This might sound ridiculous, but I find it so refreshing hearing a metal guitar tone tuned to standard... don't get me wrong, I enjoy some low ish tunings, but something sounds extra pissed off about good old E or thereabouts. Cheers big man

@belligerentamateur

3 жыл бұрын

Hey man! Not ridiculous at all! There's still a lot of guys out there that love the old school thrash and crossover, that seems to be why they come to my channel haba

@ABHORRANCE831

3 жыл бұрын

@@belligerentamateur Agreed. I find that EQ'ing perfect. That's what I like about how you and Reza EQ amps in your demos.

@stephendre2902

3 жыл бұрын

Shit sounds tight

@simondumoulin6278

3 жыл бұрын

You are soooooo right, guys demoing amps with guitars down tuned To drop Z completely miss the point, we wanna hear the amp not some sludgy mess !!!

@gbirdo4718

3 жыл бұрын

I like standard tune way more. I Love Fluff’s videos but his tones are always ass cuss he tunes down. You can’t hear the difference as much. I love these videos.

The comparison we’ve all been waiting for

The 6l6 has a little more raspy old school sound to my ear. The stealth is a bit tighter but the 6l6 just has that Strachey sound I really like that make the chugs have that train moment sound. Just my opinion. I’m 52 and I like that dirty sound that not so round. 🤷🏻‍♂️

The EVH stuff is really hard to beat at their price points, especially when used.

@belligerentamateur

3 жыл бұрын

Best deal on the market, IMO

@lefooo

2 жыл бұрын

Peavey 6505/6505+/5150 is a better deal in my humble opinion.

@sqlb3rn

2 жыл бұрын

@@lefooo a Peavey Ultra 120 is an even better deal, but like the 6505 they sound different than the EVH 5153

@danielnutt9

Жыл бұрын

​@@lefooo but the cleans aren't very good

@mozeby1975

Жыл бұрын

I’d say the PRS MT15 and Archon are an even bigger bargain. Engl Fireball 25 , Laney Ironheart 60 same price class as well. The EVH are good but there’s others now that are pretty damn close in price and offer a lot of gain and tone per dollar.

Your riffs have Sylosis influence! Nice demo, great riffs!

I'd say the extra 200 is still worth it considering the stealth has the bias jacks. That alone makes the extra money worth spending! They both sound dope though!

You know what mate, I thought I clicked on the fluff video for a previous demo you did and I was thinking: "Wowwww Fluff is writing some sick riffs these days!"... then realized it was not fluff :D !! Great channel my mate and sick playing!

The red channel unboosted is my favorite part of these amps. Raise the mids a bit and lower the bass with gain about noon. Compressed with a lot of sustain for leads but you keep the dynamics that can get lost with a boost on the blue channel

@lucwilson1

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed - love the unboosted red on my Stealth 50. Has some nice grit and depth.

@ABHORRANCE831

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed, Red Unboosted is totally the way to go. However, from both listening, and personal experience with these amps, I like this EQ perfect where it's at.

Hey dude, I just realized you had a KZread channel. I’m the guitarist for Concrete Ties. Saw you in reading at the holiday jam you guys killed it. Also I think I’m buying that 6l6 model tomorrow, my 6505+ keeps giving me issues on stage and I don’t trust it live anymore.

Hey man. Great vid, great playing and great analysis. 👍🤘

I just got the Stealth last night and I have to say this is the first amp that I have played that sounds almost perfect with everything just at noon. Doesn't need much tweaking at all.

@Harrysound

6 ай бұрын

I have an AXE FX and for year haven't been able to get away from the 5153. Its the best amp I think....

Dude you have to do the 6L6 version vs the EL34 version! this is the best evh comparison video on KZread

Cheers Kyle, fantastic demo 👊👊👊

@belligerentamateur

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks man!

Thanks man!! Just the video I was looking for! I have the 5150 III 6l6 2nd version (with the dual concentric pots) and I love it. My favorite amp I’ve ever had. But I’ve been really wanting to compare it to the Stealth version. After watching this video, my question has been answered. I’m hanging onto mine but am going to add the Stealth to the arsenal!

@AD1978leo

3 жыл бұрын

I have the Stealth because it was available when I was ready to buy but if I'd had the 6l6 first I don't think there's enough difference to justify it. A eq in the loop could get them damn near identical I think. The 6L6 is a badass amp also. Edit.. well shit, Kyle just said the same thing lol

I'd love to hear a band mixed with both of these together. seems like it would make a pretty well rounded sound together. great video man!

