Turns out Boehly was actually a tactical genius suggesting a 4-4-3 to Tuchel

@jotarokujo9587

10 ай бұрын

If only Tuchel had listened

@robbiestrong6398

10 ай бұрын

Tuchel even played a 3-4-3 so he knew he needed to stick the keeper in Defense. Boehly masterclass

@samarthjain5015

10 ай бұрын

That man is a genius.

@finding_aether

10 ай бұрын

Poor Kane should have joined Chelsea😢

@chilibeer3912

10 ай бұрын

Goddamnit I was about to say the same damn thing. Well done sir

Finally, a formation that utilized 11 players instead of 10

@diegomur1

10 ай бұрын

​@mosaabtwice3999and Thiago Motta

@kevinbonilla1931

10 ай бұрын

@mosaabtwice3999 imo they didn’t execute it as good I they’d hope so

@tanamly

10 ай бұрын

​@@kevinbonilla1931He had the unfair advantage of being a Cruyff system player

@WolfofAsia012

10 ай бұрын

@@tanamlylol that’s not advantage. That’s his brain. 500 players learned somehow with cryuff. Why only guardolia is best

@kingplatform2255

10 ай бұрын

@@WolfofAsia012 the insight

Next season Pep will be using Ederson as a pitch-pitch player and having him up front with Halland. It will work too knowing Pep

@IncredibleMet

10 ай бұрын

It will be known as the 11th man run

@MysticManish-mn1km

10 ай бұрын

My man just finished watching inazuma eleven

@mrartdeco

10 ай бұрын

When Ederson is upfront then Haaland will help with the defense being a secondary armless goalkeeper

@ogbmt

10 ай бұрын

I can't wait to see Onana and Ederson man marking each other in the Manchester derby next season.

@sourovbanerjee1483

10 ай бұрын

@@ogbmt lmao...

Maybe we were all too hard on Todd Boehly

@terryoppong4420

10 ай бұрын

I see what you did there

So, it's like an improved version of utilising the sweeper keeper role?

@mcbrodz1663

10 ай бұрын

or onana

@yt.personal.identification

10 ай бұрын

It is exactly that, and nothing new at all. ... but Pep is doing it so it is amazing.

@BlackChrishi

10 ай бұрын

The term "sweeper" has defensive connotations. This is primarily in buildup play. It's not necessarily new, it's just an adaptation of the old and Pep wasn't necessarily the first to so it within games even recently (Inter last season and Ajax previously), although he's doing it with more frequency.

@stefankatsarov5806

10 ай бұрын

@@BlackChrishi Ajax and Inter did this because they had Onana and he plays like a ball playing defender and goes up the pich very ofthen. Pep either saw that and tried to implement it in his team or just came to that conclusion from the problems his team had in the prem.

@b__c7538

10 ай бұрын

@@stefankatsarov5806Or he got it from his previous manager stints cause he’s always utilized a ball playing gk

He commonly used this 'formation' against teams whom the head coaches were his 'Students' /worked together i.e: Arteta-Arsenal, Kompany - Burnley, Ten Hag - Man utd (they had a brief stint when Pep was the coach in Bayern)

@echo5935

9 ай бұрын

no actually bayern nagelsmann used this formation in his first year at bayern in 2021

Pep once buttered his bread, mindboggling stuff from the tactical genius.

@echo5935

9 ай бұрын

no actually bayern nagelsmann used tgis formation in his first year at bayern in 2021

You will soon see formations cease to exist outside of the starting lineup. I’m not kidding.

@DangerousLiving1914

10 ай бұрын

The concept of total football will become the only way to play, with a few players that are exempted due to either a defensive or attacking role, but still those players will cover a general area. I've seen it already unless the team works like a fine tuned machine then it's no use having a formation.

@thelinedrive

9 ай бұрын

The formations will never go away. They are still needed structurally to create passing lanes against an opponent. Although, I fully expect players like Harry Kane, to be more common as strength, hold up play and coming back to the ball to help facilitate the team as a whole becomes much more common.

