HE KILLED 2 PEOPLE - Destiny Challenges Sam Seder To A Debate ►kzread.info/dash/bejne/jIlhs9OhgrTVnLw.html RITTENHOUSE COVERAGE ►kzread.info/head/PLFs19LVskfNyAurk3ukoZCLicrPIyPw7j Destiny Debates Sam Seder From The Majority Report. ►kzread.info/dash/bejne/q2Wk28OCabjJXZc.html

@bengreen171

2 жыл бұрын

Isn't there a big difference between left wing/liberal media putting out news of a police shooting - an actual event that happened - and the way right wing media invents stories like voter fraud, trans agendas, post birth abortions etc? I think that difference is very important to remember, beyond the argument about what stories get coverage. I don't think you can have a world where every story receives a proportional share of coverage and still have news channels/programmes as we know it. You would have to reduce all news coverage to simple paragraphs in newspapers, with every story written once and once only (plus extra words for developments in the story), and I don't think that's tenable.

@bengreen171

2 жыл бұрын

your assertion that 'the left' pushed Rittenhouse to the Right because they demonised him is weak. It assumes he wasn't already entranced by the sort of propaganda Fox News had been selling. But it's pretty clear he went to the protest with a picture in his mind about the BLM supporters - that they were dangerous, out of control, and morally wrong. You don't freak out and start shooting people unless you had already been primed to expect to come face to face with 'monsters'. And you're acting like he had no choice but to curry favour with Tucker Carlson and the rest of them. He did have a choice. And yes - he could have stepped away from the limelight appearing on Hannity doesn't actually change his day to day life. It doesn't make him invisible and it certainly doesn't give him any protection in the street. It's a false dichotomy to claim he had to go to the right because the left demonised him. He could have just kept his head down and avoided all media. People protect their property all the time without the need for weapons. Rittenhouse could have stood in front of the building he wanted to protect with a fire extinguisher. He could have brought his granny down there with all her friends and I guarantee you that any rioter who attempted anything would have been taken down by the rest of the protesters. He didn't kill people who were trying to kill him. He killed people who he thought were trying to kill him. That's a very big difference.

@ravenecho2410

2 жыл бұрын

whats interesting is that destiny buys stochastic terrorism and their arguments - but doesn't buy that bringing a gun while counter protesting like wise can be a risk so large that the decision to bring it can be seen as a causal factor i think that's a bit of missed consistency, and just as people who speak of the great replacement commit moral wrongs - even though its probabilistically causal in causing violence is a direct parallel to kyle rittenhouse and bringing a gub.

@ickyfist

2 жыл бұрын

@@bengreen171 That's not a good argument. Imagine if a business basically hired no black people and were like, "Well there are only so many jobs to give out to people...if we had to hire more black people we'd have to reduce everyone's hours by a lot." The question still remains: why are you disproportionately hiring certain people. Applying that to this case, why are they disproportionately covering one type of issue over another? Usually the only difference is race and that's a problem. It's not about how newsworthy something is but how valuable it is to helping them push their agenda.

@bengreen171

2 жыл бұрын

@@ravenecho2410 and arguably, it's stochastic terrorism to whip up enough fear about the downfall of society, and rage about 'muh guns' and patriotism that has led to all the little Rittenhouses 'Ramboing' around with their AR-15's like there's a war on. And if that's the cause - the effect is Rittenhouse using his weapon. The idea that Kyle was some simple 'do-gooding' kid who just thought he was one of the Goonies is very hard to believe.

Seeing Sam Seder yell 'guzzling buckets of come' is the greatest thing that has happened in the Debatebro sphere this month. No wonder Steven decided to drop the manifesto and retire after that.

@acutecloudd7970

2 жыл бұрын

I hope he makes it a dono sound

@sjewitt22

2 жыл бұрын

what do you mean retire?

@eshaybah5581

2 жыл бұрын

Its was soo funny when he kept mentioning those buckets, why is he so obsessed with these buckets i will never know.

@metalmythology6282

2 жыл бұрын

Is he legit done with politics after the manifesto?

@qactus4031

2 жыл бұрын

hold the fk up wdym retire

When you can keep changing your argument on the fly and refuse to account for it, you’re never wrong.

@CthulhuTheory

Жыл бұрын

Dude waffles harder than Lav ever did.

@joshuajgrillot

Жыл бұрын

And that My friend is Sam Seder

@katloranger8300

Жыл бұрын

Hilarious

@trewthhip-hop1858

Жыл бұрын

When did he change his argument?

@YoutubeLovesCowards

11 ай бұрын

@@trewthhip-hop1858 anytime he is faced with a logical point of view that proves his point wrong.

Wrongful death ? They literally chased him and attacked him 😂

@ImortalZeus13

11 ай бұрын

Lefties think every loss of human life is a “tragic wrongful death :(“ unless you’re a rich person in a submarine

@jackshepherd93

11 ай бұрын

But you are missing the point, you are not allowed to stop rioters doing anything including killing you Or you are a racist Checkmate

@Prometheus4096

11 ай бұрын

And he killed them.

@Sparrows1121

11 ай бұрын

Sam is a bad faith debater, so no wonder why he always is a loser

@rogerdodger4212

11 ай бұрын

@@Prometheus4096 Yes…and?

There’s nothing worse than having a strong opinion on something that you know nothing about. I was heavily disappointed when Sam Cedar said he didn’t watch the trial. A trial is the laying out of facts and evidence. How can you make a decision if YOU DON’T GATHER FACTS FIRST??

@capitalist4life

Жыл бұрын

That’s the thing about being ignorant… you can’t appreciate how flawed your opinions might be.

@mynameisamon

Жыл бұрын

its seems more that seder was implying he doesnt watch televised court trials because of the media circus/spectacle they can become - he can still be well informed of the facts of a trial by reading court documents and reports since thats what we have done and still do with past trials before cameras in courts were a thing - what do you think? and is there something i might be missing or not understanding?

@cameronfair2397

Жыл бұрын

You obviously missed what the debate was about. Sam didnt come on to debate about Rittenhouse, he said repeatedly you will find no videos about the case he has made because he doesnt care. He came to debate Destiny saying he would guzzle buckets of cum if Rittenhouse was black and was creating outrage. Sams one and only point(and what they were supposed to be debating) was that Destiny was creating a strawman and doing exactly what he was accusing sam of by saying that. Destiny conceded that point almost immediately debate over, Sam won. Everything after was just a discussion about a subject Sam doesnt care about, doesnt usually debate about but made an exception because he was having fun talking to Destiny.

@stanislovBrown

Жыл бұрын

The kid was looking for an opportunity to use his gun and he made that happen. That’s all you need to know. You just like that he shot a racial justice protester (you’d call all of them rioters)

@ImortalZeus13

Жыл бұрын

He said it himself: he wants to discourage as many people from confronting protestors with guns as possible. It didn’t matter how good Kyle behaved because Sam’s only interest is in getting more people to do things he wants, and not the more valuable and useful ability to make moral judgments on when violence is and is not an acceptable form of self defense.

You know Destiny getting serious with a debate when he actually focuses on his guests and doesn't multitask.

@enlightenednormie242

2 жыл бұрын

Destiny is OPM of debating Confirmed!🤣😄

@solangegregory4810

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, he saw he was getting his ass kicked rhetorically by Sam.

@chaddyheals4035

2 жыл бұрын

I’m not a Majority Report simp but Sam Seder is a strong debater

@bradders9743

Жыл бұрын

He has a lot of respect for Sam

@JohnSmith-yd5wq

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I can't stand 8 people talking at once

The most hilarious part is that Sam Seder KNEW about the guzzling buckets of coom, he even had it written down... and he STILL talked with destiny with a calm tone in the beginning.

@killzone866

2 жыл бұрын

thats why Sams great

@teewhyeee

2 жыл бұрын

@@killzone866 no he's not

@gaelmoreno4818

2 жыл бұрын

@@teewhyeee why

@magusd123

2 жыл бұрын

@@gaelmoreno4818 because he is a liar. i don’t beleive for 1 minute that he never read anything about rittenhouse or never saw the videos.

@yautjacetanu

2 жыл бұрын

I'm not going to lie it's change my view on Sam a bit. And the fact he kept repeating buckets of cum over and over was hilarious. I feel like Sam was genuinely annoyed at what he thought was destiny's misrepresentation of his position but also finding it hilarious at the same time.

