Hate to perpetuate a tired meme but: 1994 "Has feminism gone too far" 2019 "Hold my beer"

@Vishnu_Karthik

4 жыл бұрын

*Hold my MALE Tears Mug

4 жыл бұрын

@@Vishnu_Karthik Go make me a sandwich

@pramod119

4 жыл бұрын

@@Vishnu_Karthik porukki

@sta5011

4 жыл бұрын

@ J T G And it did

So many many years later, and the talking points have not changed. If anything, it's gotten much worse.

@berkano_plays

4 жыл бұрын

Watch Thomas Sowell & William F. Buckley interview from '81... Talking points and the playbook have indeed stayed the same...

@MechaJutaro

4 жыл бұрын

So many many years later, and the talking points have not changed. If anything, it's gotten much worse. Alternate interpretation: Like all forms of prejudice, male-bashing/misandry/gynocentrism/female privilege is, to some degree, not remedial. The sooner we all accept this, and recognize that, for most part, it's a nuisance rather than an existential threat to civilization as we know it, the better off we'll all be

@regalsmartie11

4 жыл бұрын

They were on point. I cant believe it was 1995... These things should be said in 2020!

@legalfictionnaturalfact3969

2 жыл бұрын

@@MechaJutaro female privilege. lolol

@garypalmer1122

2 жыл бұрын

I'm watching this in 2022 and it's definitely worse - makes me sad for young men and women in particular.

I can't believe we were asking this same question 25 years ago!

@joshmuir8058

4 жыл бұрын

they were asking the same question in the 60s as well when women were campaigning to be let into the workforce

@Vishnu_Karthik

3 жыл бұрын

@@joshmuir8058 there was literally no law against women in the workforce

These women saw this way ahead of the curve, if it wasn't for the hairdo's and video quality, you wouldn't know this was 1994.

@nikeisagreekgoddess4135

Ай бұрын

They weren't. They are calling out the things they saw. This means all this bs has been going on for over 30 years

I NEED these ladies to start a daily podcast on culture.

@tracesprite6078

2 жыл бұрын

Do you watch Factual Feminist? Also Diana Davison? Karen Straughan? Peter Lloyd? Bettina Arndt?

This is crazy. This was known back then and is only now starting to be taken seriously 20 something years later. It's almost hard to believe the information has been here for so long.

@iDEATH

4 жыл бұрын

I think it's because things roll through and out of The Academy so slowly. I remember being there in the early 90s and thinking "yeah! We sure finished off that Political Correctness! That nonsense is done!". It all hid in the halls of upper education, and it's just been this decade that it's started pouring out into the mainstream.

@TheFirstTriplefife

4 жыл бұрын

@@iDEATH I worry that Feminism is just like a lot of other things. Like a fad that just cycles back into the main stream every 20 years. Can you imagine if we had to deal with this every 20 years only to see things continually get worse for men?

@emancoy

4 жыл бұрын

Most of us are oblivious, as I recall, it got really famous when I first saw the extremely loud and rude big red.

@garypalmer1122

2 жыл бұрын

I'm actually quite surprised to find that these were issues in the mid-1990s, especially when you bear in mind that they were looking backwards at recent experience - i.e., late 1980s to early 1990s. I'm watching this now in 2022 and it seems far worse.

@TheFirstTriplefife

2 жыл бұрын

@@garypalmer1122 Yep and its only gotten worse from there on. This is why its important for people to know and understand history, but so few actually feel compelled to do so. Instead it is usually those in the academic circles that learn this and then those who are willing to exploit or hide something they don't want others to know.

Wow, this craziness goes back to the nineties. I thought this was a recent phenomenon.

@JoaquinCorreaDrums

3 жыл бұрын

There's a movie called PCU (politically correct University) and it's from the early 90s, it's humor might seem stupid and bland now but it dealt with all this stupidity.

@Evilroco

3 жыл бұрын

This started in the 60's and the effect was evident within one generation

@essies4294

3 жыл бұрын

Nothing new under the sun. Also, social mores don't move linearly.