@jacoblunn29

9 ай бұрын

it's already kind of like that. pretty much every team has a different formation when theyre in or out of possession. the roles players have and where they can go on the pitch are oversimplified into a formation

@jamesduffy7549

8 ай бұрын

They already are to be honest

@chesscomsupport8689

5 ай бұрын

That's already more or less what we're seeing in basketball, in terms of the traditional positions.

Rene Higuita would be perfect for this system. Pep is a student of the game, like all of us are right now. He can't invent anything because they already invented this stuff long ago. Fillol, the Argentine keeper from 1978 WC, played like this. Even the Dutch Keeper from the World cups of 74 and 78 was used so except they used the backpass a lot in those days.

@WolfofAsia012

10 ай бұрын

No one invents anything. We all stand on the shoulders of giants

@hoi-bm4lv

9 ай бұрын

Dutch keeper is Jan Jongbloed

@sskmanentsa5326

9 ай бұрын

@@hoi-bm4lv I know, I just could not spell his name from the top of my head.

@chiagoziemikeurulor

9 ай бұрын

Thank you. Thank you for saying this

Yeah, 4-2-5 is indeed a new and revolutionary formation that no one has the answer to counter 🧐

@vietdang6836

10 ай бұрын

Tbh, futsal has the way to use goalie in a match

@yakisoba9377

10 ай бұрын

Have your keeper press theirs. All the way up the pitch, you've heard of "sweeper keeper" now get ready for "No keeper" And also commenting to yourself

@TheS1lentX

10 ай бұрын

​@@yakisoba9377can't wait for the revolutionary no keeper vs double keeper tactic

@cugnaoozen9956

10 ай бұрын

@@TheS1lentX and the offensive goalkeeper striker hybrid !

@cam5556

10 ай бұрын

This guy replied to himself lmao

I wouldn’t be surprised if pep thinks two seasons ahead. Use a formation that everyone else will copy and one that he knows he can beat and then create a formation to beat it the season after when everyone else is a season behind. What a tactical genius he is

@psychobuddy17

10 ай бұрын

Goat

@setho-by8ds

9 ай бұрын

So true. He sets the blueprint then beats it. Best manager ever

@echo5935

9 ай бұрын

no actually bayern nagelsmann used tgis formation in his first year at bayern in 2021

@echo5935

9 ай бұрын

@@setho-by8ds no actually bayern nagelsmann used tgis formation in his first year at bayern in 2021

@echo5935

9 ай бұрын

@@psychobuddy17 no actually bayern nagelsmann used tgis formation in his first year at bayern in 2021

It's not really a new formation, it's just a tweak to the pre-existing formation that he gets to make because his goalkeeper is good enough on the ball to allow him to. I see it more as reintroducing the libero of catenaccio by making the goalkeeper the extra libero defender in line with the 3 central defenders. I wouldn't call it a truly "new" formation since it still uses the W-M base formation but has an added temporary tweak in possession if pressed. For example in a 433 if the pivot drops between the centre backs and the fullbacks go high and wide, you wouldn't say he's now playing a 343, because it's only a transitional state rather than the base shape.

I first used this formation in FIFA 19. Pep stole my whole flow and won a Champions League with it🥶 i want my royalties.

@st_ates_2563

10 ай бұрын

That's not an achievement pal

managers countering with a 5-2-4🗿

Teams have been doing in this for a while now, even the box midfield is not invented or even popularised by Pep, Tuchel used it the season before. Not sure why Pep gets credit for everything

@souravdeb4325

10 ай бұрын

Coz he wins, and I'm sure football fraternity is sad coz amaxing doesn't rate pep

@JoseMiguel-fl5oi

10 ай бұрын

@@souravdeb4325 tuchel won the ucl in his first season no bullshit "progress" pep simply has the barca pr

@ato-blakussam-acquah1557

10 ай бұрын

Tuchel didnt use the box midfielder with an defender going into midfield to become th extra defender. Pep took the risk and used his defender as tbe extra midfielder...thats why he gets the credit. You dont know ball than most of the world. If Tuchel made it popular no one would give credit to Pep. You are just a hater!