"Crossed state lines" on Rittenhouse is a straight up tell for someone who doesn't want to frame the issue honestly.

@SmilingStoic

Жыл бұрын

@@goblin6587 it is literally true, yes.

@TYBG85

Жыл бұрын

​​@@goblin6587 yes it is but when people were saying that they were doing it to imply it's another of many laws he supposedly broke. When people typically hear the phrase "crossed state lines" it's in reference to drug runners and gun runners. So because Rittenhouse legally owned a gun media and online commenters just threw the phrase around knowing what it implies to the uneducated. Kinda like how most people I ran into online and off assumed Rittenhouse killed two black people because the media referred to the deceased as "BLM protestors" which is true but they knew people who aren't paying close attention will assume he killed two innocent black protesters which I believe significantly contributed to how bad it got. The Blake case itself has turned out to be not what everyone thought it was. At the time it wasn't mainstream news that at the time of that stop he had two of his kids in the backseat who were reported kidnapped and Blake has just assaulted the mother of his kids. And they didn't often show the beginning of the video where Blake wrestled the cops off of him evading arrest and only showed when he got back to his car to reach under the seat. Which was for a knife supposedly.

@matts1166

Жыл бұрын

Hell, three weeks AFTER the trial ended Cenk fron the Young Turks was still describing how Rittenhouse chased his first victim down to execute him.

@user-fl9ps8xf2y

11 ай бұрын

@@goblin6587 It literally has nothing more to do with the case then him crossing the sidewalk. But go on parrot away🦜

@shanepurcell8116

11 ай бұрын

@@user-fl9ps8xf2y There's not a legal distinction there?

He keeps saying Rittenhouse is untrained. One thing is certain; his aim and trigger discipline while running backwards/ laying on his back/ hitting moving targets, was totally exceptional. He is definitely well trained with that firearm

@user-fl9ps8xf2y

11 ай бұрын

The ncp’s seem to love trained professionals who do horrible and are 180 degrees wrong(like Fauci on several occasions) and hate anyone who actually gets it right and does the right thing that is proven right in time.

@MidgetPunter

11 ай бұрын

Not to mention ability to clear a malfunction, chamber a round and put a shot on target while on his ass being attacked. Most grown men in law enforcement wouldn't of been able to manipulate the firearm the way Kyle did and to still put the next shot on target.

@jasonmorgan27

11 ай бұрын

Bro, how fast reaction to that forward assist under extreme chaos was something that most special forces could not not execute . It was an absolute clinic in as a weapons operator.

@danzeljohnson3341

11 ай бұрын

@@MidgetPunterjust to not get flustered and fire was impressive enough for me. I don’t think people understand he would have been justified letting off more shots because a crowd was chasing him at one point and not just a couple guys

@shape4234

11 ай бұрын

Dude he shot the guys arm the SECOND he pulled out his pistol to try and kill him Kyle 100% was very well trained

The citizens united back and forth I got his point on but the entirety of the Rittenhouse debate had me raging in my car

@jettcs3218

2 жыл бұрын

my man louis is a ddger the more you know

@politicalandy

2 жыл бұрын

yeah even if I still don't agree with his framing I understand how seder was taking issue with it; I just agree with Destiny that the supreme court is literally there with the understanding that sometimes we have to make these watershed rulings that will effect more than just the case being ruled on at the moment by virtue of valuing consistency in law

@Delta169

2 жыл бұрын

Love your content Louis! I'm sure you enjoy listening on these on those long drives.

@randomboii9166

2 жыл бұрын

@@jettcs3218 yea he has based comments on a lot of vids

@jaredisley-oliver389

2 жыл бұрын

I was just thinking how your appearance on Seder’s show changed my opinion of him. After you gave him an answer he didn’t want. But couldn’t not agree with. He seemed angry and frustrated that was the case. And I couldn’t trust him fully anymore. Cheers!!!

he didn’t watch the trial but he surely has strong opinions about it. makes sense

@FirstLast-dh8ks

Жыл бұрын

plausible deniability. You have your cake and eat it too

@travis6339

Жыл бұрын

In context of this discussion Sam was referring to trials like the Rittenhouse Trial and the OJ Trial, and I've heard him talk about it on his show before as well. There's truth to the fact that those cases are more so spectacles and their outcomes usually don't have a broader impact on legislation and it's judicial interpretation later on. In fact, the Supreme Court has a policy NOT to record their cases on video, although C-SPAN's started to stream the audio of the oral arguments as of late. Sam does keep his finger on the pulse of the SCOTUS though, wherein the importance of the case typically can't be assessed until the ruling is revealed to the public. Once the cases are accepted for the next SC term, Sam will occasionally speak on the background of the case. After the ruling, Sam will usually have legal experts come on, sometimes going so far as to speak with the Amicus Curiae or pertinent actors in these cases (like Russ Feingold for Citizen's United)

@thomasmacisaac1503

Жыл бұрын

@@travis6339 That's hardly the point. Sam mischaracterizes the entire Rittenhouse event through lies of omission any time he talks about it when being familiar with the details of the case would disabuse him and his audience of those notions. He wouldn't even have to watch the trial when the video was available online hours after it happened and showed without any ambiguity that Rittenhouse was in the right. Sam is a hack.

@ramigilneas9274

Жыл бұрын

@@thomasmacisaac1503 That’s the thing… this was one of the clearest cases of self defense in history. Most of the facts were already known within days of the event… and people like Sam kept lying about the facts for a year… some even kept lying after the verdict. So I really hope that Kyle can sue a few of those dangerous ideologues.😉

@thomasmacisaac1503

Жыл бұрын

@@ramigilneas9274 🤞

This entire debate felt like destiny going "So its okay for you to frame things one way. but no one else can the other way?" And getting the response "Yes" in the longest possible roundabout way.

@user-tt7rc2cg1o

9 ай бұрын

What being on the right side of history does to a mf

@jamesregiste960

8 ай бұрын

So name one city that was "burned to the the ground "? Yet that was destiny"s ,mantra, and you clAim it's sam who was "factually incorrect"......?😊

@johns1625

8 ай бұрын

A literal CHILD. Crossed STATE LINES. With an AR FIFTEEN ASSUALT RIFLE. Loaded with THIRTY BULLETS. To go to a PEACEFUL PROTEST to protect USED CARS. And THREE PEOPLE got SHOT IN THE FACE and KILLED because of it! 😂😂

@merc9nine

8 ай бұрын

​@@johns1625they got shot because they attacked him. You don't open carry to shoot people. You open carry to tell people to stay away and don't F around.

@merc9nine

8 ай бұрын

​@@johns1625used cars someone bought for hundreds of thousands of dollars. They have to buy the cars to then resell to make their money back. If I lost $100,000 and my business it would destroy my life, and that of my entire family. You guys act like if someone came and burned your house down, and insurance didn't cover it, like it's just a house man. It's just property. That's ridiculous. Not every business is Walmart or Amazon and can eat that sort of loss.

"You went to the woods, took bear mace with you, and ended up macing a bear. You went to the woods to mace bears. You are a psychopath"

@roscodogg

8 ай бұрын

Who maced bears? Whose a psychopath?

@hcnuup

8 ай бұрын

@@roscodogg Kyle Rittenhouse. I don't know you could get confused about this.

@roscodogg

8 ай бұрын

@@hcnuup Kyle went to a community literally being destroyed... by humans He didn't go there to destroy humans! He went there to stop them from destroying some of what was left and protect innocent people (mostly himself) in the process. If anyone is a psychopath in the scenario, it's the people acting like bears. And the people on tv and in gov't lying about statistics and the specifics of cases to GET them to act like bears. You know- the stochastic terr.or.ism that was briefly mentioned- yet for unknown reasons oddly attributed (incorrectly) to Tucker Carlson 🤔

@Crypt0rkid

4 ай бұрын

@@roscodoggyou

@frankn5812

4 ай бұрын

@@roscodoggIt’s an analogy bruther.

Gained my respect for defending Rittenhouse. My mind is blown at the amount of people still calling him a cold blooded murderer with all the video evidence available. I literally can’t process how someone could think it wasn’t self defense other than hating him for his political affiliation, which is just sad.

@griffinforberg9147

Жыл бұрын

I watching a clip of Christian Walker where Emma Vigeland and another one of them casually brought up Rittenhouse being a murderer. It speaks volumes to the kind of people they are. I feel like Destiny is one the few real ones left out there for online politics.

