We love motorcycles here, and our original goal comparing these bikes was to see how Harley's new liquid cooled engine stacks up against a liquid cooled option that is tried and proven, the Yamaha MT09! With a big focus of our channel being education, I know we learned a lot with putting these two bikes up against one another, and we hope you all did as well! We're gonna continue having fun and learning about motorcycles with future comparison videos! If you have any special requests, please feel free to comment below, and thank you all again for watching!

@codyadams6514

2 жыл бұрын

If you would like I have a new 2022 nightster that is there liquid cooled 975 if you want to compare similar ccs

@cisa1622

2 жыл бұрын

If you change the dynamics of sportster S in your workshop project I’m afraid if that will reduce the performance and safety of sportsters S . Your sportster S project is what I’m talking about.

@ErickNagy

2 жыл бұрын

I believe that a good competitor for the new S is the FTR. I would like to see both head to head in as many aspects as possible.

@pruthvivasireddy1242

2 жыл бұрын

Cool video, trying to decide on mt09sp or the new xsr900

@cisa1622

2 жыл бұрын

@@ErickNagy I think FTR will be a good competition but SPORTSTER S will win the drag race . These bikes are purpose built and value remains to that point.

As a Harley owner I could never imagine having a fast stock Harley. It's amazing what they did with these new engines.

@jadoncochrane9998

2 жыл бұрын

Vrod is fast stock 😁 I have the NRS. The sportster s is going to dethrone it by a little bit

@stevem4783

2 жыл бұрын

@@jadoncochrane9998 For a long time the V-Rod was legit in the muscle cruiser class, but the S dusts it. It's 170lbs lighter with similar output, that's no joke. Big difference. The NRS and the Nightster are about equal in straight line performance, the NRS puts out more grunt, but the power/weight ratio on both is pretty much the same. The Nightster is giving up 30hp, but it's 190lbs lighter and isn't pushing that 240 rear tire.

@RCTUN748

2 жыл бұрын

Hammer Performance will disagree with this statement.

@duosable

2 жыл бұрын

Japanese companies has been making fake liquid cool Harley that is fast for years.

@Fishinwill

Жыл бұрын

I have a 2018 Ultra Classic geezer glider for when the wife and I go on our weekend HOG rides. I have the Sporster S when I want to feel like I'm 20 years old again.

I own a 2021 MT09 SP and have never been a Harley guy but the new Sportster is the first Harley I'd ever consider owning. Going by your dyno results and factory weight specs, I calculated the the MT09 at 0.248 hp/lb and the Sportster at 0.225 hp/lb. Torque to weight goes to the Harley though at 0.171 tq/lb compared to the Yamahas 0.148 tq/lb. Just some more nitpicky facts for the keyboard warriors to fight over haha

@BlockheadMoto

2 жыл бұрын

Good insights!

@baymoto553

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah. I made the same calcs and to me it looks like the torque of the Sportster S is the obstacle that the MT09 cannot overcome (until you hit a bump or go around a tight curve). Anyway, thanks to Blockhead for this great comparison. Another point to be made. In my area I can purchase an MT09 SP for around $11,000 but the best msrp I can find on the Sportster S is $17,999 (not the ''official'' $15,500 or whatever). Beware of the Harley ''hidden'' costs when you get the invoice.

@cisa1622

2 жыл бұрын

@@baymoto553 Sportsters S is a 1250 . More planted and closer to its promised 121 hp performing machine. Appreciate the good work mate. MT09 value preposition is different from Harley sportster S. Sportster S is more power + more expensive bike.

@DJSixty

2 жыл бұрын

With that numbers and what we sow in the dyno and pulls thats the reason I say if the gear in use allow the MT09 to be at least at 7000rpm the HD shouldn't go away. Or if it did it should be only a little bit. I agree that the 09 will never catch up the SportsterS in any situation

I like a bike channel that actually likes bikes. There are a lot of Harley can do no wrong channels or the channels that think if you are not riding a liter bike you are basically a joke.

@BlockheadMoto

2 жыл бұрын

We love all bikes, no judgement here! I traded my liter bike for 2 Honda Groms b/c they're more fun, lol

Great video, I always enjoy dyno content, it’s a truth maker

Love the editing! So funny. Good work Justin!!