@st_ates_2563

10 ай бұрын

​@@ato-blakussam-acquah1557 sadly you don't know ball either because Pep wasnt the first to give his centre back a free role.

@ato-blakussam-acquah1557

10 ай бұрын

@st_ates_2563 I didn't say free role...I said midfielder I was specific...cry more!

suddenly Pep made 11v11 football match an 11v11 futsal game

Boehly is a philosophical genuis

@thomasmensah9602

13 күн бұрын

Lol

It's 2027 and a 34 year old Ederson is the league's top goalscorer with Pep's revolutionary tactics of using the keeper as a shadow striker.

I feel like Pep will advance so much in tactic's he'll eventually just cycle back to playing a 1-1-8 like in the 1800s

@echo5935

9 ай бұрын

No he just copies tactics then tweaks them and then uses the billions he has to buy everyone not the goat

@_MrMoney

9 ай бұрын

@@echo5935 ...yeah bro, that's the job of a manager lmao, to change tactics and win matches. And it isn't about spending billions, cause if it was, then Chelsea would always win the Premier League and PSG would've had a UCL at this point. Keep coping.

Didn't Thiago Motta start this? By "this" I mean using the goalkeeper as an outfield player. I remember seeing it used by him for the PSG reserve team if I'm not mistaken.

@XNAGP

9 ай бұрын

nah, hes the best so its gotta be him who started this first 😌😌

@echo5935

9 ай бұрын

@@XNAGPjoking i see

From a catenaccio and defensive football fan, Guardiola is someone GENIUS, damn

I remember the u-17 manager for psg thought of this tactic a couple years ago with pushing the GK in place like a CB so the field is less compact and more options are available

tbh this has been seen in preseason with other managers too, alisson has been doing it for a little while and it also gives more space for trent to receive the ball if alisson moves back towards his goal, as alisson moves up to the right of van dijk

@super_organist

10 ай бұрын

How

This is what Ange was doing at Celtic last year

When explained, this is actually the best formation in football history.

That's AMAZING, imagine how good a keeper must be and how much they must read the game to avoid meltdown if they lose the ball AND the recovery tactics for when this do happen. Imagine how tougher to be a keeper will be in the future as the position becomes more and more similar to the guys who only use their feet (hardest position in the game???).

Graham Potter was doing this with Robert Sanchez at Brighton, worth a look

It's literally Tuchel's Chelsea formation with Stones impersonating Rudiger

well if you think about it it's kinda ridiculous that we still have mostly stationary goalies, after all the evolution of the game until now. it takes balls to try tho, since it can obvioustly compromise your defensive abilities if the goalie is not a good enough outfield player

4 2 5… I think the return of Juanma has a pivotal impact on how city will play this season

Didn't Thiago Motta suggest doing this but it like a 2-7-2 with 2 players on each wing and 7 though the middle including the keeper

The earliest iteration I’ve seen of this was Bayern under Hansi flick, he had Alphonso pushing up and Pavard as a right back staying back to make a 3 at the back

@echo5935

9 ай бұрын

Thiago motta did this first

@SC-bc6tz

5 ай бұрын

⁠@@echo5935imagine replying to over 100 comments on one post and still not realising it’s not about who does it first it’s about who does it best.

If not that it didn't quite work for Graham Potter, that's the more reason this credit is being given to Pep Guardiola. Potter was the first prem manager to do crazy experiments like this with his goalkeepers. The main reason that saw the downfall of Edu Mendy. His attackers just couldn't score to save their own lives

few years ago Thiago Motta talking the same idea but with different formation

I used to do this formation on fifa 14 in online seasons with Argentina. Messi and Tevez as the 2 attacking mids. Aguero LW, Higuain as striker and Di Maria RW.

Excellent format

Pep has been using box midfield since he came in 2017

@echo5935

9 ай бұрын

Which he copied from thiago motta and others

I was watching arsenal vs Sheffield United and David Raya did exactly this standing next to Saliba

Thiago Motta actually wanted to implement this tactic when he was PSG U19's manager, quote "The goalkeeper counts as one of the midfield seven. For me, the attacker is the first defender and the goalkeeper is the first attacker. The goalkeeper starts the play, with his feet and the attackers are the first to put pressure to recover the ball."

