

ohhhh nooooOOOOOoooooOOOOO 46k concurrent players? tHe GaMe iS dEaD!!!11 So sick of this ridiculous discourse.

@aaronlaughter6471

7 күн бұрын

I mean cope all you want, the game is just going to keep bleeding players.

@-chip-3651

2 күн бұрын

​@@aaronlaughter6471or it will fluxuiate like a lot of life service games. They still have funding and big updates planned I'd check once the 3rd faction releases

Sony's actions definitely soured my taste for the game killed the hype around it abit but thats not to say there wasn't other issues e.g content and balance on weapons in the game plus games just drop off over time but ya Sony's actions defo didnt help probably fastened the drop for people

There are new ship modules, but they weren't announced in the patch notes. They are also pretty good; all of them work and add lots of power and quality of life improvements.

I have 600 hours and I’m still addicted

Its one of those games that can get samey after a while and you take a bit of a break. And then come back to it and enjoy yourself once more.

People who think a game played by 30k people is dead or dying have never seen what 30k people look like in one place in real life.

@ShadowPhoenixMaximus

8 күн бұрын

Its a term invented by gaming tourists that hop between the latest games

@DieselRamcharger

8 күн бұрын

lmao the games dead. the player count drops every week. pubg is 7 years old and has 208,000 players on right now. with a 24 hour peak of 700,000. helldivers is dead and gone. rip.

@systemicbreakdown7864

8 күн бұрын

@@DieselRamcharger oh, is that why i can find a game in a few seconds on any difficulty on any available planet? And PvP games always had more pull than Co-Op PvE. Game being dead is in the eye of the beholder, Helldivers 1 is pretty damn playable with peak player counts in the hundreds. If you can't have fun knowing you're not one out of a small country's population of players... Oh well?

@63Limar

8 күн бұрын

Eve online still kicking with these numbers.

@systemicbreakdown7864

8 күн бұрын

Lots of games are kicking with far less players. Helldivers 2 is made in such a way where it can be easily playable with half of what it has, actually, I think the game was built around them expecting 10k concurrent players. Helldivers 2 is imo a victim of it's own success. Also, the game is one big content update and a sale away from getting 100k easily. It has a big endgame & progression issue, a ton of players just... Did everything and been everywhere, there's waiting for a right moment to come back and have things to do and see.

Truth be told as a player: I’m simply taking a short break and I’ll be back in full force in a couple of months. I’ll probably log in for 2-3 days around each warbond to play a bit as well. Also what I’m noticing from my friends is that they tend to play less games around summer, so its normal to have a drop in the player base.

The game has an excellent foundation. It needs more content and progression. New stuff to do and new toys to play with, with new stuff to work towards.

How about you dont ban people in an official discord who think that a mod shouldn't be posting gay furry art on a Helldivers 2 official discord. And also how about not making it so that a single mention of a term 'identity politics' gets you an instant reprimand too.

Honestly, the reason my friends stopped playing as much is because AH isn't working on removing the things which are annoying. Procedurally generated maps with giant ass cliffs that require you to spend ten minutes hiking around them to get to the objective are annoying. Earthquakes and snow and bushes and cacti and slime balls and smoke bulbs and the other ten thousand things which slow you down are annoying. Smoke and fog and rain and the other dozen effects which reduce visibility are annoying. We're at the point where one of us will log on and see if there's a planet worth playing on. And if there isn't, we go play deep rock.

Summer vacations are legally protected here in Sweden. Because if we weren't allowed to enjoy the very short and beautiful summer we would all go crazy

Honestly, if the game became available in the countries without PSN the numbers would probably recover a bit. Because while a drop a in players is normal thousands of people losing access to the game, because the PSN isn't available in their country, is going to definitely affect concurrency. At least in my opinion. I think Bellular has the right of it as well though.

Arrowhead letting Sony manhandle them at the beginning and killing "OP" weapons in a PVE game is what's the main bothersome

@sephiroth8377

7 күн бұрын

It's seems we're a bit split on that one... I get everyone wants thier favourite boom stick to do everything which makes the game easier and more accessible to players but then I'm in the group that enjoyed the nerfs and changes that forced us to use team work in the higher levels... I want the "Dark souls" of FPS games and prefer this game to be harder to force us to use team work more, every other shooter wants to make me godlike and hold my hand from start to finish

@FAD4LIFE94

5 күн бұрын

​@@sephiroth8377 lol well have fun with that Im sick of their shitty balanced game and havent played in like 4 months with no plans to pick it back up anytime soon.

