Flying into Oklahoma City one year we bounced twice on landing. The gentleman seated next to me was an FAA pilot as indicated on the photo badge he was wearing. Since I was in aviation maintenance for 34 years we talked quite a bit on our fight from Chicago to OKC. We were seated in the last row and were the last passengers to leave the aircraft. Apparently the FO did the landing as he was saying good bye to everyone and thanking us for flying with the airline. I can only think the Captain made him stand outside the flight deck door. I'll never forget the FAA pilot thanking him for the two landings.

@murphychurch8251

Жыл бұрын

Ooof! 🙈😂

@jjbankert

Жыл бұрын

Haha, rekt

@charlotteruse158

Жыл бұрын

Lol

@RipRoaringGarage

Жыл бұрын

OKC is rough due to the windsheer. I have a story too (I was also an aircraft technician, on E3s). Im taking off from Will Robinson, and I see a floating spoiler on the CRJ. I get the sole flight attendants attention, to tell the PCs attention. Second time, she does finally go up to the flight deck but....Nothing. Pushback starts, so I call a buddy that worked for the FAA at OKC. I told him, we have a grounding writeup, and Im on the plane, and tell them to turn that sumbich back to the gate lol. Not even 3 minutes later, were taxing back in, and Im watching them replace the broken bonding cable that tangled around the speed brake hinge. Such a foolish thing to decide to go ahead with a flight in that situation, and out of an airport with nasty winds during May.

@mikeaudio

Жыл бұрын

@@RipRoaringGarageIt sounds like they would have proceeded as usual had you not intervened. In your experience, why would they continue with a flight with an aircraft in this scenario…….especially when you’re there on the ground?

Kelsey, today is the 55th anniversary of the crash of TWA Flight 128 just short of CVG. My dad was the flight engineer. He did not survive. I was 15 months old. In part due to his crash the GPWS was developed, so a big thank you to him for his sacrifice so that we may all fly more safely today. Love your channel, keep up the great work

@caseydykes8626

Жыл бұрын

I am incredibly sorry this happened, and you lost your father in that accident. I will say I am incredibly grateful this industry identifies issues and addresses them in the wake of tragedies. Lives are not lost in vain- and whilst this doesn't make it right or any less painful and tragic, their lives are shown respect by rectifying the issues that caused the crash in the first place. GPWS saves lives every single day. Your family has a big hand in the creating of the safety standards we see this day. I'm so sorry for your loss xx

@abaddon2148

Жыл бұрын

i am very sorry for your loss. as they say the laws of aviation are soaked with blood. aviation nowadays is not the safest transportation method in the world for nothing, it's shaped by every single tragedy that came before, and will continue to be shaped year by year by the fewer and fewer aviation incidents/accidents/etc that occur. the last thing your dad did, as well as everyone else on that plane, was die in vain.♥️

@daveluttinen2547

Жыл бұрын

Condolences to you and your family on this auspicious day.

@Swordmaster757

Жыл бұрын

My prayers and condolences to you and your family.

@birdielein9636

Жыл бұрын

I'm so sorry for your loss!

Ah...the 'Power Slide' landing. It gives the term 'coming in hot' a whole different meaning. Kelsey...have you tried contacting the Thunderbirds? 😁 Have a great week everyone!

@alexglanowski695

Жыл бұрын

I was just going to suggest the Thunderbirds 😁

@trividvenkatesh6188

Жыл бұрын

Ryanair landing

@trividvenkatesh6188

Жыл бұрын

Ryanair landing

@danielwirth8388

Жыл бұрын

Lol. That made my day great comment.

@hsbvt

Жыл бұрын

@@GhostWatcher2024 YES!!

Thank you for flying Ryanair

@huntergant6518

Жыл бұрын

Lmfao

@C.Fecteau-AU-MJ13

Жыл бұрын

Captain Hornfeldt of mentour pilot is a Ryanair trainer.

@rmbgtango7563

Жыл бұрын

At spirit you have to pay extra to have a landing gear

@MadDragon75

Жыл бұрын

..Please keep your barf bags with you and don't hand them to your flight attendant as you exit the aircraft.

@ralucaspataru7618

Жыл бұрын

I flew Ryanair and I had good memories of them landing

The second approach - I've seen in another video. They're flying into Mogadishu which has some specific requirements to avoid being shot at.

@domesticterrorist483

Жыл бұрын

That s hole has an airport?? Thats a surprise.

@jungbolosse3034

Жыл бұрын

Correct.

@jongales7698

Жыл бұрын

Was about to comment the same thing, but couldn’t remember the place they were flying into. I think it was on Sam Chiu’s channel. I would take a hard landing instead of being shot at any day… props to the pilots that fly in those situations to bring vital supplies to the less glamorous parts of the world.

Speaking of landing gear collapses, I would love to see you cover the incident that just happened yesterday. Apparently an A320-200NEO collided with a fire truck that was crossing the runway. Unfortunately, two firefighters died, and a third suffered critical head injuries. The Airliner suffered severe damage but thankfully no one died on the aircraft. Although it's way too early to determine cause, there is a lot of footage of the accident actually occurring, and could be a good opportunity to talk about runway incursions - especially since many people think the pilots should have been able to see the massive fire trucks, despite the fact that we're talking huge distances and high speeds.

@harridan.

Жыл бұрын

wow.

@numberfive3321

Жыл бұрын

Wow!! Do you remember what airport this was at possibly?

