Helen Joyce is a CHAMPION 🏆 🥇 for WOMEN'S and CHILDREN'S RIGHTS, SAFETY & BASIC COMMON SENSE. We need people like Helen Joyce in government, not the weak spined people we have. May Helen be protected at all costs. The world needs intelligent and reasonable people like her.

I'm buying this book today this woman is an antidote to a sea of bullshit well done and a national hero.

Helen Joyce's book is brilliant. It brings the whole subject to light. As a gay man, it is giving children puberty blockers, and surgery, when they are not even allowed to vote, is tantamount to child abuse. I would strongly urge Helen Joyce to interview a therapist in America. The therapist really is a brave woman but she explains the whole cult.

Well done Iain, now get your friends at the BBC, ITV and Sky to do the right thing and interview Helen about her brilliant book, so far they have bottled out.

@whitneyadedapo6121

2 жыл бұрын

lool why would a propaganda company give the spotlight to someone who disproves their ideology ? They really don't wanna have a calm debate because they know that it would make them look stupid as they can't even define what they mean by the words man and woman.. all they can do its try and censor

Iain, I could barely hear a word you were saying, but Helen came in loud and clear. So please be sure to check and recheck the volume controls for your microphone. It's a shame to let a wonderful conversation like this one be spoiled by a technical glitch like volume control.

A brilliant book. Every parent should buy a copy of it. Every corporate company HR dept should read it. Thank you Helen Joyce.

Helen Joyce is amazing! So articulate and logical. Thankyou for the interview 🙏 🙌 ❤

Nice to see a truly professional and dispassionate interviewer asking intelligent and thoughtful questions and permitting the interviewee to coherently make a case and respond cogently. I am so tired of the constant yelling back and forth or the interviewer pursuing a self-serving agenda rather than trying to inform viewers. I got a very good sense of the issues because of this interview and it helps me in formulating my own thoughts with regards to so many of these trans issues.

Great work Helen Joyce. Thank you Ian for platforming Helen Joyce.

I had difficulty getting a copy of this book in Waterstone's Edinburgh --in the end I found no copies on display but finally got an unwilling sales assistant to get a copy from storage , I also questioned why no copies were on display. There was no satisfactory answer. Same with Douglas Murray in the past.

It amazing the binary sex is "controversial". Somehow spiders, dogs, birds, and coyotes have figured this "puzzle" out but suddenly we are struggling with this.

I continue to be awed by Joyce's articulateness....

Excellent interview. Please have Helen Joyce on again. So much has happened in the last year that would make for an interesting conversation.

What worries me is - how can we hold our institutions accountable for what has happened IF they were "only following guidelines"?

@MariaTorres-hc5uq

Жыл бұрын

Curious fact: the guidelines excuse was very much in use at Nuremberg...judges were not impressed...

@sarahsnowe

Жыл бұрын

@@MariaTorres-hc5uq Indeed. A shrewd comment.

@RenegadeContext

Жыл бұрын

Who wrote the guidelines? Who decided it was ok to follow the advice of non medical activists? There are names that will come out when this is eventually investigated. The more Kiera Bells that stand up and show the abuse the suffered the more they will need to find those who are responsible. There are doctors online who will be called to account because of their promotion of dangerous surgeries. They know the side effects of surgery, it's not possible to be a surgeon without knowing and if they didn't represent those dangers they are open to accountibility

@jonnash5196

Жыл бұрын

Is this all justified by the WPATH / USPATH standards of care ? Who put them in charge ?

@RenegadeContext

Жыл бұрын

@@jonnash5196 not a single provable fact that's who

Wonderful courage. I've ordered the book.

Another superb conversation with Helen Joyce.

👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 Brava Helen, really well executed interview, as always

Excellent conversation, thank you both. Subscribed.

It’s almost a cliche at this point, but I’m like 5 years too late for the mass trans trend, and thankful for it. I was an awkward tomboy who actually had a curiosity about transitioning, but I grew out of it. If I had some internet community pushing me into it who knows??

Great Interview. Helen speaks with such clarify on the issues involving this ideology

The best speaker on this topic that I have come across. Helen is reasoned and fair and thankfully not a full on social conservative like Matt Walsh. Glad to hear her given the opportunity to actually speak, which Jordan Peterson should've let her do instead of droning on and on himself.