@sephiroth8377

5 күн бұрын

@@FAD4LIFE94 Yeah, harder games aren't for everyone. Even now I think the game is still too easy even running troll builds like all Turrets. I think the Devs need to decide if they want to make the game harder or make it like every other FPS

@FAD4LIFE94

5 күн бұрын

@sephiroth8377 the game was never hard lol. Its just not fun anymore. Why unlock new weapons when what you currently have continues to be better than every release? Why would I want to use a shitty gun just because the animation/fire rate etc is different? Id rather they just came up with smarter more difficult enemies instead of releasing bullshit weapons that add no meaningful changes to gameplay

@FAD4LIFE94

5 күн бұрын

If they finally release the new faction Ill probably check it out again but if the guns are all still shit Ill probably forget about the game

I quit playing because the constant crashes and how little damage the guns do even with the new patch

@notknownlogic4161

8 күн бұрын

its like they punish you for having fun.

@simonphoenix3789

8 күн бұрын

yeah their decisions on balancing aren't great. You have some really powerful weapons and a whole bunch of horrible ones. Assault rifles especially. I was hoping they would fix them but for some reason they can't seem to get it right. Still, I've been enjoying myself since the last update made the heavy machine gun really powerful.

@mikrobyo1790

8 күн бұрын

the crashes, the bugs and glitches, performance issues

@ZombieWolfe

8 күн бұрын

Not to mention the stuck on the hell pod screen

@nitrumlegal7470

8 күн бұрын

some guns do more damage than before, at this point its a skill issue

I work in this industry and server counts are not Unique player account counts 6 million players could still be playing, but only for 10 minutes at a time instead of 2 hours, if they are not having fun they log off. Unique player counts across all play sessions in a day versus current server counts are completely different counts. Example: 24 players Each play 4 hours concurrently at different times gives you server counts of 4 each player overlaps with another set of players for 4 hours. Each play an hour on the server at diffrent times gives you server counts of 1 . Each player plays an ablut hour when free. Server counts through out the day can be as high as 24 throughout the day multiple times if they go for shorter sessions or longer ones but one hour could have as many as 24 players if they are all in game at the same time. All three of these examples are sample utilization patterns that show why just server counts dont explain player behaivor. The server counts are used for server load evaluations as a operational standard not for demographic analyisys as much due to lack of distinct counts of the universes population. Now servers do know unique counts of players and frequency of session and percentage of engagement. (how often we log in and what do we do when we log in) and that can drive your retention strategies.

@xblackxabyssx1983

7 күн бұрын

ive tried explaining that to people as a former IT they just dont get it and dont care cause they want to cope

@mymindnoturs2286

2 күн бұрын

@@xblackxabyssx1983 well thank you for responding at least someone understands

Here’s my opinion there’s so many live service games and people only have so much money and so much time in the end I don’t think any of these live service games will win 😢

Weapon balance ruined it for me. I just wanted to have fun in a pve game with friends, but they were going so hard on the weapon balance as if it was an esport.

@gamerbeast3616

8 күн бұрын

they buffed them awhile ago

@Hiroth86

8 күн бұрын

​@@gamerbeast3616 I know, they nerfed weapons by 90% and gave 10% back, still sucks.

I feel really bad about not being able to play it. I enjoyed it so much, but my job called and it’s been way too busy recently. I hope I can get back to it soon.

Sony excuse is dumb. People stopped playing because the game is a slog and devs kept nerfing. Then there's the sea of idiots that gaslight anyone who tries to bring it up.

The numbers are fine. A player base of 30-40k is pretty healthy. However, I believe the drop-off happened too soon, and the game should have maintained higher numbers for a bit longer, especially since it’s relatively new-barely 6 months old. Issues like poorly implemented nerfs, game breaking bugs, the Sony debacle, and Sony banning sales in 177 countries prematurely took their toll.

