Don’t hate the player, hate the game. Or something...

@alexpage7292

4 жыл бұрын

44Teeth Why don’t they have gears on electric bikes?

@FortyFourTeeth

4 жыл бұрын

Brammo experimented with gears a few years ago but it’s pointless. All the power is available at 1rpm

@alexpage7292

4 жыл бұрын

44Teeth Aha, it looked like fun

@steveman1982

4 жыл бұрын

@@alexpage7292 Low voltage systems do have some hears, proper high voltage ones do not need one.

@elliottgilhooly3010

4 жыл бұрын

44Teeth I’ve got 26,000 miles on my evolution c now. I totally agree with you about the weight issues with the EV motorbikes (in regards to handling). However, I disagree with you on the break pads. It takes a while to get used to the regeneration breaking, I’ve only had two sets of break pads in 26k. I also just had my battery efficiency tested and they are 4 years old, with still 100% efficiency. At the moment I think EVs suit commuters mostly. I save roughly £2k a year as apposed to most 600cc motorbikes.... So with those savings I can now buy a Ducati 899 for weekends ;-)

"Why would you not?, Oh! it's 28K" hehehe

@ookk91

4 жыл бұрын

For city electric motorcycle are awesome. I own 11kW electric bike, it's cheap to ride, quick and silent. What do you want more? :P

Loved the review, I had the pleasure of testing one out up and down the coast of Galveston, Texas. Had a massive smile on my face when you roll back that throttle but no matter how sweet the ride was that price tag is a deal breaker.

Awesome. Thanks for the glimpse, Fagan! I am a closet fan of electric bikes. Not because I believe they make trees smile, but because I am grinning ear to ear each time I ride one. All other opinions aside, my personal experience is very positive on these machines. I look forward to trying the Livewire. Thanks for the launch preview!😘😘

Great review Al, I gotta say I'm no fan of Harleys but this is likely the first one I'd ever consider... ...You know, if it didn't cost more than my car did.

"If you crash it, don't touch it" haha

Every time you get excited and say ‘Nige’, I want to be like ‘you’re welcome!’ 😂

Had a go on one at the NEC on the rolling road. I loved it

I’ve been riding for over forty years and reckon it’s been the golden era of motorbiking, thank fk I’ll miss out on the next era of soulless electric bikes .

@2nd3rd1st

4 жыл бұрын

Good riddance I say, we don't need you pretencious elitist lot in the community. Fact is, you put the soul and spirit into the bike by becoming part of it and driving it your way, without the rider the bike is a dead machine.

@James-gk8ip

3 жыл бұрын

just coming into the golden age right now

Great first person review. Very insightful. Well produced video. Seriously considering getting this bike. I probably will now. Cheers from Kentucky, USA

This is one of the first Harleys I would actually consider owning, but as Jason and so many others have mentioned, it's just too damn expensive. And that's not a result of exchange rates or anything; they start a hair under $30k USD as well, and that's a serious dealbreaker for many people. I like the looks of the Livewire a bit better, but I'd rather get a Zero SR/F which has more range and costs $6k less. I know Harley is a "premium" brand, but it's not 6 grand premium.

@robertp457

4 жыл бұрын

The SR/F costs $10k less.

Pretty sure we did those roads in the Hire Car Grand Prix after Alcarras. Used as part of the Spanish rally stages from memory. They’re mega!!

They used them on Long Way Up recently on all sorts of roads and conditions, think its the future.

It’s perhaps only me, but most exciting moment was when I heard the KTM super duke. I went to watch the MotoGP round in Austria last year and fell asleep during the electric bike “race”. Great video as usual, thanks, I’ll keep my superduke, diavel and 1299s panigale!

For $30k(28k euro) I could buy an MV agusta limited edition brutale, anything I want from Ducati, a limited edition Fireblade sp2 2020(it is coming out), anything from aprilia, anything from BMW. And have it made with better quality.

@chris6559

4 жыл бұрын

Which would be your prerogative and I'd see why you'd want to, not really like with like though is it, hats off to Harley for pushing the alternative even though I wouldn't buy one myself either.

@mooiboyace

4 жыл бұрын

You would've gotten your money back with the Harley because it is electric .. You'd have to ride it everyday for 20 years though lol

@I_am_Thursday

4 жыл бұрын

@Troy Hatfield You're not wrong. I bought a Fat Bob and have had 10 warranty issues. My Ducati...Nil.