Great review man!

What you do is priceless for me, if you can put some fuzz pedals on them, I'd cry

Great demo! I actually slightly preferred the 6l6 on the blue; that slightly more "classic Marshall" sound is really nice to my ears. Have you tried raising the treble slightly more on the 6l6 red and lowering the presence a bit? In theory, this should cut some low-mids out while not reducing the top end much if you get the balance right.

Have the latest 6L6 with MXR 10-band eq in the loop and love it!!

Great videos, Subscribed!

I’d like to get the LBX Stealth Already have the 6l6 50w need! Keep it up bro love the videos and info!!! To me it’s subtle but I like the stealth

New sub here. Thank Terrance. Your reviews are fantastic. Both of these amps sound great.

@belligerentamateur

3 жыл бұрын

Awesome man! Glad to have you on board!

I have been told that you can’t compare amps/pedals by putting the pots in the same settings because there’s lots of variability between individual pots. The better way to compare is to adjust the knobs to get them as close sounding at possible.

@taylorparker8912

10 ай бұрын

“Mama said”

Both are great amps, stealth is a nice evaluation of the circuit, as always great content,

@belligerentamateur

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed! Thanks Arron!

the original 6L6 just has such a classic tone to it. the mids are so dynamic and, like you said, sound almost marshall-y when the gain's dialed low enough. kind of reminds me more of the original block letter 5150's that we all know and love with how dynamic it is. maybe its the mesa fan in me but i'm going to say the stealth has too much high end, it kind of hurts my head, lol. theres just so much bite that there was already plenty enough of to begin with. i've played two different stealth heads in different guitar centers and found myself turning them off to try something else a bit more quickly than i'd hoped. luckily one store had the el34 5150, which might be the best high gain amp i've ever played

@samuraisaint2360

Жыл бұрын

I agree , the stealth feels like it’s too forced and modern for my personal opinion

Both sound badass, but the Stealth does sound a bit more focused. Solves my problem on which One I prefer (except for the EL34 version vs the 6L6 Stealth).

The clean channel is really good on the Stealth. Not at all on any other 5150 from Peavey to EVH.

I like them both, one plus for the stealth is the external bias test point, I whish they did that to all amps.

Ch 2 w a Good OD pedal Just OWNS!

Great Video! The EVH 5153 is just sick and my fav Amp. Its really funny when i play the Mesa Dual Rect and then the EVH 5153 that i like the EVH more and its not that expensive like the Mesa. But i think its just my taste!

@belligerentamateur

3 жыл бұрын

Same man!

Stealth is tight, BUT would not go out and get one if you already have the original 6L6. All tonal differences could be matched in the amps settings

@davebuckner5174

3 жыл бұрын

An EQ pedal would almost certainly make up whatever amp settings couldn't.

@echoflame4279

2 жыл бұрын

@@davebuckner5174 As someone who got an MXR 10-Band EQ in the loop of my 5150iii 6L6....it really does sound so much better with some added note clarity. Can confirm 👍

@SonicSoundofDoom

2 жыл бұрын

@@echoflame4279 how do you have your settings on the EQ?

@echoflame4279

2 жыл бұрын

@@SonicSoundofDoom I didn't go with an obvious pattern that most people might tend to go with to get a more "scooped" sound. I just boosted and cut whatever frequencies I needed to get a mid-heavy sound with enough low end from the amp to compensate (especially when you have a resonance knob at the back of the 5150iii that controls the low end response).

@randymccoy2527

Жыл бұрын

I’d like to know this as well. Specifically what faders are at.

You have fantastic taste sir

Great video! Only slight correction is that they both have 6L6 power tubes the stealth is just hotter and has certain circuit mods that the standard 5150iii doesn’t

@belligerentamateur

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks man! I never said that the stealth doesn't have 6L6 power tubes though, haha. The standard 5153 50 watt is now known as the 6L6 model, per evh's product lineup

"rounder in the mids" "woofier and more congested" I literally have no idea what any of this tone-speak means but this is an excellent video and was an immediate sub to your channel for me

@belligerentamateur

2 жыл бұрын

Haha, well I appreciate you!

this was helpful. Thanks!

@belligerentamateur

2 жыл бұрын

You bet!

Now we're talking!

I’m finding that all the gear I never cared for before, I’m starting to like a lot. It’s just crazy how your tastes change. I think I’m going to look into getting a Stealth.

