As a writer, I was also stunned by Fontaine's delivery. It makes me wonder how they're going to top that in Natlan. Also you're me fr. That quest made me swallow my tears.

@MrMeisterRoxas

5 ай бұрын

They could give the Pyro Archon a real amount of screen time before wanting to care about her and not making a filler Act 4.

Sumeru was very stressful to me, Inazuma's exploration could be broken up island by island, but Sumeru was huge, samey, and with the main story, the overlapping events and the daily tasks, it became too much. I started missing the first milestones and realized I didn't really care much about it, I was finally free.

@digojez

5 ай бұрын

Fontaine actually cooked (way better in comparison to Desert Sumeru) in terms of exploration.

@Etherwinter

5 ай бұрын

Sumeru's exploration during 3.X sucked ass. Especially when you got to the desert with its myriad of underground caverns with no underground maps (which was released in 4.0, I think?). It contributed a lot to my burnout and I stopped playing for like several months waaay before 3.6 with no intention of going back. I only started playing in 4.2 because of Fontaine. Furina actually made me stick with it because I logged back in during her banner, had about 14k primogems. I told myself I'll spend all my primogems and if I got her, I'll play. If I didn't I'd log off and uninstall. I'm still playing in 2024 lol.

@disgusttedd8249

5 ай бұрын

Quited in sumeru and came back with fontaine

@arch391

5 ай бұрын

Whoa, so many impatient players gathered in this video.

@gamemaster4947

5 ай бұрын

I’m glad you felt free to stop when you got overwhelmed. Not me. I’m still trapped. I’ve maxed out Inazuma, Sumeru, and 98% of Fontaine. You are free, so live my freedom for me.

3:50 In 4.0 they added a "global Illumination" visual setting that changes the way that light sources cast light on the world. It's not actually raytracing but it's basically just simulating light casting on existing baked shadows. Turn it off and you'll see what I mean. Apparently right now it only really enables full stop in cities and certain indoor areas where the draw distance isn't enormous. 7:53 I was in the process of doing two world quests during the film festival and two times the game loaded both quest triggers on the same spot. The game didn't like that. The first time the pathing for the melusine just... didn't load. The second quest, my subtitles were playing both quests simultaneously (thankfully prioritizing the spoken triggers but it was really funny to see Leroy talk inbetween paimon talking about film). I can guess as to why this didn't happen but whoever decided to skip the extra work to make the quest just, "occupy" the area and NOT use the quest priority system they started showing in 4.1 is mindboggling to me. 9:43 I honestly think that certain npcs are anchored as "quest triggers" or even just assets loaded into an area during certain quests. With the way Genshin is coded now, you probably could brick the quest progress if they were unloaded without some way of the game knowing where to save the assets. We know they are working on this in some capacity but how long will it take? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@furmedok

5 ай бұрын

about the part with the quests, they have npcs and regions as triggers and all the quest sub objectives don't even need the previous part to be completed to be triggered. Why do I think that way? Because I already skipped some parts of the story just by doing something different and being jumpscared by npcs I never met before, talking to me like we know each other for at least one quest objective. Most known times where stuff like this happens: -In the first act of liyue, if you break the ambers and free the npc inside, you will skip the start of the quest and directly get to "return with the brother to npc xyz" -In the first quest of the Narzissenkreuz Adventure, you will skip past the first objective when you enter the Annaplausis for the first time without talking to Ann previously -When you perform a skip inside a story domain, e.g. climb around the original area with geo mc or perform the skip in lisas domain, you will skip puzzles and dialogue and jump to the end of the domain, unless the domain is hard coded to follow a certain quest progression (to name here the domain of Tartaglias story quest). so yeah, quests have npcs and locations saved as triggers, and unless an event HAS to happen, they can be quite buggy and you can skip some early parts of them. So teChniCaLLy, there is something like a skip dialogue method, it's just not really intended and not useful in the most cases

Honestly, I’ve had a very similar experience recently. I started playing again late December to see what the hype behind Sumeru and Fontaine was about. Now Im recovering from a little thing called sadness and I will stop at nothing to pull for Furina when she reruns

@PiousMoltar

5 ай бұрын

I pulled for Furina and got her and I wish I hadn't. I despise her. I could have gotten Ayato guaranteed. But no I gave in and wished for Furina. And I regret it so much.

@antonioschannel8090

5 ай бұрын

​@@PiousMoltarfurina is literally one of the best supports and sub dps units💀

@CatWithAOpinion

5 ай бұрын

@@antonioschannel8090 I got her but I've had enough of artifact farming so I cant use her potential as much as other people but I still like having her around for exploration

I'm currently in the opposite situation. Getting Sumeru after Inazuma was what got me hooked on the game again. I loved exploring Sumeru's different variety of forests, desert and ruins. The archon quest is probably my favorite one so far. My biggest and only complain about this region would be aranara hell and maybe pari quest, but overall I was pretty invested in character's stories, especially Jeht's. Fontaine's underwater exploration is 10/10, they nailed it, but part of me feels like it was at the cost of interesting land exploration. It technically makes sense, we are in the land of hydro, but the land has this familiar feeling of emptiness, I recall from Mondstadt. Characters were great, but my personal star of the show is Navia, followed by Neuvillette and Wriothesley, and when it comes to npcs, they feel pretty meh?

@Rihorama

5 ай бұрын

You speak from my heart! (Minus the aranara, that has still been one of the most rewarding and impactful quest endings in the whole game imo ♥). I tried hard to analyze why the exploration in Fontaine feels lacking to me and it's the shattered landscape. Water and land have clear border and nothing crosses it so it's like two separate (and due to shape quite small and restricted) regions to explore. We have water bodies that are for most part very thin and in the largest parts you can still see from one end to another (The distance from Elynas's skull to the city walls is riddiculously short even though it's clearly meant to feel like these two places have at least some distance). And after that we are left with small chunks of land you cross in a minute. There is just not enough space on land for interesting things to happen TT: Errinyes update fixed it a bit, for the first time we got a solid inland with various small biotopes inside, but it came very late. I think it should have been part of the initial update, it would fix the unfortunate region shape (basically a long noodle, three minutes from one red zone to another). I'm really curioous what they will do with Mt. Esus, I pray for another Dragonspine tier experience but for now it seems a bit too small for that TT.