We need you on the LATE Late SHOW in Ireland 🇮🇪 Helen. Self ID is madness and we NEED your voice heard in a full interview on Irish TV & RADIO in Ireland to educate the Irish what this truly means for the future of women's and children's SAFETY & RIGHTS.

I depend upon women in the UK for reality. In the US they are banned.

Helen Joyce is wonderful. Love her, love her words and her work. ❤

I couldn’t really hear you Iain. I could hear Helen perfectly.

I was applying for a job and I had 6 to 8 questions asking about my gender, sex,race it went on and on … these were very different from what I was asked in the past

@sarahsnowe

Жыл бұрын

If I have to record my "gender identification" on any form, I tick "other" and then "rabbit" or "rice pudding" or something. Fortunately, I retired before this cult reached peak insanity and am no longer intimidated by the coercion delineated by Sinclair Lewis.

@sohara....

Жыл бұрын

Yes, I applied for a job where I was asked what felt like extremely intrusive questions that had nothing to do with the content of the job. I think I was asked sbout my sexuality! Extraordinary

@valerieurquhart3133

Жыл бұрын

In Canada, it is suppose to be illegal to ask such questions when applying for a job. Unfortunately, a law is only as good as its enforcement.

Good interview but Iain's sound was too low.

The volume is too low on this video . Please record at a higher volume later . Thank you !

@DieFlabbergast

2 жыл бұрын

Not on the video; Helen's microphone is working properly, unlike Iain's.

Great interview but I could barely hear Iain. So please increase the volume from your side Iain. I could hear Helen just fine, but with you I had to constantly adjust the volume to the highest level and then turn it down again for Helen. And even at the highest level of volume it still took effort to hear you.

I am so grateful that there are people willing to hold these discussions because many are being pulled from youtube, there was an excellent channel and it just suddenly disappeared, the person who was hosting these debates had suffered from body dysmorphia although therapy help her to get over it, she has a degree in gender studies and is a clinical pathologist and now shex been directed by the trans cult The SNP in Scotland isn't voted in because of independence alone, its typical English rhetoric to suggest this, the SNP has performed well in many areas although self ID is going to attract resistance especially from me

Thank you for speaking clear and with common sense

Iain, your sound is awfully low and weak. Hers is fine. Thanks for the interview.

Don't have time for this now, but "de-escalate the culture wars"? You gained yourself a subscriber

This was a great intellectual conversation.

I'm fairly new to this topic, this interview is a fantastically articulate and informative... The issue is raising it's head here in Tas Australia, interesting to hear about the Scottish Greens as the Tasmanian/ Australian Greens have been expressing some very odd views

I have rather a depressing take on this. I don't think it is so much the Upton Sinclair interpretation as this movement and the alacrity with which it has taken hold show just how profoundly so many men hate women and how frightened so many women are to admit that to themselves. I don't believe trans ideology could exist in a world that truly valued females as opposed to just males, a world which honored the masculine in females and the feminine in males. The organized hatred of women in religion and all our cultural institutions and histories is just too ingrained, too massive. It was there from the first wherever it was first understood about where life came from and it's been a constant attack on females as the givers of life and the effort to control that ability and to write the theology and instill the cultural traditions that inculcate and strengthen that control. Yes, these men are disturbed and I don't think it is possible for them to change tragically and I would like to know how each of them turned out the way they have, but there is this underlying hatred at its base that is even more disturbing. And so many women are involved in that they accept it, out of fear of speaking out, but also out of their own belief in their inferiority.

@SpayNeut.Always

2 жыл бұрын

total nonsense. men do not hate women. you are blinded by your ideology. one day maybe you will have the courage to look into the real facts that men have the short end of the stick in the western world today .

@tubester4567

Жыл бұрын

Come off it. The media, and our political system has demonized men and made heroes of women for the last 50 years. Over the last 30 years, men have been forbidden to even question woke ideology or have an opinion. It was feminists and LGBT groups who pushed this trans ideology to begin with. Even today, nearly all the feminist groups support trans ideology.