@belligerentamateur

3 жыл бұрын

Yep, your ears will change over the years, for sure!

@Okraknife

2 жыл бұрын

same here!

@baybae92

Жыл бұрын

lol same. i used to be a strat into a fender combo dude, hated humbuckers. now i’m pretty much humbucker exclusive and am dying for a 5150III lol

Sounds very good man!! What pickups do you use on this video?

Great video, please do the videos for the 6L6 vs EL34 and Stealth vs EL34!!! :)

@belligerentamateur

3 жыл бұрын

I will in the future for sure!

I have the 6L6, and i popped a 12AT7 in the 2nd gain stage of the red channel, it mellowed it out slightly, and gets full like the blue, but with far less harshness... its perfect for me now

@belligerentamateur

2 жыл бұрын

Yep, useful trick!

Good job 👌

Close and I have the 6L6 and yes it crushes on the blue channel boosted but the stealth sounds much more forward and would cut no problem... maybe I do need this 🥷 beast

@belligerentamateur

3 жыл бұрын

Haha. It's fun to have both man!

The stealth is MEANER and that's all we need to know 🤘🤘

I've watched several of your videos and just wanted to say thanks for plugging your amp into a REAL SPEAKER! LOL. All these weenies plugging into reactive loads and fake cab emulators, etc piss me off. They wonder why their amps sound like shit and blow up all the time. Thanks for playing the amps like a real man.

Hey, Kyle. Love the aggressive 80s downpicking style

@matthias5163

3 жыл бұрын

Great videos

@belligerentamateur

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks man! Appreciate you being here!

I have a 6505+ head, 5150iii 6l6 as well as el34 50 watt heads.. Now i really want a stealth 50 watt!!!

Man I hit like before I even watch the video.

just checked out your latest album damn that shits good!

Best demo I've heard for these amps... although you didn't switch the title text between 6L6 Stealth and plain 6L6... it says Stealth on both when you switch... but we get it :) Think I'm just about to push the purchase button on the stealth... I love the fact that it has an external bias that is easy to access instead of taking the damn thing apart and touching the electronics inside. Screw that.

@belligerentamateur

Жыл бұрын

there is a light that corresponds between "stealth" and "6L6" on the pedal if you watch it again. whichever side is lit up is the one that is active.

@KaddysJamKave

Жыл бұрын

@@belligerentamateur Oohhhhh gotchya, thanks.

Great video man but you should try the new 6L6 version with the concentric knobs, there is a huge difference and to me sounds better than the one without them, I’ve read they tweaked it when they added the the knobs.

@belligerentamateur

3 жыл бұрын

I've had them back to back just like this and they sound identical. Thanks for checking th video!

@claudelee5382

3 жыл бұрын

@@belligerentamateur Hey Kyle, quick update, I contacted EVH about the 5150 6L6 Version 2 with the concentric knobs and that amp was updated ,the clean channel was changed to have a bit more sparkle and more compression while also darkening the overdrive channels and adding more natural compression, this was at Eddie’s request working hand in hand with the team at EVH

I have the 50 watt 6L6 and love it. I think the only difference between these two is that the stealth has a little more distortion on the blue channel than the other. Pretty sure that's what the EVH guy said in a video where he was demoing it. They just look for anything to make a new model to put out and charge more money for it. They basically changed the look a little, changed the name, and may or may not put more gain on the blue channel. I think they recently raised the price on these amps too.

@belligerentamateur

3 жыл бұрын

No sir, they're voiced slightly different. More differences than just the amount of gain on both the red and blue channels.

@manicmurph

3 жыл бұрын

@@belligerentamateur Right on. I've never played the stealth personally but that's what I've always heard is that it has more gain. I think the regular 6l6 red channel has almost enough gain for anyone that likes a ton of gain. For the price and features you can't go wrong with an EVH 50 watt. You can get a peavey 6505 100 watt for a 1,000 bucks I think too. That's a pretty good deal. After hearing how loud the 50 watt is though, I can't imagine any situation where you'd need 100 watts. Unless your playing a huge stadium or something.

@Hadouken5150

Жыл бұрын

@@manicmurph the 100w has a lot more low end and headroom. Not like the 50w isn’t loud enough. I hear its extremely loud for the wattage. But I can’t really judge, I only have the 100w stealth. Just what I heard.

thank you!