Love these dyno videos as well! Would love to see the new nightster on the dyno

I just picked up my sportster S today 2023 brilliant billiard blue, I have had many big bore Japanese sport bikes. This is my first Harley Davison and I can tell you when I yanked the throttle open I was super impressed with how much power it had. I’m very very happy with my purchase.

Having haters means you’re doing something right. Screw them. It’s all about what makes you happy.

@BlockheadMoto

2 жыл бұрын

I was just curious how H-D's new liquid cooled would stack up against a manufacturers liquid cooled bike that I know is fast. Honestly didn't expect the results that we got.

@Ozmandius

2 жыл бұрын

No... No having haters doesn't mean that at all. Haters gonna hate no matter what, and real stupidity garnering real criticism will also alway be shrugged off as "haters hating". It is what it is. Don't be an idiot in life and be honest with everyone including yourself.

It would be great to see this video with the new nightster vs the MT09 as I think they would be a little more closer comparison both with the engine and the ergos. Great video

I am glad to see Harley's new engines are doing well. I have always found the torque vs hp obsession strange. As was said in the video, you are riding the horsepower. The smaller Yamaha engine just has to turn more revs to get close to the larger Harley's power output That is why God invented the gearbox. The fact that one reaches max power at a lower engine speed is not really a big deal unless you prefer the engine sound of a slower engine. Gearing is what allows the power to reach the road

I love it! That last video was surprising. Now let's compare it to the MT10

@SportyRider

2 жыл бұрын

Haha I made that comment before you mentioned the MT10, nice!

@BlockheadMoto

2 жыл бұрын

@@SportyRider Sporty S vs MT10 incoming!

@TheAsheybabe89

2 жыл бұрын

Contrary to what the Yammie cult believes, it won't be that impressive. Several videos out of stock MT 10s laying down the lower end of 120 rwhp stock. Moore Mafia has one.

I love the MT-09 and the CP3 engine. Not a Harley guy per se, but the Sportster S is pretty sweet and I was definitely impressed with it out pulling the MT in your last video. I'm happy for Harley as to me, it seems like they're heading in the right direction. At the end of the day, they're both cool bikes. No reason to let it twist your underpants. :)

@BlockheadMoto

2 жыл бұрын

I like both of them, was just curious to see how H-D's new liquid cooled engine would stack up against a manufacturer that's well established in the liquid cooled market. Didn't expect the results we got tbh!

@Gmunder83

2 жыл бұрын

I agree HD should make the transition to modernize their bikes. I am sure they can create awesome modern sport bikes, once they but the money and research into it.

@wildwilco

2 жыл бұрын

its more than 300cc bigger, and has only 2 cilinders compared to the MT09 3 cilinder engine... every single pull they did was from really low rev, where the cp3 engine is barely making any power... i wish they would bring a proper comparison.

@ErickNagy

2 жыл бұрын

I was not impressed, it was as expected. The S has a great torque to weight ratio when compared to the MT-09. Its engine has to move like 1/2lbs less for each N of torque. Then, there's the lower rpm range the power is delivered. So, no surprises there. 👍

“Type silly stuff” Nailed it!

I"m sort of dumbfounded why anyone would chose a bike based solely on dyno numbers. They are interesting but torque and power curves are only two metrics. There are so many other factors that should be considered when making a bike choice. Dyno numbers don't mean one bike is overall better than another for a particular person. It only means it has better dyno numbers.

@BlockheadMoto

2 жыл бұрын

Nobody should choose a bike based on what numbers are on paper. That’s also not what we’re saying here either, it’s just a comparison video of two liquid cooled engines, one that’s new, and one from a manufacturer that’s been doing it for awhile. 2 vs 3 cylinder. Motorcycles are much more than statistics. They’re about a feeling. The stats on paper can give you an idea of how it’ll feel, but I always recommend people go ride a bike to see what they like the most.

@4-n52

2 жыл бұрын

@@BlockheadMoto I know that's not what you guys were saying. Sorry if I implied that. My comment was more in reference to comments I see where people are putting too much emphasis into numbers. I unfortunately see them fairly frequently and makes me just shake my head. As a software engineer I do enjoy stats and numbers so I like these videos but I take the numers for what they are. I didn't choose any of my bikes based off of specs. I test rode all of them except my first one because I made an offer I didn't expect them to accept and they did. So I had my first bike a week before I could legally ride it. Had it delivered.

