Way to give an honest review with realistic expectations added. I appreciate the down to earth way you came across. You didn’t insult the table for it being built to a price point and that is respectable. Bravo sir 👍🏻

@makingmistakeswithgreg

2 ай бұрын

Thanks. I really do think it’s a solid option. A lot of people compare it to 800$ and up tables and I think it’s important to realize thats a bit unrealistic of a budget. The average person might only have 500-1000$ to get a setup to start building things/learning to weld. I rather see that person spend 600$ on a welder, 200$ on the titanium table, and 200$ on metal and supplies than 600$ + on a table and 400$ on a cheap welder. Not to mention if the table is outgrown, you can still use it as a stand for tools/equipment.

@orangetruckman

2 ай бұрын

@@makingmistakeswithgreg I’m sure this type of attitude has helped out many and will continue.

Thank you so much for this review! I've been eyeballing these, but really wasn't sure. I appreciate what you do!!!

@makingmistakeswithgreg

3 ай бұрын

No problem. It’s a solid table and for sub 200$ I definitely think it’s worth it.

Man, you put this out there day after I get the smaller harbor freight table.😂 regardless, I’m still learning and it’s definitely an upgrade over my sheet metal on top of a wooden table. Appreciate the video!

@makingmistakeswithgreg

3 ай бұрын

The smaller one is much more portable and it’s solid. If I were you I would pickup a sheet of 1/4in aluminum and clamp/bolt it down to the top. Find the material used on marketplace or something for little money. That won’t add much weight, but it will extend the life of the table hugely.

I cut a piece of plywood for a shelf on the lower cross bar

@makingmistakeswithgreg

14 күн бұрын

I might do that on mine, good idea.

I think those stop things are actually strap clamps. Stack up those spacers and drop a bolt through the round end through the risers and leave it loose. Then drop a Bolt through the slot and screw it to one of the nuts. (with a part under the far end.) Machinists use this type of clamp all the time for milling tables etc...

these look like a good choice for a hobbyist I have one of the cheap harbor freight one's this top even twice the price is still worth it considering you can attach different jigs to

@makingmistakeswithgreg

3 ай бұрын

I definitely think it’s worth the money. Even from a thickness perspective it would make a good general welding only table saw(without using the clamps). Just make sure to put anti spatter spray on the table to avoid as much grinding as possible 😀

I 'm aiming for auch a 3d-table one have to weld up yourself. My recent table made of square pipes has some severe downsides. I drilled a holepattern in for better fixture but alteady managed to bend it out of shape due to some excessive heat from welding thick stuff. But this table looks really handy, thanks for reviewing !

@makingmistakeswithgreg

3 ай бұрын

No problem. I think compared to the other ones out there at the sub 300$ level it will work great. I know I will be using it a lot in the upcoming months, and It should save me some time making widgets 😀

If the top is a good solid top I wouldn't mind using it to make a slide out top for the back of my welding bed for field use.

Very cool, I wish I had the space. The holes and ability to clamp would be awesome. Years ago when I had the garage built, I had the local steel yard bend me an 8 foot sheet of 3/16 plate for my bench. ( back when steel was way cheaper ). I’m a little primitive when it comes to fabrication, I find a flat spot on the floor for tacking things up, then move the piece to the bench or the hydraulic lift table ( harbor freight ) to weld it up. I try to be as comfortable as possible to run my welds or they look like poo. Good review, thanks.

@makingmistakeswithgreg

3 ай бұрын

a bench like that is definitely a solid setup 😀. It would be nice if steel went back down in price, crazy how expensive it has gotten. Probably build a whole garage yourself 5 years ago for what a sheet of steel costs now lol.

@joesteffens613

3 ай бұрын

No doubt! They want full price for remnants now too. I use to get good deals on them or even free back then.

@morenothing4u

Ай бұрын

​@@makingmistakeswithgreg What was a sheet of 12 gauge going for precovid?

