Awesome Review. The good, the bad, and the ugly, all honestly told as it is. absolutely brilliant.

@45DegreesSailing

11 ай бұрын

Cheers James. Striving for honesty and reality!

Best sailing vessel review I've ever seen. Honest, concise, and great production quality. Please do more (different) boats!

@45DegreesSailing

25 күн бұрын

Working on it! Cheers :)

FINALLY.... A review from a person that has actually spent a week with guests living and working on the boat reviewed... Fucking well done. I can only commend you and hope someone from Hanse sends you a big fat check for teaching them about real boat life. We don't sail a magazine, brochure or in a hall at a boat show.... 👍👍👍

really great review totally honest, wish more reviewers were like you

Nick, loved the review. I wish all boat reviews were this honest and informative. Great job!

@45DegreesSailing

11 ай бұрын

I appreciate that Phil! I also met a chap on the dock last night who has been on a 460 for the last month, hope to see him weighing in here!

This should be the standard level of review. Period.

Finally a review that is honest and correct! Stick with your honesty mate, you already have a follower for life. Much love from Toronto.

You should do a lot more of these honest boat reviews. Watch your channel 10x.

@45DegreesSailing

7 ай бұрын

Working on it! And thanks for watching 👍🏽 The support is appreciated

That was a very honest overview. Hopefully Hanse takes note of some of these design floors. It does make me wonder how with all the design tech they allow these clashes to happen.

@45DegreesSailing

10 ай бұрын

I mean, nothing will ever be perfect. A lot of these design faults seem to stem from being designed by people who have not spent much time out on a yacht, so they don't realise something may not be practical or useful. And if we don't tell them, how will they know?! That's my point of view anyway.

please do same reviews on different boats! clear and honest!

@45DegreesSailing

11 ай бұрын

Thanks Erik! Will keep them coming :)

Great fast review!!

Great review - keep 'em coming! It's great when someone like Nick actually sails the boat and can share his honest thoughts afterwards. Especially when compared to the glossy magazines (Yachting World anyone?) where the "reviewer" just tags along for a few hours and then writes a puff piece based on the marketing material. And in fact, I would go even further - I understand that there were a number of guest on the boat for the whole week. What did they think? What was it like for a larger woman to take a shower in that crimpy little forward head? What was it like to make some tea under sail in that super-scary open galley where you'd be thrown all over the place? Exactly how akward is it to handle the winches from a turned sitting position (it looked pretty bad to me). Real scenarios and use cases are worth their weight in gold - even if the interior design very pretty to look at. Good work Nick!

@45DegreesSailing

10 ай бұрын

Hahaha no puff pieces here! I will have to ask my wife (a larger woman) to jump on-board the 460 next time we have the opportunity and see what she has to say about room to move in the forward head. I mean, I am not small myself but she always seems to pick up on details I tend to miss. I do know that we have sailed quite a few models, both Hanse and not-Hanse with long open galleys and she actually prefers it that way. But then we are in the Adriatic, we are aboard mainly in the summer when the winds aren't as blustery and she doesnt often have to boil the kettle when we're on a heel!

Finally a reveiw that's not just a glamorized walk-through. Good on you sailor! 🙏🙏👍👍

@45DegreesSailing

9 ай бұрын

Cheers mate. More to come 😉

Absolutely brilliant review. From someone that has actually sailed and spent time at the boat. The perfect reviewer thorough and to the point. 👌

@45DegreesSailing

10 ай бұрын

Very high praise. Thanks!

Honest review very refreshing

Very practical review. As owner of a 460 (2023) our experience with the bimini is different from that shown in the video. We have the Hanse bimini option with framework attached as far outboard as possible giving easy access past spray hood. In fact, we find access from cockpit to side deck stepping on locker just forward of the helm is very easy. As for the hinged seats at the stern, we do not have a central BBQ console so do not need to raise the port & stbd seats but still agree the small step down to the bathing platform is rather awkward.