@ChaseN194

4 жыл бұрын

@@mooiboyace gotten my money back how? I ride more than 200miles a day on average with my fireblade. Ive owned it for 3 rideable months as im now in a snowy winter where I live, and in those 3 months Ive put on well over 4900 miles and had ZERO issues. And when I want to ride more what do I do? I fill up in less than 5min and bam, im back on the road.

@michaelsteven1090

4 жыл бұрын

and the HD will STILL smoke you..

Great review Al. This really got me interested in taking one out for a test ride, it must be a weird feeling at first. Would I buy one, probably not, but that said, electric vehicles are the future like it or not.. It is kinda sad to, damn I'd miss the sound of dropping down two gears, opening up the throttle up to the red line, going up the gears and listening to that beautiful howl from the exhaust... The future sound seems to just be a quiet "humming" or "whining"....

That is pretty daring from HD... the company known so strongly for never changing.. to be the first to adopt e-bikes? The future truly is now!

@michalpach1179

3 жыл бұрын

it's called desperation ;)

Great video. I'm a Londoner living in Paris. I've owned loads of ICEs in both cities. I switched last year to the Zero FXE to be able to continue to park free! The FXE is an incredible urban commuter with everything in the sweet spot, and weighs just 135kg with 106nm of torque. It definitely smokes the Super Duke and almost anything out there up to 50km/h! For a while I've been considering the Livewires, and was eagerly awaiting the forthcoming Del Mar. I test rode the One last Saturday and got a chance to sit on the Del Mar but unfortunately it wasn't available for testing. I prefer the look of the One and found it incredibly stable in all situations and despite its weight and size, felt fine for filtering in dense traffic. The price is now 25k euros, which is still the same as a GS or other top-end ICEs but I reckon that it's a keeper and would satisfy my commuting and fun needs.

28 Grand for an electric Harley is silly money when you can get a Zero for half that with a bigger range and more power and (arguably) better looks. Sub 100 mile range is also poor. I have no doubt it is fun to ride and I DO congratulate HD for going there and having the nads to make the Livewire but at the end of the day it's too expensive and not as good as its competition.

@miken51bod

4 жыл бұрын

That could be said for any Harley Davidson really, All very over priced for what you get.

@motsew

4 жыл бұрын

Thing is though, it'll hold its value much better than a Zero. Harley ownership has a big entry fee but once you're in, you're safe. Look after the bike and it'll barely drop in value.

@Desmo904

4 жыл бұрын

I don't have 28G to drop on a bike. Not that I'd want to spend that much anyway.

@robertp457

4 жыл бұрын

The nads? It's classic Harley Davidson: build a different kind of motorcycle, make it worst than its competition and charge more money for it.

@rzu7120

4 жыл бұрын

Al904cc No Zero bike offers DC fast charging.

Well I guess the future has actually arrived... 44teeth doing electric bike reviews😁

Good honest riders review. Thank you!

If HD can do that, imagine what's to come...Bravo!

Al loves getting a mention of BMX in the videos. I'm all for it.

@Bumbaclot213

4 жыл бұрын

benmpearson1 DK sixpack

You immediately know it's a 44Teeth review as soon as you hear the words fart or ball sacks.

Brilliant, I can't wait to ride one

I really like the way it looks and the fit and finish seems really good. Might possibly be cheaper here than the UK as well.

@ryadhasanahmed5443

4 жыл бұрын

Nope it's nearly £30k that's an absolute rip-off would rather buy a brand new supersport for half of that

Reminds me of being pissed in the 90s and nicking milk off electric milk floats.

@giddyrightonup

4 жыл бұрын

TRISTANorTRIS often pissed in the morning? Or just through the whole of the 90’s? 😂

Did you just pass the police with a speed gun at 6:29 ? Looks like it.

no range, 30k price tag, no thanks.

@Fieskmask

4 жыл бұрын

38k in Sweden 😢

@PilotPhteven

3 жыл бұрын

agreed... I like it.. but the price + low range. (+ no idea how much it would cost to eventually replace the battery)... that's almost Tesla car money + some spare left to get a nice bike on the side..