@romainsavioz5466

Жыл бұрын

@@numberfive3321 lima

@Plqnes

Жыл бұрын

Yes! I hope he covers this

@bmxrichard21

Жыл бұрын

Agree. Video on this incident would be nice. But I can't help myself. I can see only one man in fault - driver of fire truck. (but other mistakes could have been in several places)

Flying into Las Palmas Gran Canaria, this low altitude approach is normal because of the rotors coming off the mountain. This was his second or third attempt after a couple of go arounds.

@2cats4tea79

Жыл бұрын

Is that why two people were also filming with their cameras? A lot going on on that flight deck

@wstubbs8556

Жыл бұрын

@@2cats4tea79 Yes, I was on that flight.

@wstubbs8556

Жыл бұрын

Damn, I can't upload images. I wanted to show you foreflight of that landing.

Heylo :) As a fellow First Officer I appreciate you talk about making harder landings. I mean you know how it is. Its about pride at the end of a flight to nail the landing and it can stick to you for a few days if it sucked :D so it takes tension away when you say how it is: After the hard landing is befor the next hard landing. Thats how it is :) Grüße

@MisterIvyMike

Жыл бұрын

I'm only a private pilot, but yeah I know what you mean... 😆 Ebenfalls Grüße...

@baseballmomof8

Жыл бұрын

Love watching and reading comments from FO’s. One of my kids is an FO and he loves to text mama about his great landings… I don’t hear about those “other” landings 😂😂

@anonymousxish

Жыл бұрын

@@baseballmomof8 Does not matter, no matter how bad your bird is injured.Cause no harm,don't kill anybody, no paramedics. Rules.Aviate navigate, get it on the ground. I think i just divorced the OTHER landings! lmao.Wish the best for your son.

@baseballmomof8

Жыл бұрын

@@anonymousxish thanks Dan… he absolutely loves it. Has six brothers, two are scared to death of flying… funny how sibs can be so different 😊

@mandowarrior123

Жыл бұрын

@@baseballmomof8 I imagine he's afraid of crashing!

At UPS we print out a landing report. A hard landing on the MD-11 is 1.7g. A really smooth landing is 1.2 or less. I've seen 1.09g and you barely feel it. Like others said, we are always feeling 1g just sitting here.

@wayne_kurr

Жыл бұрын

I think he means 1G in excess of the regular 1G we are exposed to at rest. Otherwise a 0.5G landing wouldn’t really be possible.

@embeddd

6 ай бұрын

​@wayne_kurr it could if you do a almost negative g

@jameswest8280

2 ай бұрын

@@wayne_kurr a blimp would have a 0.5G landing.

@wayne_kurr

2 ай бұрын

@@jameswest8280 only if by landing you mean it’s running into an object above it thus giving it a negative G effect. At rest we are at 1G. Any landing is 1G+.

@jameswest8280

2 ай бұрын

@@wayne_kurr it was a joke.

06:36 I love the reaction of the First Officer (or the Captain if the image is reversed).

The first incident was more of a crash landing than a hard landing, as they were in a steep dive that they were apparently unable to pull out of in time before impacting the runway. This was different than a typical hard landing, which is when the approach is stable, but they just flare too late or not at all, or flare too soon and stall it. According to the final report, ILS was not available at the time of the incident, requiring a VFR (visual flight rule) approach. VASI lights were also not available. They had descended to 1,000 feet which was the minimums for a visual approach, and so the FO called for a missed approach. However the captain decided to continue with the approach because the plane in front of them had just landed successfully. They descended to 400 feet, the runway was still not in sight, but they spotted a known landmark on the ground so the captain continued in level flight at 400 feet above the ground. Eventually the runway came into view, but they were too high. Instead of doing a go-around the captain intiated a steep descent from 400 feet at 3,200 feet per minute, with the nose pitched down 11 degrees. Normal approach descent rate is 700-800 feet per minute. The plane was also banking to the right at this time up to 28 degrees. During this rapid dive to the runway the FO reported to the tower that the runway was in sight, but they impacted the runway before the tower was able to issue landing clearance. At the time of impact with the runway the 737 was still descending at 2,300 feet per minute with the nose pitched up 7 degrees, while in a 5 degree bank to the left. The left main gear impacted the runway first and collapsed, eventually breaking off. The right main gear then collapsed. The plane continued down the runway supported by the nose wheel and the engines. When it came to rest the plane was partially off the runway to the right in the grass. This is why a stabilized approach is so important, because aggressive maneuvers in the last moments before landing are hard to judge.

As an Indonesian, I can see why the ground handler did that lol. When I was a kid, there was a small fire burning my roof and people from the streets could see that (me and my parents were inside but we didn’t feel or see anything). So, suddenly these people (strangers and neighbors) stood in front of my house and asked my parents to allow them to climb to my roof to put down the fire. Those kind strangers did put down the fire and save my house… while wearing t-shirts, shorts, barefoot, and not even a mask 😂

@mikoto7693

Жыл бұрын

To be fair, I’m a ground handler and after a quick call to the control centre, I’d run towards the aircraft too.

Holy cow! I just found this. I love this channel. My dad was a WWII dive bomber pilot and had a single then twin engine plane back in the day. He used to take us to airports to watch the planes come in, I have loved aviation ever since. I am too much of a weenie to ever try to fly myself, but this is really a fun channel. Thanks.

@terencejeffries5359

Жыл бұрын

he must have had a wooden wonder. my dad reconditioned the mustang engines in rnzaf auckland. and mom a rnzn. both same age 1921.and birthday.

@suss6385

Жыл бұрын

@@terencejeffries5359 Grumman F8F Bearcat

I work with a lot of fighter pilots and I know one guy who, through little fault of his own, ended up shearing his main landing gear right off. They didn’t fully realize what had happened until he went to go put his nose down and realized that his nose gear was already down and they were sliding down the runway on their burner cans. Everyone was fine, and they immediately went to the bar at the Mess after being cleared by the docs, and apparently stayed there for several hours.

