Seems like this govt is learning from the Singapore experience for total healthcare and wellness

@riddhirs1555

Ай бұрын

What do you mean??

Please get rid of junk food vending machines in hospitals.

@patmcguirk5299

Ай бұрын

Get the WI stalls back.

Ah the maturity, the competence, the sensibility. Phew.

@Sjb-on5xt

Ай бұрын

Sarcasm is strong here.

So refreshing to have the grownups back in the room after the toxic incompetence and corruption of the Tories

@ftftyffghfvghfcht6701

Ай бұрын

how do you figure that?

@Steven-ly9ei

Ай бұрын

It's easy when there is little disagreement between the 2 tory party's like. only have to be competently evil to be a technical improvement

@DrAshaphim

Ай бұрын

​@@Steven-ly9ei If you can't tell the difference by now, it's hopeless

@ukbloke28

Ай бұрын

​@@Steven-ly9ei zzz. cliches. it's not 1997. what he is proposing is nothing like Blair's policy making. This is new thinking, and I think it will work, given time.

@ukbloke28

Ай бұрын

@@mikeyacson9542 There's more original thinking in this one interview than the tories evidenced in 14 years. Youthful, fresh ideas is exactly what we need.

So can someone explain how we can't afford the NHS as it is but increasing the input of private healthcare providers who are more expensive because they are making profits as well is going to somehow make the system more affordable?

@Steven-ly9ei

Ай бұрын

Have nothing to add, just want a notification when someone answers this.....

@gillb9222

Ай бұрын

@@Steven-ly9ei it seems an obvious question doesn't it? It certainly didn't work when a huge number of nurses left the NHS to work for agencies because the agencies paid more. Then the agencies started filling the gaps caused by the nurses leaving and charged a lot more to cover the higher nurses pay plus their own charges so they could make profits. How is that more cost effective than just paying the nurses what the agencies were paying? It makes no sense

@Listlesscheese

Ай бұрын

I work in private sector health care. We have the same contract as our hospital equivalent and have to meet the same standards, but because we consider finances, we are much more efficient and can thus see more patients per clinic

@RhysBrown-fs7tb

Ай бұрын

I believe it is compelling private sector capacity to help in order to clear the backlogs, you're right long term it seems expensive so will see how much private sector input we get long-term. But the cost of using private sector to clear waiting lists seems sensible compared with the costs related to delaying care to people (both morally and money wise)

@mattelswood9367

Ай бұрын

A lot of people that work in the NHS effectively contribute nothing, at huge cost. The private sector does not allow for this

I feel so much more at peace now they are in control. For the first time in ages I see hope for our country. Lets see what they do with the power they have ❤

@suebeaney1397

Ай бұрын

Well said

@bosvigos9165

Ай бұрын

I left the England for ROI ten years ago. I am almost tempted to return now but I do like being in the EU I have to say and a pension increase.

@catherinekeller4230

Ай бұрын

Hi catlady ( i'm a cat lover too) yes he is actually talking sense..and he has the passion and drive with it 👍🐈‍⬛

@NickRobinson-ri4hu

Ай бұрын

@@bosvigos9165 With respect. they've only been in power a few days lets not get ahead of ourselves

Such a refreshing and vision speech- change is like day light from the previous administration

>Tax fast food and junk/unhealthy snacks. >Use the money to subsidize fruit, veg and healthy food.

@nowgrownup

Ай бұрын

You think so your delusional 😂😂

@dawseyboy1

Ай бұрын

that would obviously be great, I just don't think its possible or would work. I think you would just end up with a cigarette alcohol situation where you just get more tax and no change in supply and demand. but, you could tax fast food, unhealthy food, oil, sugar (depends), junk food - to the extend where, you make it unaffordable for 50% of the population

Please please do not go the Australian route. The governmental medicare subsidy that GPs get is not keeping pace with inflation. The legislation changed to allow GPs to charge whatever they like and we are now seeing gap payments preventing people from going to the GP. The NHS is amazing in what it has delivered and its potential to deliver again. It deserves to be nurtured, which will ultimately ensure a healthier and more productive workforce.