Blockhead great job you're a leader two wheels one motor great comparison big ups 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

Excellent video, thanks for the informative contents 👏🏽🙏🏼

I love data. We all have our own views and opinions, but it’s cool to see comparison data. As always, I’m glad you’re transparent with the info, because I know how much you love that MT-09. 🔥🤘🏼

@BlockheadMoto

2 жыл бұрын

DATA!

@MichaelBertini

2 жыл бұрын

@@BlockheadMoto day-DAH! 😜

Great video, any news please on the Sportster S streetfighter build coming soon?

my curiosity comes up to the FTR and the Sporty. P.S. thanks for the thumbs-up reminder😂

Looking forward to seeing what you come up with. Weight will be interesting. I hope you have a good result!

Great video I love your passion guys.

I qa surprised by the original video of you vs. Iron J moto and I was impressed, but believed you because who you've proven to be over the last 8 years of your channel. At the end of the day, Harley has built a fast bike! Good on them. Hope it reliable.

Nice demonstrations. Harley’s larger motor brings horsepower and torque sooner in the rev range vs MT09. I like the look of the Sportster S even the stock exhaust. Typically I like underbelly exhaust

My stock Sportster S ran a best of 10.93@119mph with a 6.91@100mph 1/8th mile. Last I checked the MT-09 has run a best of something like 10.7@130mph with 6.8 1/8th's Regardless of what the dyno says, 1/4 mile numbers don't lie. Not downplaying the sportser S at all, I love my ride. But the MT-09 is faster both riders being equal.

@stevem4783

2 жыл бұрын

Well, the 1/4 mile numbers do lie if you don't consider the context. They need to be compared with same skill riders in the same conditions or it doesn't matter...like comparing numbers from two different dynos.

@bharsen

2 жыл бұрын

@@stevem4783 Which is an impossibility. All riders are different. All conditions are different. The 3 tenths is a pretty miniscule lead that I will agree with. But you can't overlook the trap speed difference. That's a 10mph difference in trap speed. It's a huge difference.

@bharsen

2 жыл бұрын

@@stevem4783 And if you're trying to say I can't ride. I cut a 1.65 60ft on a stock tire, stock everything Sportster S. Another person I know with the S ran 11.1@122mph but we won't go there. As far as I know I'm the fastest recorded 1/4 mile so far. It has a bit more in it I'm sure but not any more than a tenth or two.

@stevem4783

2 жыл бұрын

@@bharsen I didn't say or even imply anything about your skill. The only way to really see when the difference is that close is to put two riders on two stock bikes on the same day and have at it a few times with each rider on both. I've seen "official" 1/4 times vary by up to a full second depending on a whole slew of variables nobody can account for. Elevation, temp, humidity, track conditions, rider skill, among others... Honestly putting both bikes on the same dyno on the same day and comparing the powerbands and power/weight ratios is likely a better tool for direct comparison than quoting track times without context.

@bharsen

2 жыл бұрын

@@stevem4783 Dyno numbers are well and fine until you start factoring in weight and gearing. Which is why the 1/4 mile tells a better tale about what it can do than a dyno sheet. Especially when you know the DA and such when the run took place. Because then you can calculate it to sea level if you're into that kind of thing. As I said, both riders being equal, the MT-09 is the faster of the two. It doesn't hurt my pride to say that in the least because it's legit fact.

great video man 👍

Hey Blockhead crew. Screw the haters that got all butt hurt because a Harley beat their Hypernaked. I love my 2021 MT-09SP too but it’s not the fastest bike on the planet. It’s exactly what it’s meant to be, a torque monster and great all around bike. Great content as always.

@JoeStanek-vu7rl

8 ай бұрын

MT 10 is what the 1200 Harley should have been compared to... and the Harley would have been stomped.

At 10:20 for example you should also compare dyno speed with the most similar gear so that the peak power would end at approximately the same time. Because like that if you compare different gears of the same bike you can get graph results a bit like that. Of course the HD is the torque king here, and if bikes weighted the same thr HD would always be much stronger pulling. In reality comparing the speed the 2nd gear of the HD reaches you must use 1st gear on the 09 to be closer. I do believe that way the "race" should be neck to neck.