Last test drove a Energica, a little bit more power and a little bit less expensive. Drove very nice with about the same view on electric riding as this Harley. But the sound and gear changes on the way back gave me a little bit more of a smile on my face. But for every day use, this will be awesome.

Plenty in the tank. That bike is simply lovely

Damn i would love to have a go on one of these, just damn that price! hopefully we can get them under 20k in the years to come.

@robertp457

4 жыл бұрын

Zero already figured it out years ago.

@dale-fi1fi

4 жыл бұрын

its expensive alright

@thorstambaugh1520

4 жыл бұрын

@@wudntulike2no32 You probably didnt ride one then

@TjCox1993

3 жыл бұрын

just got a huge discount near 21k now, time always does the trick!

Somehow love the look. The Harley to ride to the spaceship dock.

Looks cool. I rode the SR and loved it. Hoping to get my hands on the SR/F soon. BTW HD number plates from Offenbach, Germany 🇩🇪

Nice review Nige! I really hated the thing when it was 1st released. The general EV wave of the future AND that Harley had built it. After watching your video, I've really changed my outlook. Looks like it would be fun to ride. 👊😎 And a pat on the back to HD.

@Soulrollsdeep

4 жыл бұрын

Why wouldn't it be fun to ride? Why do absolute weapons like you have to slag shit like this when you've never sat on one, or anything like it? The perfect armchair pundit *slow claps*

Great video ride!!!

Still cant get past that RC car sound these electric bikes make, sounds really really chinsey.

Absolutely beautiful bike

Amazing road for a bike ride! Lucky boys. 🇨🇦

I want this to be successful for Harley. I'm glad they're trying something new and modern. If the price was lower I'd take one for a test ride. Thanks for the review.

Riding around the Great Dividing Range in Queensland, I'd love an electric motorbike - if there were more charging options here. I have enjoyed a loud bike in the past, but the idea of a weekend ride in near silence through forest and mountains (without having to peddle) is so appealing.

Where do you keep the charging wire when you ride?

Very good video! Can't wait to have an electric bike when the price becomes competitive!

awesome, but how'd they get it to leak?

I guess what Fagan says is our inevitable fate, "...the time is going to come sooner or later..." Also Fagan, "...oh you can't beat the sound of a Super Duke, can you..."

The why wouldn't you is the 90 mile range then find a place to charge and wait around for it to charge.the battery is still the problem,and when it goes bad how much to replace it?

The Streets homage was glorious!!!

Where do u charge these in the states I live in Pennsylvania only charging stations I have seen are the tesla stations unless I'm incorrect

If you are in Spain and there is no rain, ride mostly toward the plains?

While there are some things very appealing about electric bikes such as the instantaneous torque availability, there's other things ingrained in my motorcycle experience that I don't want to give up. Dropping a gear and sliding the back end into a corner, power wheelies in 3rd as a standard of measurement for how fun a bike is, the visceral sound of increasing speed, the modification of air and fuel ratios to squeeze out more power... There's a lot missing from the electric motorcycle experience, I look forward to the advances in technology and engineering, hopefully one day it'll be enough to make me a convert. Great review as always AL, cheers.

An amazing design and craftsmanship no doubt. But the feeling in my gut tells me, there is something missing about electric bikes:) Btw keep these videos coming, cheers :)

Best vocab of any reviewer.

Harley adds 10k for the name.

@Eidrian111

3 жыл бұрын

So?

@DenvarShay

3 жыл бұрын

​@@Eidrian111 So save money and buy a different brand...which is what people have been doing. That's why Harley is doing poorly at this time.

@Eidrian111

3 жыл бұрын

@@DenvarShay if someone is stupid enough to buy an overpriced Harley it’s their own stupidity. That’s what I meant.

@nspinicelli

3 жыл бұрын

YUP! And that's why they're failing as a brand :)

@Decrepit_biker

3 жыл бұрын

@@Eidrian111 so you're getting ripped off just for a name...

I know the price is crazy but you have to give H-D some kudos for coming up with something really different from an H-D perspective. They have to reinvent themselves to some degree to survive. First time we have seen anything different from them in many years other than engine and suspension changes on standard models.

Full charge in about an hour is great...although with all of the development going into battery tech, two years from now, the market will be much different. I wonder if there will ever be a secondary energy storage bank (possibly out of a different chemistry like super caps with a high discharge/charge rate) that will charge on regen, then can be used at wot?