@edwardwright8127

Жыл бұрын

We once had an aircraft blow a nose-wheel tire on touchdown. A piece of shrapnel cut the hydraulic line, causing the oleo stunt to collapse all the way down. Another piece of shrapnel penetrated the fuselage and cut the main hydraulic line as well, although we did not discover that until later. Somehow, the pilot managed to keep the plane on the runway and bring it to a stop without deploying the drag chute. After he found out I wasn’t going to fire him, I asked the pilot why he hadn’t used the drag. He told me that after helping a mechanic pack the drag chute and seeing how much work it was, he did not to have to do that again.

@anonymousxish

Жыл бұрын

We are not allowed to make mistakes.

@kaasmeester5903

Жыл бұрын

The bar. Where all issues get resolved amicably :)

@Delibro

Жыл бұрын

That's the reason why an airline pilot MUST go around if he don't clearly see the runway at a specified altitude, this is an official rule every airline pilot must comply. And this video (but also minor incidents that can happen) prove why.

Years ago when I was a student pilot, I saw a program about the Blue Angles, and they talked about how good the pilots were. Then they showed one bounce about 3 times landing. I felt a lot better about my landings.

I was stationed at the now closed Selfridge AF Base in Michigan (1971) after Vietnam (2/502 Inf 101st Airborne) with 5th Army. Our office overlooked one of the base's run ways. The "Weekend Warriors" would sometimes do a "touch and go" practice on it. My civilian DOD Boss who had been a Korean War fighter pilot ... at that moment we watched a fighter come in TOO HARD and collapse the landing gear and then started to roll down the runway while bursting into flames. Sadly ... the pilot was killed in this massive fuel fire. For the first time, this square jawed, ex-Marine retired Col flight commander actually have tears in his eyes.... he turned and walked away. Later he told me how he was hit with gun fire and landed wounded during that war. Being an ex-combat solder I did understand. ... thanks mate, a unique post. ... I guess flying isn't all just fun and games!

@airbrushken5339

Жыл бұрын

Mate I love your explanations of the "how and why". While in Michigan my father would take me up in his little Piper Cub ... 8th grade education and his father died when he was 3, and his Mom when he was 13. In those days they split up the kids and my Dad ended on a farm doing labor ... he enlisted to get out of that life for WWII ... he loved it and to be honest so did I. Keep up the fine post ... be safe. A side note ... he would always say; "Son, you can wait until we land"... ex-101st Airborne trooper. I'm not computer savvy, the gift offer is nice, but not necessary ...

Hi, Kelsey~ I'm not a pilot or a flyer but I AM a nervous potential flyer with enough mechanical aptitude to comprehend most of your explanations. I've been watching your videos for a while now and just realized that I've moved up from "nervous nellie" to "interested nooblet" and that's a happy thing. I've also noticed that in the crazy world we have that watching your videos and the great EXPRESSIONS you have to go with them are actually CALMING!! I turn from the political and hectic stuff and settle down for a session with 74 Gear and chill. Thank you and Keep the Blue Side Up ✈

@tabby7189

Ай бұрын

If you want to reduce anxiety further, watch Mentour Pilot. He likes to emphasize how many safety barriers need to break before an incident occurs

Ryanair : Finally, a worthy opponent. Our battle will be legendary!

@jameswest8280

2 ай бұрын

You know something's up when they make you sign a waiver.

As far as I know gears are made to break properly and during breaking they absorb additional energy from the plane. Such breaking process protects the plane as a whole and fuel tanks in particular during crash landing. This example shows this protection at its best.

@mikoto7693

Жыл бұрын

I was wondering about that as the break looked pretty clean.

Love the work you put into these videos, Thank you

Kelsey, thanks for making these videos! I fly a lot for business and leisure and I’m considering doing a discovery flight first before deciding on lessons. Your videos helped me unlock more of my passion for aviation! ❤

Not sure you'll see this but I love this channel. I'm not a pilot but I love to fly. I've learned so much from these videos and shared it with my family because it makes us feel even safer to know these things. We appreciate you!

You probably won't see this, but I have to let this go from off my chest. In my country (Croatia) we have but a single Aeronautical Technical school where you can apply after elementary. The process is difficult and there are a lot of kids who wanna go, and I happened to be one of the few who managed to get in with good grades and all, I was so damn happy, like happiest day of my life. Unfortunately a year later I had a family situation where we had to move to different city, and I was forced to switch schools despite being among the top of the class. Anyhow, my heart was broken, and to this day it aches when I think about it, even though am 31 now with a different career. But yeah, I've watched every video on youtube, and it hit me this summer, I decided to basically get three jobs at the same time just to get enough money for the pilot course. I might never become commercial pilot like I wanted, but even small aircraft will do. So am just saying, thank you for your videos and reigniting my love for flying, it will take me a long time to gather the money I need but I am really determined to see this happen, despite not having a single day off for months. Your videos make me get my ass up and hit another shift, because in the end there is this image of me getting into Cessna and getting some flying done. Keep your good work up and I am sure am not the only one getting inspiration from your videos.

@lisarehagen4201

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for sharing your story. I am on a similar path as well, so I know the feeling. Your post was very encouraging to me. I'm in my 40's so I'm just focusing on GA too (even if it takes multiple jobs to pay for it 😉).

@therav2278

Жыл бұрын

@@lisarehagen4201 it's encouraging to know there are more people giving a lot to chase their dreams, and I am sure there are even more of people going through the similar thing. I hope you endure the pain of extra jobs and get there soon enough!