Great video , Have you guys done any updates on the Sportster S ?

On the sportster s can you dyno in a different gear so you dont hit speed limiter? Looks like you able to take it to 7.4k rpm but im wondering if there's actually more in it at redline.

Oooo don’t forget about the street fighter conversion!!! Gonna be a sick project and content generator!

Just block out the haters bro. Love the videos!

Great watch guys thank you

Really enjoy this video. Could u do FTR vs sporster or even the chief dark horse. I was think going idian for my next bike but that sporster vs mt09 video made pause and take second look at Harley. Thank again

Great job, you guys... I love Sportster S from Day 1...

As a Harley owner I was shocked by the power it made stock.

This may be a dumb question, but considering the MT-09 revs much higher, wouldn't shorter gearing on the MT-09 put the wheel torque of both bikes closer together?

Id love to hear how your Hammer 1275 Sportster compares to these two bikes in overall performance and general riding experience. I came from an FZ09 to a 1200 Iron and was actually just about to go the Hammer route when you did yours but ended up pausing that for the time being.

@toofastnobrakes

Жыл бұрын

Get the Sportster S, will out perform a hammer in every aspect

Keep up the good work .

I would like to see what the RC51 has for numbers to show you what a vtwin liter bike was putting down back in the day LOL.. this is a great comparison and there will always be people who will second or 4th guess ya on stuff. glad you like both bikes, glad you got both bikes, and can't wait to see what the crew comes up with to do next. cheers. side not still would like you to put on the vrod to see its stock numbers (if no one has done a stage 1 yet) or even compare it to a stage 1.. obviously it will kill it due to the weight difference but still would be fun to see. (bias since I own one LOL).

I really like these. Please do one for the Triumph Speed Twin 1200

If you do get your hands on the MT-07 I’d love to see a comparison between the 07 and 09 in mode 4. Also with mode 4 if you think the 09 would be manageable for a responsible beginner.

No need to defend yourself, you make great content. There's always gonna be haters no matter what. Most times I make a comment I get a hater comment on my comment. Have a great day, you guys are awesome!

Still surprised the Harley pulled away like it did considering I have a "built up" dyna street bob with a 110 (106hp/122tq) and a 2020 z900 with just a slip on. On paper power wise it's close hp but there is no way in hell my dyna is beating the Z even if it has almost double the tq it's also 200lbs heavier.

@stevem4783

2 жыл бұрын

I'd expect your Dyna to do well against the Kawi from a dig and down low. Makes its power a lot lower and has a lot more grunt. From a roll or once you're at speed (which won't take long) the Z900 should pull away, that's where the revs and the power/weight ratio shine.

@ErickNagy

2 жыл бұрын

The S is barely 80 lbs heavier than the MT-09, so it is a much better power to weight ratio (comparing the S to other air colled HDs).

@kadimsilahtar

2 жыл бұрын

@@ErickNagy I am sure lighter wheel and tyres would drive the S crazy ;)

@TheAsheybabe89

2 жыл бұрын

@@stevem4783 I'm not even sure it would from a dig. The Z is a low torque motor in inline 4 terms. Peak torque is at 7000ish (which it obviously revs to rather quickly). Considering his Harley is probably hitting peak at 3000-4000 out of an available 6000ish rpm, other than the first 60 feet or so, the Z should be able to rev up fast enough to hit peak torque at or before the Harley does. The real limiting factor on the dig will be that the Z will be harder to launch well without looping. Check out full gas (a drag racing channel on YT). They have several Z900s on there run 10.05ish in the quarter and pulling some upsets (poor MT 10).

@stevem4783

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheAsheybabe89 That first 60 feet or so is pretty much what I was getting at, especially factoring in the ease of launching the Harley vs the difficulty of the 900.

Acceleration depends not just on engine power, but also on how much of that power you can actually put on the ground while keeping the front wheel on the ground. The MT09 is a wheelie happy machine, which makes it a ton of fun, but it also hurts its 0-60 acceleration. If you added more power while keeping everything else the same, it'd make little difference for the 0-60 acceleration. A bike with the same power/weight ratio, but one that is less eager to wheelie, will accelerate faster from a stop because you can use more throttle.