Funny how it’s not a doctor talking about future of health 😂

Trade offs for whose benefit?

Really nice interview format

Eloquently and consicey delivered

It all sounds very positive from all the new ministers of state .. they seem to be leveling with the Public .. lets hope it pays off

Understanding the link between waiting lists and growth is so refreshing to see someone gets it. Get people healthy they get back to work, saves and makes money

@WedgeOfSpite

Ай бұрын

And preventative care creates a healthier and therefore more productive work force. Like it's a big d'uh, but one that constantly eludes conservatives.

@chester6343

Ай бұрын

Why go back to work when they cut your benefits? There is no incentive.

@bb_nation7963

Ай бұрын

@@WedgeOfSpiteit’s amazing how implementing common sense is so much more effective that just spouting ‘common sense’ slogans

@bb_nation7963

Ай бұрын

@@chester6343what?

@bb_nation7963

Ай бұрын

@@chester6343what?

They need to make working for the NHS attractive. Improve the working conditions and maybe freeze student loan payments for staff for the length of their employment. If they leave for the private sector the student loan gets released. Reduce the use of agency staff as a long term goal. My daughter’s hospital has a private ward which raises funds for the hospital trust.

@mypointofview1111

Ай бұрын

What, so they end up at pensionable age still paying off student debt? That's not a solution. Higher education should be free as the government gets more tax receipts from graduates over the lifetime of the students

@maryf720

Ай бұрын

@@mypointofview1111 The loan gets written off after 30-40 years anyway. The time period shouldn't freeze, just the payments. I don't agree with the debt in the first place, but this may be a start.

I’d happily pay to see a GP if it meant a better service than what we have now, which is non existent!

@sanchezz4387

Ай бұрын

Your the example of how the Tories wanted to privatise the NHS by stealth

@schofield4836

Ай бұрын

@@sanchezz4387 maybe so. However, now the Labour Party want to and I can afford to pay so I don’t mind. I would mind if I couldn’t ! If you can’t afford it, sir/madam I really don’t mind my hard earned taxes paying for you. The nhs is in crisis, the likes of which it’s never seen, since Bevan. Those who can afford to, need to help others less fortunate and bring it out of crisis. It is not sustainable in its current form. Reality hurts! You can’t bury your head in the sand

I think that is a lack of understanding from Wes there, the issue was you could not book up an appointment into the future which would be convenient for the patient & be efficient / allow planning for the GP practice. The reason you could not book in advance was the disfunction of imposed targets / the law of unintended consequences. There was a requirement for people to be able to see their GP within 48 hrs, therefore no other option was provided for.

@Jmcinally94

Ай бұрын

He doesn't misunderstand, he's deliberately mischaracterizing things so that he can make anyone who has any opposition to him or his policy seem illogical.

@ynwa5xinistanbul

Ай бұрын

@@Jmcinally94 agreed

You are a clever man with much power and responsibility. You have to decide which one is the more important and then use the other to guide you!

If the Tories were so bad ( and they were ) being better should be easy, surely?

@drummingtildeath

Ай бұрын

Do not underestimate how much the tories have salted the earth. They have damaged the economy, built up huge debts, and ensured that most of our services are dysfunctional. It isn't easy to follow people that deliberately break everything.

@jan2000nl

Ай бұрын

And we are relieved, because for a while there it seemed the nightmare would never end

@jernaugurgeh451

Ай бұрын

@@jan2000nl Yes, but it’s the same old talk about ‘economic growth’ in the NHS and social care - so, continuing marketisation and privatisation… Not to mention ‘getting people back to work’ - so, continuing harrassment and demonisation of the sick and disabled. I was happy to see the back of the Tories (though sickened to see the number of their voters who’ve turn to those far-right grifters Reform) but it seems like more of the same neoliberal nonsense from Labour…

WOW!

Interviewer so anxious to intervene he has his pen ready to stab WS and probably not listening.

Very timely dialogue.