@lisarehagen4201

Жыл бұрын

@@therav2278 Thank you the Rav! I wish the same thing for you.

@BenAshley1977

Жыл бұрын

@@lisarehagen4201 Same here! Took some lessons when I was in my teens, did a different career path. Now, at 45, I have 6 hours in GA and can't wait to get my license. It's an amazing venture at any age!

As an aviation maintenance engineer, pilots and their hard landings end up giving us the job of inspecting the landing gear afterwards. This? This is incredible lol

@whocares2277

Жыл бұрын

I think in this case you don't need to be an expert to know it was damaged.

@sacr3

Жыл бұрын

@@whocares2277 of course, any idiot with a brain can say "it broke". As for what broke and how much secondary damage was done, thats where you need experts.

@NicolaW72

Жыл бұрын

@@whocares2277 It was damaged beyond repair and written off after this landing according to the available sources - so unfortunately no maintenance work necessary any longer for this aircraft.

@himoffthequakeroatbox4320

Жыл бұрын

It says on the sheet I have to inspect it, but it's not my job to _find_ it first!

@mrvwbug4423

Жыл бұрын

I could just see the inspector with this one "Yup, the main gear is gone"

Love ya Kelsey, I look forward to your vids every week and that's nothing to be shy about. You do good work man, keep it up buddy!

I remember a landing at Birmingham airport (UK) on a winter's day in the late 90s when I was coming back from a skiing holiday. The cloud went from about 11,000ft nearly to the ground. And there'd been turbulence just to spice things up a bit. You could feel the tension rising, but the pilot always sounded so cool - which was reassuring! Anyway, we burst through the cloud and landed almost instantly - and hard. But, we were down and slowing. There was an audible "phew" and some people even clapped. Not pleasant, but well done to the pilots and crew!

@ilsavv

Жыл бұрын

Clapping on landing is disgusting. Some people take a flight as a show.

@jeepaholic326

Жыл бұрын

@@ilsavv Some people don't know what you know and are happy to be safe. Take a different perspective. Learning in infinite.

Ryanair: "Anything below 4G is a rookie move."

@NicolaW72

Жыл бұрын

😄👍

@jameswest8280

2 ай бұрын

Landing gear is just a waste of money.

Hey Kelsey, just wanted to give you a quick shout out. Tbh, I am not a pilot or have any ties to aviation other than the occasional travel and being taken to and from theater during deployments but I came across your channel for some reason and found myself subscribing and catching whatever new posts you make because I thoroughly enjoy how you break down and discuss the pilot vs ATC interactions. It’s a fantastic listen while doing day to day tasks. Keep up the terrific work and stay safe out there.

Hoping that maybe the Blue Angels will take you out flying some day. These videos are super interesting as always.

@kellyalvarado6533

Жыл бұрын

The Blue Angels could probably single handedly eliminate the national debt if they offered to take people for a joy ride at a price.

I love watching Kelsey's face/reaction during the clips. It's hilarious!!!

@Anna_Xor

Жыл бұрын

I know! My fave reactions are when he tries to "move" the plane & when he does this pursed-liped suppressed laugh. I would watch a channel of just Kelsey reacting to things with no context just to make it funnier. He was totally the kid who would stand in front of the TV acting out what he saw in the screen, he probably still does that now.

@jameswest8280

2 ай бұрын

He's thinking WTF, but won't say it because he doesn't want to get demonetized.

the area looked like a series of older wrecks yet to be cleaned up.

I always love your humility and the way you talk. Thank you

Wamena AirPort is very interesting. Companies like triagana air fly here with 30 year old 737-200s multiple times a day because all the supplies to the area need to be brought in by air. Also for those curious the only passenger flights to wamena are with lion air with ATR-72 and 42s. Its beautiful and I go there every year and highly recommend it

@gordonrichardson2972

Жыл бұрын

Thanks, that explains a lot: No passengers.

@NicolaW72

Жыл бұрын

@@gordonrichardson2972 Indeed.

@khairulshiddiq9728

Жыл бұрын

You're right, except that Trigana have brought in one of it's main 737 fleet to wamena with passengers in it.

I seem to remember that the report on the 737, congratulated the crew for keeping the aircraft on the runway. It wasn’t the first crash at that airport, Wamena. The approach (I hear) is a tricky one, a non-ILS and always low cloud. An airline I worked for in the past sold a turboprop to Deraya Air Taxi of Indonesia. They crashed that plane (on video) at that exact airport in exactly the same way. Some months later, they replaced the crashed plane with another one. They crashed that plane at that exact airport, again on video in precisely the same circumstances. I guess it is a difficult approach, in a country that accepts lower safety standards.

@akudapapua

Жыл бұрын

The approach is difficult. 737 size aircraft are literally the maximum size you want to take in and out. Trigana has had a ton of accidents in Wamena. Merpati Nusantara Airlines (defunct 2014, relaunch license revoked in June 2022) has had a fair amount of accidents there too if I remember correctly. Wamena as an airport has a lot of issues because of its altitude and weather.

@kray3883

Жыл бұрын

Is there some technical reason why it can't have ILS? Even if no one cares about safety, landing like that looks expensive...

@akudapapua

Жыл бұрын

@K Ray Cost for a back water airport.

@mrvwbug4423

Жыл бұрын

@@kray3883 Indonesia is massive and simply lacks the resources to keep up their infrastructure. Especially with their decision to relocate their capital from Jakarta to a brand new city on Borneo, that is their entire infrastructure budget for the next 20 years or so. The capital is being relocated because Jakarta is literally sinking into the ocean

What amused me was the slogan on the 'MY INDO AIRLINES' aircraft. "The way to go". Don't think I would be too keen to fly with them!