I had the cheap H/F as a portable. Gave it to a friend when we sold house. I thought I would not need a table while helping the in-laws out and looking for a new place. It has turned into 2 years and still can’t find property to build on. I just picked up one of these to help fix things make small things to pass the time when not running back and forth from Ky to Ga looking for property. For the money this is a pretty good table. Just the drill bit to do the holes is about the cost of the table. Let alone the mag. Drill . If you use them as intended they are fine. Also it takes about 10/15 minutes tops to put together and 5 of that is getting the oil to a minimum.

@makingmistakeswithgreg

3 ай бұрын

That oil is pretty terrible lol. I can’t imagine drilling all the holes, it’s doable but the cost would definitely be pretty high if they had to be straight (aka with a mag drill or big drill press). For its intended purpose I think it will do really well. Definitely pays to have a small table and clamps, even for non metal tasks.

Greg I made my own table like this from 1/4 plate , it works well, not perflectly flat but better than this one. I used my mag drill and a 5/8 anular cutter with a template and drilled the holes. If I had the money I would buy a Siglund 4 by 8 foot they cost $ 5000.00 but cerified flat every where.

@makingmistakeswithgreg

3 ай бұрын

No doubt I think we would all like a big legit 5k table. For me my little workshop is simply too small, and the money is better spent elsewhere (same with most people). It’s definitely worth it to do the diy path to get a ton of capability for minimal investment.

I couldn't find the HF table in stock, I ended up getting the Vevor rolling table for 90 bucks. Now, I just need to find some fixtures and clamps for a reasonable price

@makingmistakeswithgreg

3 ай бұрын

Yeah, i am not sure what’s going on with them but they have been impossible to find around here too. Definitely worth finding alternatives.

I think we get too wound up about “flatness” when in comes to welding/fixture tables. Any kind of welding heat will likely tweak joints to a small degree even if fixed in place.

@melgross

3 ай бұрын

If you design a piece properly, and fixture it properly, it won’t move. The problem with cheap, thin tops, is that if you are welding something thick, it might pull the table out of flat where you’ve clamped it. Not from heat, but from the force of the weld shrinking. My Siegmund is not going to do that. But these cheap tables can.

@makingmistakeswithgreg

3 ай бұрын

Having a flat surface in the shop is nice, because of what you can do with it beyond just fixturing things (such as sanding things down with sandpaper stuck to the table). The more it gets used the more it’s likely to warp. It’s thick but not thick enough to stay true over time that’s for sure

That's a decent table, for the money, no question. The only thing I have to add is that the Klutch accessories are not completely compatible with the Titanium table- I believe the Titanium holes on the table are American (Imperial) measured, whereas the Klutch is metric- so the clamps will work one way but probably not the other. I'm not saying this from personal experience- I saw this on another KZread comparing the 2 tables.

@makingmistakeswithgreg

3 ай бұрын

I will definitely check that out next time I am at northern. They might look at me funny climbing on the display but I must know 😅.

After assembly you think welding it up at all connected points would be a benefit? thanks for the review, had my eye on it for a bit but my local "Horrible Fate" they can't keep them in stock, management told me they are a hot seller here.

@makingmistakeswithgreg

3 ай бұрын

So the table top to the legs are solid, but that lower connector bar could definately be atleast bolted on. If someone wanted to take the table mobile, 100% welding that lower will be the way to go. It will fall off if the table is tipped on its side lol.

I appreciate this review. My local stores have also been out of stock and unwilling to sell me one of future stock. They have hundreds of floor models but won't sell any. ANYWAY... I think with that tolerance I'm better off planning my own build or even just buying a small certiflat which can be had for under $300, top only!

@M70ACARRY

3 ай бұрын

U have a link for that?

@melgross

3 ай бұрын

The Certiflat tables, that is, the cheap 3/16” and even the 1/4” thick models, aren’t any flatter than this one. It’s up to you to follow their instructions 100% because they take NO responsibility for flatness, unless you buy one they welded together. If you don’t TIG weld them together and end up with lumps from the MIG welds, you’ve got to bring them flat by grinding them down. If you don’t do that well, you end up with dished areas wherever the welds are. Just spend more money and get a better table if it means something to you. The Langmuir table for $700 is 3/8” thick cast iron. The Primeweld is 3/8” thick cast iron (actually the same casting) nitrided for rust resistance and some spatter resistance. It costs $899 but has much better legs as well. Both are 24” x 36”.