He hasn’t really said anything. But underneath it is privatisation

@davespeedy5365

Ай бұрын

What

@jernaugurgeh451

Ай бұрын

@@kingoftheseamusic Yep! Oh, and continuing harrassment of the sick and disabled to ‘get back to work’.

More privatisation does not help pur NHS it makes it worse.

I call this "Expansive thinking"..it's the long range and not the " quick fix" he's smart and passionate about the NHS...Let's hope he does not get jaded in a year or so!

Time will tell... Time to put their money.. if there is any.. where their mouth is

@gsjame

Ай бұрын

Who’s money?

@Baxwell.

Ай бұрын

It's the Bank of England's money, of which we have an unlimited amount. Currency sovereign nations like the UK issue new money when we need it. Taxes are levied (and gilts sold) after-the-fact as an inflation reduction mechanism. How much inflation, if any, will that spending generate? We don't bother to figure that out. We just match what we take out with what we put in. It's the lazy way.

@laurenceritchie

Ай бұрын

There is no money. Tories blew 131 billion of our money on themselves

Bring back National Insurance and make it represent the actual cost

Key failure of the current NHS was the dismantling of Strategic Health Authorities. Hope Wes Streeting will bring in a Strategic planning mechanism.

I hate to say it, but I have listened halfway through so far and heard nothing but soundbites. He is not even making it clear who needs to be saying what to whom. For instance: well-organised preventive and primary healthcare is absolutely a driver down of healthcare costs AND a contributor to economic success. But this has been known for decades. Centuries, in fact. I hear nothing on how he thinks this will be better achieved in an age of “lifestyle-related” diseases driven partly by products, services and circumstances that are detrimental to public health, from ultra processed foods to out-of-town car-based retail to decreasing opportunities for children to enjoy the outdoors. What is he actually going to do to address specific problems?

@dianeshelton9592

Ай бұрын

It has to be said what I want from a government minister, is looking at problem, planning to solve the problem then working to solve the problem. Day 5 I think is still investigating the problem

@daftgowk1

Ай бұрын

I heard more from him than i have in the last 14 years though, from those that let thousands die while starving kids during a pandemic. Just saying

@MartynThomas1

Ай бұрын

Exactly. He's been in the job for one and a half days. Why isn't everything fixed yet ?

@drummingtildeath

Ай бұрын

That seems like a big ask after 5 days in the job. Maybe give him the opportunity to get into the details rather than criticising him for giving a general overview?

@ukbloke28

Ай бұрын

How much do you think someone can expand on in one interview? A few days after taking power? Is the point of it to literally go into fine detail about who talks to who,, are you serious?! Christ's sake, give it time. Sure, we know that prevention makes countries like Cuba super successful in health. But when have we had anyone in this country actually frontline that in policy making? It can change the entire way the NHS works. It's a paradigm shift. Lifestyle stuff - some of that is personal choice. Some of it can be helped by education and access to resources. Some of it by addressing pollution. Some of it can be helped by reframing the country as a positive environment where everyone is respected and valued, where there is hope, where there is a new set of parameters defining national pride. I see the seeds of all of this in the early words of this government. The biggest impediment to it at the moment is this incessant cynicism and insistence on trying to predict the future based on the past.

Interesting from Wes streeting, but its ridiculous idea from wes that Junior Doctors don't want more pay

. Why is NHS buying Teleradiology services within the UK on the justification that they do not have enough Radiologists , whilst it’s the same capacity NHS Radiologist that does the private Teleradiology work at a higher fee. As a consequence the Teleradiology companies acting as the middle man between capacity and demand are paid huge fees for a short-term fix . It may be justified if Radiologist capacity was increased by contracting with Radiologists outside the country and take advantage of the time-difference.

Nice to have the NHS back without privatised corruption.

I do not trust Streeting and his ambition to hand over the NHS to the private sector. Look at what the private sector did to our public transport, water, environment and energy 🤷‍♂

@daveotter7942

Ай бұрын

He doesn't have that ambition. Pay attention!