The Stealth is tight and has tremendous gain, I don't even run a tube screamer with mine

I have the 6L6 version,and I love that thing....I run an EQ in front,and behind mine and can dial the woofiness out....Blue Channel boosted with a TS or SD-1 is one of my favorite sounds....the Stealth is cool though..

@alexzumwalt1151

2 жыл бұрын

You run eq through the fx loop and the front?

@scottpeters4401

2 жыл бұрын

@@alexzumwalt1151 yep….one EQ in the front with the mids boosted a little,then an EQ in the loop with the mids cut a little…..smiley frowny EQ curves…sounds great..

@danbjornson6799

2 жыл бұрын

They are both 6L6

@scottpeters4401

2 жыл бұрын

@@danbjornson6799 both 6L6…..Stealth vs standard version….

$700 price difference here in New Zealand with the Stealth selling for $2,700 which is about $1,830 US.

engl cab sounds tight!

How would you compare the Stealth 6l6 with the EVH 50 iii el34? I played a Stealth today at a GC and liked it, but still want to check out the el34 50w before I make a purchase.

the v2 of the ivory. more midrange focused. It's a refined version of the older one. i'd go that route.

Yeah, they're super similar. I agree the Stealth would be better in the mix for sure.

Kyle how do you like the Engl XXL cab ? I love it.

I’m getting a EVH 5150 50 Watt. Arrives Monday!!!

@belligerentamateur

3 жыл бұрын

Congrats! Enjoy that beast!

Not sure if you know both are 6L6. The white one is spec'd to Ed's studio sound of late, the stealth is the same amp but tuned to Ed's touring spec. The Gold EL34 is voiced to be the classic marshall of the early VH albums. They all use the same preamp tubes and except for the gold model, the same power amp tubes. The difference is in the voicing they programed into it.

@hip-hopjedi4423

2 ай бұрын

Buy them all.. got it!

Just came home from playing a 6L6 50w vs a PRS MT15 and gotta say I preferred the MT15. Maybe I’d like the EVH better with a boost and eq in the loop but straight up the MT15 sounds a bit better and is a great bargain.

It took me to the end of the video to understand you weren't on the Stealth like 90% of the time. LOL I was multitasking and just kept seeing 6L6 Stealth in the corner, thinking that meant you were playing the Stealth. 🤔🤣 But watching the second time I learned a lot. One suggestion... go back and forth twice, not just once. It's easier to hear the difference instead of having to back up the video to hear it again.

I liked the 6L6 sound more - (it's all subjective) more balls like a bogner ubershall - or even a PRS MT15 -

@SaberToothGary

2 жыл бұрын

I tend to agree, man

@danbjornson6799

2 жыл бұрын

They are both 6L6........one JJ the other Shuguang - also I can't tell which is which because the logo area on the lower right only says 6L6 Stealth the whole video

@iLLuzion1st

2 жыл бұрын

@@danbjornson6799 one is the 6l6 the other is the stealth

If you want a good rhythm tone on the red channel, dial the gain back. These amps are too neck & neck for such a difference in price. Choose the one that matches your cab.

Eddie says crank all the knobs to 11.

Im looking at these 2 amps on the EVH website and they are showing the 5150 III & The bottom amp which is the 5150 6l6 amp. The front panel colors are not the same for this amp. the 5150 6l6 has a white face. And the 5150 is all black. Can comment of the bottom amp that you were testing? And that one is the better amp also?

Can we get some VHT demos? If I remember correctly I saw a deliverance and a pitbull cl in your gear rundown video. ABSOLUTELY KILLER AMPS!

@belligerentamateur

3 жыл бұрын

I'm thinking I will slate the deliverance for Saturday Premier....👼

I played through the original 50w at the House of Guitars in Rochester and was impressed with the bass response...that thing could thump a hole through the floor while palm muted chugging! I wonder how that sounds different the Stealth? I didn't get a chance to check the Stealth out because the nearest EVH dealer is an hour and half away. Occasionally an EVH would appear at the nearest GC.

@belligerentamateur

3 жыл бұрын

Well, those are the exact two amps in this video so this should give you an idea. Haha

@kenrockstheworld

2 жыл бұрын

585 gang 😎👉👉

Waiting for your JSX to arrive in the hope that you will do a JSX vs Triple XXX head-to-head

@belligerentamateur

3 жыл бұрын

Perfect timing. I finally got the jsx in yesterday

@rattlehead001

2 жыл бұрын

The JSX is one amp I wish I never sold. That thing was really versatile.

What pickups you got in that beast?