@pnwpariah8691

Жыл бұрын

@B H agreed, I think he was definitely in the right to shoot, but it is kind of scummy how he has grifted off of the event afterwards. That being said with how politicized the case was, I don’t know if there is another way forward for him.

@pnwpariah8691

Жыл бұрын

@B H 100%

@OGgluttonoustoad

Жыл бұрын

He also put himself in that situation. Sure, I guess it was self-defense after he drove from hours away and started patrolling the streets with a large firearm

@pnwpariah8691

Жыл бұрын

@@OGgluttonoustoad I think he was more like 15-20 minutes away, from what I’ve seen Kenosha was his community. His dad lives there I think

Finally, someone named Steven that has the balls to debate Sam Seder.

@roguewasbanned4746

2 жыл бұрын

He still isn’t worth talking to, if this Steven debating him proved anything.

@NotaDrDoom

2 жыл бұрын

BURN

@fernknowsbeststudios7964

2 жыл бұрын

Crowder’s fearful face that day still hilarious to this day!

@sqrtclan5829

2 жыл бұрын

If anything this proves that crowder was right. He does argue in bad faith and is completely insane

@therainman7777

2 жыл бұрын

@@fernknowsbeststudios7964 Yeah he was quaking in his boots at the mighty specter of Sam Seder 🙄

He conceded that Rittenhouse traveling isn't really an issue...then later yells "He drove 20 minutes across state lines!"

Thank you Destiny! I laughed my arse off every time Sam said "guzzling buckets of cum". Besides you having the superior argument here, Sam repeating that line over and over again was the best part of this debate. 😂 And for the record, I think you were correct in describing how Sam would react had the roles been reversed.

@IamCanadian3333

Жыл бұрын

Lmao right? I was like, "Damn Sam is really stuck on that isn't he? What's with his weird obsession with that?" 🤣🤣

@miketorrento3307

Жыл бұрын

Sam’s right, that’s why.

@abbeyprice7413

Жыл бұрын

​@@miketorrento3307he's not and his voice is annoying

@KinoTechUSA69

Жыл бұрын

​@@miketorrento3307Sam is objectively wrong. We have video evidence of the entire altercation. Take the L

@sc3609

Жыл бұрын

the saying - thou protest too much. lol

the best kind of truth: technically the truth

@DocOrtmeyer

2 жыл бұрын

*LAWYERS*

If it takes a rittenhouse level defense for self defense justification in anyone's mind, you have no idea what's realistic.

@FirstLast-dh8ks

Жыл бұрын

a distorted version of reality, couldn't ask for a more clear cut case

@aaronpaul6601

Жыл бұрын

You mean how he went there to be a vigilant? That draws no red flags in your mind?

@jimismacho

Жыл бұрын

@@aaronpaul6601 red flags do not a murderer make.

@demon3203

Жыл бұрын

Suggest you all look into the vegas riots. There were a bunch of asian dudes sitting on rooftops with guns threatening and in some cases shooting people who would come to their business. Everyone understood that is okay and unlike what happened in this case they are just protecting property. While rittenhouse was protecting life... If this isn't a no brainer thing to you then thank god none of you create laws or enforce them.

@jseden

Жыл бұрын

@@euphegenia yet the prosecutor still felt the need to lie and cross legal lines at every opportunity... But sure, they had a solid case 🙄

"I don't watch trials, I just give I give misinformed opinions on them"

@JohnSmith-yd5wq

3 ай бұрын

No

@thomasramsey1870

3 ай бұрын

@@JohnSmith-yd5wq What?

@JohnSmith-yd5wq

3 ай бұрын

@@thomasramsey1870 Seder said he read the most comprehensive reporting on Rittenhouse. Which was the GQ article. He just doesn't watch or cover trials. Practice your listening comprehension. BTW Destiny said that Sam was factually correct.

@thomasramsey1870

3 ай бұрын

@@JohnSmith-yd5wq What makes you think anyone asked?

The situation was basically that a kid was being pursued by a mob because he put out a fire. They DIDN"T like the fact that he was putting out fires. That is what started this whole thing. All you need to know is that one side supports the kid putting out fires. The other side supports the mob that got angry that the kid was putting out fires.

@pheebs818

6 ай бұрын

Facts

@OIOOOIOOOOOOO

4 ай бұрын

They were chasing him because he had just shot somone with an assault rifle lmao

@thejuniorseas7683

3 ай бұрын

​@@OIOOOIOOOOOOORosenbaum chased Kyle because he put out the fire that Rosenbaum and a group of rioters ignited. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.

@OIOOOIOOOOOOO

3 ай бұрын

@@thejuniorseas7683 the original comment said "chased by a mob", clearly referring to the crowd that was chasing him after he shot Rosenbaum. I'm not even anti Rittenhouse, the original comment was just wrong.

@domquinnchandler

Ай бұрын

@@OIOOOIOOOOOOOcringe

Past the fact that dude only reacted to agression... Kyle, the koreans in LA, the mexicans in chicago they are all the same. Got beef with the government go handle it but if you decide to pick on the communities 11/10 you deserve whatever they got reserved for you.

@OttisR0t

Жыл бұрын

The Koreans in LA were protecting their property

@mitchjames9350

Жыл бұрын

@@OttisR0t and rightfully so, Kyle was putting out fires and attending to injured before he was set upon by scumbags.

@OttisR0t

Жыл бұрын

@@mitchjames9350 I wasn't sure 2hqt direction OP was going. But the Rittenhouse case was one of the most insane things I've ever watched minus OJ and Casey Anthony. But honestly, Rittenhouse case was worse than Casey because of the lies, deceit and hypocrisy. Casey was the only one lying but in Rittenhouses case, the world was lying

@dylan-5287

Жыл бұрын

@@OttisR0t the Koreans were protecting their community property, not necessarily their personal property. Similar to rittenhouse. When the riots broke out the local Korean radio station basically became the HQ. Many of those Korean Americans had fought in the Korean War. So the veterans with experience were sent out to the areas where riots were occurring to protect property. So not necessarily their personal property but rather the community they didn't want destroyed.

@31:45 That guzzler’s comment was hilarious 😂

@Thenumber12pwns

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah especially when Sam kept repeating it and destiny would just start laughing lol

@shipwreckeddemon1943

2 жыл бұрын

To me, it showed me that maybe it is time our boy left the political sphere. That petty little comment was so not needed. From a guy, I respect for seeking to be more rhetorically effective to do something like that and just snicker every time afterwards told me Stephen is a child at heart. Kinda broke my heart actually. Sad to see those you respect act in such a way.

@wakkablockablaw6025

2 жыл бұрын

It's funny because it's true

@stanleyelnats

2 жыл бұрын

@@shipwreckeddemon1943 it was obviously a joke and meant to be taken as such unlike many of Sams points which were conpletely disingenuous and meant to pander to left leaning listeners. Also if Destiny left then we would just be left with people like Sam who thunks that burning down a building is the same as stealing a pack of skittles.

@ronmexico7256

2 жыл бұрын

@@shipwreckeddemon1943 Yeah just when you think he’s so close he falls back into this behaviour 😢

Sam is such a clown “I didn’t watch the trial and I don’t watch any media about the topic” “Here’s my very strong opinion even though I don’t know anything about the issue” Lmao

Ask the guy who lost his bicep how many more protests he will attend.

@themallenman

2 ай бұрын

Going off your comment, you seem to be against free speech. Wow.

@clthornsbury4192

2 ай бұрын

@@themallenman do you even know who I am referring to here?

Destiny’s rhetoric has really improved. He was really composed and structured his arguments in a really non-aggressive, conversational way. The rhetoric arc is working.

@williamwayne4043

2 жыл бұрын

I mean there some buckets that might disagree with you.

@yoboiboy4182

2 жыл бұрын

I think it’s cuz he’s debating Sam Seder, a guy who he respects. Normally he’d half-ass the convo while playing video games

@qactus4031

2 жыл бұрын

Yea guy above me nailed it. He surely made a lot fo progress, but he was being extra friendly and patient because of their shared history and who Sam used to be.

@Audacity_69

2 жыл бұрын

How could he not be composed? He's boxing a toddler.

@YouJGSousa

2 жыл бұрын

@@qactus4031 the problem is that it ends up being super boring. There is a difference between being a shouting unhinged and pushing back.