@inbb510

Ай бұрын

Europe has a similar system to what Streeting is proposing. At least the short term. The UK and especially England does have a lot of free capacity in the private sector which we can be using to reduce waiting times, and use this bought time to make long-term reforms to NHS.

@tomthorpe1701

Ай бұрын

He's actually rolled back many of his propositions for private sector reform in the NHS

@Steven-ly9ei

Ай бұрын

​@inbb510 we could also just abolish the cancer which is private health care. Litrerally life for profit. It's not like that capacity vanishes. If we employ the doctors. And buy (or just sieze) the property. That is now NHS capacity. away from the scumbags who find a way to sleep at night, honestly more impressed by that. Than their so called accomplishments

@michaelfoy

Ай бұрын

And you trusted the Tories????? As a Nurse with NHS service since 1973.....I can tell you....WE DONT!!!

Wreckon you could save billions in the NHS by 1) Putting nutrition education in schools and on Doc degrees that prevent health problems - heart desease, diabetes... 2)Stop audio typing and instead get doctors to transcribe directly into MS word - doctors do degrees with thesis so they do know how to use MS Word !

@ukbloke28

Ай бұрын

they do teach about nutrition at school. people eat badly for a lot of reasons - feeling low, lacking money etc

@kendalley2314

Ай бұрын

… doctors have been doing their own letters for more than a decade … often in their own time after a busy day in clinics and theatre … plus don’t forget the 100s of hours many give in their own time to preparing specialist exams for the Royal Colleges and all for free

@markbrad123

Ай бұрын

@@kendalley2314 I went for a job interview at the NHS and they said Docs are not allowed to transcribe into MS Word. Something about they must use a system called Big Hand desptie protest of duplication of work and how long it takes to audio type with tape only. It really is a no brainer to record and transicribe straight to MS Word if Doctors are going to make a recording anyway.

Hasn't he accepted gratuities from companies involved in the private health sector?

So many comments thankful for having someone sensible and competent but all I'm hearing is up in the air, obvious statements without any real policy to back it up. How much money will the NHS get? Will it be more or less than previously? Where will the money go? What will the priorities be? What spending will be cut? How will the NHS be made more efficient? I haven't learnt anything new from this.

@astrafaan

23 күн бұрын

you're listening to a politician - and a Left wing one even at that - why would you expect any sort of thing other than vague platitudes? I suspect by the time this lot leave the NHS wil be the least of our problems

Instructive when he talks about begging bowl culture. A system that has been underfunded and defunded workforce investment alongside capital investment. Why would they say they need more money to actually carry out the work they’re asked to do? That should be obvious. It’s not begging bowl it’s expectation management. If you want the system to work you have to put the money into it.

Are his shares in Medtech by any chance?

Wes Streeting’s word salad - he has accepted donations from private health providers. They don’t give without expecting to receive.

@Jmcinally94

Ай бұрын

"Labour would use private providers to reduce NHS wait times" Jan 2022 "NHS should 'seek to use' private healthcare capacity" Mar 2024 Now there's no new funding until NHS 'reform'. I agree there are issues, but not funding the public sector doesn't tend to lead to better outcomes. You can fix systemic issues WHILST reversing austerity. Labour's unwillingness to borrow to invest is only going to carry on the Tory legacy of claiming the public is not fit for purpose (because it's underfunded) as an excuse to privatise further. They'll be slick about it, it will happen in the background because it's terrible for optics. But those donations weren't for nothing. Maybe I'm a "middle class lefty" for calling that out though.

Smart guy at last in the position to do something to benefit people?

For those who read 'New Economics' by Edward Demming, this will sound familar. Cut the source to lower the greater overheads.

The only way I see to release pressure off the NHS is to make NHS service available through Health Insurance. Health Insurance payments should be provided by their employers which will also encourage people to find a job and stay in a job. If people can afford to pay annual Car Insurance, they can certainly pay Health Insurance contribution for their health needs with support from employers. The state could then provide Health Insurance for those on benefits under social care reform. That way people will know the limit of their coverage and pay more attention to their health. Save the NHS ! 😱..