@anonymouseX942

8 ай бұрын

I think Thiago Motta meant his 2-7-2 formation horizontally rather than vertically where 2 on either side are the full back and winger on either side which leaves 6 outfield players in the middle ( 2 CBs, 3 Mids and 1 Forward ), in this shape the goalie would join the middle unit of 6 to make it 7, so essentially he was just describing a standard 4-3-3 with a sweeper keeper

He didn't introduce the box midfield... Brighton were playing it before city. Probably some teams outside England as well, that I'm not aware of.

Remember, pep tried to play Neuer as an outfield player

Gk's will be training as both an outfield and a goalkeeper now.

I’ve seen Liverpool do this with Allison more than city and pep

Jorge Sampaoli in brazil already use the goalkeeper like a line player.

4-2-5 I was playing that on FIFA career mode about 15 years ago when I spent all my budget on forwards

Sounds like a modified version of the Magic Diamond from 80's France

I think that my proudest moment was in fm23 when i created a tactic that I called "Saca sin lateral" which was 3-2-4-1. Some time later, like some weeks, y check on a Man City game and pep had my custom tactic from fm in his game. I was partly shocked and partly proud, as weird as it may sound, I created one of pep's tactics (its obvious its not the same. I'm only an fm player and he is Pep, but still kinda funny thinking about my luck xd)

Funny thing is Thiago Motta did this I 2016-2017 I'm pretty sure, but did have such player's

feel like ten hag tried to do this in Uniteds game against wolves but the midfield simply struggle to play bag to goal and weren’t press resistant enoug

That's precisely how they scored against Newcastle. Walker pushing out wide when the forwards pressed.

It sounds more like di Stefano to me than Messi, Messi was labelled as a forward rather than a midfielder (although maybe that's because throughout Messi's career, the 10 position wasn't as common as it's becoming now)

Liverpool been doing this since last season too, just with Alisson staying in the box

This tactic would work great with Neuer

Pep actually did this a few times at Bayern. Its interesting to see him going back into his archive of experiences from his time at Bayern, which in my opinion, most defines him as a coach.

@echo5935

9 ай бұрын

He copies tactics then tweaks them and then uses the billions he has to buy everyone not the goat

@TheKreattion

9 ай бұрын

@@echo5935 Absolutely terrible take. Everything has already been done. Only thing you can do is find new ways to implement them and he does it consistently with great success. Theres a reason why everyone else is always copying him and trying to play catch up.

But that’s not just from Guardiola. 2.Division Club Hamburger SV ist playing with the exact role for the keeper for 2,5 years straight. And it works 👌🏻

Todd Boehly looking at this going like "YOU ALL LAUGHED AT ME, WELL YOU NOT LAUGHING NOW ARE YOU?". 😂

This is the earlier back 3, but with the gk pushing way higher.

Honestly with the increased importance of having a goalkeeper good with their feet I’m surprised it took this long to do this. Also, I’m kind of surprised nobody has tried to do a sweeper keeper/Libero hybrid if a goal keeper’s over the top passing is particularly good.

I love Pep but we greatly exaggerate his tactical innovations.

@aidanfarhi4582

10 ай бұрын

I agree. Every team he has managed was stacked with world class talent.

@jeffery_2

10 ай бұрын

Ikr next season they'll be writing equations and formulas to explain his tactics

@ilaideeznuts7488

9 ай бұрын

watch football and maybe you'll appreciate him more

@echo5935

9 ай бұрын

@@ilaideeznuts7488he just copies tactics and tweaks them then uses the billions he has and buys everyone not the goat

@ilaideeznuts7488

9 ай бұрын

@@echo5935 doesn't matter who did it first, it's who does it better, kiddo.

Thiago motta did it years ago as a coach in psg youth team

Sounds similar to thiago mottas formation that uses the keeper as an outfield player

Actually that's inders innovation with Onnana and united I already starting to apply the same anti press strategy

The box midfield was invented 100 years ago by Arsenal’s Herbert Chapman. We used to call it the WM.