I literally just opened KZread

@gilbertoperalta2172

2 жыл бұрын

Bro the exact same feeling you are having right now I have to every time I open Twitter

So Sam doesnt even watch the trial, yet feels Kyle was not justified in protecting his own life? This dude is a joke.

@JohnSmith-yd5wq

3 ай бұрын

That's not what Seder said.

"I'm not saying they should leave, I'm saying that no one should go and help them and just let their town burn!"

he will never live down the jizzler stuff

@TheAbsoluteSir

2 жыл бұрын

He made that so much worse for himself. Clipped lmao.

@Mremsee90

2 жыл бұрын

You think he’d run from that? I think he said it multiple times about himself for a laugh. He quoted it a few times on his own show while chuckling

@Tangerinian

2 жыл бұрын

@@Mremsee90 well he said it completely red in the face. And people on twitter will constantly be in his comments saying "JIZZLER JIZZLER JIZZLER" for years

@danielshepard1449

2 жыл бұрын

Wow a "you like jizz" joke? You really GOT HIM bro! How will Sam ever recover?

39:00 The mistake that cost two people their lives wasn’t done by Rittenhouse, it was done by the people attacking him.That’s why he was exonerated.

@solangegregory4810

2 жыл бұрын

Who gets to decide self defense? Only the person that survives the shoot out, apparently. The second two could easily argue they were trying to defend themselves and the crowd from a mass shooter. Do you not see how insane this whole idea is, that everyone shows up armed to a confrontation and decides everyone else is a threat ?

@mezmerizer0266

Жыл бұрын

@@solangegregory4810 did any, literally anyone else in the crowd show up to testify they felt scared by Rittenhouse? No. Because everyone who was there on scene knew what was going on, and with their own eyes saw the self defense, heard what was happening as well.

@solangegregory4810

Жыл бұрын

@@mezmerizer0266 Are you joking lol? So pray tell, why did two random people try to take down Kyle? Just for shits and giggles? Why would a guy armed with only a skateboard try to disarm an armed person, if not for fear he would shoot someone else? They didn't have anyone testify to something fucking OBVIOUS because they thought it was implied. Apparently they overestimated people's intelligence vastly.

@deeznutz8320

Жыл бұрын

@@solangegregory4810 Sit down femoid

@endermugen

Жыл бұрын

@@solangegregory4810 there is literally video of both deaths. There is no need to speculate as to how the dead pedophile and domestic abuser would argue their defense. There is clear video.

Wow I'm glad Sam dropped out of law school. Actually embarrassing the distances he'll go to smear someone who defended themselves

@amandanorris8

Жыл бұрын

You sure he dropped out? Or flunked out?

@jackshepherd93

11 ай бұрын

Was he right about one think in this entire video ?

@Prometheus4096

11 ай бұрын

Sam isn't making any legal arguments, lol. At least Sam flunked out of prestigious law school, after already getting his BSc. And not flunking out of community college music degree to play video games.

@Sparrows1121

11 ай бұрын

@@Prometheus4096 So flunking out to smoke loser weed is better? Ok whatever liberals -_-

@saraarlavi4217

10 ай бұрын

@@Prometheus4096 At least he is guzzling the c*m of black men :D

Destiny gives a masterclass in exposing hypocrisy.

GUZZLERS UNITE 🥛

@omis6610

2 жыл бұрын

Google translates this to: UNITED GUZZLERS 🥛

@sladewilson3362

2 жыл бұрын

@@omis6610 GOOGLE TRANSLATE GIGACHAD

@ataridc

2 жыл бұрын

guzzle gang

@JamiesonA1987

2 жыл бұрын

Yes king

@MistaaPep

Жыл бұрын

*Drinks buckets and smiles*

Seder here serves as a good example of exactly what Destiny is criticizing: Eternally getting key details wrong when they’re inconvenient to preferred framing, not watching trials while pushing emphatic assertions related to the case, and being cemented in emotional opinions born from falsehood despite evidence to the contrary. Embarrassing 😬

@mariomario1462

2 жыл бұрын

Except he wasn't wrong

@tb8654

2 жыл бұрын

@@mariomario1462 he had no details wrong regarding the Rittenhouse case that were at least not corrected? Is that what you are claiming?

@Jtgagemac

2 жыл бұрын

@@mariomario1462 He wasn't right, either.

@mariomario1462

2 жыл бұрын

@@tb8654 correct. In this video he did not

@mariomario1462

2 жыл бұрын

@@Jtgagemac he was. Dude shouldn't have been there with a gun being a wannabe militia

Holy hell sam is so dishonest...

@mr.mclibtard5015

9 ай бұрын

But muh skittles

2 things - Super glad you didn't let him get away with saying that he hasn't been following the case that closely by saying "It's one thing to not be following something but then why have such a strong opinion about it?" Also, really glad you brought up that Kyle could have just had the gun to protect himself from violent protesters. I'm surprised they didn't go with that defense in court and it hardly got brought up but that's obviously why he would have had the gun, not to protect property.

@rogerdodger4212

11 ай бұрын

They literally did bring that up in the court case. It was in Rittenhouse’s testimony.

@danzeljohnson3341

11 ай бұрын

He openly admitted to committing to a debate and giving his strong views without doing any research

@blackgateboxingxuanmenquan6407

11 ай бұрын

If the courts had found Rittenhouse guilty Sam wouldn’t make ANY concessions, and he’d just say, all the same, that he didn’t follow it closely. As he didn’t beforehand. Not an honest broker.

"I had very little coverage of the case," "I don't watch the legal case" Well he certainly had some fucking spicy takes on that video of his for not having watched the case and knowing little about it.

@meddlesomemusic

2 жыл бұрын

You don't have to watch the the trial to obtain the relevant facts on the public record

@paromanin

2 жыл бұрын

None of his takes are about the legality.

@politicaltroll8920

2 жыл бұрын

Sam was pretty clear that he wasn’t following the details of the case while it was ongoing.

@rayquaza1245

2 жыл бұрын

@@validatedclassified2564 It's not about watching the whole trial, it's about being informed on the facts of the case. Watching the trial would just be a means to learning the facts, but you don't have to watch the whole thing to know the facts.

@burbsl1672

2 жыл бұрын

@@validatedclassified2564 imagine agreeing with Pakman Couldn't be me

Destiny is missing the part about how Kyle Rittenhouse was in Kenosha the day before and how he was a volunteer EMT and he was carrying a medkit and the gun was secondary to defend himself. There's pictures of him doing volunteer work in kenosha

@guyfanno1

Жыл бұрын

He actually took 2 medkits with him, a big one and one he could carry on his person. But people get triggered because he called himself an EMT and ignore the medkits. Technically no he was not a fully qualified EMT but he was more than qualified to do more than basic first aid with all his training. l think he just used EMT as it was easier to yell out. And most of the time he just yelled medical anyway. I dont see how saying you are an EMT negates your right to defend yourself. .

@aydan910

Жыл бұрын

the guy he shot in the hand and permanently paralyzed was also an EMT helping protesters in kenosha.

@hunter3551

Жыл бұрын

@@aydan910 both of the guys he shot attacked him so it doesn't matter what he was, rittenhouse protected himself

@mitchjames9350

Жыл бұрын

There are videos of him putting out fires and attending to the injured before he was set upon by leftist goons.

@mitchjames9350

Жыл бұрын

@@aydan910 your lying, kyle killed two and the third wasn’t paralysed. He was a criminal who crossed state lines carrying an illegally obtained gun and had pulled it on Kyle which is why he got shot. Where do you get that he was an EMT helping people?

As I rabbit hole my way more and more of destiny's content and truly like him more each day while on the opposite side of political views. I can't help but enjoy his intelligence and thoughtful perspectives. This debate literally got handed on a platter when destiny brought up the L.A riots and how the asians protected their property that is the ultimate take away from the red herring argument and ignorance of well "Kyle" could have just stayed home while K burned down. 24:12

@michaelrandall7667

5 ай бұрын

I always say when it comes to objective matters like Rittenhouse he is great. He does his research and sticks to the facts. When it comes to anything subjective, usually political, he's a fool. He's the equivalent of a random Twitter person. It's odd that he's the same person sometimes.

Why is Sam ok with people burning down a city but not ok with people protecting it?

That George Floyd framing Destiny used to prove his point was *chef’s kiss* BEAUTIFUL!