I really hope they are going for a national health insurance system. Only thing that makes sense to me. Encompass private and public providers in it just like South Korea.

Welsh NHS is a mess. I want to be optimistic and I’m glad they are in control now but please sort it out here. As part of the Welsh NHS workforce it’s a total nightmare- and Welsh labour have been terrible

I'm watching this and thinking he's either very nervous, or erm he's not done his homework. He should spend 1 week down the A&E. I also feel he's underreprepared because he was asked a very specific question then bounced onto "get people back to work" where's the link?

Seems like NHS was waiting for a promising person like Wes Streeting to bring improvement; but the time will show what he can do

I give him a 3/5

Excellent interview 😊

It’s a shame he is giving an excuse saying he is aware of the situation from just past5 days. He was so driven in opposition, he had no better solutions. Is there no corruption in the NHS procurement ? Asking the Trust CEO s 🤔

Paving his way for a career at WHO/ WEF in 4 years time.

@DrAshaphim

Ай бұрын

What's wrong with what he said so far?

@heliotropezzz333

Ай бұрын

There are some obsessives on the subject of WHO/WEF.

@lmr3639

Ай бұрын

@@DrAshaphim He didn't say anything. Just the usual vague platitudes. Meaningless word salad said by countless politicians before.

@nowgrownup

Ай бұрын

​@@heliotropezzz333 wait till 2030 you will find out 😂

@DrAshaphim

Ай бұрын

@@lmr3639 He said more than Victoria Atkins said in the last 6 months, at least he identified actual problems like tech, and it's negotiating immediately. Let's just see how it goes.

KUBAMUTA❤😊

privatisation has been a disaster - just look at the state of the NHS since PFI etc? mad targets and staff burn out

sorry for being english but where is said speech? or is he sat down talking .. that aint no speech.. fix ya title

Bet the hospitals are relived they dont have to focus on treating people for their health problems anymore....

The spin commences once again. Fine words without the action will be the order of the day. Ive seen it all before.

He is just words!!! I wont believe on some one who would keep blaming previous government!!! Just tell what is ur planing!!!

@heliotropezzz333

Ай бұрын

If he settles the junior doctors strike that will be a big help but he will hardly have detailed plans ready in the first week of entering office and seeing the books. He has talked elsewhere about shifting more funds into primary care (a specific number more GP appointments available but I can't remember the number), working more towards preventative care, increasing GP appointments, improving mental health services.

Are they off work sick because they are sick maybe.

@moomin7461

Ай бұрын

Most yes. There are many people waiting for treatment.

@anthonyseye

Ай бұрын

@@moomin7461 yes I agree, it just sounded a little like recent sick note culture talk. Give me time I'm still trying to detox from the last fourteen years.

"My left wing principles" biggest liar since sunak.

Oh ...

He's so full of $hit its painful. Still, he sounds better than the last dozen or so to grace his job. I'm not optimistic though

Srarmer chose to keep Tory policies.

We nearly got this prat. Only 400 seats in it. Wes, next election you're done.

I’ve heard it all before kiddies……

@heliotropezzz333

Ай бұрын

As my Mum used to say 'Well you're hearing it behind now'.

I think he means intrinsically linked 😅

Fully digitalisation of NHS, will give hackers a piece of slice too 🤨

@Jmcinally94

Ай бұрын

Using any technology opens things up to vulnerability, but you can mitigate risk. What are we going to do, continue with pencils and paper for the rest of our lives? I can't even tell you how many apts I've heard people go to only to find out they were cancelled and should have been contacted, or the Doctors didn't have their notes so they got turned away. It feels like every hospital, surgery, region has their own decades old IT system with no cohesion. This is necessary. What isn't is all the private health investment that Streeting plans to use our taxes for.

@aarya_ai

Ай бұрын

Better than the mishmash of antiquated systems currently in place. Fax machines.. ffs!

Intuitively I do not think this man is genuine, or clever enough.