@45DegreesSailing

6 ай бұрын

Thanks for your comments! And good to hear that the wide bimini makes the experience much better

Great insights from a Master, Hats off to you Nick.

@45DegreesSailing

10 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Nick, thank you very much for your honest review. The (down)fact with the step and space behind the wheel shocked me for real ... The solution on the 455/458 was so much better concerning wheelspace and safety aft.

@45DegreesSailing

6 ай бұрын

Thanks mate, yes I agree, this is such an afterthought. And yet ... it would not have taken much to figure it out!

I'm not in the market for this boat but seeing how you evaluate it was instructive for any boat purchase

@45DegreesSailing

10 ай бұрын

Thanks Kevin. Hopefully we can help educate more people around these processes! Thanks for watching

This time you did excellent presentation.bravo

@45DegreesSailing

10 ай бұрын

Chur. (kiwi slang) Thanks for the comments

Perfect review.

@45DegreesSailing

9 ай бұрын

Haha cheers.

Thank yo for this review. we have not yet been on a 460 but will now be very aware of many potential issues to look for and how they may have dealt with them on newer models

@45DegreesSailing

10 ай бұрын

Most welcome. Glad it was helpful

You can see why I didn't upload my Hanse 460 video review last year. We were invited by Hanse to film and review the boat, and it is great to see that some of our snags have been fixed, but there is still a long way to go before I buy one. We have been invited to their launch of the new 410 at Cannes this year, and the new 50, so fingers crossed all the cons have been sorted. See you on the flip side, mate.

@SVTONICBoatWives

11 ай бұрын

@@abcgang8048 It's a coming; I've been busy spending quality time with my little girl. C Cannes boat show in 8 days;)

@SVTONICBoatWives

11 ай бұрын

@@abcgang8048 Total agree, we are trying to find a better balance of more play and less work;)

@45DegreesSailing

10 ай бұрын

It's a shame that you didn't upload your review. We need more honest, ho holds-barred reviews on the interwebs!

Brutal but Honest! cheers!

@45DegreesSailing

10 ай бұрын

I am the most brutal with the makes and models I like!

Really enjoy your honest review of the boats! Would like to see you do one on the new Hallberg-Rassy 50. :D

@45DegreesSailing

10 ай бұрын

We were just talking about the Halberg-Rassy's last night with one of our guests! Mate, if you can get me on-board one, I will review it.

Like to see good honest review of boat.

@45DegreesSailing

10 ай бұрын

Cheers mate. We do our best!

Yes what a great review, Thanks for showing us the good and bad points of this boat. They want to charge you an outrageous price for the electric operation of the swim platform, that's why you only got a piece of rope, no pulleys, nothing. The ladder for the swim platform is a joke. Not worth buying the boat with that setup. Oh, and good luck getting the teak for the cockpit seats from them, I'll eat my shorts if they deliver that to you without a fight.! I was considering one of these, but it brings back too many memories of the disastrous experience we had with the 505 we bought.... Not going back there.

This was probably the most honest and sincere review I ever enjoyed. Be that boat, car or motorcycle. Love your style. I also have a question. Did you have the standard engine or the option upgrade? Thank you for your interesting work

@45DegreesSailing

9 ай бұрын

Good. 😌 Answer re engine: kzread.infoSi_E8U0UWiI?feature=share

Excellent review with thoughtful criticism and analysis. Well done!

@45DegreesSailing

10 ай бұрын

Glad you liked it! Thanks for watching Johnny

Thanks for the great review Nick! I think this boat is one of the first hulls, since its delivered in 2022 (right?) which means some of the quality related issues are just because of the production process/quality control not fully settled yet. Regarding the bimini - I think the bimini is fitted by the charter company, not the factory, and the template is used from 455/458, which are not as wide as 460, hence the location issues. Autopilot location - I think it is the same place where you can find it on some "racing" yachts, so you are sitting on the side and have access to autopilot. But the design issues like opening of the lazarettes or bathroom doors - these need a solution :) Thanks again!