@Melotaku

5 ай бұрын

I feel exactly the same. Honestly couldn't have said it better myself. Except for the part about the emptiness reminding you of Mondstadt. (Mondstadt is still my favorite nation and I wish I had a reason to go back. Just existing out in the open is such a great feeling there. It might have to do with the music and ambient wind sounds though tbh.)

9:05, I agree lots. It would add way more life to the game to see them in the damn world

came here for genshin impact, stayed for ur amazing video essays!

@_rikcy

5 ай бұрын

relatable

I always love watching people experience this game for the first time.

Great video! I agree that Genshin’s writing for this archon quest was phenomenal, and there was an event quest with Freminet a bit earlier that I felt had great writing too! I really hope they keep it up 🤞

I remember how many good memories I've made on this game. I was a F2P player who made multiple accounts and enjoyed the gameplay loop of treasures/pulling for characters. Also the challenge of staying f2p kept things interesting even though it is all luck of course but even so i took joy in that aspect aswell. Genshin was a good time killer. I came into the game soon after inazuma launch because that is a pretty relevant and good time to have started playing. Also i wish i could experience Fontaine but I'll just enjoy it through clips and like Zajef making content on goofy combat tactics. If i came back to genshin I'd want to restart like fresh f2p run again. I should like not lol. I really used to just play genshin while watching youtube. Treasure hunting while spam playing longform essays is a vibe

My experience was a little rookie, Genshin is a beautiful game, great characters and I prioritized exploring, solving puzzles and collecting every chest. For over a year I didn’t have the need to build a team that made any sense or study any artifacts. Problem was my world level and AR became so high it took forever to slay common enemies. So when Dendro introduced I finally understood team building. My interest in Genshin peaked with underground Chasm and forest Sumeru, mostly for the storyline about Khaenriah. Hope we’ll hear more soon.

That new player experience you talked about was basically me with FF14. I came in at probably the most perfect time (at the tail end of 6.1) when the entirety of the patch 1.0 to 6.0 main story arc was finally completed and a shit TON of QoL updates to the entire game just released. It was like an endless world of possibilities for me....until about a year later when I finished the main story. I am not the type that likes grinding through "endgame" chores so I decided to move on to a different game while I wait for 7.0 and its upcoming graphics update. IMO, I would rather leave something while carrying with me a bittersweet memory than force myself to keep staying until I completely burn out and hate it. I am guessing that a similar fate is likely waiting for me in Genshin as well. I started around April last year and by August, FOR SOME WEIRD REASON, I decided to hold off on doing Chasm until I get Raiden Shogun. So yeah, I am an AR56 "new player" that has been pre-farming mats and artifacts for a good 4-5 months now while diligently avoiding Sumeru and Fontaine MSQ spoilers. Time will finally start moving forward again for me in a few days and I only hope that I will enjoy this new journey no matter how long (or short) it may be.

@Melotaku

5 ай бұрын

I really hope you don't get spoiled, because those quests are great! I was not fortunate enough though, but even still I loved the quests. (I've had to try and stay off of the internet since getting spoiled in hopes of avoiding it. Quite a pain really)

@clericneokun

5 ай бұрын

@@Melotaku Sadly, I already know some of the biggest plot points of Sumeru and Fontaine. It's kinda hard to avoid honestly. It's fine though. I'm the type that enjoys the journey more than the destination.

@pandrions

5 ай бұрын

I play ff14 since shadowbringer all the way to endwalker. I dont remember which patch exactly but waiting for content just feel so shit for me. I currently stop playing the game for now and i might come back in the next expac for the story because i do really enjoy it. I got back into genshin in november. I did all of the archon quest and fontaine is crazy.

hating on france and britain is BASED

For me, I felt they did 10/10 amazing job with furina's story from the start to the end, but I will be honest the archon quest itself had so many fillers, dull moments and questionable pacing at act 2,3 and 5 they manage to write the characters in the best way possible all of them (except clorinde) but they trick us to a story lines they never really gonna explore : the knave did almost nothing while trick us to believe she has the center role in the whole story childe side line seems the main focus yet just forget him until the last moment they wanted to introduce his master, but they didn't know how act 3 was all about investigating what happened to childe ? At the end we learn nothing, he didn't show up anymore, and we didn't get even to know what happened to him or talk to him or even give back his vision to him same thing happened with Mona the whole act 3 was for the sake of making the quest longer, introduce the new area and the whole story of it is a stupid joke the whole "ark" storyline was for the cutscene but wasn't actually needed and the most two major events happened in act 5 was off-screen the Poisson incident and destroying the divine throne, like why didn't show us what happened ? And killing the pace with side dialogues that seems in place but dragged so much between the major events of the story I love Fontaine and I love the lore in this game so much like I almost read every book and note in it and believe me that's a long journey but I felt like they focused too much on writing characters that they gave us a highlight of the main story and not the full version while being as long as if it is Sumeru character writing was a joke like all the characters except Scara and Dehya in most parts (her story quest) but the storyline itself was really good has a good pacing except act 4, each act built to give a small journey, yet it felt connected to the main goal of the story except act 4, and the writing itself was amazing for these quests some parts felt dragged but it never as the parts in Fontaine I feel like Genshin always must sacrifice something for something else they never do a perfect story there's always something feels off yet each one of them not bad or cheap they just a trade-off to something else that's why every journey in the nations feels different and refreshing for most players and I love all the nations but not of them are perfect by any chance it's just the question of how much you will be willing to Forgive the lack of thing in exchange for another good video btw ^ ^

I need Hoyo to introduce to us more meaningful quests per nation. Now we have around 3 versions of Archon Quest, prolly some interlude/conclusion quest and Dain/Abyss quest. It kinda feels like half of nations is content and half fillers and it's generous from me cuz said quests can last top 3h and you're left with "events, exploration (if you still have something to explore), hangouts, character quests and what have you" for whole version. There is soooo much interesting stuff in lore that can be implemented into gameplay.

One thing, you're an extremely good KZreadr, I hope you grow more, it's been a while since I laughed at a video, but you managed that!

Amazing video, loved the narration, it was beautifully spoken and your emotions were conveyed perfectly. I just came back to the game and started Sumeru, there are many issues in this game but I'm loving the exploration and environment, it just feels good to be here. And I have the same (fear?) or rather, problem as you. I don't want this to end, but it will. Eventually I will run out of content and be sad that there is no more. That's why I kinda want to quit now that I'm not too deep into it yet

As someone who completed the game already I find myself enjoying coop in domains or boss fights sometimes it would be nice if they added more coop content like raids or wtv, there really isn’t anywhere to test the full strength of your characters either

@brofourtwenty2143

5 ай бұрын

Fr

@mijmijrm

5 ай бұрын

> "there really isn’t anywhere to test the full strength of your characters either". This is the problem of maxing your characters. If you want a challenge, don't max your characters. Give some world level headroom so you can make the open world a challenge.