@jameswest8280

2 ай бұрын

Our flights will send you to heaven.

I love to watch planes coming in and out. I prayed for everyone's safe journey. Thanks for all your shows on this site

Hi 74 gear, I haven’t watched you in a while but I still love your channel. Thanks for entertaining all of ud

Kudos for highlighting the ground crew! Those guys are the lifeblood of an airport.

Thank you for making videos like this!

Well, I have been on a few hard landings. The main gear never broke. The UA Sioux City DC-10 crash in 1989 hit hard. The mains crushed the concrete and of course 112 souls perished. I was at that field the week before. I went back to that field a year later and a hangar building was constructed to house the plane's remains. The hydraulics line severed when the tail mounted engine failed. Blades sheared the lines. McDonald-Douglas got a bad reputation with the public over the DC-10 and it also hurt the MD-11 years later. I always thought the Lockheed L1011 was the better of the two airplanes for a wide body. Flew on many in the 80's and early 90's.

@mrvwbug4423

Жыл бұрын

I was always of the impression that the DC-10 had the structural integrity of a wet noodle. It was a quick and dirty cheaper alternative to the 747. It's one of those aircraft that led to changes in safety standards. It also was a major driver for the Boeing/MD merger, which should never have been allowed to happen. A lack of competition and a complacent FAA gave us the 737 MAX debacle. Lockheed was just cursed when it came to any passenger aircraft with turbine engines. The Electra had all sorts of early safety issues causing a very brief passenger career and is mostly known for being the P-3 maritime patrol plane. The L1011 while a very safe design was underpowered and overpriced, especially as it was not able to beat the DC-10 to market.

@nicholasjohnson6724

Жыл бұрын

The L1011 was very underrated, yet so safe and so ahead of its time.

@mangos2888

Жыл бұрын

There are a lot of videos comparing the main widebodies back in the day and the L1011 was the best of them. I wish Lockheed had continued in commercial aviation. McDonnell Douglas should've gone down long before the merger...

I like how my Indo is just nose on the grass chilling. I'm not aviation guru but that seems odd at least would be here in states.

That looks like a really steep approach. As someone who does not like to fly, that just scares me seeing it. Code Brown Situation. I was on a flight crossing the mountains that dropped like a rock for what seemed like forever. We had quite a few code browns when we reached the terminal. While the adults were freaked out, the kids enjoyed the drop, go figure. As Deadpool would say "They should have worn the brown pants"

@LadyTarasque

Жыл бұрын

I was on a flight (can't remember if it was to or from Mexico) once when a couple sudden drops occurred.. idk if I was the only one panicking because all I heard were the few kids or so going "WHEEEE!" ^^;

Allways Enjoy Your Videos Kelsy , You Have Great Sense of Humour ,Thank you and Keep The Blue Side Up

You have a great sense of humor! I would have loved to hear what was going on in that cockpit myself and I'm not a pilot and never will be. Love your content and videos ! Because I have no clue about flying, I find this extremely interesting and I'm learning oodles which is always good fun. I've been on some planes were some pretty crazy landings.

Hello Kelsey You can’t expect someone to tell you how hard a landing has to be to collapse the main gear, just do it yourself and don’t forget to set a camera in the flight deck

@kray3883

Жыл бұрын

Don't forget binary search is going to be the fastest here... Since we have an upper bound of 3g already and a lower bound of, say, 1g, the next attempt should be 2g and then either 2.5g (if the gear survives 2g) or 1.5g (if it does not)... (Just happy to help!)

@fatsu

Жыл бұрын

@@kray3883 but who will provide the second airplane if the first one's landing gear collapse?

On a flight into New Orleans about 35 years ago, you could barely tell when we touched the ground. Nearly the entire cabin burst into applause. As we were deplaning, everyone was congratulating the pilot on the smooth landing. My only thought was wondering about how much runway we had to give up to get it that smooth.

@gailpeterson3747

Жыл бұрын

It could also have been the plane type that contributed to the softer landing. I have noticed that landings in general are a tad firmer since the introduction of the 737s. ;-)

@endokrin7897

Жыл бұрын

@@gailpeterson3747 Since the 737? That's 55+ years ago! Are you saying landings have been firm for 55 years? Or, are you saying that 737 landings, specifically, have been firmer? Maybe you're saying 737 landings are firm due to their short landing gear? 🤔

Informative and entertaining as always kelsie. Thanks mate

I love the way the PIC looks over, like 'anyone notice that?' 🤣

I was about 25 when I took my first flight. It was with some guys from work and they were ribbing me a bit. Anyway, quite a hard landing - felt like a kick in the backside and there was a clang, I guess the suspension hit the stops. They all looked like they'd seen a ghost, silly me didn't know any better. Sometimes ignorance is bliss. Like they say, if you can walk away from it that's a good landing, and if the plane's still usable it's a great one.

The 737-200 in the first video that seems to be in the grass is actually on a taxiway, which can be partly seen in front of the rear wheels. The view of the rest of the taxiway in front of it is blocked by tall grass. If you look closely and have a large enough computer monitor you can see the movement of the pilots in the cockpit during the video. Also directly in front of the 737 across the grass alongside the runway you can see what looks to be the taxiway marker. They were apparently waiting for the other 737 to land before taxiing onto the active runway to backtrack to the beginning of the runway. The Wamena airport in Indonesia doesn't have an actual taxiway alongside the runway, only entry/exit ramps between the runway and the apron. However this flight would have been cancelled because the Trigana Air 737 that crash landed wound up blocking part of the runway when it came to a stop, so the My Indo Airlines 737 would not have been able to take off. There is only one runway at this airport. My Indo Airlines registration PK-MYR was already 40 years old (built in 1975) when it was purchased by My Indo Airlines in 2015, one year before this incident. Now nearly 48 years old it is still registered with My Indo Airlines but it is not clear if it is still in use. PK-YSY, the Trigana Air 737-300 that crashed in the video was 25 years old at the time of the accident, and was written off. It first went into service in 1991 with Western Airlines.