@45DegreesSailing

11 ай бұрын

Thanks :) Actually on one of the shorts I did regarding the autopilot control issue the Hanse dealer responded as such: "The reason for that is that with the basic navigation package you only have one chart plotter which is starboard. You have a key with a shortcut for the autopilot controls on the starboard plotter and you use it on the plotter while on the port side you would not have any autopilot control if it was not put there. If you consider it as this it is actually very logical. :) " Which.. sure, lol if you have the basic.. And if you have two full plotters? Then put it where it should be! 🤣

Good review Nick - re the anchor chain and bow roller design you showed, there is already a good/simple fix for this from Hanse, they advised the dealer network many many months ago. It prevents the anchor chain jumping out of the bow roller as youve seen on that particular setup.

@45DegreesSailing

10 ай бұрын

Thanks, would love to see what the fix is.

Hanse is owned by a Private Equity firm, so run for pure profit and therefore easy to see shortcuts in quality and cost saving. Not a bad boat, but firstly designed for a nice time in the marina or at anchor. Sailing qualities come after that and they are also not that cheap anymore with good spec

Great review. Could you review the new 410 when it’s available. That’s the one we are looking at

@45DegreesSailing

10 ай бұрын

Thanks. I certainly can! .. just have to get someone to give me one to review... 🤣

I had the same problem with piling up anchor chain in my locker until I switched from galvanized to stainless steel. The stainless folds smooth enough to not pile anymore.

@45DegreesSailing

10 ай бұрын

That's a really good tip. Thanks for sharing!

Wow. That was a good and hands- on review. Make sure you have a robust hourly and per diem rate ready when they call you for consulting work.

@45DegreesSailing

10 ай бұрын

Hahaha yeah right!

work smarter, not harder... you have an electric winch nearby to pull up/down the platform :)

@45DegreesSailing

Күн бұрын

lol yes I know you can do this. Not the point though. Plus given the angles its no a healthy way to lift such a weight pivoting on the pushpit rails. And, if people are not aware and careful then they can overwinch it and damage the platform and the pushpit. This is more to demonstrate what in my mind is a design fault. I think manual lift should not be an option and this needs an electric lift on it.

Great video. Thanks for sharing. Any thoughts or plans for a review on Elan Impression 45? Thanks and Cheers!

@45DegreesSailing

6 ай бұрын

You are most welcome. I have not got one in the pipeline, though if anyone has one (charter company or private) that they would put up for review I would gladly do it! Spread the word ;)

Guess what my boat is getting overhauled and getting a lot of new upgrades so excited also really nice boat

Interesting comments, I am considering buying a 460. if I am correct you can have dual throttle controls mounted on the panel at each helm position it’s an optional extra. I would agree about that little step at the stern and the lazarette The boarding ladder comment was very interesting and I would have to find another method along with installing stainless plates on the Bow Spirit either side of the anchor roller. I know it’s sound bizarre, but I feel there are always modifications that you would make to make the seats work. But great overview

@gjohanl

11 ай бұрын

Wow. You should really consider alternatives or wait until you have seen or better, sailed improved version. That anchor chain and constraints around the helm station are not acceptable compromises. Unless you are going to love in port. This is not a sailor’s design.

@stevebrunning3432

11 ай бұрын

@@gjohanl hi, I have looked at the the 460 several times. In fact when you take your time and research other yachts all have there problems. I haven’t found one yet were I won’t be investing in modifications, but the new 460 ticks most of the boxes and this is nothing that can’t be fixed with the right investment and selections etc. However the more I learn the better the schedule ready for discussion at the point of purchase.

@cjb486

10 ай бұрын

Re the anchor chain and bow roller design - there is already a good/simple fix for this from Hanse, they advised the dealer network many months ago. It prevents the anchor chain jumping out of the bow roller.