@brofourtwenty2143

5 ай бұрын

@@mijmijrm no! The game should have enough content to use all of the things it can offer. Why tf would you put yourself on fun celibate

@mijmijrm

5 ай бұрын

@@brofourtwenty2143 - sure you can use all the things it offers. It's your choice. If you want to be overpowered, then you can choose to be so. But if you enjoy challenges, don't choose to be overpowered. Some choices don't go together.

@brofourtwenty2143

5 ай бұрын

@@mijmijrm bro what tf are you smoking? So you are saying that being underpowered=fun? Abyss is fun, for 10 minutes every week, because my characters are satisfying to play and its challenging-ish. If u dont use half of the power you could in a game just to make things harder for yourself, just go play another game lol

Genshin has definitely improved, the sumeru and random events with mostly nothing good except archon quests, which were mind numbingly long, were the only good things from version 3.6 to 3.8 (I joined during the second phase of 3.4 banners) The game has improved so much, the exploration and environment in Fontaine is so fresh and fun, decent rewards and good length. The new characters are really good and have amazing lore, the game started being fun again, I genuinely felt so burnt out from even a bit of farming and collecting primos that for like a month I only logged in for commissions and claiming mail rewards, maybe sometimes collecting friendship exp from teapot. Now I have fun farming from the daily resin and want to play again and again, I've even started doing bounties and commissions (reputation rewards one) just today I got the Liyue wind glider, already claimed the Mondstadt one a few days agao. I love the new commission system too.

@AnshikaPandey121

5 ай бұрын

I never deleted the game because I felt guilty for the internet that I would've wasted from downloading the updates and data etc.

I had a very similar experience to you, loved the game before sumeru, then completely fell in love again with fontaine (also, completely agree with your takes on furina, I c6ed her purely beacuse of how much I loved her character)

The big problem with Furina is that if you got Act 5 spoiled, it loses the impact and is just boring. Which basically means only Act 1 and 2 are really fun. Also Furina spoils the same excat thing as the event just by leveling her up.

I also came back in 4.3, but for the first time since the chasm was released (I burnt out fast in the chasm, zero interest), and I'm enjoying it so much. I thought I would burnout fast again, but I quickly went through Sumeru, the core world quests and went through Fontaine's quest. So good! Now I'm super excited to go spend more time in Fontaine *after* I finish doing a bunch of Sumeru quests because there is SO MUCH content there to explore. Also Navia is mommy and so much fun to play. I'm addicted again. Only problem is there's still no endgame after abyss, and I don't really enjoy it that much anyway. If Genshin added some sort of real-time PVP or even PVPVE or anything like that it could become so much more fun and replayable. Abyss isn't worth a few hundred primos each clear to keep me coming back between new content updates. Since I have 2 regions to explore and catch up on, I've got that to occupy my time but once that is done, don't know what I'll do except wait for the next new region.

What a passionate and nice video! Personally I always have to invent "reasons" to spend some time in Dragonspine/Chasm/Enkanomiya - my favorite regions. Too bad we cannot set dailies to be there.

haedal, man, you can make me laugh in every single video that you make, keep with that good work, i hope your channel grow up and i can talk, "i was here since the beginning ❤

I was a day 1 player and played every single day up until fontaine release. Now i made a new account just to start fresh and it is a horrible experience. I get why there are very few new players. Its very overwhelming and theres that significant fear of missing out aspect. As someone new, you dont get to participate in any event, can't build a new character banner, and no access to event rewards and event weapons unless you catch up in the newest story in 1 or two weeks which is insane. Not everyone will play 24/7. Its just horrible

You cooked once again. You got me hyped for that quest once I finally have the time and money to get around to it

"But what else is there to do?... ... ... The Abyss? NO." HAHAHAHAHA, That made me burst out laughing, thanks.

From my personal experience with the game, I fondly remember exploring Mondstadt and Liyue when I first started out the game, and Dragonspire might be my most favorite location on the map. Back then I had genuine interest in the plot and the game was enjoyable, at least before I went to Inazuma, which was like... 50/50 for me. Then came Sumeru which completely fails to interest me, except for maybe the ruins exploration in the desert, but that's a world quest anyways. And that little goblin in my brain doesn't help either, telling me to finish the exploration to 100% before going to Fontaine. I was actually hoping to get back and finish "everything", at least story-wise, to get some sort of fulfillment I suppose, but yeah, like you said, the game just makes you not enjoy it at some point. Personally, I think Genshins problem is that the main way of getting "rewarded" in that game and getting something new gameplay-wise are the characters. And since my old roster was getting boring I wanted to try out a new character. So I explored the desert ruin area which took like... maybe 1-2 days and I didn't get anything good out of it, primarily full constellation Rosaria which was one of the characters I wanted to swap out to begin with. And that is with the guarantee on the event char. I also had gotten Raiden two years ago, but since I was still in the early Mondstadt, barely unlocking the Abyss with Inazuma physically locked out, I couldn't even properly play her when I had the interest. So she still sits in my character archive without any use, since the world level is maxed out and I can't bring myself to farm these materials in Inazuma now, not to mention the character doesn't interest me now. It's not a bad game by any means, at the core it's very beautiful and somewhat therapeutic, kinda like launching Skyrim and wandering around listening to the soundtrack, but I just wish it was different, you know? I knew what I was getting into knowing that it's a gacha and all, but still. Arknights proves to me that you absolutely can do things properly even with this genre, and this is one of the main reasons why I stick to that one for the most part.

I know there is a way to have some mods and even self-hosting in Genshin. Of course, this is against TOS and can get you banned. But if you create a new account and then take it offline permanently maybe mods could fix the holes Hoyoverse leaves behind. I would love if someone could turn Genshin into the next Skyrim in terms of mods.