@michaeldromes3948

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah that was a massive L on Seder's part. "Just frame things however you want" is such a self sabotaging thing to say for a political commentator.

@cabbytabby

2 жыл бұрын

Can you give me the time stamp?

@zarka223

2 жыл бұрын

@@cabbytabby 40:07

@cabbytabby

2 жыл бұрын

@@zarka223 thank you

@Matt-tr7sx

2 жыл бұрын

Merely pointing out that something is framed a certain way isn’t a gotcha. Framing things in a particular way is what political commentators do. The issue is the underlying intent. The Floyd example serves an indefensible underlying intent.

Rittenhouse didn't "roam the streets". He was on the lot of a car dealership and only left it to put out a fire. That's when he was attacked and pursued through the streets. This debate feels like I fell into a wormhole into 2021. All of this stuff was talked about at length in the trial.

@mattt9187

Жыл бұрын

The only mistake Grosskreutz made was not shooting first. If he had this would be a non-issue. But he was a mature man with a gun and little Kyle was a teenager who's parents dropped him off in a dangerous situation he lacked the ability to deal with. Child abuse by any other name.

@explosivez1

Жыл бұрын

Yes let me go out with a AR, in a riot….

@razacosmicapilled

Жыл бұрын

@@explosivez1 based

@MrMCN1963

Жыл бұрын

@@explosivez1right? how is it so difficult for the small penis crowd to understand that guns are for self defense. you aren’t defensive when leading with the chin

@basedbrit4206

Жыл бұрын

@@explosivez1 Yeah man you should just let people riot and kill indiscriminately

The point regarding Kyle using this for fame, is moot. You nailed it. He didn't seek fame, he was made famous by people like Sam. They wanted to make him a public enemy, they wanted to make him infamous. You can't spell infamous without famous children.

@raymondjones616

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. It was media(ESPECIALLY left wing media) that made Rittenhouse famous. He was immediately declared the villain. He was already famous before the full facts of the case even came out. Sam has no basis to criticize him for embracing the right.

@credman

Жыл бұрын

He's George Zimmerman, another right-wing loser who was looking for trouble and desperate for his Dirty Harry moment so he could feel like a real man instead of a prepubescent baby-faced virgin. It shows how immature and narcissistic Destiny's fans are that they think this is a serious debate and their side is bringing nothing but facts and logic when it's just a trivial disagreement about subjective gut feelings about Rittenhouse's character.

@macaron3141592653

Жыл бұрын

No that's unfair. Just because the left was shitting on Kyle doesn't require him to monetize using the other extreme. He doesn't have to stay a public figure if he doesn't want, but he's reveling in attention from the worst media figures in the country and he deserves criticism for that.

@fettbub92

Жыл бұрын

@@macaron3141592653 I don't disagree that he deserves criticism for milking this, but if the left didn't want him to be famous, they shouldnt have tried to make him infamous. Especially lying about the facts and misconstruing the case. They shouldn't be surprised he has such fame.

@raymondjones616

Жыл бұрын

@@macaron3141592653 No it doesn't "require" him to embrace the right. But it does put him on that path. I mean, 1 whole party says he is evil Nazi scum and tells their voters this for over a year, while the other side says he is not...most teenagers in his position would do exactly the same.

He wasn't on trial for vigilantism or was he suppose to be there or not. He was on trial for murder and the jury said no murder was committed cause it was self defense. It's literally that's simple

@xiomanaxoxoxo3212

2 ай бұрын

He should have been on trial for vigilantism . It’s why he went there I’m sure of it .

Only criticism is you really should've forced Sam to admit the Kenosha rioting was also bullshit. WTF are the police supposed to do, let him take off with two little kids in the back seat, potentially killing them all while fleeing from the cops?

@Reignor99

Жыл бұрын

hi again

@igotadildoinmyassrnbut8104

Жыл бұрын

how does that change anything lmao

@maxmensch8910

Жыл бұрын

Wasn't the guy shot by the police the father of those kids?

@Vic2point0

Жыл бұрын

@@maxmensch8910 They were, but he was violating a restraining order just by being there. Suffice to say it had been determined he had no right to take off with three of their children.

@maxmensch8910

Жыл бұрын

​@@Vic2point0 Shooting someone over violating a restraining order seems a little bit out of proportion, to put it mildly.

Let’s ignore he shot someone who was chasing him for putting out a literal dumpster fire he was pushing into a gas station.. After shots went off behind him and rossenbaum grabbed for his gun… After rossenbaum threatened to kill him and others that night..

@micahatkins5286

2 жыл бұрын

……as was his his claim in court. But, let’s not ignore that none of the sh*t would’ve happened if he’d stayed his underaged a** at home.

@uppercutgrandma4425

2 жыл бұрын

It takes an academic mind to see being chased down by a mob as a peaceful demonstration.

@danielshepard1449

2 жыл бұрын

Interesting, so you are saying Kyle started this confrontation by putting out fires and confronting people over property damage during a riot? Hmm I wonder why he would do that....almost as if he purposely put himself in a scenario where he could shoot people who were rioting or something.

@Voltroc

2 жыл бұрын

@@danielshepard1449 Nah fam, it's cause he's a white supremacist looking for white people to shoot, duh.

@DB1Dragoon

2 жыл бұрын

@@danielshepard1449 Over property he and his friends were asked to protect, there are multiple pictures of Kyle and others with the owners of the property, the owners even admitted to driving the guy who helped organize the people who arrived that night, stop being dishonest.

What it comes down to is Sam hates business, property, care for your community. If he would have got shot instead of shooting he would agree he should be shot

Seder was born to a Jewish family in New York City, and raised in Worcester, Massachusetts, and is the oldest of three children.[2][3] His father, J. Robert Seder, is a well-known lawyer in Worcester. Seder earned a Bachelor of Arts degree in Religious Studies from Connecticut College and enrolled at Boston University School of Law. He later dropped out to pursue a career in comedy.[

@lilben4184

3 ай бұрын

I'm honestly surprised that the powers that be haven't forced Wikipedia to torpedo the Early Life section. It exposes them every single time.

Take a shot every time Sam gets heated about Rittenhouse and then throws his hands up and says that he doesn't care as soon as Destiny pins him on something

@caseypdx503

2 жыл бұрын

Sam "he's an asshole" Seder

@feliz2564

2 жыл бұрын

You're asking me to get wasted there buddy🤣

@danielshepard1449

Жыл бұрын

I took 0 shots

@CumSmuggler

Жыл бұрын

@@danielshepard1449 GUZZLING

@Cannablisst

Жыл бұрын

I wish I could feel a buzz we need a lower bar here

props to Seder for actually talking to you

@yoboiboy4182

2 жыл бұрын

Seder talks to just about anyone lol. He lets randoms phone into his show to debate all the time.

@henhousecannibalstudios310

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah man, thanks for making that comment , I’m a fan of Seders and learned about destiny a few years back through his show… reading through the comments in this stuff is driving me nuts.. people calling Seder the “slipperiest liar they’ve ever seen” the dude comes on Destinys stream to have a discussion about a disagreement the way he does every single day on his show with live calls .. I think these idiots have no idea that none of the political commentators they listen to would ever do that..

@yermil890

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah man props to seder for being open to aggressively lying to all kinds people and acting like hes angry/offended when they say he's a liar

@PrimoPete

2 жыл бұрын

He is only talking to Destiny coz they share an audience, of course he feels he needs to defend him fallacious arguments.

@yermil890

2 жыл бұрын

@@PrimoPete theyre not fallacious if theyre true. He only cares cuz hes like hasan or vaush. They only care cuz they want money

The patience Destiny displays with Sam constantly interrupting him is admirable, if not frustrating

Seder is an absolute god at weaseling out of situations where he is obviously wrong. He's such a rat in these debates

Holy sh*t! I can't believe Seder agreed to this.

@TravelsTTG

2 жыл бұрын

Why?

@S3aCa1mRa1n

2 жыл бұрын

He agrees when it’s convenient for him, he doesn’t want to be on Tim’s podcast.

@Axolotlian

2 жыл бұрын

@@S3aCa1mRa1n Wasn't tim the one that backed out or am I thinking of crowder?