Hmm.... Did the population go up or down during the review bombing over needing to maybe link a PS account? Or did it start to fall off after nerf, after nerf, after nerf?

@Shadare

8 күн бұрын

I feel like this is the narrative that has been lost in the sauce. I bought the game after they dropped the patch with some actual buffs in it. I think they'll figure this thing out in the end. They know how to learn, they know how to process feedback. 6 months is nothing for a company that size.

@anorouch

8 күн бұрын

Downplaying locking 3/4 of the planet from playing yer game is apparently really easy. You just need to distract from the issue entirely while lying.

@mrsmith5114

8 күн бұрын

@@anorouch Downplaying? Locking out? Tell me the stats, while telling me NO one got locked out from playing who already bought the game. Thanks.

@mrsmith5114

8 күн бұрын

@@Shadare True. Stay for the buffs, run from the discord mods. That's the new motto :)

@Shadare

8 күн бұрын

@anorouch We can dispute whether or not it SHOULD be the case, but economically speaking, I think I can confidently say that 75% of the planet is a rounding error if not an actual liability. Their only hope of power in industries like this lies in influencing activity in the other 25%.

Non-issue. The game has 40K players still. It was not a AAA title. They sold more than 8 million copies. This game succeeded whether people acknowledge it or not. People will come back whenever there is new content. This is not news worthy and the game media is trying to make it sound like it is. No game keeps 90% of its audience.

@Mr.LeoNov

8 күн бұрын

Yeah, my thoughts exactly I play Insurgency Sandstorm for like 4 years, this game has 2-3k of players every day, but it's still not dead. There are a lot of newcomers to this game and the veterans a retiring form playing it, but the game is still pretty much alive and fun to play So 40k for Helldivers 2 is not an issue whatsoever

@aaronlaughter6471

7 күн бұрын

It is, it went from 200K to 30K, and loosing more each day. Now I know the cope is strong, but 200K is bigger the 30K player wise.

@Suren0

5 күн бұрын

@@aaronlaughter6471 lol what cope?? the game sold 8 million. those coping are saying the game is dead, and it's not even close? soon as the Illuminate comes in you'll see the base return again for a month and then leave again, as it is with every damn game. They already got their money for the 8 year developpement time.

@-chip-3651

2 күн бұрын

​@@aaronlaughter6471normally I'd agree but considering you only need 4 players for a match im not too worried

its not dying this is standard for most games

A part of a live service business model success is its ability to bring in and keep new players and already existing players.

There is nothing wrong with it. New games are coming out, and we wanna play them.

they expected 40k at launch day and now sit at 40k daily. i think they are doing more than fine tbh

@DieselRamcharger

8 күн бұрын

theyve lost 60% of their online players in the past month. the game is cratering. they expected 40k at launch and sit at 30k daily. thats not growth.

@feralforlorn

7 күн бұрын

the fact that u speak of growth when you say they are sitting at 3 times the players they expected at this point aint really making a point

its just annoying to play, the most optimal way to play is not fight ad run away and the AT situation on the bug front is back to square one with the behemoth chargers. Buffing bot accuracy is also annoying when the gatling devastators already do lots of suppression. The game mandates movement but half the support weapons require you to stay still to reload.

The gameplay loop is so good, we just need incentive to keep playing. Long term progression. Even just grinding rare samples for the new upgrades is making it more playable.

Sony completely killed the momentum with their psn bs then the devs released 3 lame buggy updates

At the beginning, this game felt like Starship Trooper. You would kill and die in silly ways. Then the new vision came in and made the game grindy. You could only kill stuff a certain way or with certain weapon which really draw me away. Then the PSN stuff happened and that was the nail in the coffin for me.

@BlackTempleGaurdian

8 күн бұрын

You might be pleased to know stuff is starting to feel strong again, now the CEO said "alright, you've fucked up enough that I'm taking over myself" to the people in charge of balance.

It would be better to state the percentage of owners that currently play the game.

why are ppl surprised? they have been drip feeding content, which is mostly paid content, with no new enemies or maps or anything. Its quite ridiculous they are surprised ppl dont want all the fun nerfed out of the game like they keep doing with the weapon/strategem changes.