I am gonna be real. When i started Sumeru, i was almost 6 months into the game after retiring for a a 6 months before that, and at the time all i was focused on was Character level up and Dmg increases. So starting Sumeru was too overwhelming for me, because i just wanted to complete everything fast and start grinding region materials which made me hate sumeru due to its slow exploration, and that made me retire again for now 11 months because i could not handle that frustration. I am back now, with a much fresher mindset focused on only enjoying content and Sumeru honestly has been such a blast for me. I love all the nooks and cranies that the region has to offer and its just addictive to explore. I am still focused on upgrading characters, but its a shocker of how much a simple change in mindset completely reversed my thoughts on the game compared to before.

As someone who started playing the moment Fontaine came out, it truly did save the game for me since I left for sumeru, it’s great. Glad to say this because I’ve actually had fun playing since then, and it makes me really happy.

Not sure how I ended up here but when it comes to Honkai: Star Rail every playable character can be found minding their own business in the game world sometimes at multiple locations and even have hidden achievements tied to their dialogue. It's one of the main things I asked for since Genshin's launch and never got so I checked out after Inazuma's main quest. The world just never came alive in my mind and only few places had harmony to them. Maybe this is starting to change with Fontaine I wouldn't know, haven't played any of it yet.

Me basically having the exact same opinions and views as you on this topic is crazy

I wanna know why they thought adding a region with an emphasis on underground exploration was a great idea with no underground map

As someone who doesn't experience burn out and whos favorite region is still Sumeru, especially the desert, this was a very interesting video to watch. Inazuma and Fontaine were the two regions I was least interested in. And while Inazuma was a disappointment, Fontaine has been quite fun. The two regions I've been most excited for since launch were Sumeru and Natlan! Sumeru still has my favorite Archon quests and soundtrack. The event quest getting in the way of the Archon quest was such bs, especially when the main event contains spoilers. It's so annoying that this can still happen to ppl. Was watching my friend play the archon quest a similar thing happened. Was very hilarious. As for the teapot...I've never cared about it. The only reason I use it and have it maxed out is to get the weekly rewards and help get character friendship lvls. I also find the Spiral Abyss quite enjoyable. Especially these last several rotations which have been super easy. The main things I'd really love the devs to add to the game is more end game modes and more co-op gameplay!

@johnribon2207

5 ай бұрын

What i’d personally love is some sort of rogue like mode that can somehow be played with other people. Genshin dev notes did acknowledge people wanting events to be permanent so we’ll see if they add more combat stuff down the road.

@noox13

5 ай бұрын

@@johnribon2207 That could be pretty fun!

I've played this game since day 1 of the release, there are 3 places that I really like, the rest is just boring, the places being The Chasm, Enkanomiya and The Golden Apple Archipelago(Fishl event). Those places are so otherworldly that it gave me that sense of wonder I had as a child, really appreciate those types of experiences, and I thought the Ghibli movies were the only media I could ever experience those feelings.

For me, what always keeps me going in Genshin is the story. And no, I'm not talking about the Archon quests and characters quests, although those are nice too, I'm talking about the world quests that explore and expand on Teyvat as a whole. Maybe it's because I'm a sucker for fantasy worlds lore, but I absolutely love finding out new things as I play, about the history of the world, it's structure, important characters etc. Plus, alongside the main quests, these little world detours come out every update, so there is more than enough content for me to go through at my own pace, hence my excitement for the game! A lot of people focus on the archons or the twins, but tbh there is much more to the story that's interesting beyond that. I'm currently doing Narzissenkreuz quests in Fontaine, and I love them

Man I winced when you said you came back after Furina's patch. Youll get her one day T_T

Fontaine is my favorite region in genshin ever. I’ve been a fan of genshin since around 1.2 but never had the chance to play because I didn’t have a device compatible with the game until till summer 2022 (I forget the version it was around Fischls summer event though). Though I had loved genshin, I never played it a ton,most of the hype for the game died down and a lot of my friends quit. I was there for Sumeru but never made it past the chasm, never had the drive to. Even from leaks I had loved Fontaine and specifically Furina. I liked Furina a ton because of not just her design but her personality, lots of my friends said she reminded them of me after 4.0 released. When Fontaine came out I did the chasm quests and the entirety of Sumeru archon quest just to get to Fontaine during 4.0 and start the archon quest. I’ve never did something like this for a single game I’ve played. Fontaine’s archon quest immediately caught my interest, and I waited for each part excited. Nothing could have prepared me for fontaines full story! I also don’t cry much over media, but I cried my eyes out because of this story as dumb as it may sound. It was a gorgeous story that genuinely had a major effect on me that barely any media has had, same with Furina’s story quest. Fontaines story telling has seriously changed genshin, I hope the future of genshin keeps with this improvement. I really like Fontaine and I’m glad you could get back into the game and enjoyed it! Furina is still my all time fav after the archon quest and story though! I think they added to her character a ton, and I’m so grateful I won both 50/50 on her banner and weapon banner, honestly the days leading up to her banner release/4.2 release felt similar to the feeling you get on the days before Christmas, which was really odd since I haven’t gotten that feeling in years. Basically TLDR on my rambling, Fontaine has improved genshin a ton and I love Fontaine and Furina a lot! lol

I have been playing since 1.0 nonstop. All my toons are 90. I have finished every single quest and got ever single chest. The world feel incredibly empty now. The fact that I have nothing left to do is aggravating. I feel chests at the very least should respawn ever year. Something needs to happen or I will fall out of interest in this game.

i had the same feeling about sumeru is lacking in overall but i think king deshret desert world quest with jeht alone made it up with epic and filled with breathtaking moments in the game

I feel the EXACT same way. I also returned to 4.3 after a 7-8 month break and I'm genuinely having fun again. I've been playing since 1.2, and it feels SO NICE to finally be playing just to *play*, instead of treating Genshin like an endless grind for primos.

2:17 you know this is exactly how I feel about Fontaine. It just didn't click with me. I get that it's objectively really good. But I still have had more fun in the 4 nations that came prior. The only reason I can really think of is that it's just not medieval fantasy enough for me? I like isekai anime and their worlds. I like classic medieval fantasy. It's why Mondstadt is still my favorite nation. The other nations didn't stray that far away from that enough for me to dislike them. Except maybe the desert being too technologically advanced for my liking. But Fontaine with it's steampunk aesthetic, just isn't my thing.

i spent alot of money on this game but all it gave me was some short term satisfaction followed by alot of regret. so i gave that account away and now im just playing the game with what it gives me and nothing else. i haven't even finished all of Lyuie and im upto 12k primos saved up (although im close to finishing it)

I started playing Genshin this October and have since 100%-ed every map and did every Archon quest as well as world quest. Looking back I wish I'd started playing even later so that I could continue exploring and experiencing the story all in one go and without waiting for updates, I can't imagine playing the game any other way now (tbh I'm feeling kind of empty now that I've mostly completed the game)

@Silent_Depths

5 ай бұрын

Well no wonder... that's insane dedication of time and pace to play at. As someone who started playing on Genshin's launch day and has taken several long breaks since I can confidently say Genshin is meant to be played slow. The devs have specifically stated many times they have no plans designing real end game besides the abyss so people wouldn't stress out about it and play more than they should. During the first year they asked numerous times on questionnaires how long each limited event should take etc. Their main priority remains to design a casual experience you can follow all the way through the entire development of the main story, which was planned to take 7 years I believe.