@Yeeted_Utensil

2 жыл бұрын

@@Evilroco No no, even further back, this goes way back to woman suffrage movement, but 1920s, people like Wilhelm Reich really made it nuts.

@joannamonique707

2 жыл бұрын

Me too. Just makes it more obvious what their real issue is. For a traditionalists feminism is always "going too far."

2 women whom I love to this day. Sommers and Paglia were calling out the warning 20 years ago. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

@popland1977

4 жыл бұрын

Paglia promotes pedophilia

@Corbiel

3 жыл бұрын

@@popland1977 where do you see this? I am curious what has you thinking this

1994 and all those feminist myths continue to be carried on to this day. Unbelievable.

"Has feminism gone too far?" Yes! Our current salient question is "Has the Alphabet Mafia gone too far?" Again I say emphatically, YES

...and still elegant, witty and impassioned a generation later. God bless you both.

Feminism was/is doomed to fail because "separation of the theory always ends up becoming theory of the separation".

OMG. Im a millenial and its like they were prophets for the 2010s! Everything they said was wrong with feminism has become even more monsterous!

@regalsmartie11

4 жыл бұрын

@Ray Patson the far left is winning everywhere except the ballot box. Thank god when it comes to voting the normal sane people cant be stopped so easily

@gotime5883

3 жыл бұрын

hell yesss! "Paglia the Prophet"

Twenty five years ago these women were saying the same exact thing, fighting the same awful fanatics. We thought those fanatics had died. Now they're back and so much worse.

Two of the bravest women alive. Have greast respect from those two.

Thank you for uploading this. I heard Christina mention this interview a couple of years ago and was looking all over KZread for to no avail until now.

@tracesprite6078

2 жыл бұрын

Her videos are called Factual Feminist.

*"Has feminism gone too far?"* YES

@Vishnu_Karthik

3 жыл бұрын

@Froggy Noddy Free Men from What? Relationships&Marriage? I guess they're succesful in that.. As we all know, Strong Independent Women don't need no Man!

This discussion was prescient for the time, but unsurprising, as these two ladies had understood the drift feminism was taking when many of us back then had not understood the direction things were going. Ladies, your work today (2019) is still so relevant as radical feminism has become so extreme. Male bashing is now really out of control.

@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017

4 жыл бұрын

William Taylor Not to mention anti white rhetoric

@taywil64A

4 жыл бұрын

@@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 Needless to say! A straight white male, is now the most unprivileged of any gender, race or sexual grouping due to feminists and their cultural Marxism. When they are older they may perhaps see the error of their ways, but that is to hope for too much.

@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017

4 жыл бұрын

@@taywil64A Indeed.

@davidaprogers

4 жыл бұрын

​@@taywil64A You've got to be fucking kidding me. Straight white male here. Your victimhood complex is pathetic.

And here we are at year 2019 and its still ongoing. If not even being more popular than ever and I find it very frightening.

@birgittabirgersdatter8082

4 жыл бұрын

Usama Fayyaz Irina is a girls name.

@humble2246

4 жыл бұрын

@Usama Fayyaz why does that matter?

@moodcatching

4 жыл бұрын

@Usama Fayyaz What? There are many women with the same opinion as Sommers and Paglia (seen in this interview) who don't agree with 3rd wave feminism. Why would that be strange for a women to speak up against this? There also were non-jewish germans who spoke up against the cruelty done to jews. Just because you are a part of the benefitted group doesn't mean you can't stand up against injustice...

Christina Sommers is one hell of a witty woman

Interesting. And Christina is even prettier today! I really mean that.

@marlonmoncrieffe0728

4 жыл бұрын

Sommers IS aging very well.

@peterkee354

4 жыл бұрын

@@marlonmoncrieffe0728 full carol vordaman without the porn hang ups.

@yehor_ivanov

4 жыл бұрын

MILF

@adsones

4 жыл бұрын

That's rather sexist, isn't? 😅😅

@vince7735

3 жыл бұрын

She looks better blonde but she should stay away from the wine.

The fact that this conversation occurred in 1994 ... and yet, everything's that's being talked about is just as - if not more - relevant today is so indicative of what's happened to society.