@makingmistakeswithgreg

3 ай бұрын

Yeah I am not sure what the deal is with that. The harbor freights by me haven’t had one in stock for 3+ months. I lucked out and a new store got 2 and I drove to pick it up. Thankfully they are available by other vendors. No doubt there are a bunch of DIY options at the 300+ category. Personally I think the table is excellent for the sub 200, but if I had to only have one table I would much rather pickup a used thick top weld table or something that is indestructible lol.

@JMRSplatt

3 ай бұрын

@@makingmistakeswithgregVery interesting and I appreciate all the info! Indeed it's a good table for under 200 and just starting... However for someone like myself who has been hobby welding, gifting, crafting anything for a couple years now... I'm moving towards furniture and larger items; I really need a nearly perfectly flat surface. This video is actually a great supplement to my decision making on creating my own, buying an inexpensive, or just finding a used thick top as mentioned. Anyway, thanks again and this channel is so very valuable.

@JMRSplatt

3 ай бұрын

@@melgrossThis is some very interesting information.. and I was actually just thinking about how their tops aren't the thickest. I really appreciate this input and for those looking for a table, consider melgross's comment too! Edit - i have to think they will be better than 0.05" tolerance though. no?

The difference between this and the Klutch, is that the Klutch top is welded to the frame instead of being screwed to it. Several years ago I bought a cheap Grizzly table for $139. Same size, same concept, same top thought it had an anti rust black surface. Not going to go into details, but I found that the Buildpro clamps worked very well just slipping them into the holes, not bolt under the table to have to screw around with, which becomes very annoying, very quickly. Jason, from Fireball Tool likes to test everything well beyond any practical usage. You shouldn’t have to clamp down too tightly. Just enough to hold the parts down. If your parts don’t sit flat, you really have to think about the warp in the metal before you cut them. If you weld pre warped metal after clamping it down hard, it will spring back afterwards. This isn’t magic.

Has anyone laid another table on top and matched up the holes to make it twice as thick, then bolt together

@heliwrecker8649

2 ай бұрын

I was wondering something similar. Maybe 1 or 1.5" flatbar strips welded vertically for stiffening. But I'd imagine it would warp like a mofo just trying to do that. Without another fixture table to hold it together 😂😂. But yeah, buy a plate and 5/8 annular cutter, and rent or borrow a mag drill for a day 🤷‍♂️

I put casters on it.

@makingmistakeswithgreg

2 ай бұрын

That would definitely make it a better setup, good idea.

Hi Greg, I think I just see it as cheaper to make my own table. A good thicker sheet metal, a few pieces of angle iron and a few pieces of tube steel and wala.. done. Lol. And I can get all that steel from a place here locally much cheaper than buying one.

@makingmistakeswithgreg

3 ай бұрын

Definitely the way to go. A table like the titanium would be good for making little widgets due to ease of clamping and design. However it’s hard to beat a thick hunk of steel for a table top. Market place has a ton of options for 200-500$ for materials or even a completed welding table. The only downside is portability. I have used the Hobart for a few jobs and it’s very handy to have in the truck to take somewhere. The titanium is less so portable but a bit easier to move around the garage.