If they can get that charge time down to like 15mins for 100miles highway that'd be Perfect. It'll help with the regen, maybe have a variable regen for a left lever to replace the clutch.

Man this thing is rad. Hope this ignites a tech war with other manufacturers. Wish I could afford it.

Are these roads right out of Barcelona Nygel?

2:43, you should be fine as long as you stay mainly out of the plains. From what I hear that's where the rain stays.

I can't wait for its release in australia

I want one so bad I don't gaf about the price tag. I'll buy one now, put it in a garage for 25 years, and it'll be worth 50 times as much as one of the OG EVs.

Would love to ride one. Pricing will be up to par in 5 to 10 years, I don’t think it will completely eliminate the ICE motorcycle but just be another choice

Small correction. DC fast and level 2 are different. Level 2 is 240 volt ac. Also check out energica, they pioneered the tech in that harley.

@robertp457

4 жыл бұрын

The Livewire charges at the same rate at level 2 chargers as it does on level 1 chargers according to Harley's own website.

@SirCptAwesome

4 жыл бұрын

@@robertp457 you're not wrong...

Great vid and review, personally I think Harley have done a pretty good job. Unfortunately I’m in love with the internal combustion engine and I will still be when it’s out performed by EV’s. Plus EV’s really need to come up with a battery tech other Lithium as they take way more resources to manufacture than ICE

I really like it. Most of my riding is under 80 mile round trips so range would be around perfect for 80% of the time. Love the looks. If I had a shed load of cash (which I definitely don't) I'd buy one. I'm very keen to see what the Japanese and European will do with e-bikes though. Hope they go all out fun and not glorified scooters!

A great watch and an enjoyable overview of the bike. It really is quite an exciting thing, I used to think electric bikes were nonsens but I totally get it. The question is, what price point would Harley realistically should have hit to make it a realistic choice for people? 20k, 15k?

Does look pretty good and braking aside seems to ride well. Didn't realise Harley were working on this and it's a pretty interesting brand direction for them to have taken considering what's gone before. Must have taken a huge amount of investment, but I guess it's potentially going to bring in a lot of non-typical Harley customers.

Like the look of it. Makes me think HD should get into the naked game!

I wish Harley would offer a kit to give all their models a normal left hand control indicator switch, nearly bought a 2018 Fat Bob but the indicators honestly did my head in that much I didn’t! You can’t just push the lever down to make sure you’ve cancelled them like on every other bike, you actually have to look down because there’s no specific cancel button! I know they’re ‘self cancelling’ but it didn’t work 100% of them time.

You can really see how that thing jumps forward

DK six pack! Yes mate, jealous if youve managed to keep one of them.

Loving the SLB reference nige

You guys should try the Energica Ego/Eva bikes.. perhaps a bit boutique (so that could mean crap), but I hear good things about them, yet don't see them tested a whole lot.

I bet the Harley crowd is loving this bike :p

@JohannesDalen

4 жыл бұрын

I am, I absolutely am!

@trigger8152

4 жыл бұрын

No. It doesn't have tech from the 1950s on it.

I need this bike!

I love this bike I took one out for a GoPro video was amazing I could stop LOL it was like being a kid again.

Maybe you guys will take a look at the Bronx once Harley gets them ready for press release

I'd kill to live in that weather. Currently -41c here, snow will be here til May at the earliest.

@fattymcgee123

4 жыл бұрын

@Sam Yaza yeah, when it was that cold here, as a low, the high on Mars was -25c. Our high that day was -29. Still, colder north of us, -48. But to answer your question, Calgary.

I would love to have one to just buzz around town and short trips around here would be perfect. Saying that no way I could afford one but Harleys have always been more expensive. I mean there are electric bikes, not motorcycles bikes, that cost as much as my FJ1100 new now. Still to move along only hearing the wind for some of us is a nice dream.

There goes the loud pipes save lives motto Harley guys love

As you say you open the throttle and puts a smile on your face! We call that #torquegrin

absolutely loved riding the LiveWire. I love riding Zeros as well, but the LiveWire did just feel "better". Not sure if it's worth the extra. Waiting to see what other e-bikes HD releases.