@paulhope3401

Жыл бұрын

Yep and strapped to the dyno won't show that nature of the MT09.

Got them both. Not sure how you got there. None of that means anything as I really believe it comes down to the riders on the pavement in the end. MT09 did crazy SmackDown my Sportster S in short order. Harley had nothing for it on the takeoff line. Had to tell everyone about how it caught up while they laughed. Chalked it up to too heavy. As a matter of fact the MT09 even gives my Gen1 VMAX a strong run for its money-though the Pitbull Max prevailed. Anyway, great content. Keep it coming.

the only thing the chart from the dyno doesn't show (or i missed) is how fast the bikes reach their max rpm. if both bikes take the same amount of time to reach max rpm the charts would be very similar. The Harley is 85 lbs heavier but has 24 more torque than the mt09 too, so how much would that affect acceleration?

I am very ignorant here, but are dyno tests usually done in the highest gear? Thanks for doing this and posting these numbers!

BLOCKHEAD are you guys going to modify a sportster s to be more like the mt in how it sits?

Can you do a Rain/Road/Sport pull comparison on the S? I'd like to see how much the power is dialed in in each mode, not just for the peak, but the powerband.

@BlockheadMoto

2 жыл бұрын

For sure!

@djf7380

2 жыл бұрын

@@BlockheadMoto Curious to see a Mode 4 pull on the MT09 as well. Supposedly that's the only mode that reduces the power.

@stevem4783

2 жыл бұрын

@@BlockheadMoto my man

How would the new Nightster compare?

I would like to see a comparison with the V-Rod 1250 and the new Sportster s , both Dyno and on street drag race.

Would love a MV Agusta Brutale 800 RC or RR on your dyno .... maybe a leader board to show all the results like they had on top gear back in the day

Block and crew,I know you all are busy but would love to see the sportster s buil move forward.

LOL!!! I question your integrity sir!! Tegrity!!!!People are crazy. You guy are doing great. Look at the comment alittle less as you get more popular.

We need to see the sportster with intake, exhaust and flashed ecu. Imagine how fun that would be on such a short bike.

I'm not a harley guy but when I saw that sportster s I wanted it but sadly it was out of my price range so I got an MT09 and I love it dont regret it!

You should do the MT10 as well to see how it compares.

I bought a sportster s and now having trouble finding different exhaust

In 1979 I had Yamaha XS 1100 Special with the most amazing color from the factory. Well 2nd gear broke again so I picked up a 1000 XLCH Harley Sportster. I was beating all my friends with 750 Yamahas and many others. It wouldn't beat any four cylinder 900 or 1000.

Would be pretty cool to see u guys do a stage 4 on the Sportster S, since it hasn’t been done on KZread as of yet…

Do it on a tuned unlocked fz09/mt09 See which one tops out higher!

Where would the super duke fit between these bikes?

Nice job and insightful, own neither bike.

It's more about the RPM limit that the displacement than air cooled or water cooled,but you get into high RPM you need the water cooled.but really there all air cooled the air is what cools the water.

The Harley Sportster S I'd the first Harley I seriously think about buying. I will test ride it in the next couple of weeks

Would love to see mt-09 versus mt-07 Dyno vid. Same with Mt09 vs Mt10 video.

If you want more power buy an mt-10 flash the ecu full mods make almost 170hp and 80ish tq

@trigger8152

2 жыл бұрын

The issue also is the MT9 is a smaller engine and costs like 6k less. The sportster S better win at that price. Yamaha still gives the better value for your money especially if you get an MT10 like me. Cheaper bike makes more pwr. And you are right with a tune my 10 is very aggressive to other bikes 😂

@TheAsheybabe89

2 жыл бұрын

Who hit those numbers? I've not seen one that high yet.

You need an I Want To Believe poster in the background

Update on Sportster S build?

I'd love to see a comparison of the MT-09 and the FTR1200

I like the power that the Harley makes, but I just don't care for the bike. I really wish they would have come out with the Bronx. Between these two I would choose the MT-09 even though the power is less. Biggest problem now is my local Harley dealers are adding 1,000-2,000 to the price of bikes now. They might rip off somebody, but it isn't going to be me.