@45DegreesSailing

6 ай бұрын

Great to see the conversation around this. And there is always a way to adapt certain issues. The bow roller issue is not a hard fix at all. So as much as I see it as a design flaw, its manageable at low cost. The seats are more about which configuration suits your needs then up the quality and execution. And yes as an optional (quite pricey) extra you can go to electric throttle and a second throttle on the other helm station. I like this configuration.

@45DegreesSailing

6 ай бұрын

Yes I have not seen it implemented yet or tested it, I will certainly report back once I do :)

Great review, thanks for this. I wonder how Hanse 460 was awarded as the boat of the year? according to what criterias?

@45DegreesSailing

10 ай бұрын

Thanks mate. Yes its hard to understand exactly why they award this. Innovation.. aesthetics.. meh. Still a great boat. Just some issues that could be ironed out.

I always see you on Hanse and Bavaria. I wonder what you'd think of Elan? There are many in Croatia you should give it a try 🤷🏻‍♂️

@45DegreesSailing

4 ай бұрын

I will get some time on an elan this season. Some of them I like. Some I really do not! I review what I can get access to. If you know anyone wanting new to review a yacht and they will give it to me for 3 days or more let me know! Especially the new GT6 😉

This is the first design of Hanse, which Med boat owners would like, in terms of seriously increased refrigeration capacity, and also higher volume holding tanks. However you have to have 3 cabin 3 head version, or preferably workshop room version instead of ster starboard head which a deep freeze and washer dryer could be mounted, but definetely not 4 cabin layout. Until you have shown I did not realised how difficult to open the cockpit closet due to wrong design of table. Also the plce behind the steering wheel is not safe. Hydraulically opened transom is a must no way. I have a question. Would you advice second forestay and reacher which according to my point of view this should be driven electrically. Overal this boat is sufficiant if you are not looking for excellency. Thank you for your good presentation which I believe potential buyers should definetely see

@45DegreesSailing

6 ай бұрын

Thanks for the comments. Other hanse' have had the fridge capacity it just needs to be ordered. I would advise for an owner boat yes. And the electric furler is a luxury to have. I used this system on the 588, Mischief. I loved it.

We had 8 people on a 2023 5 cabin layout last month out of Kastela. Wider Bimini was much easier to get around but it was shorter. Sunburnt back if you were at the helm too long. Manual winches and non furling main were a LOT of work. Raising the main Became a 2 person job. No rear thruster and yeah, steering in reverse was not very responsive. Its a very beamy boat. Rear stb berth didn't have that ramp and were most roomy I have ever been in. Could sit up in bed even. But no AC and rear berths have HORRIBLE airflow. Bunk bed berth also had no airflow. Was very stuffy air back there. LARGE boat, very spacious, but also sailed much better than expected for the size. We got to 9knts in 22knt wind. Cutting corners on features and options gave a lot of the crew and underwhelming opinion on what could have been a superior boat for a large group.

@45DegreesSailing

11 ай бұрын

Great comments thank you! Yes airflow in aft... non existent. Best trick for that was saloon hatches open and cabin doors open to get it through. And you needed a decent breeze for that. Good to hear the bimini was less of an issue.

Would love to see your review of an X Yacht…especially an X4.9 or X4.6

❤ awesome, common sense has a big part to play here, hey hanse yachts what is going on. 😮

@45DegreesSailing

10 ай бұрын

Too right.

So interesting to see just how bad of a "review" yachting world" and "yachting monthly" have made on this boat. They basically sugar coat it, say it is perfect and make a 10 minute walkthrough of the boat. Yachting world, (who has a lot of respect, and for many people is the ultimate journalist agency in the marine industry) have made a review with the designer of the boat literally sitting behind the helm. You can't criticise the boat properly if the designer is onboard. And it's not like the designer Olivio Raccopo added any value to the "review", he just sat there making sure the boat ad is going well. Yachting monthly literally wrote in the title of their review that the boat is "hard to fault". The point I'm trying to make is just how much this channel has grown, and how good the quality of the content actually is. This is a real review: you pointed out the good, the bad and the ugly aspects of this boat. Keep up the good work Nick and I think we could see this channel explode in popularity in a couple years time.