@collyernicholasjohn

Жыл бұрын

Thank you, great comment! Could make a case that the trans-- misogyny is part of a backlash against the successes of second wave feminism. Most “trans-women” are men with a sexual fetish known as autogynephilia, or AGP. These are heterosexual men who almost universally have penises and testicles, have a parraphillic desire desire to imagine themselves as women. To put it bluntly, they like to masturbate while wearing a dress. That’s fine, I am not judging them for their sexual fetish, but their fetish is harmful to women. It’s not clear why this is, but these men are obsessed with invading women’s spaces, possibly because they see this as a way to test people’s, particularly women’s, boundaries. They want to be validated as “women”, and the ultimate validation is to be accepted wholly by women, Even even to the extent that they accuse lesbians who refuse to allow these men to penetrate them of transphobia.

@ffeff8353

Жыл бұрын

Oh Man --- hitting the nail smack on the head. I forget where the original quote comes from, but I'm reminded of it: "what men most fear from women is to be laughed at by them; what women fear the most from men is that men will kill them."

@wessexmom

Жыл бұрын

@@ffeff8353 That quote is from Margaret Atwood. I also like this one from Germaine Greer: "Women have no idea how much men despise them." In another interview, Helen Joyce said, "Nobody gives a shit about women." Start listening at the 1:07:30 mark.

Fantastic to hear some sense being spoken. This trans ideology is trying to erode the sacredness of the 2 sexes. And they are sacred.

@RemnTheteth

2 жыл бұрын

Sacred? That concept doesn't fit into science. Additionally, there are many organisms that reproduce asexually, so I'm not sure I understand this point. And also, intersex people exist, meaning you're possibly implying they're not sacred? There's a difference between debunking factually wrong claims about biology, and rejecting an entire perspective on freedom of expression.

@NinaNeko4

2 жыл бұрын

@@RemnTheteth All intersex people are either male or female with ambiguous genitalia/reproductive systems. They are not “other” or “in the middle”. They are one or the other.

@arhael3594

2 жыл бұрын

@@RemnTheteth Humans got divided into men and women long before science was a thing. The division was based on biological differences that humans observed. Science merely explained how exactly men and women are different. How you identify yourself, however, has nothing to do with science, it's a product of ideological thinking. It's a choice to redefined established terminology around pronouns and gender definition.

@RemnTheteth

2 жыл бұрын

@Draculas Kitty I was only saying that I disagree with any notion of a scientific category as "sacred". The implication being that binary sex is the only acceptable understanding of biological sex, or that these descriptive categories, which are approximations of truth, are somehow then inherent to the person. In which, A. They're not. And B. I don't understand how a descriptive category can be sacred. And my point was that how then do intersex people fit into that 'sacred', binary description? If we're talking about biological sex, it's just not accurate.

@RemnTheteth

2 жыл бұрын

@@arhael3594 @Arhael I actually mostly agree with you. So I'm not sure if you're disagreeing with me? There is one caveat in terms of complexity here, though. Which is that when you're speaking to the concepts of men and women, it's a classification of averages, not absolutes. Or put another way, all descriptive language can only ever be and approximation of truth. You literally make my point. I'm saying yes, man and woman are a thing. There are certain characteristics that the vast majority of the population shares in terms of phenotypic expression, as explained by genetic expression, and we simplify many sexual characteristics into the concept of man and woman. But that there are people born with a panoply of different phenotypic expression based on a panoply of genetic expression, hormonal expression, etc. Meaning, the concept of binary sex is not an absolute, it's a description of the dominant and most consistent sexual expression. And if there are exceptions to a rule, it's not a rule. It's at best a rule of thumb. I just flatly reject any notion of a scientific description being "sacred" was my point. And that there are clearly exceptions to the way people have been taught to think about sex from a binary perspective. But the problem to me might be that our insistence on the intractability of definite sexual categories is not scientifically reasonable, or is at best an oversimplification. A and that maybe gender dysphoria stems from culture's insistence on accepted social behavior based on sex. And, yes it's true that you can actually make distinctions between men and women in terms of behavior, preferences and interests - but again, these are averages, and you can't generalize average traits to the level of an individual. Therefore, maybe some of this 'dysphoria', as it's called, could stem from that, and could be remedied by allowing people to express themselves in a gender-free way. There are native cultures, as an example, that had more than one gender baked into their understanding of people, their roles and how they wanted to be perceived. I'm not using that to glorify anything, but just to provide perspective on how we can potentially change our perspectives. But I also don't understand necessarily how we can categorically disclude intersex people here. Just because they might have more dominant traits towards one, again, 'defined' sex or the other - that doesn't mean we necessarily can or should simply lump them into one or the other camp. And just because someone is a man or a woman, as defined, biologically - doesn't mean we should expect them to want to be called she, or him. So I'm really making two claims: that the original commenter's claim of binary "sacredness" is disclusive of a scientifically accepted category of people that fall in-between binary sex, and therefore isn't valid. And that distinctions on gender, socialized expression of sex, are either bluntly irrelevant, or are simply limiting to the diverse array of human expression. And the last point is just adding perspective and inquiry. Asking: maybe people's reticence towards gender-neutrality, a social category, could possibly play into some people's discomfort with their own bodies? Just trying to have a conversation 🙂. I think too many people believe they know the answers, here. A really good resource for this is isna.org. I learned a lot by putting aside any preconception that I was an expert on this topic at all.