It's jarring to hear what they described 26 years ago, was just a foreshadowing of what's about to come.

And this was 1994!!!! I don't think this battle will be won in our lifetime.

@marlonmoncrieffe0728

4 жыл бұрын

...Maybe not. Men are avoiding modern marriage like the plague due to the feminazis and there is an open conversation finally taking place.

I can't believe that this video was uploaded a day ago! I was just looking for this video.

Finally some feminists I can respect, they want equal opportunity and not equal outcomes. Which now exists in most countries.

Young folks: this is what the long lost phenomenon of intellectual honesty looks like.

I could easily position this video as one of the most relevant ever posted on KZread. It's ferociously honest and delightful - how brave for these two lovely women to stood up for their truth and to bash the gender bias and anti-male, anti-scientific agenda in the Humanities that now has reached metastasis not only inside the Academe circles, but the media, public discourse, curriculum and mainstream culture! I could only imagine how frustrating it must be for them to be talking about the very same issues today, which fatally aggravated 16 years later. I'm sick of all the crap about toxic masculinity, rape culture and the gender gap. I have only respect for them -specially Paglia for whom I'm an avid devotee. Her unapologetic wit and her nuance stands on religion are absolutely spot on and brilliant. Not to mention her manic rhetoric and deep erudition. THAT is a Super Woman!

More than 25 years, how does these great women have the patience to still have hope. I can't, I just can't.

@brianmeen2158

Жыл бұрын

It’s why Thomas Sowell gave up as he saw it was a never ending game tat simply could not be won and here we are - it’s only worse

Current day feminism, too big to fail and still unhappy.

@goosemasters

4 жыл бұрын

Wow. Well said!

@daviddub

3 жыл бұрын

Too big to fail, but body positive about it. 😁

Humanity loves to give attention to negativity and that is what modern feminism has become. We in various anime and game groups have respect for these two women for standing up for the truth of what feminism has become. There are battles to be fought and all the male bashing, all this seeking of attention prevents us from sending reinforcements to those fights. I wish that these two would promote some of the fights for women's rights that still need to be fought more often.

We should have listened.

Really wish more people had taken these women seriously our generation would have been a lot better.

If these 2 woman would have gotten more coverage maybe all this madness could have been avoided. But humanity keeps a trend of mainstreaming the worst arguments each and everytime.

@_Junkers

3 жыл бұрын

It's what sells..

I came from the future to warn you all: FEMINISM GOTTEN MUCH WORSE!

If only they knew how much worse it was going to be 25 years later.

11:04 This removal of art are still going on. In Sweden a feminist politician demanded that pieces of art should be taken down... and has been taken down. Paintings by Georg Engelhard Schröder "Juno" got taken down, and then "Ceres" ... puritanical nonsens

Lol “Senator Biden seems to be susceptible,” “oh what a weak link [Biden].” Hahah. Called it.

@tracesprite6078

2 жыл бұрын

I feel so grateful to President Biden rescuing America from the horrors of that bumbling fool, Trump.

20:25 Senator Biden: "What a weakling!" It's hilarious and sad all at once!

@tracesprite6078

2 жыл бұрын

I am intensely grateful to President Biden for rescuing America and the world from the pathetic incompetence and rambling incoherence of Trump.

@captainfury497

2 жыл бұрын

@@tracesprite6078 Lmao America is at its weakest on the word stage now. It wouldn't have happened under Trump

@captainfury497

2 жыл бұрын

I was about to comment this

@tracesprite6078

2 жыл бұрын

@@captainfury497 Trump seemed to be under the spell of Putin so at this very difficult time, Trump may have been collaborating with Putin.

@captainfury497

2 жыл бұрын

@@tracesprite6078 No. Lib cope putin didn't do anythi ng as long as Trump was i power because he knew there would be serious retalliations Nobody in the world is afraid of senile fumbling Biden. In fact he's a laughing stock. Even the so called allies of America the Saudis snubbed him

Great women, ahead of their time. It's insanity to think women/feminists would ever be satified with anything related to men if they are never happy with their own hair style, hair colour, weight, boobs, butts, house, jobs...