@FineUser

5 ай бұрын

@@Silent_Depths I played the game for the exploration and story, the combat only complemented these two things. During my exploration I never cared about optimizing my chars or whatever too much since I was still below AR 50 and at that stage you're getting major upgrades almost every day (No rng artifact hell only talents weapon mats and ascensions) so I didn't have to worry about endgame at all. I had fun 100%-ing the exploration, since that was fun for me. I didn't grind the game for gains I played the game a lot because it was fun. Because of that I know that playing the game slowly over multiple patches would've been worse for me, since then I would've had less things to binge initially and I'd have gotten burnt out multiple times like you described.

You can log out when cutscenes trigger. Or force close.

i dont think i got burned out i just think that for me i have to start something to gain motivation to continue, like story quests i really didnt wanna do yelans because she wasnt that interesting of a character at the time to me but once i started her story quest i just kept doing it and didnt get bored, though the update of when you unlock a story quest and it says "begin hangout quest" wasnt out at the time i unlocked most of them and that included baizhus, but during yelans story quest baizhu shows up meaning i had to do a few parts of baizhus story quest in order for me to continue yelans story quest so i just stopped and got lazy again and didnt do it, but then i eventually forced myself to do it because i remembered nahida hasnt hard her archon run this year meaning she might get it soon which gave me motivation (im a "fish" in genshin terms since i only bought welkin) but yeah, another way of how my motivaton works is when i only have a certain amount of time to do it like for example, in star rail there was this event with huo huo and it was gonna disappear in 9 hours so i speedran it and finished everything and got the phone wallpaper within the 9 hours, i hate having motivation like this because it causes people to get mad at me even when i explain it to them, i love how much content there is but theres also the issue of quests being locked behind other quests which used to not be a big deal to me but now i will hold off for like 5 days from the quest until i force myself to get the few primogems i can get from doing it, i love genshin impact but when i want to explore and have to do a quest which is super hard to figure out i just lose motivation, if they fixed those small issues or came out with the banners that i want sooner then id probably get motivated more

broo i just came back to the game and missed her too. we're in waiting room together

I absolutely loved sumeru and fontaine story, sumeru had some issues of questlocked areas and needing certain elements but i think lynette helped a bit atleast for the desert.

Fellow maxor enjoyer? I just get the vibes nice bid man

they should really add immersive features, for example, you can have tea with Ayaka any time you want at her house, or maybe go have an alchemy lesson with albedo. since the hangout quest are nothing, I want something immersive and permanent

3:50 They added Global Illumination setting recently, which made the game generally look better in every way.

It`s not just genshin, it happens to a lot of games, some experiance comes once in the life time. I still remembered the first time I entered enkanomiya and up until now I wish a chance to erase my memory of exploring it and do it over again.

Yeah, man. It's irritating not having the playable characters in the overworld. It would be comforting to see Amber in different parts of Mondstadt actively *doing her job as an Outrider* , Baizhu and Qiqi at/around Bubu Pharmacy or collecting herbs around Liyue, or Cyno surveying the desert/pyramids, etc. It could change everyday of the week or be random. These are also done on certain events where they're in different places for 6 or 7 days, like the recent one with Chevreuse's debut. They've made silly "green HP bar" NPCs fight with you on very rare occasions. So they could certainly expand on that for the playable ones; it would bring a lot more liveliness. It's just so eerie, like how Verr Goldet at Wangshu Inn mentions that you'll find Xiao on the upper zone, but it isn't true outside of quests/events. Certain commissions also make playable characters appear, but you'll almost never get those, and some of them don't even make it obvious (aka the one in Inazuma with those three Sumeru NPCs that inconspicuously makes Xiangling spawn outside of Qingce Village). Also, those birthday messages that the character send often tell you to cone meet them at [x location] even though they're not really there. It's a real bummer.

"World looks more beautiful than I recall" - they added global illumination, which made cities a lot more pretty, as well as Fontaine having a unique world shader that gives it a pretty, fairy tale feel.

I also stopped around sumeru then went back around Fontaine. It was worth it!!

I felt the same way about Sumeru, the whole zone just didn't click with me. Fontaine was better, but nothing will be able to reproduce what Mondstadt and Liyue had.

As someone who ALSO got burnt out from Sumeru (but REALLY enjoyed the Archon quests in it) I think I can answer the question as to why it was so tiring. Exploration. Was. World Quest. Locked. Almost everything that can be explored in Sumeru is LOCKED behind a world quest mechanic. You need a certain item or key or function to access literally anything for Sumeru. "Want to unlock this song-related puzzle?" GO FIND THE ARANARA FIRST. "Want to explore the giant structures in the desert?" FOLLOW JEHT AROUND AND CLEAR EVERYTHING FIRST. It was all locked behind stupidly long world quests. And SURE, some of the WQs are interesting, BUT my counter-argument is that some people just want to explore and discover on their OWN time rather than be forced to follow an "optionally required" questline that takes hours to complete before getting the CHANCE to explore. And even then, the world quests do most of that exploration for you, so it feels more linear vs. explorative. When I came back to Genshin for Fontaine, I decided I want to try exploring that newest Sumeru zone that released before Fontaine. To my surprise, every other chest I tried to open was locked behind some mechanic that I didn't understand AND the game didn't toss a tutorial screen in front of me to explain it. I assumed it was all just locked behind world quests and felt disinterested in exploring due to the frequency of locked chests I couldn't access. Fontaine on the other hand goes back to the older formula. Fontaine has like 80% of the map FULLY explorable without the world quests, and if you want to explore the remaining 20%, THEN you do the world quests. Almost everything that is visible to you CAN be unlocked with relative ease without the commitment of a several-hour long questline. I literally explored Fontaine to like about 20% BEFORE doing the 4.0 Archon quest and I was not at all restricted in doing so. Of course, there ARE locked puzzles here and there, but the frequency of them is so miniscule compared to what CAN be done on your own is the biggest difference. The freedom of exploration without the need to be FORCED to do something else prior is exactly what drew me in to Genshin in the first place. Sumeru did not let me do that. And trying to go back to get those Sumeru primos is actually a bit daunting for me as a returnee. I'm literally at 80-95% exploration for every single Fontaine zone but I can't for the life of me do the same for Sumeru as of right now.