@the_inquisitive_inquisitor

2 жыл бұрын

@@Axolotlian Crowder, for sure. Tim, maybe IDK

@ogzombieblunt4626

2 жыл бұрын

@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor Crowder never agreed to debate him...? You seem to be remembering a bad faith manuever by h3h3 and seder

If that Blake guy killed those kids and another family in a crash and was taken into custody without incident, theyd be more outraged at him not getting BK than the deaths. Pretending to care about black ppl theyd be terrified of in any other context is like fantasy football to this sect.

The bit with the cum guzzling clarification actually made me proper laugh out loud so surreal of a conversation

“What side is he on?” There it is, he was salty because Sam see’s the kid as the enemy, the other team. That’s why he treats him as such.

Rittenhouse could've been a neo nazi who went there with bad intentions. That doesn't really matter when all the guys he shot go about forcing him into situations where he can justifiably use lethal force in self defense because they're presenting a believable imminent threat of bodily harm or death to him. Being an asshole and all round bad guy doesn't mean you lose the ability to defend yourself and should just let others do you harm or try to kill you. I have no doubt his feelings were inflamed when he saw the destruction of property on TV like many others. Does that mean he can kill them for it? No, and he didn't. He killed and maimed only persons that tried to do him harm.

@metaempiricist

2 жыл бұрын

Its like Sam Hyde said: Looks like you boys just put yourself right in the middle of a self defense situation.

@adityaray86

2 жыл бұрын

looks like you are intentionally missing the point about Rittenhouse being an asshole - it is not about his character but how an untrained overzealous kid wth a gun in a dynamic protest situation is more likely to get himself and other around him in right clusterfuck, than those more experienced.

@adityaray86

2 жыл бұрын

just cuz you know how to shoot does not make you less of danger to yourself and others - in fact the more crazy you are the more unpredictable the situation. This ironically seems to guns rights americans/ and destiny's favourite blindspot. question is why.

@metaempiricist

2 жыл бұрын

@@adityaray86 The fact that you think it doesn't make you less of a danger to yourself and others to know how to safely and accurately handle and shoot a gun is insanely stupid of you.

@gogeta667

2 жыл бұрын

Kyle Rittenhouse openly supported BLM, just not the objective and overt destruction of the town his dad lived in and he worked in. He went out to clean graffiti and basically volunteered as protection. As did many others. He was attacked for his troubles, putting a fire out, by a pedophile who had driven there to riot after being let out of a mental facility. He was then assaulted multiple times in his attempts to flee the dangerous scene. Even the dude that survived, Guage somethin, admitted in court Kyle shot him only AFTER he aimed his gun. The amount of people I see who still think Kyle killed two black dudes just really is demoralizing. Those people vote and they're equal to your vote.

Hes taking the Vaush approach "he just should have submitted to mob rule"

@NicoNL

2 жыл бұрын

They’re unironically pro lynching

@roguewasbanned4746

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah the pro lynching view lmao

@danielshepard1449

2 жыл бұрын

I love how Sam didn't even say anything close to this in the video but you are programmed to use the buzzword phrases

@dillonnauta8601

2 жыл бұрын

Sam said he defended himself if you were listening. He's using the 'shouldn't have been there' argument.

@tripledigit4835

2 жыл бұрын

That’s not a fair interpretation of what Sam said. Even if you disagree with Sam on Rittenhouse he never said and implied “Rittenhouse should submit to mob rule”

Sam sounds like he’s guzzling buckets 🪣 through this whole thing.

Two men debating and talking about subjects openly is how things can get accomplished and society has worked for a very long time. And without it, we wouldn't be in great condition.

Sam says his only issue is Rittenhouse monetization, then immediately brings up John Doyle giving showing his prejudice

@erica.7231

Жыл бұрын

I just think its funny he gets seder's undies in such a twist. He should stick to playing with crowder lol

@MrGohanwill

Жыл бұрын

I mean I think he revealed his prejudice when he said he thought the kid was an a****le. Don't think he was trying to hide.

@jacksyoutubechannel4045

Жыл бұрын

My favorite part is when he says, "John Doyle [...] is [...] a white nationalist, we know this," and then later says, "I don't know much about John Doyle." (@ 0:33:24 & @ 0:45:13)

@hughquigley5337

Жыл бұрын

@@jacksyoutubechannel4045 You don't have to know much about John Doyle to know that he is a white nationalist and a conservative Catholic.

@hughquigley5337

Жыл бұрын

@@MrGohanwill People who show up to civil unrest with a firearm are the biggest assholes. They're like walking, talking, aggression inciting assholes

Henceforth i will only refer to Sam Seder as Ryan Guzzling.

24:15 you know how black people can protect themselves from cops? Don't go outside. Come on bruh, it sounds stupid doesn't it?

Sam Seder is such a tool… did he really say growing up in the CITY of Worchester MA qualified him to talk about rural areas

Sam actually makes a fair point 32:46

@dmon7056

Жыл бұрын

Thank ypu

@GeometryDashKenaz

Жыл бұрын

lmaooo

@andrenal3609

Жыл бұрын

bruh i was choking on my pasta

@ts4gv

Жыл бұрын

lmao

@adeptgopnik

Жыл бұрын

he made a really fair point when he points out Destinys absolute lack of knowledge on C.U. the fact that he thought it was appropriate to say anyone else knows nothing about the case is laughable. This proved something Ive always thought about Destiny. He likes to just say people dont know about things to essentially put himself over them on said topic. All out of laziness and not wanting to actually learn a topic himself he will put someone else down to make it seem he knows all about it. Kind of scummy.

Sam's got a real talent in speaking for an inordinate amount of time, and saying something that would take the average person 30 seconds. It's just tiring to listen too.

@BEEFDOCTOR

2 жыл бұрын

@Silent Man - I'm not sure what you mean by "that", but I should clarify what I meant. He seems to have a habit of answering a question or making a point, then proceeding to engage in pointless repetition, and / or a monologue that serves nothing.

@BEEFDOCTOR

2 жыл бұрын

@Silent Man - Sure, 16:30 - 18:22 is a good example, it's meandering and drawn out. He doesn't really make any declarative statement, rendering it useless, eg "maybe he felt such a close connection to that community that erm, he, you know, that's what spurred him on to grab a gun and go down there and patrol, or or or not. I mean, I don't know, you don't know, we can't know that" - then why bother to bring it up then? it's totally irrelevant. I realise that this could be considered a "taste" issue, but I find the delivery difficult to listen to, and the content lacking.

@BEEFDOCTOR

2 жыл бұрын

@Silent Man - Didn't say that, I was saying that Sam's statement is irrelevant. Like I said, I find his delivery difficult to listen to. You may agree or not, but that has no bearing on my opinions on the matter.

@ChrisDeVera1982

2 жыл бұрын

Imagine how he feels. He explains things fully, clearly, with evidential support, and nuance. In response, he gets lame gotchas and outta context takes It is tiring af yes Edit: Ment in regards to Destiny

@counselorguy5481

2 жыл бұрын

Vaush does the same thing.

I listen to Tim pool once in awhile so I can form decent arguments with my brother and saw you there. As a person that sits squarely in the middle I appreciate your content. It's odd we got to a place where you are not allowed to ask those even on our side hard questions but here we sit. Keep up the good work and you've earned a sub from me.

@adarshbiswas7099

Жыл бұрын

Are you joking

@motownmojo3019

Жыл бұрын

@@Eon-Blue my brother listens to his show. If I want to combat what I hear I must also listen to what he's being fed. If you don't understand that you will fall for anything.

@DaRoachDoggJrr

11 ай бұрын

@@motownmojo3019i think they thought that you listen to tim pool to get informed lol, that was kinda what it sounded like. I know that you actually meant you listen to him to learn people’s arguments.

@motownmojo3019

11 ай бұрын

@@DaRoachDoggJrr yeah my brother listens to him and those that frequent the show. It helps to know what he's saying if I know what was said. I personally think he's just the cooperate sap that drew the "support Trump " lot for whoever pays him.

@DaRoachDoggJrr

11 ай бұрын

@@motownmojo3019 i know how you feel cause my dad listens to right-wing garbage like ben shapiro and the like so i try to see where he gets his ideas from

Only real lesson you can learn from the rittenhouse case is - dont run at a guy pointing a rifle at your face - especially when your 20 feet away

Awwwww man, I can’t even watch it now because I felt my blood pressure spike in the opening. It’s gonna be goooood

@oscarosborn121

2 жыл бұрын

it should spike!