I miss Christine Hoff Sommers' uploads.

@williampayton982

4 жыл бұрын

Her podcast is amazing

@Megamean09

4 жыл бұрын

@@williampayton982 She has a podcast?

@williampayton982

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah it's called the Femsplainers. They've interviewed Sam Harris, Ayaan Hirsi Ali and more, and discussed all sorts of social justice topics the last year. They've stopped for the summer so now is the time to catch up

@vince7735

3 жыл бұрын

She tweets a lot!!

Just brilliant and foresightful.

Only feminists that are worth listening to

Priceless!

Like all prophets, these women warned us and we didn't listen. Now look. I find both Paglia and Sommers a breath of fresh intellectual air, two people who don't conform to ANY dogma or rhetoric and think FOR THEMSELVES. The fact that this is called women-bashing or anti-feminism says everything about the so-called representatives of feminism and nothing about Paglia or Sommers. These two women represent the very potential and capabilities of the strongest, most autonomous women. Yet the Steinem branch of orthodox feminism calls them Nazis. Hhhmmm. I wonder why.

When the dust settles on this madness called modern feminism, Christina, Bernitta and Camile will be the heroes of the world. These are real women, not those sad and bitter, angry bunch. Crazy bunch.

@markflierl1624

2 жыл бұрын

Don't expect crazy feminism to end anytime soon. It's been getting worse not better. Even men are part of the movement.

@KD400_

Жыл бұрын

​@@markflierl1624 simps onlyfans porn etc

This is _so_ disappointing to see! They've been fighting this fight since 1995 and it's only gotten worse.

If I was a woman and a guy told me I had nice legs, I would be flattered.

@ep9691

2 жыл бұрын

That’s because you aren’t rich and in a rich college. 😉

@hotwax9376

2 жыл бұрын

@@ep9691 Yeah, I think there's some truth to that. You often hear about "white guilt," but I think there is also such a thing as "rich guilt." And it largely comes from the same place: leftists view both whites and rich people as "oppressors," so people who are rich or white (and especially if they're both) view the embrace of leftist politics as a form of virtue signaling. It allows them to show that they're "good" whites or "good" rich people.

Damn Christina looked good with a bob haircut.

2019 here! Things are worse than every before.

I LOVE these two. Thank God for "The Factual Feminist".

They are so great! :-)

Wow! They’re so young here! And saying the exact same things they’re saying now!

Absolute legends.

From when PBS weren't partisan hacks

@ManInTheBigHat

4 жыл бұрын

I was thinking, 'PBS would never have these two on today.' In fact they can't touch any of these subjects at all.

@hejla4524

4 жыл бұрын

PBS unwatchable now. Their 'wokeness' pollutes even their historical documentaries now and we subsidize it with our precious tax dollars.

@JiuJitsuTrashcan

4 жыл бұрын

Everything has been invaded by leftist elites.

My favorite REAL Feminists.

@hejla4524

4 жыл бұрын

Also Janice Fiamengo and Karen Straughan.

@chopin65

4 жыл бұрын

@@hejla4524 Janice is awesome. Don't know about Karen Straughan.

Two outstanding ladies! Bravo!

1994 year!….so all this hell started that times?.. so long ago

@markflierl1624

2 жыл бұрын

It started before that. I can remember the craziness of the early 80's.

This is still so relevant

What a great, thinking host!!!!

I love both of these women!!

These two together is a POWERHOUSE!!! Big brain plays.

22:15 Camille makes a salient point that I rarely hear talked about these days.

Who else thought the outro was extremely pleasant soothing music and calming announcement. Compare this to current days loud beat drops giving hypertension.🥺

Wow, these things haven't changed a bit.

"Senator Biden seems to be vulnerable" Wow

My two favourite ladies ! Terrifying that 25yrs later the ‘effective busy bodies’ now run the bloody world !

Two amazing woman

OMG Camille! Take it easy... Appreciate your passion, even your argument but lay off the triple espressos

@tracesprite6078

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, she talks like a woodpecker on steroids.