It's interesting how I quit Genshin when Inazuma came and still to date have less than 40% exploration on it I'm a lore enjoyed but more importantly I love good story lines and Inazuma was where I quit the game because it didn't click with me but Sumeru what bring me back the lore is everywhere the world quests are amazing the main quest was really good but the nation itself was the most thing that I enjoyed the most, exploring it I know exploring without doing world quest are so limited but because the world quest story lines were so interesting at least to me, it guides you to every area you need to explore, and I love that especially that I don't do them in one go I take my time with it, so I had a lot of content to explore and Fontaine just get rid of limiting exploration at least in most parts which good because yeah if you follow the story line of Sumeru's world quest you would find it justified why it's limit you but for a lot of players they don't want to read, don't really care about the lore (which's unfortunate) or just don't have time to do it I can see why Sumeru wasn't for everyone they did it amazingly for people who love to explore the lore with good story lines, but it's not for casual nor for hardcore players it's for specific type of players and that it is the biggest mistake I feel even if I enjoy it personally it's not for everyone

im new to the game and am aso jealous of all the people that got all the content i missed

9:36 you are right the character should be able to wonder around in the world

I wish they made all limited events available in chronological order but it'll never happen. Or maybe like a chest reset but it'll neva happen. I get spammed genshin ads cause google knows i miss the game. If only it had a form of engame that wasn't just luck based numbers/stats for combat arena

The way you felt about Sumeru... I have that with Fontaine. I never had any expectations because Fontaine just by description had it very hard to amuse me. Basically another Mondstadt, only with (the million times seen) steampunk theme. Not for me. But they did amazing anyway. It's just it has some general layout problems that make me feel like the place lacks space and exploration is not that thrilling because I can't get lost there. Everything is pretty much straightforward. I just have to brace and survive for something visually more... new (Natlan). Also Chenyu Vale should be coming soon as they tease it hard and I've been thrilled to get new Liyue for ages ♥ But good to hear so many people found exactly what they needed from Genshin in Fontaine. (I would really love to see something more statistical, WHAT is it that makes some enjoy Fontaine and dislike Sumeru and vice versa. Because it's basically these two polar sides.)

@Melotaku

5 ай бұрын

Yeah me too, I feel the same way. That's really interesting that it's either you love Fontaine and thought Sumeru was meh or you love Sumeru and think Fontaine was meh. That's how me and my gf are. I loved Sumeru, she loves Fontaine. Maybe we need to have a survey of some kind to these two groups of people. Or simply just ask some general questions about what the two groups like and what they and seeking when they play Genshin.

@Rihorama

5 ай бұрын

@@Melotaku I was thinking about it again just yesterday. Maybe it's because you and me enjoy having the exploration objectives hidden? I came back to look for some missing stuff in Haddramaveth desert and even after deliberately sweeping it two times before, I still found riddiculous amount of missed chests and puzzles. I was so excited 😂❤️. This is what makes the land feel immersive to me. I still find missing chests in Liyue till this day. Heck, I even found two in 100% part of the Rainforest. But this basically can't happen in Fontaine. I feel like I can stand on a hill and see everything :(

@Melotaku

5 ай бұрын

@@Rihorama That’s a good point. Fontaine feels so empty and open on the surface. Kinda similar to Mondstadt. But at least with Mondstadt it’s endless stretches of land, while Fontaine is broken up because there’s water in between. I actually prefer Mondstadt because of this. I will say though the underwater areas of Fontaine are amazing. Best underwater area I’ve played in any game for sure.

@Rihorama

5 ай бұрын

@@Melotaku I agree! I love the underwater exploration but I need big continuous chunks of land to feel like that place has substance. And Fontaine gave us so little land in 4.0 - it was a long noodle of a map with only a few meadows :( So I also prefer Mondstadt for this reason. Let's see what Mt. Esus in Fontaine has to offer once they add it. It was instantly the place I was most curious about (Dragonspine lover here) and ofc it was not available x_x As for the people who dislike Sumeru and love Fontaine, maybe they feel stressed when there is TOO much to explore and you must keep track of where you've been and where to go. Because Fontaine basically removed this. It's too easy to sweep, so probably stressless for many.

@Melotaku

5 ай бұрын

@@Rihorama I’m also quite curious about Mt. Esus. I’m a Dragonspine lover as well! I’m hoping for a challenging experience if it’s anything like Dragonspine. Well from what my gf has said about Sumeru, she’s a mobile player (iPad specifically). She has a hard time using the sigils to navigate. She feels like she’s going to fall to her death every time she uses them. And we know trying to navigate without using them is a big pain. She’s also mentioned she isn’t interested in most of the characters. The characters are the biggest reason my gf plays Genshin so it was a big turnoff from Sumeru as a whole for her. She says she doesn’t like their designs or personalities and much prefers the ones from Fontaine. I prefer Sumeru because of how vast it is and the, sigil navigation is fun to me. Also I just enjoy the aesthetic more than Fontaine. I like medieval fantasy, it’s why I like Mondstadt the most. Sumeru is like Persian medieval fantasy so it wasn’t far off from what I like. Except the desert, which was too technologically advanced for my liking. As for the characters, Sumeru’s are my favorite overall as they feel like a real group of friends, rather than just business relationships like Fontaine’s characters have. It’s more laid-back in Sumeru. These are at least, mine and my gf’s reasons.

Sumeru have stopped me from playing.. but fontaine brings me home.. and now i'm staying strong

I used to be afraid of the abyss and just get 33 star once and done. But after my characters are strong to get 36 star, I just view the abyss as a testing ground for some weird team I cook up.