@deadteddybears_7302

2 жыл бұрын

Same bro, same

@kidathlete

2 жыл бұрын

Who'd make your blood pressure spike more in a debate Sam or Tale of Twin Rabbits?

@thedarkknight221

2 жыл бұрын

It's not even that crazy. Pretty tame, actually.

@deadteddybears_7302

2 жыл бұрын

@@kidathlete that rabbits guys was something else… 🤦🏻‍♂️

Did Destiny forget the term "lying by omission"? When Seder cherry-picks his "facts" about Rittenhouse while ignoring others and even then still get one or two wrong. Easy example of this happened as soon as the trial began and a lot of people came out on social media stating they didn't even know the people who got shot were white, which considering the context the shooting should be an important information specially since it was in the summer of love of 2020.

@HolyCanoley

2 жыл бұрын

Does Destiny not do the same thing? Forget the legal, moral, etc. points about this situation that Destiny (inexplicably in my opinion) keeps hitting his viewers and everyone he talks to about this situation over the head with...what about the common sense aspects of Kyles decisions? Is it so hard to simply say "ya, this kid was kind of a moron....and most reasonable people who not have made the decisions he did."?

@dfmrcv862

2 жыл бұрын

@@HolyCanoley if Kyle was a moron for being there with a rifle what does that say of the people that caused him to actually decide to be there? You know... The rioters setting everything on fire? If you think Kyle is a moron then you also have to agree he was at least smarter than everyone that showed up to riot over a good police shooting.

@tb8654

2 жыл бұрын

@@HolyCanoley have you watched any of Destiny's videos on this topic? He has stated exactly that a multitude of times

@tb8654

2 жыл бұрын

@@HolyCanoley have you watched any of Destiny's videos on this topic or are you just biased as hell and are trying to speak on this without even knowing anything beyond a surface level? He has stated exactly that a multitude of times

@AkaiKnight

2 жыл бұрын

@@HolyCanoley He's said that several times, but its literally never good enough for you people.

Sam: I can’t substantiate all of my claims and choose not to listen. Gets louder with every diversion

This is really easy it comes down to a choice. Would you rather be carried by 6 or judged by 12

Sam moved his goalposts so many times, it is in the parking lot now.

@illshot2785

Жыл бұрын

Your brain is so smooth it's a fucking egg.

I can't believe Destiny killed Sam Seder, with his words. And now look at him, monetizing it. Edit: After having now listened to the full discussion regarding Rittenhouse, Sam Seder is proof positive on why "Innocence until proven guilty" is vitality important to a functioning society. Buckets over here so desperately wants Rittenhouse to be guilty. When Destiny brought up how the Riots started because of fake news (every headline after Blake was shot was "Unarmed black man shot in the back 7 times by police") Buckets rambled on how his buddy 30 years ago got pulled over for driving an expensive car a lot and said that's what started the riots. Buckets has failed the NPC test and well id say he's guzzled large quantities of the proverbial koolaid, buuuuut... Adam and Sitch will be putting out a clip compilation later this week on Sam Seder totally factual not at all emotional tirade from day 1 of the Rittenhouse stuff. I hope Destiny takes a peek at it later because he only got a small shot glass of Sam's prolific guzzling of thick, thick hot white man juice.

@benrosn8154

2 жыл бұрын

That is disgusting, I don't care what you say that's just what I believe

@humpyloaddart

2 жыл бұрын

He's an asshole! That's all I'm saying!

@Sisyphus317

2 жыл бұрын

It's fxcking gross.

@andrewstar21

2 жыл бұрын

Kyle spoke with the daily caller BEFORE the shooting.. destiny acting like he was some leftist who got pushed to the right is straight up a lie.. he was literally video taped with a right wing militia before the shooting..

@capcaptainmycaptain4771

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Obama

Rittenhouse was literally getting his head bashed in by a skateboard, which could be as fatal as a bullet

Once I read Destiny use to be a libertarian all his positions now make sence.

Bring back August; I have taken his timestamps for granted.

@bliss7470

2 жыл бұрын

What happened to August?

@dawnwatching6382

2 жыл бұрын

@@bliss7470 the incident

@VerGiLL1

2 жыл бұрын

@@dawnwatching6382 incident ? Plz do share with the class.

🥛GUZZLERS UNITED 🥛

Once a grifter, always a grifter Sam.

How many times does he say guzzling buckets of @#$%. 😂😅😂

Completely irrelevant to Rittenhouse, but if people are rioting, why the hell shouldn't you be able to protect your property with lethal force? Why do rioters have a right to destroy? But suddenly people who defend their property (and more likely their lives) shouldn't do that?

@francisxavier8374

2 жыл бұрын

being unable to protect your property with lethal force would not, in any way, give rioters a right to destroy, that's fucking retarded also i think he said he was fine with people protecting their own business ( i think he mmentioned bodegas ) also with guns

@danielshepard1449

2 жыл бұрын

Because it's 1. Illegal and 2. Immoral. Property isn't a person, so why should you be able to take someone's life over it? Why do you property owners have a right to kill for their property? They don't, not in America or any other place I know of. That's why Destiny avoids directly saying he wants to kill people for property damage, but we all know that's what this is really about, so I appreciated your honesty. This debate would be much easier if conservatives just admitted they wanted to shoot people for breaking stuff.

@TheButterAnvil

2 жыл бұрын

Because my team good, capitalism bad

@holidaytrout5174

2 жыл бұрын

@@danielshepard1449 why would you risk your life to attack people's property? People's property is what makes their living. It's what they invest their money and time into. Why wouldn't they want to defend it? And why wouldn't you want to encourage this kinda wretched behavior by standing down? I don't want people to die, but they should be able to defend property destruction with lethal force

@Fingolfin30

2 жыл бұрын

@@danielshepard1449 It’s immoral to protect someone’s livelihood? That’s probably the dumbest thing I’ve heard. Kyle shot people because they attacked him, not because they were destroying property.

I love when Destiny talks to Seder or Palkman types because outside of their little editorial style videos they come off truly unhinged lol

@alazymango5511

2 жыл бұрын

I’ve been listening to MR for years and you couldn’t be more wrong. Honestly, always wanting to be correct on a technicality is so fucking childish like yea Kyle did what he did in self defense but only because his stupid ass went to a racially tense protest hoping to fulfill his fantasy of killing ppl

@maverick9708

2 жыл бұрын

@@mattbailey8599 TRUE

@barahng

2 жыл бұрын

@@mattbailey8599 "I didn't watch the trial, but I feel eminently qualified to comment on it". Totally hinged, what do you mean? 😂

@Daniel-rh7gw

2 жыл бұрын

Sam Seder is daytime television, Destiny is nighttime television. They were never gonna agree.

@danielshepard1449

Жыл бұрын

Yes the "unhinged" take of "Taking Ar-15's downtown to defend the local burger king during a BLM protest is bad"

Apparently, at the time of this debate, neither one of you had the fundamental facts Rittenhouse was staying at a friends house the night Blake was shot He was already there. He didn’t go to Kenosha because he heard about the riots. He spent more than 50% of his time in Kenosha. He worked in Kenosha his dad lives in Kenosha. His dad owns a business in Kenosha. Kenosha is definitely his community. He originally went there during the day, and there’s video evidence of him offering assistance to protesters. No weapon. He was not roaming the streets that is a false narrative . He was in one location noticed people starting a fire, grab the fire extinguisher, went to put it out. When he did, he was threatened with violence and being chased down and told he was going to be killed if he was caught. That’s when Kyle Rittenhouse shot his first attacker. When Rittenhouse heard people saying get him, he decided to run towards the police. As running toward the police down the street, he was then starting to be attacked by several others. People who he hesitated to shoot at. The only three people he actually shot were the three people that were will being life-threatening violent towards him. Imagine that? being chased down by more than a dozen people, and attacked by more than 6 and in fear of your life, you managed to only shoot the three people that were being life-threatening violent to you. Sam admits that he doesn’t know all the facts because he didn’t watch the case. He literally has no clue what he’s talking about here, and he’s formed an opinion based on his own ignorance. That should tell you a lot about Sam. He is intellectually dishonest.

39:35 So Kyle's "mistake" cost other people their lives? So his "mistake" is what convinced them to attack a man equipped with a firearm

"Wrongful death" is still downplaying the fact that it was in self-defence and has been decided at court that it was self-defence.