What is point? What is point? Travel 100 miles. Find a charge point. if you can find a fast charge point. Wait an HOUR! Travel another 100 miles, etc. Petrol bike (a 1/3 of the price btw) Travel 150 miles. Find a petrol station, fill tank, in and out in 5 minutes. Travel another 150 miles, etc

Best sounding Harley yet 😉

If that suspension wasn't there, you would be on the moon 😂

Im looking forward to see how reliable these things are with real everyday use, if they actually manage to sell 1, that would be a surprise in itself to be fair haha.

@jeepstertj556

4 жыл бұрын

The long way up, they just rode some live qores from from south America to the USA

Great start by Harley intrigued how they develop the bike over the next 5 years or so. Think they day any E Bike can do the 250 - 300 mile range mark I'd be straight to a dealer for a bike.

@robertp457

4 жыл бұрын

Remember how much Harley Davidson has developed the Sportster or the V-Rod? The 2020 Livewire has the same powertrain as it had in 2014, the only thing they did was add connectivity.

@H4RRYxj

4 жыл бұрын

@@robertp457 and with that hope slashed lol. My thoughts behind this potentially being different to other models is, as its tech based and tech evolves quickly (i.e battery capacitys) if they dont improve the models as time goes on they will waste huge amounts invested on a new platform. Can only hope.

what's the warranty on the batteries?

"You've got to wind your neck in on the brakes." - Good advice. Thanks!

Guy with the black Bell helmet was certainly on it 😀At £28k I think it will struggle to find buyers

Can't wait for electric sports bikes

@BrianFrichette

4 жыл бұрын

I assume you mean affordable as well. Lightning has had one for awhile, but it makes this thing look like a bargain.

You had me at 28k... where do I sign up, oh wait I can get 2 super bikes for that price... never mind. Cheers Al

What's this "mile" of which you speak? For a good motor sound, try putting a piece of cardboard in the spokes. It's guaranteed to turn heads.

Are you wearing held titan gloves nigel?

I've experienced a few 2 wheeled EVs and TBH they're all fun, even the Segway balance & kick scooters for rent from Lime/ Jump/ Flamingo etc in certain countries. That said, electric bikes need a new trick that petrol bikes don't have - they need to be able to boost their regen braking power at will. They need to be able to rotate the throttle forward into the negative or past zero throttle position to give proportionally more regenerative braking. This would give the dual benefits of more regeneration and, negating the need for actual light to moderate braking, in order to reduce pad wear. The logic behind this is very evident if you spend any time on Segway ES kick scooters. They have a right thumb button throttle and a left thumb button for braking, it's only regenerative, no mechanical braking on the handle bars at all. There is also regenerative braking while freewheeling which is adjustable via the Segway app, but my point is that there's also a manual regen braking control. E-Bikes need this, it'll dramatically increase their brake pad life, probably to beyond that of petrol bikes - another selling point right... Incidentally the Segway ES range do have a mechanical brake, it's the same as unpowered kick scoots, you step on the hinged rear mudguard which presses down on the tyre, but you only need that on a super steep downhill or in dire emergencies for quick direction changes. Personally I can't wait to get myself an E-Bike, I'll still have my Triumph Speed Triple R, Aprilia Dorsoduro 1200, 100cc 2Stroke Yamaha BWS race Scooter, and my mountainbikes. Electric is just the new sibling in an ever growing fun family 👌🏽🇿🇦

I have one. Everything he said is true. To me, it’s worth the price for the uniqueness and exclusivity. They don’t build many and it’s not for everybody.

Just came over from watching Ricky Martins review of his Indian Scout Bobber, with a Freedom Performance 2 into 1 Combat Exhaust. It sounds fantastic. And this is at least 50% of what motorbikes are all about - the sound. Some may say that % is even higher, and I wouldn't argue. So how on earth can any serious biker be drawn to a bike that sounds like a milk float? I seriously doubt electric bikes will attract old school bikers like me. They may attract the kids of tomorrow who've never ridden a twin, triple, or 4 cylinder bike before. Electric bikes? Not for me.

My job just won’t allow for the future at $44,000! here in Australia 😂 love yer channel. Cheers

Suena riquisimo esta Harley 😍

this is what the science has reached, I really like it but I will be keeping my bike for the next 5 years see you then.