@45DegreesSailing

10 ай бұрын

Thanks Lovro! That is exactly what we are trying to achieve with these reviews. In all honestly, I really enjoyed my time on the Hanse 460 and think it's a great boat. Anyone who watches my channel (and I think you watch more than most! Certainly with a keener eye than many) knows how much we love Hanse. And nothing is perfect. There are always aspects that can be improved upon. I will never make a yacht review ONLY about what is good about a particular model or vessel. I will actually probably be harder on the makes and models I enjoy because I want them to be the best they can be. Because you're absolutely bang on. There are far too many so-called "reviews" out there that are simply ads. They don't go over the boat with a critical eye and call out the good, the bad and the ugly. The transparency is lacking and I think it does a disservice to the industry. The team and I have really enjoyed your support, your comments and your perspective. Keep it rolling. And maybe one day we can get you to feature on the channel!

Oh. And you forgot to mention, Hanse sold more 460’s in its first year compared to all 458’s in its entire production lifetime.

@45DegreesSailing

6 ай бұрын

Interesting note. Cheers

Would the winch motor be a suitable way of raising the swim platform?

@45DegreesSailing

10 ай бұрын

It could be but the angle that you would pull at it is not suitable. It needs to be customised so that the pull is from a practical angle from beneath the deck height.

what's your favorite boat, and why?

@45DegreesSailing

6 ай бұрын

Uff, that is a very loaded question for me! It really does depend on the purpose I am heading out with.. Out of the yachts I sail often, and have really good experience on to be able to comment. It would be the Hanse 548. There is a long list of reasons why that I probably need to make a video on! To make a short list.. Size. at 55ft I find her incredibly manoeuvrable and roomy. Great for many circumstances Speed. She is a quick boat given her comfort level, weight and price tag Cabin layout. Brilliant use of space and master cabin still with a 4cabin layout and big bathroom

How can Hanse produce a vessel with so many flaws? I was considering chartering one last year and we didn't do it because of the self tacking job (we like to have a little work during manoeuvres). Luckily we have opted for an Elan 45.1.

@45DegreesSailing

10 ай бұрын

Yeah, bimini placement makes a huge difference. Glad to hear that the Hanse factory option gives more room and ease of movement.

@cjb486

10 ай бұрын

The 460 can be ordered with either the self tacking jib, or a 105% genoa - take your pick

Can you not winch up the platform with the electric winch?

@45DegreesSailing

3 ай бұрын

You can, and it is set up like this on this yacht. It is not a nice/rounded and good system though. And you need to be very careful with the electric winch as it is too powerful for this job.

Yes the platform is heavy therefore we have an electric one. The charter company who supplied your boat installed a very stupid solution without a pulley. Also you were unnecessary hard on the missing teak on the seats. This was a 2022 model, which means production started in 2021. All manufacturers had supply chain issues due to the pandemic, especially on teak. The info I received is that some manufacturers have decided to stop using real teak and will offer only pvc instead. Regarding the seat in front of the port helm, this is optional. You can leave it out. Next the bathing platform, you can have either a ladder or stairs, it’s up to the customer. The Bimini, same issue. Most charter companies instal this in Croatia and it’s not necessarily supplied by Hanse.

@45DegreesSailing

6 ай бұрын

Thank you for your feedback and these points you have raised. I am aware about the options the charter companies have and their part in it. Curios though.. If supply is short and another option is needed, do you think they should fulfil orders already paid and delivered incorrectly before the new yachts?