Sumeru to fontaine is a complete 180 and in my opinion saved the game from falling into a mediocre cash grab. While Sumeru was largely a chore to explore (especially before 4.0 due to the lack of an underground map), fontaine genuinely evokes the same feeling I had when I first explored the mountains of Liyue. It's the single best thing to happen to the game since Inazuma, and for that you picked a great time to come back. Not to mention all of the QOL updates since the launch of Fontaine. Also if you're above AR55 and on the NA server feel free to join my world for Navia mats. I'll drop my ID if you want

Haedal, do you think you'll ever do a q&a, if so i'd like to eventually ask where you're name came from.

@Haedal_VT

5 ай бұрын

I plan on doing one for a 10K celebration. It’s kinda hard to explain in a comment, but I’ll remember your question for whenever that video comes out

This is hard to difficult to answer. The answer is yes and no. Yes if people are new or returned or if they got tired from Sumeru. No if people were too tired, or if they found other games to play or if the excitement is gone. Fontaine feels so mid. I tried but it doesn't feel the same anymore maybe because I've played RPGs like Kingdom Hearts and Xenoblade and I haven't touched Genshin since. I wish Genshin had 4 elements and regions instead of 7. By 4 elements I mean Geo, Anemo, Hydro and Pyro. 4 regions, Mondstadt, Liyue, Natlan and Snezhnaya. Playing Kingdom Hearts felt like a HUGE breath of fresh air. Natlan is coming this year and I don't know if people are still going to keep playing. I don't plan on coming back to Genshin to anytime soon. I just prefer RPGs. It's so mid now for me IMO.

@sagemaster1357

Ай бұрын

Have you played honkai star rail? I mostly play free roam games like ghost stories tsushima, Spider-man or just story focused games like the last of us. And fighting games like mk1.

I hope they keep character npcs in the world too, like in starrail

I feel the same, i've been playing this game since it came out and now i found myself trapped with that live service game design that is really bad and Hoyoverse doesn't even do it well. Fontaine made me appreciate again the things that made me stay despite the lack of content, but now i'm again logging in daily to do the daily missions for 60 mere primos and the casual crappy event that doesn't add anything and it's just filler content and free primos. I'm tired even though Natlan it's just two versions away at this point, it's a tiring game. I feel like it's an obligation just like other live service games make you feel, log in to do routine like if it was a job, you just scratch good content after a lot of walls of mediocre content and that it's the only thing that keeps you there. I do like Genshin and the feeling of journey that makes you feel, the music it's excellent, there is a lot of charming characters and i really love how they integrated culture of a lot of countries in the game. I've enjoy the game for a long time and i'm really curious about Natlan but i must say that i almost dropped it, the only thing that keeps me doing the occasional crappy events it's the fact that i'm f2p and actually in this kind of games if even paying real money makes you feel enslaved, i think being f2p it's like staying in a dungeon prison. I know that this comment it's more suited to be on the other video but this one made me realize the whole thing, really nice video.

Sept 28, 2024, a magical meteor will hit teyvat and will reset the game story but with all your progress intact, characters, weapon, level and refinement, all items, materials intact.

I started playing on 12/30 too 🤔 thats interesting 😅

everything ends at some point

TL;DR burnout is real and taking breaks is fine

Having the character in the world would make the game much more 'real' to me, also they send you birthday letters just to invite you to see them, but they are nowhere to be found!

"Imagine it's your first week in Genshin and you've just ascended Dragonspine" I've been playing for 1 and three quarter years and I've almost but not quite ascended Dragonspine on my second account. On my first account I haven't bothered whatsoever. But yeah that is not something you should be even attempting in your first week.

Subscribed to you since your last video even though I disagree about plenty of things such as abyss, endgame and especially sumeru. Infact I think sumeru was the turning point for the quality of this game where it went from a good game with good ideas but poor execution to masterpiece level in some aspects. It's what got me back into the game after the disastrous boring era of Inazuma. Sumeru made the game great for me again and is still better than fontaine story n visually imo. Though Fontaine roster blows everything else out of the water (no pun intended, sumeru/mond 2nd best cast still). Good to have you back(?) when the game is better than ever.

Genshin has SO MUCH content it's actually put into the game in relation to world building but is using NONE OF IT and that's what pisses me off the most tbh

honestly for me, sumeru didnt hit either. the region just didnt really attract me or gave me a want to explore it. ive barely explored sumeru and the desert even less. i was getting really burnt out at that point. fontaine was a huge breath of fresh air. i fell in love with the region and got back into the game. it made me remember the excitement i felt when exploring when i first started playing in 2021. plus the archon quest went absolutely hard. fontaine reeled me back in.

Fontaine also bring me back to play, also i'm finally completing sumeru :D

10/10 video

10:42 there are so many points that you address where i agree and, fhou i didn't do it, i seriously looked for a 'replacement' for genshin during the Sumeru versions but then, after literally trying a dozent, other amine style gacha games, i realised what made me stay with genshin. Its not a perfect game by any means but the world and everything just fits together and if you look deep enough genshinhas a level of depth to it that 90% of the games i played seriously laked. And thouse that had depth, for the most part, eather copied from genshin in one way or another or simply laked something to keep me interested as in they lost the fun factor maybe 10 hours in simply because they felt repetitive.

Your experience with Sumeru with Inazuma. I hate the motion sickness it give me, the stress build up especially those nonestop thunder. Raiden's sorry butt excuse for neglecting her entire country and Hoyoverse have to make an Arc II to redemn her lol. The whole Inazuma archon quest was rush and do no justice for kokomi argh. I hate Inazuma's exploration the most but thr moment when Sumeru comes O finallu have that break I wanted. Especially to see a bit of my cultures being represented makes me love Sumeru even more Sumeru feels magical for me I was happy with it. Sumeru is the first nations I 100% everything because damn I love Dehsret's lores sp much I literally look fot every crook and hints about him lmao but boy Fontaine's water exploration is the cake!

Majority of genshin players did quit from sumeru, myself included. Still can't be bothered to do sumeru quests

Liyue and Sumeru were the best regions for myself, there was alot worth exploring and doing in these regions, Fontaine for me though was kinda just boring half of the region being underwater and not being able to fight properly with my teams in the open world kinda irk'ed me, along with alot of the questing being just me tapping through dialog. and I'm a pretty new player myself like casually in like 6 months I have pretty much run through all the content in the game and now I log in do commisions for keys as I have a few of them left to do, then I what grind out artifacts when pretty much all the content can be done on average artifacts... my hope is that they introduce more multiplayer stuff personally.. .