@dawnac6453

3 ай бұрын

@@makingmistakeswithgreg yep exactly... And portability I'm not too concerned on as I don't really take my welder anywhere unless it's something I don't need a table for. I have one of those mini welders I got from a local pawn shop a couple of years ago and only paid like 80 Bucks for it and with the small amount of welding I do I really don't need an expensive welding table thus the reason for making my own. I don't do widgets and stuff. Mainly my welding comes in if I need to make some repairs or something around my mines or at my place. I don't really do the welding thing on a commercial basis because I don't have that kind of experience to risk the legalities that might happen... Thus the reason for me not needing to buy a welding table. Lol I figure just make my own then that way i have it the way I may need it for whatever small welding job that happens up. Lol

You always need to use them blocks if you Can. It will disapate the heat better than straight to the table. Help on the wrapping issues. Mine was pretty flat and true klutch consider it was delivered to the house to. Fed ex. IDK i like it it sure beats welding on ground or plywood fire 🔥. U can't beat it for coin. Like u say. Its not five k plus table. My opinion that's what one have spend to get great welding table just little bigger in size to handle machine type shop jobs. But if ur careful this will make home shop garage a great piece to add to there arsenal. Stay safe from ur ole hillbilly buddy.

@makingmistakeswithgreg

3 ай бұрын

I think we all would like a 5k table to work on but the size and cost is obviously a huge hurdle. It definitely beats plywood or the ground lol. If a person does like you said and try’s to keep the heat directly off the table it should stay pretty straight for a long time. Compared to what else is out there for sub 300$ I don’t think a better setup exists for the money brand new.

There's a simple solution to the dagger tabs on the legs: weld them.

Quick suggestion if not already mentioned … Grind some of the paint off of the lower crossbars meeting the legs . Then weld

What thickness of metal would you recommend for a welding table?

@makingmistakeswithgreg

3 ай бұрын

If I was going to make one for a home shop and portability wasn’t a concern I would pickup a 1/2inch thick 2x3 foot or so piece of steel from market place and make that into a table. The main benefit to thick steel is you can grind it forever to clean it up and still have a metal left. They also handle abuse far better. The limitation to table tops like that is there isn’t an easy way to use clamps like the harbor freight.

Where can I just get that Harbor Freight clamp kit?

@makingmistakeswithgreg

2 ай бұрын

So harbor freight doesn’t sell the clamps separate, however northern tool does. You can buy just the clamps as well as the v blocks separate. 👍

For under $200, I think that is is a bargain and a pretty good value. To get a flat table of at least the same size will be about 4 times as much. I have the DeWalt table and it makes a good work table.

@makingmistakeswithgreg

3 ай бұрын

I agree. There isn’t really anything in its price range that offers its capability. The clamps are far more functional than the other table designs out there and you can actually get some clamping pressure. For the average person I think it would be excellent to have in the shop.

I wish they would have gone thicker on the top and hope they start selling the clamps separately. Then again everyone makes there own welding table clamps from HF bar clamps and bolts so that will always be the cheap way to go.

@makingmistakeswithgreg

3 ай бұрын

They might market a 1/4in table top at some point. The market is pretty dry on a store bought 1/4in top table that’s decent. Even if it cost 60-75$ more it would still be worth it.

What do you do if it gets rust on it?

@makingmistakeswithgreg

Ай бұрын

If that happens you could polish it off with a D/A sander or something similar. If it’s bad enough you won’t be able to clean it off completely without really sanding it, but that probably wouldn’t be a huge issue.

What do you mean widgets. Please explain. Examples?

@makingmistakeswithgreg

2 ай бұрын

Widgets are any number of things. Small items that need a few welds. I used to make custom coat hooks from gas pipe, something like that. In vehicle fabrication it’s common to weld o2 bungs on down pipes. Basically simple, small things you make a bunch of. Speed is of the essence with making a bunch of something cheap since there isnt much profit margin. Having hard stops and clamps In position saves a lot of time.

Got the klutch one back in 2019. 150$

@M70ACARRY

3 ай бұрын

This looks like the Klutch table

@makingmistakeswithgreg

3 ай бұрын

Yep it’s the same. 150$ is a deal for sure, if only the prices came back to what they were 5 years ago lol

Too bad they dont make that with folding legs like the dewalt. I would like a welding table, but my garage is too small. i need something that folds up for storage.

@makingmistakeswithgreg

3 ай бұрын

Yeah, with the way it’s made there is no folding it up. The Hobart and dewalt are far more portable and can be stowed away easily. Zero possibility of that with the titanium table lol.