DUDE! I'd LOVE to see a MT-07 vs MT-09 vs MT-10. Just to see how my 07 stacks up.

Are you able to tune the sportster s? Would love to see that together with the 2 brothers exhaust and see what you can get out of it

@BlockheadMoto

2 жыл бұрын

Yup, we'll be tuning up the Sportster S in a future episode. Before that though, we'd like to see how it stacks up against a few other bikes in stock form, but we'll be doing a full build on it!

I traded my softail deuce for the sporter s and I gotta tell you going from a 96ci to that 1250 s there is definitely a lot more noticeable power ! I love my sporter s

Accent at beginning 🤤🤣🤧

I love how you and Chris pull out them hatters! Ride safe✌️

My feelings aren’t hurt they are ELATED that the Sportster S came out in top! I have to say my 3 favorite naked bikes are the Ducati XDiavel, the MV Augusta Brutale, and KTM 1290 Super Duke. If you can tune the sportster S to compete with those bikes you can show us what Harley can achieve :))))

@bharsen

2 жыл бұрын

All its going to take is a tune and bolt ons to keep up with the diavel from a stop. I ran 10.93@119mph on my stock sportster s and it looks like the diavel is a mid 10 second bike. Granted that 90 degree L twin is going to always have more top end but it won't take much on the sportster to break even with a diavel in acceleration. I love all bikes so don't think I'm a Harley hard-core fan. I love any power cruiser including the Vmax, Diavel and Rocket III.

I still want the MT-09 but feel like I would be happy with a Nightster. I think I will have to pray for you if you manage to get around a 56-inch wheelbase on the Sportster S build. We can't call the Sportster S a rice rocket, so what do we call it?

@TheAsheybabe89

2 жыл бұрын

A muscle cafe lol? Idk. I see it as a weird cross between a cafe racer and a physically small muscle cruiser. Definitely isn't a sport bike like Harley calls it with those brakes, suspension, and poor ground clearance.

@reallyoldfart6540

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheAsheybabe89 More like a dragster, if the wheelbase was shorter that lift mitigation would be working overtime. MT-09 wins the race, if there are curves.

I own a 2016 night rod and prior to that had a ktm 790 duke ( which is friggen amazing) but previously had a ride on BMW s1000r ,low rider 117 with exhaust and tune then rode the sportster s..........the sportster s is AMAZING!! Was the most fast and aggressive lill bike off the mark. RIDE ALL BIKES EVERY BIKE IS FUN IN ITS OWN WAY.

I was surprised in the VS video when the Sportster S had the MT09’s #

@BlockheadMoto

2 жыл бұрын

So were we! Honestly did not expect that out of the Sportster S!

@dkelli6020

2 жыл бұрын

The Sportster S has me wanting to add more power to my Street Bob lol

I love the new Sportster S, wish this was arrpund 20 years ago! It looks like a freaking STREET FIGHTER!

The bike you guys are looking for is the SuperDuke 1290r.. Best of both worlds... The bike is absolutely nuts... 🤘🤘

I'll take the MTO9 all day!!

@BlockheadMoto

2 жыл бұрын

Great bike!

You also have to remember the world super bike championships had 1000cc Twins (RC51/RSV/996) competing against 750cc in-line bikes because of the advantages they had. I don’t think it’s a terribly far off comparison on just the engines but the Harley is a way bigger bike and not nearly as agile as the MT. Just completely different classes of bikes. I’d like to see the SportyS against the FTR or Scout.

i wish you wuold have also dyno the mt09 in mode 4 because yamaha say that mode 4 do cut power buut not by how much

power to weight mt09 should still have it. wierd. haha good vid 👌

I’ve been riding a Triumph speed triple for the last 10 years , never thought I’d ever buy something else , except another Speed Triple I rode a Sportster S And bought it It’s every bit as fast as my S3 It pulls so freakin hard !! Never thought I’d buy a Harley It’s a Great Bike !!!!

Wouldn't a Ducati naked bike be a better comparison? Like a 1200ish street fighter? That's a comparo I'd love to see.

would like to suggest the name the MeatPacker(R) For the Sportster S build - The Meat Packing district is neighborhood in NYC, like the Bronx but a different name. I have owned an 883 for 20 years and now also SX1000. other machines along the way. My wife an I graduated college in NYC... so Meatpacker(TM) is affectionate not pejorative to both the area and the Sportster.