Interviewers volume is 80% TOO LOW. We can bear Helen perfectly but can't hear the interviewer at all. 😢

Why on earth should we get rid of guns in America?

@suedouglas5455

5 ай бұрын

You shouldn’t! I pray you never do because the outcome would be that we are all done for, wherever we may live in the world…

@francishooper9548

4 ай бұрын

Because there are at least 2 mass killings a day in the USA.

And now we creeping in my country

I would like to watch Helen Joyce and Jordon Peterson discuss this issue.

@Tawny593

6 ай бұрын

I think there's an interview with both of them but Peterson does all the talking.

Am I right in thinking that passports and visas will not be allowed into many countries if the birth certificate doesn’t match the passport data.

@sharifsalem

2 жыл бұрын

Why do you think they won’t match? Once you can change your birth certificate all government documents can be changed to match the “gender identity”.

@happilyretired2868

2 жыл бұрын

It is not likely that they go into some database and check birth certificates. They'd have lines all the way to the tarmac.

@peterdockerty8077

2 жыл бұрын

You cannot get a passport without a birth certificate check. You cannot get a birth certificate changed to reflect your new claimed sex. Only valid birth certificates are legal and they cannot be changed and reissued with different data entered

@sharifsalem

2 жыл бұрын

@@peterdockerty8077 sure? They we changing birth certificates in the US. Not in the UK?

@peterdockerty8077

2 жыл бұрын

No birth certificates are allowed to be changed in the UK. So nobody will get a passport that has different data to the birth certificate. A baby boy becomes a man and even if surgery involved the man is still a man by law. So he may dress as a woman but his passport says hes a man so will not get through most customs points at airports

Where does Joyce sit on the debate left or right?

@zeldagoblin

9 ай бұрын

That's a tough one because most of us who were on the left haven't really changed our views, but the left has moved so far into extremes that people like us are accused of being right wing from the more modern left. She's identified herself as being left wing, but as she's old school left, she's now accused of being a hard right bigot.

@tonyhoffman3309

3 ай бұрын

She recognizes this issue is a bipartisan issue as all major parties currently are contributing to the affirmation model and self id, without conducting debate and not using sufficient evidence when developing legislation.

I would like to know the names of "they" just to understand better who these people are and what their backgrounds are made up of. Iain you audio, at least on my device was hard to hear, Helen's was much easier to understand.

couldnt hear the interview..

The best explanation ofBINARY SEX is the Paradox Institute. All about 11:34 chromasomes,genes , gametes,sry gene master swich.

Absolute Legend Helen....hope they come n get on My case,lol...They are to be hunted out of the LIGHT,into the DARKNESS..

You're interested in de-escalating culture wars? Hmm. . .

@sarahsnowe

Жыл бұрын

The first casualty in any war is truth. We're not going to get anywhere if a tiny minority is promulgating demonstrable lies and the majority are too intimidated to dissent publicly. Germany in the 30s.

The basis of her critique in tne book is Blanchard Bailey & Lawrence - so it just another pathologising discourse; psychologising, reductionist, very limited, thin in its research, it’s poor understanding of bodies (as anything but brute nature) and lack of related deep feminist scholarship, and of gender as social process. And it lacks any insight from psychoanalytic viewpoints; the latter are actually enabling and depathologising (Gherovici, Elliot, and a lot of what Lemma says - the latter is a massive scholar). Joyce’s terms of debate do little to foster any attempt to empathise, or any serious compassionate engagement - with a group she sees as mad, & perverse; so her terms are disingenuous, and her claims full of contradictions - she pretends to be open and sympathetic but is hostile, sly, provocative in language. A writer with such a bitter taste in her mouth that her slight, feigned generosity of spirit cannot sweeten. It’s a re run of Janice Raymond, generating moral panic, telling us we are sick. Old battles are refought here - gender is not the issue but perversion, contamination by ‘maleness’; compare with the stigmatising medical discourse of Blanchard and a zillion others - Stoller, Person, Lukianowitz, Bancroft - even nastier. A book without an index without bibliography is suspect. Our opponent prefers we did not exist, and yet tells us we are silencing debate, and maybe suggests some sort of reeducation regime. Am so sick of hearing how ‘disordered’ we are. The momentum is driven by fundamentalists one ideology or another; Here we go again.

