1 like = 1 Prayer For The Writers To Not Do A Terrible Job With Borderlands 4

@8thgod769

Жыл бұрын

Hey who are u??? Why are u just all up in my feed on KZread do I need to subscribe or something with this amazing content this should be outlawed

@laughingman7467

11 ай бұрын

My take is remaster and add in NEW events for BL2. You can save Roland and you can spare/save Jack. But those are CANON events that make BL2 BL2. Or make short BL game AWAAAY from the main story with soo much good little things: -You have an NPC companion with a competent AI that'll help and interact with your character in and outside of a cutscene or action sequence. -make the companion characters AI have a karma rating that'll play a big role in the players ending. Like >give them legendaries and good gear = good ending >give them crap guns and bad loot = bad ending + they'll steal your guns from your inventory. Since it's a short game, I'd make this side story BL game a rogue like with 5 chapters and 9 levels. Grinding for good loot will be thrown out the window in favor of making do with the rng loot that'll be awarded to you and the companion character at the end of each level and chapter and so on... This is such and anti-thesis to BL main end goal of hoarding good loot, for the sake of replayability and character building. Oh and this is all to MAKE a character interact with you as much as handsome jack did in BL2, but the way that character will turn out, will be at the mercy of the players play through.

@OpoOnTheGo

10 ай бұрын

Borderlands 4 antagonists: a tiktoker, elon musk, and Colleen Ballinger. Inb4 catboi protag

Handsome Jack is only really a problem for Gearbox because their writers simply seem not good enough writers to make a character even remotely as good as Jack. Whatever happened to the writing team between 2 and 3 has been such a massive downgrade

@DemonSlayer648

11 ай бұрын

Say what you want about Wonderlands but The Dragon Lord is proof that is not true. And despite all of the games problems he is actually the first bad guy to seem like he wasn't living in Handsome Jack's shadow or Handsome Jack archetype with a twin who is also a Handsome Jack archetype with a business partner buddy who is a Handsome Jack archetype.

@darkmetal2412

4 ай бұрын

Honestly I think the campaign was a misfortunate fluke, most the DLC stories proves that. I just finished the Guns and Tentacle DLC and it was a ton of fun for me.

@sirdave2985

2 ай бұрын

I think the only thing to make a good villain for the next BL game is turning someone of the vault hunters evil and make him the main villain...lets say...bad lilith?

@SoulKiller7Eternal

Ай бұрын

@@sirdave2985 getting to kill Lilith? Good. That would be 100% worth playing, simply for that alone.

"Somehow... Handsome Jack has returned." - Borderlands 4, The Rise of Mordecai

@maxdredd4927

Жыл бұрын

And ava being the main hero

@ItsyourboyPenguinboy

5 ай бұрын

Lmao 😂

@201hastings

3 ай бұрын

I mean he is in AI form in the Handsome Jackhammers SMG and always threatening you to release him.

@user-tm8cc4bs5n

5 күн бұрын

@@maxdredd4927 thats the biggest piece of dog shi

Timothy Lawrence is a great character that can return, he is very different from Jack, despite "being" him. He should be allowed to return occasionally as his own character. Krieg got done dirty in base BL3, but his character in the the DLC was done so perfectly, the expansion of his story and him coming to terms with himself was smart and you could tell the writers did that from the heart. Shoehorning Jack back into the story through Rhys would be a mistake, his story is done, we know everything about him and how far he went, and even in BL3 we get the final pieces of his life, and Angel's broken life. If any character's motives deserve to show back up, show us the TRUE Eridians. We have only seen The Watcher...twice in TPS, and even then we have no idea what their goal was since Gearbox hasn't followed up on that story line at all yet. Spin-offs aside, there is only so much left to do with this universe. Possibly deal with the Eridians for good, then what? There would be no more Sirens, no more Vaults, no more borderworlds to explore, no more promise of adventure. Nekrotefayo was kinda disappointing, bring us to the Eridian home world just to have..no Eridians? There's is still so many unanswered questions that will probably be dropped again in favor of trying to pump out some more schlock like the Calypso Twins.

@Aqsticgod

Жыл бұрын

well jack coming back through rhys could explain the atrocious character assassination they did in new tales, but i agree, that would be really stupid. i would love to see kreig come back as a playable character with his mind now in sync with his psycho self, that would yield interested playstyle i think. but what they really need to do is involve the vault hunters you play in the cutscenes, cuz that to me is bl3 real failure, the story happens infront of us and what do we do? watch things happen and not lend a single finger to help? like wtf gearbox.

@aaronlaughter6471

Жыл бұрын

Everyone but Zero got done dirty by BL3.

@fk7834

Жыл бұрын

@@Aqsticgod yea this cutscene problem is a major one, player just dont feel lika a part of the story theres only one cutscene, where you really are present --- its when one of the villains hold you in phaselock (and thats it, no more interaction)

@swagguy7515

11 ай бұрын

while i do think the writers should have elaborated more throughly one the slag experimentation and general torture Hyperion and Dr. Benedict did to Krieg, i thought it was a brilliant and nuanced move to have Kreigs past truly gone and have Kreig make peace with himself and move on

@devaughnsalter6264

11 ай бұрын

I don't think we know Jack...not everything anyway.