In reality Ederson doesn’t actually push up that high very often. I’ve seen raya do this at arsenal a few times this season as well but it’s very rare. It’s just too risky to constantly move your keeper into that position regardless of how good they are in possession. I highly doubt this will become a long term thing, I mean as I said Ederson and raya barely even ever do it now lmao

Pep didn’t create the box formation but he mastered it

@kaidenhall2718

9 ай бұрын

Yea I’m fairly sure wolves have used that same formation before but there wolves so obviously all there games go unnoticed end in slight victories, slight losses or draws

Enzo Maresca does this with Leicester which makes sense since Enzo was one of Peps right hand men

The confidence to do this is unreal

4-2-5 formation, literally the goalkeeper playing outfield in possession is before GTA 6😭

How long till the keeper gets lobbed...

If only football being played as simple as moving some coloured dots

Once the pass in between does to gets intercepted its over

Hasn't Ten Hag done this with onana? Only that there are no good midfielders to progress the ball but it looked quite like this. Or a 4-1-6

As an fcb and ars fan, I believe is the Goat of managers

It's good to see he keep some of the barca ideology

Sampaoli was doing that earlier this year with Flamengo, can't say if it was a succes, but it has been done before, so saying "guardiola invented it" is kinda silly, but well, that's how eurocentrism works

Genius move from pep as usual

Ballplayingdefender-keeper. New role at football manager coming soon!

If Pep had Onana we'd see this played to it's max. He did have Neuer but he was never leaving Bayern

Rene Higuita already played that goalkeeper role in the 80s and 90s...

I can't wait for future tactics to actually start utilizing the goalkeeper properly in an 11v11 instead of just letting them be sweeper keepers.

I seem to remember Marcelo Bielsa talking about wanting to implement a version of this, but nowhere being brave enough to let him.

Looking forward to the first box to box goalkeeper.

Whatever Guardiola does, the best teams try to copy him. And when they copy him. He makes another blueprint. He is unmatched.

@sorryminati4719

10 ай бұрын

Uh no More like he copies others and improvised it Very different

@syntheovaldy5173

10 ай бұрын

@@sorryminati4719 he didn't say pep created it, read it again

@rrjgpl

10 ай бұрын

​@@sorryminati4719im sure he is copying others, but he is always adapting. Doesnt stick to only one plan.

@echo5935

9 ай бұрын

no actually bayern nagelsmann used tgis formation in his first year at bayern in 2021

Kinda like when you sub out the goalie in hockey

Its a double edged sword having a keeper all the way out like that

Finally goalies will see extra action

I miss the old days when football was just about having fun

@Croatia1991

9 ай бұрын

Pro football was litteraly never about fun

@theulmitter5725

6 ай бұрын

Football in the park with your mates is about fun, in professional football, you're being paid millions to win as much as possible

Except it isn't new, nor is it his invention...

@nerdstark9002

10 ай бұрын

Everytime Guardiola farts it's an innovation it seems.

Pep picked his nose this morning. More evidence of his genius. Unprecedented.

I have seen arsenal using that too..watch closely how Raya is placed...he goes left as an outfielder

Opposition team: "Wait their goalie is an outfield player??" Ederson: "Always have been"

Oh look someone’s discovered total football for the first time

2030: What a goal from Guillermo Ochoa!!!!!

Happend in The 2.Bundesliga last season and The 3.Bundesliga The year. Would be cool to see an analysis of the team (FC Magdeburg)

Cant wait for Pep to play Ederson as a Sweeper Box-to-Box milfielder keeper Ederson unlocked Manuel Neuer mode what the hell

Didn’t Motta come up with this idea originally though?

Old formations coming Back. Many Teams Play 3-4-3. This could be adept to 3-2-5. 3 at the back, 2 wingers, 2 midfielders and 3 forwards. Simple and effective. Could also be a 2-3-5. This is a famous formation from 100 years ago.

I think I just prefer a good old Alardyce-Dyche formation the iconic and easy 4-4-2

wasn't Onana doing this with Inter in the CL final last season?

Imagine if they had onana