Thx kyle

@belligerentamateur

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

What would be your choice if only playing in room no drummer or band. 6l6 50w, Stealth 50w, or lbx stealth?

Update: I have the original 6L6 now….easily one of the best amps I have ever owned. I closed my eyes and every time I heard what I liked I opened my eyes and you were playing the 6L6. Congested is not the right word for that amp. I’d say more rounded and organic. Or saturated. 6L6 wins for me.

@sb6232

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly! Although, I wonder if you boost the Resonance and the bass a smidge on the stealth, you're right there..?

Would love an EVH Stealth vs Dover Amplification DA-50 as those are the two definitive amps on my map right now! Please can you make that happen Kyle

@belligerentamateur

3 жыл бұрын

That will definitely happen at some point man!

You should also try it through a Mesa 4x12

Hmm, I vastly prefer the 6L6 in this video. Sounded beefier and more organic.

Sad that in 2024 the stealth is now also 6L6. The EL34 5150 is now only available in the classic black.

I have played both. Original 6L6 has more body, depth and is more percissive on the blue channel.

U can Bias the tubes with a meter. U don't have to pay a Amp Shop to do it, or disassemble your amp if U can do it yourself. That is worth the price difference to me, plus it is Nasty.

I've came very close to upgrading to the stealth from my 6L6 version now I am so glad that I didn't it would have been a total waste.. plus I got my 6L6 version for $960 and I believe these stealth models are costing about $1,400.

@Ryan-kc5pl

3 жыл бұрын

They are. Prices went up. I was thinking I needed a stealth. Wish the amp heads had the power soak that my combo has.

@SilentNightBodomNight

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ryan-kc5pl get a power attenuator. Or better yet, play with a two notes torpedo live/studio so you can crank your amp and play with some awesome IRs. Obviously there are many ways to do it, but the two notes are perfect for me and I’ve never looked back.

@brettpower6508

2 жыл бұрын

Gary hoey has said the stealth is way better

Great. And great. Just. Slightly different greats.

@belligerentamateur

3 жыл бұрын

100% agreed

Stealth is awesome

Kyle, how do you like the Engl XXXL 4x12 cabinet? Now compared to the Mesa Boogie oversized 4x12 cab?

@belligerentamateur

2 жыл бұрын

Not sure, never tried one! Maybe some day

Hey Kyle great vids!! Can you tell me which evh 5153 has the bigger bottom end between the 34 and the stealth? I’m a mess guy and I’m wondering which of these two amps is closer to the big bottom end of the mark V or the rectifier

@belligerentamateur

2 жыл бұрын

same between the two

How does the 50 watt version of the stealth compare to the 100 watt version? I usually like 100 watt amps for the added headroom and low end thump compared to 50 watt amps.

@belligerentamateur

3 жыл бұрын

The preamps of the two are different so it's more than just the wattage difference. Never played the 100

The red channels on these amps feel so compressed but they record very similarly to the blue channel, just not very dynamic at all.

Is your "regular" 6L6 the newest one with the dual concentric knobs?

@Sticky_Tea

3 жыл бұрын

It's not

Hey does anyone know where I can find a video of a 5150 demo where someone’s playing CHUGCHUGCHUGCHUGCHUGHUG? I can’t seem to find them anywhere

Cool vid, man! Hey, is the Stealth louder than the 6L6? Wondering about a 50 watt amp being able to keep up volume-wise when there's only a vocal p.a. in the club.

@belligerentamateur

2 жыл бұрын

50 watts should be able to keep up all day unless your drummer is a total dickhead

@SaberToothGary

2 жыл бұрын

@@belligerentamateur - Haha, right on... annnd, our drummer is VERY cool. =)

Red channel has way too much gain and it's very hard to use a boost (medium output pickups). I definitely prefer Peavey versions since the gain is controllable. I'm speaking about recording and mixing here and not just jamming.

Is that a ENGL XXL 412 cab??

I hate myself for selling my white explorer. 🤦🏻‍♂️

🤘🤘

Only difference o truly notice is the 6l6 seems to be more opened up sounding saturated and the stealth is more compressed and articulate. But its so slight. I'm sure in person they're totally different

6L6 for me

Nice

Anyone here played the original 6L6 back to back with the V2 concentric pot variant? Always been curious if they changed anything besides the pots.

I bought a stealth 50 and really didn’t like it compared to my friends 34 50. So I bought a 5134 50

@belligerentamateur

3 жыл бұрын

There ya go!