@nobledarkmoon

6 ай бұрын

​@@tracesprite6078I think that is the way she had to go to start getting some attention back then. Using speed, power and conviction. Almost no guys will have that capability to communicate in that way at all. You also have to respect her directness, respect and restraint that she also provides.

@tracesprite6078

6 ай бұрын

@@nobledarkmoon She is an interesting speaker and I value her viewpoint.

Rest In Peace Ben Wattenberg.

one look at the current dating and marriage apocalypse tells us what has happened in the past 27 years

The sanest women I have heard to.

We live in a gynecocracy. In few years boys will be given tampons as part of their college admission package. I think we mostly all agree that we need equality of opportunity and equal pay for equal work. We also need equal punishments for equal crimes. And we need equal treatment in divorce & family courts.

@nobledarkmoon

6 ай бұрын

What is family court? There are Women's Courts. Are Women's courts and family courts the same thing?

This is more relevant now

Paglia has too much energy as always, and her literature was introduced to me by gender study professor.

@lad7534

3 жыл бұрын

What do you study in gender studies?, i dont think that exists in my country, and what does a person who graduates from that work in?

@markfernandes9715

Жыл бұрын

It's a degree in feminism, and you get hired in the public sector or in teaching, universities etc.,. In the UK, at least, there has been an oversupply of graduates with these qualifications since the 1990's anyway.

Since this it's gotten worse like 10 folds and grew arms and extended, like an octopus, to even more non-sensical, oft-politicized issues. The western world is a mess.

This interview is from 1994. These issues were discussed well before this in both their books and other interviews/discussions. Here we are in 2021 at modern feminism is getting worse and worse and gaining more and more power and more and more influence and nothing is being done about it. WHY????? Who is to blame for this insanity???

@af5433

2 жыл бұрын

Judith Butler is to blame!

@2packrm781

7 ай бұрын

Lobbyists & the politicians are also on the list as well.

Shorts answer! Yes!! It’s cancer, and we need to find a cure ASAP.

@marklandrebe9895

4 жыл бұрын

ABSOLUTELY - But too little,too late ! !

@kevper96

4 жыл бұрын

Mark Landrebe it’s only a matter of time that all weak beta men and feminists will see and understand that they were wrong all this time for giving more and more power allowing women to not be accountable for their actions. How insulting to our female companions. They will understand that we are different not better than anyone, but have our pros and cons and it’s fair. But until then I fear we will have more battles to fight.

A great program.. God it's been so long... I remember watching Think Tank in the 1990s... Great program, though Wattenberg was more of a neocon if I remember correctly..

Wattenberg trying to get a word in against Paglia. Good luck, buddy.

They saw the train coming but no one could stop the cultural locomotive. And here we are. 🤮 God help us.

Still waiting for that reconciliation between the sexes...how much longer is it going to take?

Either of these two should be the first female POTUS.

Wow they were saying this in the 90’s. Damn

Based Mom and Based Goddess.

19.47 right there... now you got it

Omg dream duo

and this was 26 years ago

True equality can only be accomplished when we stop adding are they male or female and only care about what they do and how good are they. To run as a society we have to be as efficient as possible and only accept people based on skill. What we need to remove is stereotypes and all gender roles and if we build off of personal skill then as a society we will be more efficient and stronger.

15:15

OMG.... when Christina specifically noted Joe Biden as receptive!! And this is 1995??

12:27

1 guy 2 women, SO EVEN.

Ben Shapiro: ITALKVERY- Camille Paglia: *Before Ben could even speak* HOLDMYGINANDTONIC

@polyphonicdissonance6612

3 жыл бұрын

Lol

And they have everything now and woman still ain't happy!!!

Discrimination is needed in many ways

THIRTY FUCKING YEARS LATER. And EVERTHING they said has COME TO FRUITION. When do we learn?

Was anita sarkeesian even born when this was filmed?

@brndnwilks

4 жыл бұрын

Anita Sarkeesian wasn't born, she simply congealed.

based af

Christina Hoff Sommers is so hot.