@hospitalsgivingpatientsdan8894

Жыл бұрын

Feminine men should be accepted but they aren’t woman never will be

@gerrytyrrell1507

Жыл бұрын

You could have wrote a book yourself, with all the bullshite you were throwing about .Typical woke Marxist 😂😂

@beatatz

3 ай бұрын

Crap! Doesn't need any further pointless pontificating.

I haven’t read her book because I don’t want to line her pockets. Her interviews always start off with a reasonable argument, with lots of truths. Then you realise that behind the seeming reasonableness there is ignorance and lots of generalisations. Like her friends on the right, she is a real believer of Blanchard, who is this sexologist from the 80/90’s that believed that for most MTF transgender people their gender role was caused by a sexual perversion/phillia. The problem with Blanchard is that while parts of his conclusions work, the central tenant was never backed up by data. She also does the rounds with the hard right and then you hear these beliefs in more detail once she lets her guard down in these interviews. This is all linked with what is a woman, and pronouns etc. all of this sells a lot of books, creates alot of clicks and makes some ignorant distasteful people, the new shock jocks, quite wealthy. Meanwhile transgendered MTF people are sexually assaulted at 3x the rate of women, are twice as likely to be unemployed, more likely be killed by violent crime, more likely to die of suicide, earn 30% below average wage despite having higher education levels than the average person. And we have people like her spreading false hoods. Of course she really has no skin in the game, she gets to go home and count her royalties. This is why transgender people get angry with these people.

@oluckyman

10 ай бұрын

"I haven’t read her book"!

@strykerpass600

10 ай бұрын

@@oluckyman talk about getting blatantly misquoted. I don’t need to, I’ve listened to her rubbish multiple times on interviews. She already got my clicks I’m not going to pay her mortgage off as well.

@zeldagoblin

9 ай бұрын

You have quoted some nonsense there my friend. Your stats are clearly parroted from the pro-trans movement, as they're almost word for word. Here's the issue with the stats: the sexual assault stats come from many transgender prostitutes. The very fact they're prostitutes ups the risks massively of harm and murder. They're not being attacked because they're trans. So to infer that from those figures is tenuous and deliberate false interpretation. We also know that when people drink and do drugs, violence is very likely to follow. The world of prostitution is filled with both. Now, to try to remove trans identified males from prostitution is difficult when you have trans people saying that to be a sex worker is a trans woman's rite of passage, and that to be rapd is the ultimate act of affirmation. So, there's that. Your second falsehood, is that of suicide. The pro-trans gender clinic Tavistock said that suicidality is, in fact very low, and the suggestions otherwise are an incorrect factoid that many parrot, not knowing they've been lied to. It is often used to scare parents into affirmation of their children. In spite of those figures, it is a fact that male on male violence is the most prolific sort, and I would argue that a guy attacking a trans sex worker is exactly that. Then there's the fact that in the UK, a women is far more likely to be attacked by a transgender male than the transgender people are to be attacked themselves. So you really do need to do a bit more critical research that takes more time than a quick Google or a scan of Wikipedia. Pro-tip: don't get your stats from tiktok influencers or trans lobby groups, and expect them to be balanced and accurate.

@iamanomas

9 ай бұрын

Well I have no skin in the game either and am 77 years old. This is what I believe to be true - men and boys cannot be changed into women and girls and vice versa. Surgeon performing these transitioning surgeries are no better than Josef Mengele.

@strykerpass600

9 ай бұрын

@@iamanomas you have a right to state your beliefs. Perhaps if you had skin in the game (eg, your son or grandson was transgender) then you might need to examine this in more detail. Or you might need to get out more…. Perhaps you have met one of us but didn’t even realise you were talking to a trans person.