@Delibro

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for this clarification, I wouldn't believed it if your explanation wasn't that detailed. I wondered that the most in the video, together with the helicopter standing in the grass too at the end of the first video. Together with the marks on the taxiway, the collapsed plain coming in, this looks like some nightmare with multiple crashed flying machines :)

@mikoto7693

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the clarification. I was actually wondering why it appeared to be parked half on the grass. So much so that it distracted me from the actual plane with the collapsed gear.

This reminds me of a certain song... "You've still got time, simply change your mind, would sure be nice to fly this plane again..."

I took all my flying lessons in a Cessna 152 and did my instrument training in a Cessna 172. I am thankful for the spring mains on the Cessnas!

I flew into KATL yesterday and we had a hard landing. It could have been a microburst but right at the last second we smashed onto the runway. It was at least 1G, maybe 1.5. I haven't felt one of those in a while.

@toddabowden

Жыл бұрын

It was very windy in most of Georgia yesterday (I'm not too far north of Atlanta), so probably fighting the gusts and touched down hard. But that sounds like a very firm landing you had for sure. I'm sure you would have mentioned it if you didn't, but I'm glad you were able to taxi to the gate, this guy in this video couldn't!

@kellyalvarado6533

Жыл бұрын

Hubby flew home via DFW yesterday and said they had the hardest landing he has ever experienced in his life too. Several of the overhead bins popped open and people who weren't securely buckled left their seats momentarily.

@mykey39

Жыл бұрын

@@kellyalvarado6533 Prob the same pilot! Their next leg was DFW.. LOL

@mrvwbug4423

Жыл бұрын

It sounds like it was probably wind shear, but barring that, the sudden drop and slam into the runway means the pilot flared too early and stalled it onto the runway like is normal for landing small planes

Holy crap, his GPWS must have been screaming at him.. that wasn't sink rate, that was freefall!!!

@Random_Banshee

Жыл бұрын

"Always with the colourful lights and straight lines, eh? Screw you, tarmac! Flaps out, full reverse thrust, comin down!"

Aside from the man running from the left side of the screen, the stationary jet waiting eclipsed what was going on. The photographer probably didn't know what was happening! I would have run! 🏃🏼‍♀️💨

I heard when pilot tried explaining incident to management, he didn’t have a leg to stand on.

Any landing you walk away from is a good landing.

@gbgentleman

Жыл бұрын

Yes and no. Good to be alive, but you could be unemployed.

@harridan.

Жыл бұрын

yes

@adamt4742

Жыл бұрын

and a great one is when the can use the airplane again

@timelordtardis

Жыл бұрын

Care to join the break-out group for the five-step approach. Tell you what, I'll start. Step one: "Hey, chie!f" 🤣

I was a bit distracted by the aircraft that looked like they were just haphazardly plunked down on the grass. but beyond that, I'm wondering if the visibility conditions resulted in the pilots misjudging their glide path and trusting their eyes over their instruments.

@jss27560

Жыл бұрын

I was wondering about that too. Also the helicopter but that might just be the tail.

@ferrarikingdom

Жыл бұрын

I took a screenshot and zoomed in. Kinda looks like there a bit of tarmac underneath. Could be wrong

@kenbrown2808

Жыл бұрын

@@jss27560 I saw the helicopter towards the end of the clip that looked like it was on uneven ground. it was one of the aircraft I was thinking of.

@spencerbeales8965

Жыл бұрын

Me too...

@Katie-iz6fh

Жыл бұрын

@@kenbrown2808 ST-MGA is an abandoned helicopter at Wanema airport.

Thanks for sharing not a pilot but have always found this video very interesting and learning from you

Your comments on all those videos are always so interesting as well as entertaining at the same time to me! Thank you very much for your work and have always safe flights and NOT insurance company included landings! 😉

I'm still absolutly chocked that .. 8t didn't say Ryan Air on the side.

Love your videos, Kelsey. I'm not a pilot but I fly a lot for business. Would be interested to hear your comments on the relative complexity of landing/taking off at various airports. I had a project in Santa Fe and flew from LAX to ABQ once a week. There were certain conditions where the plane flew past ABQ to land from the East; the last 180-degree turn (to miss the mountains?) was so low sometimes that you could almost see what television shows people were watching in their houses under the flight path. And the old Hong Kong airport, Kai Tak, final approach...yeesh!

@jursamaj

Жыл бұрын

For the going around the runway and coming in from the other side, it's likely about winds. It's much better to land into the wind than with the wind behind you. At other airports, some planes may simply not be able to land from 1 direction due to terrain in the way.

@aldodrossi5303

Жыл бұрын

@@jursamaj That makes sense...as I think about it, I'm not sure I ever remember taking off to the East on return flights to LAX. Also, inversion layers over the desert can be pretty shallow on cool clear nights and I'm guessing pilots like to get down into the stable air close to ground for final approach...descending and climbing through the tops of the inversion layers was always a bit bumpy.

Really enjoyed this one, man. Thanks.

That wing dip and dive looked like something out of a WW2 film, dive bomber going in.