What burnt me out in this game is daily tasks. I barely play any game every single day. And when it forces me to - I lose interest in a week. I was one of the first players back when it first released, and I dropped it right after daily tasks became available. Next time I tried to return a few years later. First, I found that all my progress is lost. Okay, I wasn't that far, even tho I had a few release-time bonuses. For a week, I wondered why I lost interest. Everything seemd fine. Then I progressed back to daily tasks. And yeah, I remembered. And now I don't forget.

@ajop2235

5 ай бұрын

1. Daily quest are not mandatory? You can skip them if you don't want to do it so there's really no issue in that regard. 2. They implemented new update a while back where daily quests can be completed when you explore the world. For example, if you solve a puzzle for a quest that will count as an instance of finish daily quest.

@qasderfful

5 ай бұрын

@@ajop2235 The game makes sure to tell you you're missing out. I can't skip it.

@FineUser

5 ай бұрын

@@qasderfful It depends on what your end goal is- Experiencing the story and just playing the game for the sake of playing doesn't require you to optimize everything.

@qasderfful

5 ай бұрын

@@FineUser It's a there so I have to make it go away somehow, and it doesn't go away until it's completed. And I can't play for myself until it goes away.

@mysty_nyx

5 ай бұрын

Honestly? It just sounds like you feel more beholden to FOMO than enjoying yourself. Just because something is in your quest log or has primos doesn’t mean you have to do it. You don’t have to make every single thing in the game “complete”. You don’t have to 36 the abyss, you don’t have to 100% regions, you don’t have to level characters to 90, you don’t have to use all your resin, and you don’t have to do daily quests if you don’t enjoy them. Especially so with the recent update mentioned earlier in the thread where you can get your daily rewards just by playing the game instead of going out of your way. Forcing yourself to do them when you don’t enjoy them means you probably have some compulsions and/or anxiety you should work on. You’re allowed to play only the parts of the game that you enjoy and ignore the rest (which is extremely easy to do in Genshin compared to most online games like it). The only one stopping you is you.

There is no endgame content yet...

The solution to staying longer in Genshin is to get invested with the in-game TCG. …I really wish Mihoyo thought of a better solution, lol. Please, please, please fill out the version 4.3 survey. I got badly spoiled by the event too and Mihoyo needs to know that this event should have came with the Quick-Start feature. Please let them know that in the survey.

First video i watch from you and you automatically call my taste trash... My brain: Welp he got a point subscribe 😂

My biggest problem with _Genshin_ is, and will ever be, that everything is determined through RNG. You cannot, and should not ever try, to min-max your gear unless you're willing to 'overstress your physicals,' as the Bronya would put it. This is why I play super-casually, with a focus on story and events. They did say they would find a way to add a replay ability, but given how much time has passed since they said so, I won't hold my breath. Unfortunately regarding Endgame content, no there will never be any true endgame to _Genshin_ . According to the Dev Notes from way back, they said they weren't putting any because they didn't want it to be 'too stressful' for some players. So I don't count Spiral Abyss, since (A) most of it is spent waiting for the boss enemy to become vulnerable so you can attack it for a few seconds, and (2) what is it, if not stressful? Fortunately, some of the mechanics that would easily solve _Genshin_ 's biggest issues, which are active in _Honkai Impact 3rd_ , have started to bleed over because players of _Honkai: Star Rail_ are more aware that they exist, and players of both of the more recent games are now asking more loudly why _Genshin_ doesn't have these things. Indeed, this is a good question. Also why, despite asking since launch, we still cannot pet the animals, Mihoyo? There are still many helpful things from _HI3_ that would improve _Genshin_ by leaps and bounds, so let's hope they carry over in the next few years, at least before the Teyvat Chapter ends, yes? Which brings me to the question of 'endings.' Mihoyo likes to keep its games going for as long as they are still profitable and/or fun, and for my evidence, we have only to look at _Guns Girls Z_ and _Honkai Impact 3rd_ . Both are launching their next phases in their story sometime next month, probably before the end of February. Mihoyo shows no sign of closing _GGZ_ even though the main original story was finished many years ago, they just add on more, and keep the game alive for its players. Similarly, _HI3_ is a big passion project, so they'll keep that going for at least six more years, according to Dawei himself. From Mondstadt to Khaner'iah, and maybe Celestia and the Abyss, the Travails Trailer has called it 'The Teyvat Chapter,' and since the Traveler Siblings can travel between worlds like the Astral Express, we can believe that they will go to other worlds besides Teyvat, extending the potential story of _Genshin_ , perhaps infinitely. It goes with the whole cosmology of the Honkaiverse, the Imaginary Tree and the Sea of Quanta, that there are other worlds and versions of bubble worlds that the Siblings could visit to extend their adventures further (they are thousands of years old). This means _Genshin_ can continue for as long as Mihoyo wants it to, just like their other games. No need to worry about it ending with Teyvat. As long as _Genshin_ continues, there are many possibilities for its continung stories. Also, as long as it continues, there are possibilities for competing games to pop up. Competition is one of the only ways the Genshin Team will feel like improving the game to provide players with a better experience so they won't want to jump ship, so I really want there to be competition, preferably from outside of Mihoyo itself. I want their games to be as good as possible, after all. But for now, if you want an endgame experience, you have to go to _HSR_ and _HI3_ , not _Genshin_ . But for you, these games may not tickle your fancy, since they don't have true open worlds. Each of Mihoyo's games is different.

LMAOOOO hilarious Event vs Archon Quest situation

The end 💀

I hope I wont regret giving genshin another change.

@MrMeisterRoxas

5 ай бұрын

Just make sure to not get spoiled, that makes or breaks Fontaines story.

Fontaine feels fresh and gives me the same vibe as Liyue and Mondstad did. For me, Inazuma was pretty boring and annoying. Sumeru was okay but too big in my opinion, and after aranarananal, I dropped off completely and only started when The Fontaine was introduced.

why would you go to Fountain when you just doing Liyue? are u insane?

wuthering waves could destroy genshin

Same. I don't dislike sumeru, I just don't feel like excited exploring to it. Probably the theme itself doesn't fit on me?

people who legit cry over genshin stories are weird

@Exodus_44

5 ай бұрын

yeah they have mental of 5 y.o toddler

well even mihoyo seem to be aware that sumeru was is a bit to overloaded and semi. So they let you skip it exploration wise.

This game is best when you come back after a few month, because if you play everyday, it's just another job...