@HistoricaHungarica

Жыл бұрын

And lynching black people in the 19th century was a-okay i guess. After all, the judges believed so.

@danielkrcmar5395

Жыл бұрын

@@HistoricaHungarica Absolutely irrelevant and a non-comparable.

@bbegins10

Жыл бұрын

He wouldn’t have been there, it was totally irresponsible of him.

@TheSundayShooter

Жыл бұрын

@@bbegins10 Nobody was supposed to be there after curfew

@dragames

Жыл бұрын

it wasn't even ruled wrongful death. So he's actually telling a lie.

So Sam's postion is that bad things shouldn't happen? Ground breaking

@KingstonHawke

2 жыл бұрын

No. Sam's position is that Kyle is a gross idiot. And he's clearly right.

@TheHybrid350

2 жыл бұрын

It's funny to me people are critical of this being Sam's point after claiming he's wrong and factually incorrect about Rittenhouse. Then when he says what he believes, people just say oh who cares its boring bro

@shizuoheiw

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheHybrid350 it is funny, because he thinks people dieing is morally bad therefor Kyle Rittenhouse is bad because he killed people, it's literally the morality a child would have

@shizuoheiw

2 жыл бұрын

@@novelas3536 are you a fed?

@yoboiboy4182

2 жыл бұрын

@@shizuoheiw no he thinks making money off of ppls deaths is what’s morally wrong

Sam's Rittenhouse take was terrible. He literally lost every facet of the argument.

I thought borders were imaginary lines that don’t matter.

@kourtneygame1988

9 ай бұрын

Right...these fools are inconsistent as hell

destiny straight up wrong on citizens united. "this will be argued every time!" no it won't and it literally was not. it was "just fine" until citizen's united. pretty bad faith, tbh.

@megaton2169

2 жыл бұрын

How is that bad faith? Not trying to be aggressive here just wondering

@snowballeffect7812

2 жыл бұрын

@@megaton2169 sam described how it was. destiny is acting like if they didn't make the broad ruling on citizen's united, literally every media company will have to justify themselves in court. obviously that wasn't the case since if it was, we would have had this decision immediately after campaign finance reform and not wait until citizens united to appeal up to SCOTUS. it's a slippery slope strawman that is debunked prehoc. I haven't seen something so puerile from destiny in a long while.

@megaton2169

2 жыл бұрын

@@snowballeffect7812 alright i can see that thx

@snowballeffect7812

2 жыл бұрын

@@megaton2169 no problem. happy to clarify.

@undeadman7676

2 жыл бұрын

It's INCREDIBLY bad faith to start up a conversation about Citizen's United for dunking points in a debate about Kyle Rittenhouse. Of course Destiny isn't going to get it right. He wrote all of his notes for Kyle Rittenhouse. Not giving your opponent prep time is a super dick move.

I love that Sam Seder coined the term “Jizzling”

@wellthissucks112

Жыл бұрын

this made me laugh out loud.

@christxervixian8538

Жыл бұрын

@@wellthissucks112 You could tell he was looking for the word "guzzling" (like used 2-3 mins before) but he couldnt find it

Nobody on the internet hears the following words more frequently than Destiny: “you have no idea what you’re talking about”. I think it’s time to give it away bro.

He was assaulted, and then LIED ABOUT FEROCIOUSLY, Of course he's going to and tell his side

8:00 it is SUPER clever and smart that Destiny has started this convo with 8 minutes of saying "here's a problem we agree on, and here's the culprit we agree on." so that later when Destiny says "and here's examples of YOU doing this bad thing, too." he looks super fair.

@theprofesionalist7927

2 жыл бұрын

I honestly think that's the best way U can start any debate/convo in gud faith.

@RohoSombrero

2 жыл бұрын

Looked super fair? Seder showed very clearly Destiny’s hypocrisy. Destiny was doing EXACTLY what he accused Seder of doing- and Seder was not. He was able to easily justify everything he said and Destiny even admitted his facts were accurate. Destiny lost this one badly.

@Falroth

2 жыл бұрын

@@RohoSombrero only if you failed to follow the conversation. Seder's framing of the situation is untenable.

@MMAGamblingTips

2 жыл бұрын

@@Falroth How’s so?

@Falroth

2 жыл бұрын

@@MMAGamblingTips lying by omission regarding getting attacked unprovoked, saying things like "he killed people to defend property". See Destiny's George Floyd fentanyl example to see why this is is dishonest

Him going from calm and using passive language saying he didn't follow the trial to then get that heated and raise his voice defending his characterization of an event he admits he didn't follow the trail for is surreal to watch play out. It so clearly displays the word games he's playing whether he realizes he's playing them or not.

@kraftdinna5650

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly

@meteorwalkergg

2 жыл бұрын

left wing Crowder is all I'm seeing

@counselorguy5481

2 жыл бұрын

He's a weasel, it's the same thing when people call his show with a disagreement

@leonardodavinci7524

2 жыл бұрын

@@meteorwalkergg strech only a right wing hog say .

@zaphodbebop105

2 жыл бұрын

“Word games”, hahaha

Sam Cedar didn’t watch the trial. And I didn't watch Sam Seder. Let's keep it that way.

Destiny is spot on in re to Citizens United. Despite Sam's unsubstantiated claims to the contrary (and he even, unwittingly, discounts his own assertion) there was no effective way to constrain the decision on Citizens United to *just* media companies and only under specific, arbitrary rules that don't even exist.

'50 million dollars of damage' 'So you have a problem with me saying skittles' smh

The second he said he didn't watch the trial I knew I wouldn't be able take anything he said seriously. What a joke.

@theaviationist.5719

Жыл бұрын

But the trial was irrelevant.. The point they were arguing was not a legal or constitutional one. It was about Kyle turning up with a gun at a highly and emotionally charged riot. Tempers were very high but he drove for 20 minutes into another town with a gun.. That was stupid. That's like a Leftist turning up with a gun at the Right Wing Capitol Hill riot (amateuristic insurrection of January 6th). That would be a recipe for disaster.. It's better to stay away from such stuff and let the police or trained security personnel deal with such.. Trying to play superhero RAMBO or CHUCK NORRIS here to save the world is stupid.. Isn't it?

@misssummersalt

Жыл бұрын

So you like to jump to conclusions. You do you Mr. Hop.

@madara211000

Жыл бұрын

@@misssummersalt If you admit to not watching the trial which gave multiple angles and stills from the incident; AND, with the bicep guy admitting he pointed his gun at Kyle's head prior to Kyle shooting him, then it really does show that your opinions on this don't need to be taken seriously

@Gravioli.

Жыл бұрын

@@misssummersalt watching the trial means you actually know the facts as opposed to just what was on the media and your own feelings

@albertbecerra

Жыл бұрын

You honestly don't even have to watch the trial, just watch the literal footage of the incident.

Destiny, kudos to you sir for doing these debates. Keep up the great work. I watch these and recall how I debated with my dad, friends, and acquaintances about lesser issues years ago. I would argue with facts and logic, keeping it in the pocket, and trying to get to the crux of the matter. I would be met with the same behaviors as Sam Seder, David Pakman, etc. - refusing to concede the point, obfuscating, changing subjects to something else, and when that didn't work, getting aggressive, attacking your character or just lashing out trying to hurt you. Sam Seder sounds exactly like my dad - he got so offended and so aggressive, taking it so personally. You have some mental fortitude! Just know we appreciate you willing to put yourself on the line in the public sphere like this!

@monotech20.14

10 ай бұрын

Seder never said that it wasn't self defense. Seder said Rittenhouse shouldn't have gone there w/ a firearm , which would most likely be used and THEN making money off it. Thats what Seder said he has a problem with. Its not hard to figure out.

@malechiturner.357

9 ай бұрын

@@monotech20.14 You go ahead and cowar waiting for the police to save your family chum... They won't, they only protect the wealthy hoods & clean up the messes in poorer neighborhoods after the fact. Also, the political victimhood grifters are still trying to stoke hatred & lawsuits against him.. so I hope he gets all the money & your Momma's house too. Also, if you say that same dumb "not hard to figure out" line one more time... Ima turn dat mouth into a fine red mist 🤣 🩸🩸🩸🕶️

@Mark-xh8md

7 ай бұрын

@@monotech20.14 Rittenhouse had just as much right to be there as the trash he took out. Even more, actually.