I guess they got tired of getting kicked by toxic honest, disconnected from matches, crashing, the rat race of buffs and nerfs, the tedious monetization, the dragging of feet with regards to actual content.

I would love to purchase and play HD2, but Sony's inaction to truly reverse course means I will not.

@aaronlaughter6471

7 күн бұрын

Your honestly not missing anything, game is overhyped to high heaven.

I really started to ignore any big headlines for games I play. Its about my fun in the game and nothing else. All I think that is important is, that the game keeps on giving and the people behind the game see a reason to continue.

They added even more ship upgrades recently and the grind is real. 250 uncommon samples is painfully slow to get and now we need to do it 5 times over x), if you were maxed before you've still got plenty left to do. Most of those upgrades are solid as well, like giving target priority to mortars is actually huge.

Helldivers 2 is a game that accepts you will come back to it time to time. Imagine. A game that respects your time.

@notknownlogic4161

8 күн бұрын

if that is your definition of respecting your time, then yes go right ahead and keep playing a game with very very little depth to it. (When compared to Destiny 2 or Warframe or any other mmo this games falls off a LOT.)

@olchum7605

8 күн бұрын

@@notknownlogic4161 Even with all its issues I'd rather have 3-4 Helldivers like games that I can rotate at my leisure rather than engage with the braindead grindy slop you just mentioned.

@Cecil97

8 күн бұрын

if they respected my time they wouldn't have every new module cost half your max sample. All these long grinds for a passive is not satisfying. Its not that they respect your time, they just lack anything to add without breaking the game.

@Sorrowdusk

8 күн бұрын

​@@notknownlogic4161 I had 1600 hours in Warframe. BUT Warframe has it's own problems.

What is the 90% they lost were the people not paying for stuff? 🤔

for me a key part is if the individual has an intention of playing the game again e.g. 'on a break' i've played destiny, warframe, elite dangerous but i've left those games so its a past tense. I'm a player of ff14, but that doesn't mean i play it every week, i can go months of not playing it but i know i'm going to go back to it at some point.

Sony have killed the golden goose. Most disappointing is that this game was incredibly popular not long ago. What goes up must fall down, immediately, in 5 months. -That PSN account is one of the nails in the coffin- . Edit: I was wrong, it is the lack of maintaining of the game.

@emikochan13

8 күн бұрын

the account issue had no effect, it's lack of content patches.

@krspaceT1

8 күн бұрын

Sony already took Nintendo's censorship crown. Maybe they'll take the internet issue crown next

@Whatssmoking

8 күн бұрын

That's hard to take from EA

@SpottedHares

8 күн бұрын

Is that why we see no significant drop off and players during that time. Or are we living in your delusional fantasy land?

@Sawyer1982OAC

8 күн бұрын

@@ghb323didn’t you watch the video?

So is democracy. Coincidence?

@Mr.LeoNov

8 күн бұрын

The "Joe Biden caused Helldivers 2 videogame to collapse!" headline when?

The game is doing ok. But when they release major patches they need to avoid breaking the game. The technical issues are hurting it badly.

The Discord server has became too toxic because of the mods trying to play PR/HR

When the Illuminate returns they'll be back, and in greater numbers

@BellularNews

8 күн бұрын

yuuuup

Its so weird that you guys like exclusively cover silly shit like this when it comes to HD2 but never gave the time of day to the glaringly awful issues it has had as a live service and just a supposed “full release” in general.

@emikochan13

8 күн бұрын

covering individual patches is not something a general news channel can do, that's for dedicated one game channels.

@aschtheconjurer

8 күн бұрын

Adding to what emokichan said, this is not a review channel either. If you want a play-by-play of absolutely every aspect of the game, watch a Helldivers 2 review. This is a news and industry channel, and this is a video talking about the news and industry expectations.

@Darksoul9669

8 күн бұрын

@@emikochan13 you think HD2 has had singular issues in singular one off patches? It has not had a patch go smoothly since launch.

This happens to pretty much every game that releases ever. Its rare that any game retains most of it's players

PVE games are always subject to "losing" players during major content droughts. I remember Warframe, DRG and many others where a good chunk of the player base left because they completed everything just to turn back when a new expansion was announced.

i stopped playing because they no longer believe in democracy