Sill, it doesn't make much sense to compare these bikes. 15K5 vs 9K5 price ranges (11K for the SP that does not change power). You should compare the S against a MT-10, CB1000R or even a Z H2. That would make much more sense because of the price range.

@stevem4783

2 жыл бұрын

But it makes less sense because of what they are. You can get the price ranges closer but then you're moving more into hyper nakeds and supersports which you're putting up against a...power cruiser hybrid of sorts? I mean a Harley Softail Standard costs ballpark about the same as an MT-10, does that mean it makes sense to compare them? Basically the point is that we're all just having fun here, so there's no need to be overly critical of the comparison and just take the info for what it is.

@BlockheadMoto

2 жыл бұрын

Comparing a new liquid cooled engine against a liquid cooled engine manufacturer that’s been doing it for decades is what I was interested in. Or two cylinder vs 3 cylinder performance comparison makes sense to me. But what makes sense to one person, might not makes sense to another. So be it 🤷🏻‍♂️

@ErickNagy

2 жыл бұрын

@@stevem4783 still does not make sense. Hyper or not, it is a naked x hybrid cruiser and it's bang for the buck. If you are going to spend 16k and compare straight line performance and dyno numbers, than its better be worth every dollar you put on it. Then, it kind of makes sense comparing to the MT-10, which is still 3k cheaper. Bottom line is we are just having fun with a bit of reasoning. But, if brain is optional, then you are absolutely correct. lol

@ErickNagy

2 жыл бұрын

@@BlockheadMoto HD made liquid cooled before and it's not like rocket science. Volumetric displacement is more important than number of cylinders. So two large cylinders can yield more power. I consider both bikes recently. But, I understood they were not for the same purpose. I would buy the S for the overall style and cruiser ride, but not for the reasons I buy a MT-09. Which is for city driving, canyon carving, flexibility in an all around best ever cost vs benefits package. 🤷

@ErickNagy

2 жыл бұрын

@@BlockheadMoto let me give you an comparison example that ticks your criteria but, would also not make sense. A new zx14r msrp is pretty much the same as the S. It is water cooled, manufacturer with lots of experience on such "technology". However, it puts down almost 200hp to the wheels, and smokes the S in any performance comparison... Displacement is even closer a, a 1400cc vs a 1200cc. But, would that comparison interest you and your public? Cheers!

People just love to get butthurt block. At the end of the day everyone’s always gonna have a hair across there rear about something. You guys are doing really cool stuff all the time

Mt 10 and sportster s

@BlockheadMoto

2 жыл бұрын

Incoming! 🤘

Maybe put it up against an mt10 which still has a lower displacement and see how that goes, 🤔

The look on people's faces when a Harley pulls up, they try to show off and pull off, and you end up ahead of them in the blink of an eye. It's not the fastest thing on 2 wheels, but for a stock Harley to run as low as 10.9s in the 1/4 mile is insane. Handling? Well, it's still a cruiser, so it can only do so much, but it is better than most traditional cruisers, that's for sure.

All things being equal, there ain’t no substitute for cubic inches! The new Harley is an awesome bike.

Sportster S wins again!

Liquid cooled motors you can have tighter clearances, higher compression, and more horsepower without overheating the engine as temperature controlled. Heat is friction which causes west and horsepower loss/reliability

I don't question your integrity. I see other bike testers who have the two competing bikes in the SAME gear when they roll on. How it should be is that each bike should be in their own OPTIMAL GEAR AND AT THEIR OWN OPTIMAL RPM awaiting the signal to go! I assume this is how you conducted your rolling runs.

I'll be curious to see how your sportster s holds up to what you guys want to do with it. Mine has 3k miles on it and is unfortunately in the shop with a major engine failure.

@albertstabelli5869

2 жыл бұрын

That's a bummer! Hopefully you get it fixed and never have problems with it again.

@BlockheadMoto

2 жыл бұрын

Did they say what happened?

@anthonydellolio3835

2 жыл бұрын

@@BlockheadMoto Not yet, they just picked it up yesterday afternoon. Hopefully I’ll hear something soon.