Let the blame game begin… yes yes ok..the conservatives messed it up but but..what are you going to do to make the changes!??? To me..he’s just waffling… omg he’s now annoying me… WHAT are you going to do about it??

@johnhughes2113

Ай бұрын

You have an OFF button

@zam1007

Ай бұрын

​@@johnhughes2113does Streeting have an off button 🤔

@artezab9616

Ай бұрын

​@@johnhughes2113thank you for reminding me. I stopped watching half way through

@baggaz167

Ай бұрын

He's said they're doubling the number of MRI scanners that use AI to facilitate faster diagnosis and updating the I.T. systems that are thirty years out of date is going to improve productivity within the NHS to drastically reduce waiting times. Improving economic growth is a part of the plan too because essentially, if people are earning more, they're paying more tax which in turn helps increase the NHS budget.

@dog_chasing_cars7576

Ай бұрын

Wes very clearly outlines that he's going to update the technology of the NHS, lean a little more on private healthcare providers, and shift treatment of significantly large areas which are under pressure out of the NHS (mental health, social care, prevention). which bit didn't you hear?

Where is all the money coming from .Reeves said not much left Labour government would need at least 50 billion to start with Financial analysts have stated ..

Streeting ... how much advice are you getting from big pharma?

@ParaquatSC

Ай бұрын

"big pharma" bro you might want some American soap opera, but it really doesn't exist here

In 12 months time NOTHING will have changed…….

@heliotropezzz333

Ай бұрын

I bet you £5 it will.

@lestrem11

Ай бұрын

@@heliotropezzz333 Name 5 things that will have changed.

@jonathanwhite460

Ай бұрын

i guess you much prefer the country to fail than be proved wrong.

@gtsekar

Ай бұрын

How do you expect 14 years of corruption to get solved in a year? Be realistic

@tyliusc25

Ай бұрын

A fortune teller - again 🤣

Mad Wesley, pure Tory how can he see health as growth. The man’s mad as a hatter. Ps he loves a donation from private health does our Wes.

Why does he look like starmer

He’s trying really hard to say something clever 😂

Be realistic, Wes, you can't do this just because you don't know how.

@lyudmilakutsenko7045

Ай бұрын

Your numbers are gonna increase to some extend just because COVID pandemic is over, that's all "you" can do.

@lyudmilakutsenko7045

Ай бұрын

Aside from numbers, you won't solve neither waiting lists, nor immigrants crisis.

@lyudmilakutsenko7045

Ай бұрын

You need education for that but you think all the doctors do is playing with skeletons and that you can.

Sorry to say this is disappointing! Blame conservatives and offer no forward action. Rabbit in headlights he went last!

Any thoughts on the diabolical Welsh NHS Wes ???...the worst record in the UK ....

What else can we say? It's the guardian.😂

@brainworm666

Ай бұрын

Sorry Jacqueline, could you expand on your views. What are you trying to say here?

@adamtiley93

Ай бұрын

Wes Streeting doesn't work for The Guardian

@ukbloke28

Ай бұрын

the guardian controls what Streeting says? You sound confused.

@timelord5920

Ай бұрын

It wasn’t a Guardian event.

So....how exactly are you going to do this growth thing in health and social care? Humm? And do you actually have any plan to solve the waiting list issues? None the wiser yet.....😢 Change? How? Paid for how?

@sanchezz4387

Ай бұрын

First thing ....get the waiting list down which gets people back to work quicker and gets more taxes into the treasury....that in turn gives more money for investment .....it's a positive change of the wheel and it's quite simple

There’s is “a bit of the night “ about Streeting

its not FREE at the point of use - we all pay TAX

"I nearly rolled over and died" 😂

@tommortimer9222

Ай бұрын

Irony rolled over and died

You have put a boy in charge of the NHZ, jeez. Pack your bags folks 😅

@aarya_ai

Ай бұрын

A mature and sensible boy who has a strong set of values

Is this guy health secretary or chancellor!