In case you missed it, pilots were able to see the runway which can be possible.

I remember a LONG time back we were landing at O'Hare and we hit so hard the movie screen ( this was a long time back ) came down from the ceiling - kissed the floor and shot back up .

@ilsavv

Жыл бұрын

Did it stick back to the ceiling?

@markhamilton1847

Жыл бұрын

@@ilsavv It was on a roller like a window shade they would pull it down for a movie then roll it back up at the end.

@ilsavv

Жыл бұрын

@@markhamilton1847 You did not need any movies on that flight, did you? The flight itself had become entertaining enough, I guess.📽

👍👍👍👍👍 Great comparisons for all the things in this vid, showing "this is what it would have looked like" vs "this is what it should look like" stuff.

Haha, "code brown!" That's a new one for me and pretty darn funny (and true!).

I've recently flown with Ryanair, the jokes about firm landings are true, but it was well within the aircraft limits. I can only imagine how rough it felt in the back Also, what's with that 732 with her nose gear (and I'm almost sure left main as well) on the grass?

@kanamisprs4330

Жыл бұрын

Bingo!

@rickharriss

Жыл бұрын

If the runway is short, or the weather against you often a firm landing is the only way to do it.

@bkbinj6320

Жыл бұрын

Looking at Wamena airport on Google Earth, it looks like there is an odd little taxi way or road the 732 might be on.

@skyhawk_4526

Жыл бұрын

I was wondering about the other 737 in the grass and blocking a taxiway. Helicopter parked on the grass too. This looks like an airport I'd like to avoid at all costs.

@skyhawk_4526

Жыл бұрын

@@bkbinj6320 A lot seem "odd" at this airport.

It appears to me that the plane was slipping on final approach. My understanding is that this maneuver is not used commercially so as not to scare passengers. Great video as always. Thanks.

@djinn666

Жыл бұрын

Commercial aircraft are also not designed to slip like smaller planes. They have spoilers that are very effective at slowing down.

@OfficialSamuelC

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, it’s not very fun for passengers at the rear either being thrown around.

@Person01234

Жыл бұрын

This appears to be a cargo aircraft which might be why it was doing it, no passengers to worry about.

Great videos, as usual. Keep up the good work!

Reminds me of playing on the slip and slide when I was a child! 😄 Just glad nobody was hurt!

As a nervous flier, I really love your videos. They make me feel oddly more confident when I do fly. I have a question about this one: How long did it take the plane to stop? Are there any brakes on the nose gear (not that they'd be near enough, but...)?

@kamo8073

Жыл бұрын

The contact with the belly of the plane would cause so much friction that I actually think it would loose speed even faster

@mikoto7693

Жыл бұрын

So I’m not a pilot, but I should imagine that they were still making use of the thrust reversers and spoilers. (Flaps on the wings that rise up to increase drag.) Brakes on the landing gear is but one of three mechanisms pilots can use to stop.

@iiiiiiiv

9 ай бұрын

@@mikoto7693 I'm late to the party but AFAIK the main purpose of the spoilers upon landing is not to increase drag but to decrease lift so that the aircraft puts more weight on its wheels and thus brakes can be more effective. Otherwise the plane just wants to kinda keep floating with wheels barely touching the ground.

To be fair - and possibly even on this channel - I feel I have heard of landings that have gone past 4g but such a collapse has not happened. I guess it depends on how many times a plane has been smashed into the ground so is probably at least as much a cumulative function (so, not just the result of one event) of its age, number of cycles - and treatment which, if regularly flown into this airport with its steeper standard approach and general difficulty, seems likely to indicate a "hard" life. Assuming that to be the case, logically that must lead to the progressive weakening of the whole structure through metallurgical degradation resultant from that hard life, with particular stress on those components under most strain during landing - which would in turn lead inescapably to the likelihood of collapsed landing gear occurring at an ever lower g loading.

@NicolaW72

Жыл бұрын

It was a 30 years old B 737-300 Freighter from the Airline "Trigana Air Service". They used this Aircraft for five years at the time of the incident - it was a former Delta-Air-Lines-Aircraft, converted into a Freighter.

Good video there "K Man" always great content and presentation. You're the best, chuck out the rest! Pilot Pete.

6:20 camera changes its perspective smoothly like a pro, two extra operators filming, three pilots (two captains) in the cabin... suspiciously looks like it was deliberate, perhaps some movie making or smth.

That first landing looked to me like a plane that was quite far above the glideslope and tried to slip to drop down (bad idea in a transport aircraft). If they could see the field, either they couldn't see the PAPI, which brings into question how you see the field but not the 4 very bright lights, or they decided to ignore that they had 4-white on the PAPI on very short final. As an aside, in normal usage, "1G" means you're accelerating at exactly the force of gravity. This could be in level flight, in a constant descent, or parked on the ramp. Since any landing requires a change of direction, and thus excess acceleration, you can't possibly land with a peak acceleration of 1G. Since you've described a "1G" landing as "hard", I'm guessing that you're describing the excess acceleration above 1 gravity, so a "1G" landing would actually have a peak acceleration of two times the force of gravity.

@machintrucGaming

Жыл бұрын

Well I guess 1G in that context means they hit the ground while still going to 9.88 meters/s of vertical speed

@jamesphillips2285

Жыл бұрын

@@machintrucGaming G refers to acceleration not speed. 9.81m/s^2

Hi Kelsey, at the beginning the My-Indi-Airlines plane looks like standing in the grass aside from the runway. Is there an accident too?

@matsv201

Жыл бұрын

It's a cross.taxiway there that is hidden by the grass.