You found a needle in the hay stack.

@makingmistakeswithgreg

3 ай бұрын

Pretty much lol. There isn’t a store within 6 hours that has one. Not sure what the delay is on the stock of them.

Good product review. My new hobby is getting more expensive. So far I'm going cheapskate.

@natenate2280

3 ай бұрын

are you welding as a hobby or doing some custom fabrication also? because as a professional welder there is nothing wrong with most harbor freight equipment ESPECIALLY for a hobbyist or garage welder/backyard mechanic type guy

@makingmistakeswithgreg

3 ай бұрын

You are right, I have built literal tow trucks with a harbor freight titanium 225 stick welder lol. The old Chicago electric stuff is terrible, but the titanium and Vulcan lines will help build a ton of stuff for reasonable prices. Way better than half the stuff on Amazon lol.

@natenate2280

3 ай бұрын

@@makingmistakeswithgreg that's great to hear because I am parting out a mobile rig to start a side business with just a titanium 225 paired with a predator 9500 generator (overkill is underrated and I like tools haha) and a gasless fluxcore welder to start

I think this is the same table made by Klutch

@makingmistakeswithgreg

3 ай бұрын

It definitely is. The klutch table at the stores near me changed about a year ago and it’s 100% identical now. They used to have a slightly different top (it was welded on as another person commented). I know the klutch table is readily available, the harbor freight is impossible to get. Thankfully there are options out there to get it from other vendors.

Bet your local machine shop would flatten that for you for not too much cash.

These thin tables suck. Don’t waste your money. They warp in a hurry. Get something better like the Dragon wagon, or a buildpro. I wish someone would have told me when I bought mine.

@makingmistakeswithgreg

3 ай бұрын

The main issue is cost. The sub 200$ of the HF won’t buy you the shipping on one of those tables let alone the table. No doubt they are better, and make sense in the long run. However for the average person they are beyond what’s needed, or affordable. Anyone who welds to make money can easily justify a table like those.

@dennisyoung4631

3 ай бұрын

Made something a bit like this as a first welding project - 1/4 inch top - about 6 years ago.

@creeplife2802

3 ай бұрын

It's a lobby fabrication table. Just say you suck at welding. Probably only have fluxcore and buttfuck everything. It isn't gonna warp if you have good skill and use it properly. Obviously, fuckin obviously it isn't heavy duty. You're over here probably hammering on fixture tables.

@heliwrecker8649

2 ай бұрын

​@dennisyoung4631 was it drilled or solid?. How did 1/4 hold up?

@dennisyoung4631

2 ай бұрын

@@heliwrecker8649 solid. Has endured well, though with modest use. Was built to be dismantled readily with a few tools.

The way the title is written it makes us think that you think its actually Titanium

@makingmistakeswithgreg

3 ай бұрын

Blame harbor freight for calling the brand titanium I guess

I own a different brand of this table, don't waste your money on it. Its a pile of junk. Those leg cross braces are conveniently in the way of your foot pedal. It will warp to shit the first time you heat it up. The legs are so flimsy that you will be making proper legs for it day one. Anyway I didn't want to spend thousands on a quality table for home use. I got the Langmuir cast iron arcflat table. Its cheap and much higher quality. I think i ended up spending about $800 for it with the leg kit and shipping. Best part is you can connect more of them together to make a bigger table if you want to down the road. I couldn't have bought the steel to build my own table for the cost of the arcflat table.

Nothing with any quality comes from hf

@makingmistakeswithgreg

3 ай бұрын

Really depends on what someone is looking for. They sell plenty of stuff that is literally the same tool as big name brands. I recently tested c clamp welding pliers and their breman is literally the same as Milwaukee. They have numerous tools that are made in the USA now. Not to mention welding table wise I own dewalt, Hobart, Lincoln electric, and 2 harbor freights. The HF in the video is a better “welding” table than the other ones. Price is also a factor, the harbor freight table in the video is half the price of anything else similar from another brand. Really depends on how much money a person wants to spend.