Waffle piffle, what are you going to do !!! Hang on Labour agreed with everything that the Tories did in the pandemic, you should have tried opposing some of it if you disagreed.

@ukbloke28

Ай бұрын

It's very clear, as an overview. Specific moves - they immediately announced redirecting funding to GPs to fix the front door of the NHS. That's a bigger move than the tories made in 14 years.

Single payer model

Seems he has no idea of how to even start to solve the problems. Hope I am wrong.

NHS has approved plans for 11 new hospitals plus 21 extensions to existing hospitals. OK not the 40 in the Tory manifesto but not exactly the “short termism” claimed by our new Health Minister. Like Reeves, Streeting needs a better speech writer. Yvette Cooper should have been given this position - she’ll be a competent Home Secretary but she’d be a great Heath Minister. I look forward to Starmers first reshuffle😂

So much waffle….what people want is a NHS that delivers timely patient care. Is bringing growth to the NHS code for privatising it?

How are you going to fix it ? By growing the Economy 😂 How ? By rethinking and shift in mindset and cutting waiting time. How ? Long-term decision… blah blah. …. I have only been on job for 5 days. Double the number of AI-enabled CT and MRI scanners . Does he know what he is talking about ? 🤔🙈🙈🙈😭

GROWTH GROWTH GROWTH Oh FFS… my hope for a change under Labour has gone right out the window…

This is hands down the most awkward and bigoted guy in Starmer's cabinet. I bet he was part of the deal he agreed upon with Mike Pompeo and Mowsad.

You can always tell when a politician is lying, they open their mouth. What kind of a democracy is it when 80% of people are so disillusioned with politics that they can't be bothered to vote?

@drummingtildeath

Ай бұрын

Turnout was 60% wasn't it? So 40% didn't vote. Why did you double that figure?

@ukbloke28

Ай бұрын

One after 14 years of truly corrupt, uncaring government from the Tories, part of which was to constantly gaslight the population into thinking exactly what you just expressed. It's a new day son, just give it time and watch how it plays out.

@timelord5920

Ай бұрын

You’re confused about the numbers you’ve heard. Turnout was 60%, 6 people out of every 10 who could vote, did vote. Labour got around 1/3rd of the vote, so 2 out of the 6. That computes to 2 in 10 or 20% of the eligible vote population. Ergo, 80% of the eligible voting population didn’t vote Labour. And hence renewed talk about proportional representation. But thus has it always been for other parties. Those making a noise about it now didn’t do so when it was the Liberal Democrat’s getting 25% of the vote for around 60 seats.

@drummingtildeath

Ай бұрын

@timelord5920 many of those talking about PR also think that a second referendum on brexit was anathema to democracy, but are now calling for PR despite us rejecting electoral reform not that long ago.

@ukbloke28

Ай бұрын

@@drummingtildeath Exactly. Farage is, unsurprisingly, being an outright hypocrite about his definitions of democracy yet again. Of course he finds moral superiority in the option that gives him more power. No different to when he said he'd fight a close Brexit result if Leave lost, then immediately condemned Remain voters for not lying prone.

rubbish talk

@lcg8220

Ай бұрын

Maybe try listening instead of getting your opinion through daily mail headlines.

@Steven-ly9ei

Ай бұрын

​​@@lcg8220what do you mean daily mirror reader? This mug is actually trying to convince you the private health providers aren't in it for profit. I'd argue you'd have to be as critical as a daily mirror reader to just believe that. there is no need for a peivate health sector at all. Much less to give government money. gbenergy. Is also just funneling our cash to private companies. We will not evem own any generation capacity. how any respectable labour supporter can accept this in any way beyond they aren't the blue tory party. Is baffling to me. party of privatisation. Their manifesto is coveted in it.

No Experience, seems scared, out of his depths, I could do better 😅

@daveotter7942

Ай бұрын

No you couldn't. Not a hope.

@dog_chasing_cars7576

Ай бұрын

go ahead

Border control v birth control when the wives arrive

@DrAshaphim

Ай бұрын

What happened to you to make you like this? 😅