@palatina6626

Жыл бұрын

@@matsv201 Thank you. I didn't see concrete. This grass is too high for my eyes. 🤣

@matsv201

Жыл бұрын

@@palatina6626 when I zoom in i can bsrley se the double yellow line stopping where the plane stands and there is a tiny extra bit of tarmack. Still. There should be a sign there also.

Another fantastic video Kelsey.

That pilots new nickname is Fred Flintstone......yaba daba dooooo..............(that's what he was yelling as his ass was skidding down the runway) I wonder if he tried to taxi back to the terminal thinking wow, this requires like full power just to taxi.......what's that smell?!!

Love yer videos! You said that a normal landing is 1 G. I think it's slightly more than 1 G unless all vertical motion/descent has completely stopped when the wheels touch the pavement. I don't think that's the case in most landings because I can feel my body being pushed down into the seat slightly as the wheels touch. How much more than 1 G, hmmmm....have to look at that G meter readout, I guess.

@Random_Banshee

Жыл бұрын

1G is close to 10m/s^2, or around 30ft/s^2. Assuming the suspension of a plane can absorb the downward impulse in around 0.3 seconds when it touches down, that would translate to 10ft/0.3s^s. In proper words, if a plane descends 10ft (3m) within the last second before landing, you‘ll feel around 1 G, which checks out with the stuff around 8:35 (they were going a tad quicker and landing a tad harder, respectively)

@georgeconway4360

6 ай бұрын

@@Random_BansheeThat all sounds like a bunch of Bull Shit. I flew the MD11 for almost 20 years and when I learned how to find it in the MCDU or on the company computer I would check the Gs that are recorded and sent on every landing. Based on these reports I can guarantee 1.2 Gs is a greaser, 1.3 Gs is a smooth landing, 1.4 Gs is a bit firm. A UPS person mentioned 1.7 is a Hard Landing. I know I have had firm landings as FP and NFP and never saw 1.7. There are no secrets on modern airplanes. If a pilot has a bad outcome to something he did the investigators will know what happened before they talk to you.

@Random_Banshee

6 ай бұрын

@@georgeconway4360 Ty for the numbers! And yeah .3 seconds for the suspension to sink in was a very rough estimate, if it's ever so slightly more or less then the resulting Gs will vary.

Thank you Kelsey for your work. A suggestion: I am very visual and love aircraft. When you show an incident like this, could you show the aircraft for a longer period of time while you talk? I was trying to carefully look at the aircraft damage, but than had to stop and "rewind" to just look more closely. Thank you for your consideration.

I think the "seeing the runway" point is the same as a bush : if you're inside the bush, you pretty much the outside of it cristal clear, but anyone outside only see a wall of leaves with maybe a couple holes...

Great video Kelsey!

My question is, did he catch the 3 wire?!

I play Elite Dangerous where you have to plan your landings. There is an autopilot which can make mistakes. If you use throttle then you can temporary overwrite the automated landings. If you are a smuggler then you have to go in very fast into the "letterbox" shaped "door". Half way in the letterbox you set throttle to zero and as soon as your speed is slow enough the autopilot doing the rest. You know in "advance" what is the number for the landing pad and your compass helps you too. Vibrant colors inside can mess your bearings up. Some landing pads are really close to the letterbox. Then you may have to use reverse thrust. You can aid the autopilot till it takes over by rotating, aligning your ship. You navigate, communicate, navigate. Do not panic.... Trying to use your advice in situations. Sometimes you do not use shields to have more cargo space. So then you have to be aware how the autopilot can mess up things damaging your ship. If you let mouse and joystick controls in default you can fly the sip similar to an airplane. Sideways do the barrel roll. There is rotational compensation once you in the letterbox. Outside the stations you have to do manual rotation to fly in the rotating letterbox..... I had to find out why was applause in landing at (IATA: LCA, ICAO: LCLK) This is how I end up with you! :D My very first flight on commercial airplane started with a perfect sunrise from Budapest. (IATA: BUD, ICAO: LHBP)

As a beginer pilot, I porosed and floated all down the runway, and the tower gave me my landing TIMES. Cheers from the Pacific West Coast of Canada.

@gordonwallin2368

Жыл бұрын

porposed

@StevePemberton2

Жыл бұрын

@@gordonwallin2368 Porpoised

I saw that second video of the Boeing 727 in Africa. I wasn't sure what was wrong at the time, but I do remember being surprised at how close they were to the water. Thanks for explaining it. I behind l believe that's the only place that aircraft is still in service.

That will buff right out 👍

Love your work !

Gmonster looks normal at 10G's. Also if that was the 727 shallow approach, they were landing in hostile territory which may have had different approach requirements. Falling out of the sky is what happens when you're over cold dense air (over the water) then transition into warm less dense air over land.

Great video! I believe the glideslope for London City Airport (LCY) is 5 degrees.

Looks like they did a Sarajevo approach without the Sarajevo part! I experienced a landing a bit like that on a private Croatian Air landing in Sarajevo in 1997. Fortunately the undercarriage held, but it was quite a jolt. Actually hurt a bit.

Energy absorption from them and then it's a belly land. Lots of buffers from engineers like you said. That said if I saw that angle of trying to get on the runway there should be some videos from that. They will feel it!. Always good videos and ty!

Time 5.45. " Probably have a code brown situation." Wicked. Thank you.

These videos are so satisfying

I miss the intro's where you say "comin' up" 😂😂 Great content!!

Nice coverage on this one 👍 (When are you going to get your fourth stripe?)

"...but nobody was injured." Had I been a passenger... someone would have been injured.

i honest love your videos so much ❤