Question. Did you find it was a bit of a pig and very rolly downwind with that massive boxy rear end?

@45DegreesSailing

10 ай бұрын

Hey Paul. No I was surprised that it went quite well in the conditions I had. Though I didn't get into a big swell by any means.

What is your favourite Hanse?

@45DegreesSailing

6 ай бұрын

508/548/588... and would be the 548 out of those.

@dwk8081

6 ай бұрын

Appreciate the reply. Thank you

@45DegreesSailing

6 ай бұрын

You are most welceom@@dwk8081

Do you know the boats with are not requiring for moving of chains 😮

@45DegreesSailing

3 ай бұрын

Im sorry I dont understand the question. Could you rephrase it for me?

@maksym7445

3 ай бұрын

@@45DegreesSailing I’m sorry there’s a typo, I mean- have you seen a boat without the issue of moving the anchor chain in the chain locker?

@45DegreesSailing

3 ай бұрын

@@maksym7445 aha! Yes there is a number of them. In Hanse the 508, 548 and 588 have no issue at all. Bavaria 46, 51 are good too. There are quite a few. You just the vertical drop and lower comparment for the chain.

7 min into this video and I know I will never want to own a Hanse. Helmsman’s safety should be priority. I rather prefer Jenneau’s approach around the helm station

@45DegreesSailing

6 ай бұрын

Interesting comment.. as it is not a 'Hanse' design trait across the board, more this particular design. For instance the 548 closed cockpit area is brilliant safety for kids and adults alike in a seaway. I really like it.

OMG, sometimes yachting I am thinking who design yacht as there are tons of stupid, impractical solutions everywhere. Do they even yacht themselfs and try their desigs in practice or are they just theoretical designers😢

@45DegreesSailing

9 ай бұрын

Yep there is certainly a strange mix going on!

I am a kiwi with a chainsaw I can fix the table for you if needed?

@45DegreesSailing

4 ай бұрын

lol I will keep it in mind ;)

Anoth❤er poorly engineered production boat, I bet the stringers are just glued in not tabbed

@45DegreesSailing

10 ай бұрын

I mean, there are definitely positives about this boat. And, as always, there are negatives too.

I will never buy another Hanse. Huge QC issues, furniture falling apart frequently, main bulkhead nit glassed in properly causing the mast step to collapse. Refrigeration was installed with no path out for the rejected heat. Terrible sails as standard. These boats are built by factory workers not boatbuilders, and they are managed by people who are focussed on saving money above all else.

@45DegreesSailing

10 ай бұрын

Interesting opinion. What model did you buy/own?

@deerfootnz

10 ай бұрын

@@45DegreesSailing I had a 430e. It was terrible. Most production boats are to some extent "terrible", or at least compromised by cost cutting and shortcuts, but the Hanse was another level. I wouldn't touch one again.

@45DegreesSailing

10 ай бұрын

@@deerfootnz fair enough. Yes I have been on the 430e. And sailed the 470e's quite a lot. Hanse was doing the aluminium frame at that point is that right? I actually really enjoyed the 470. Sailed fantastic. Certainly a few issues with the design, some with the build. But it actually moved me towards Hanse not away from it. Design and build has changed a lot since then. Sitting on the Hanse 548 replying to you right now. One of my favourite yachts. Sorry to hear the experience was that bad!

@deerfootnz

10 ай бұрын

@@45DegreesSailing no aluminium frame in the 430. The J&V hull design was good, but the sails were appalling. Crosscut Dacron from North's Turkey that were done 5 minutes after they were sheeted on. The boat was so riven with quality issues that it was hard to comprehend. I have alot of experience delivering yachts so I am familiar with most production boat issues, but the Hanse took low quality to a new level. We did something over 10,000 miles at an average of 7 knots so not slow. The best day was 226 miles though with around 45 miles of current assisting. Downwind it was quick-ish but the terrible sails meant that upwind was hopeless.