It truly scares me that there’s a chance that Gearbox will butcher Jack’s character if they bring him back, I don’t want another Callipso twins

Keeping Jack would definitely be a mistake, and I bet the regretted killing him more than anything. What I think they need to do would be another game before the climax we've been waiting for, but this time it must be completely absent of the characters we already know. Since they failed with B3 they need another go to prove that they're good enough to handle the payoff they've been building up to. Something back to basics; treasure hunters roaming a wilderness plagued by monsters, madmen, and (para)military.

@fredcasdensworld

Жыл бұрын

So basically... Borderlands 3

@vadandrumist1670

Жыл бұрын

@@fredcasdensworld Hmmm, let's see. Lilith, Mordecai, Tannis, Maya, Claptrap, counting DLC Krieg and Jack, and on and on. What, do you think that just because the big villains and a focused side-character were new it suddenly qualifies as "completely absent"?

Handsome Jack in Bl2: INCREDIBLE!!! Handsome Jack in the pre sequel: Cool backstory, well done Handsome Jack in Tales: Didn't need to be there but Rhys cannonically gets rid of him so it's fine Handsome Jack in Bl3: Okay stop Handsome Jack in Bl4: I think it would retroactively make him bad in everything else

@JohnDoe-vs3fd

Жыл бұрын

HE HAD A CONNECTION TO PROFESER NAKAYAMA SO YEAH HE NEEDED TO BE THERE IT ONLY MAKES SENSE GVEN HOW OBSSESED THE PROFESER WAS WITH JACK

@themurmeli88

Жыл бұрын

It's the same problem that Bethesda has in Fallout series. They just can't stop putting Enclave and Brotherhood of Steel into every goddamn game in a major role.

@TheZProject115

11 ай бұрын

Handsome Jack kinda fit into Tales tbh....in pre sequel there was already scientists cloning handsome jack (albeit failure compared to the ai) it's not far fetched to assume that the most paranoid man in the cosmos would have artificial clones by the time bl2 comes around.

@ItsyourboyPenguinboy

5 ай бұрын

Tales one is Cap he was great in Tales, and he created the “everyone thinks their the hero of their own story” quote

@SnakeEater776

3 күн бұрын

i personally disagree with tales, i think he was perfect there. his speech at the helios crash site is quite possibly his crowning scene.

Maybe if they made a villian that was good they would use him less

@i_crave_death4660

Жыл бұрын

Yup. I personally thought the camp so twins where going to be interesting but they blew it with them 🙃

the writers need to not write modern day memes into the game. They wrote bl3 like 3-4 years before its release, and they used too much "disposable comedy" to make 90% of the jokes in the game. All they have to do is make the world just a little less goofy when necessary.

@brotbrotsen1100

6 ай бұрын

New tales from the borderlands makes me think they aren't capable of making serious moments anymore

I heard and thought about a theory of the theme for the next game. The borderlands war, that erupts because someone opens up a relic more ancient than the Eridians which brings back ALL of the dead, thus the entire universe would be at war. This could introduce the Eridians, original Sirens etc. but also bring back all the previous world goods and evils. The main story probably revolving around there being too many sirens, the universe collapsing because and to resolve it by resetting the entirity of Borderlands. Now in this scenario, I think bringing Jack back would be a good thing, because he most certainly wouldn’t be the main focus of the game, maybe it’d end up in a situation of “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” and team up with our Crimson Raiders. It could finally also bring back the dream of all Vault Hunters being playable in one game, redeeming the mess of Borderlands 3 by making the characters more redefined, memorable and likable. Now, it would most likely be a nightmare to write, code and execute properly and gameplay wise to balance and design. In the end, it will most likely not go in this direction and we’ll have to suffer through another Handsome Jack wannabe villian who’ll be even more mushed down into a “whacky” and “bizarre” one sided character

@Garchompppp

11 ай бұрын

This would honestly be perfect having everyone back and going in this universal war direction and they should probably just end the series after the next game if they do this right. Sounds too good to be true, I miss Jack and Roland.😢

I mean, they already have "Hero" Jack in Timothy. Handsome Jack's dead. Mabe just have Tim act as "reformed" Jack to the new villains. His character always struck me as Jack's "could have been". A Jack before be was Handsome, that hero who saved Elpis and actually did everything to protect Angel. If Jack's "one bad day" made him Batman instead of Joker. You could have him comment on Jack's actions, comparing Handsome's actions to their own and trying to turn antagonists from the path of evil through semi-experience. Gearbox can have it's cake and eat it too. Handsome's still dead, but Jack still lives. Mabe the DNA of Jack Timothy has was truly the "last bit of good" Handsome had in him and now Tim is trying to carve out a new life for himself before getting sucked into the vault wars. He knows what is in them. He knows what happens when people have that power. He knows the madness and destruction the vaults cause. Hell, he could be working with Rhys and Fiona to open/guard vaults to stop another Pandora from happening. Idk, just spitballing, but Tim could be used as an excellent narrative tool. A weird dynamic of an irredeemable but sympathetic villain becoming a redeemed hero and using his experience in villainy and to dissuade others from it. Hell, if Gearbox is hellbent on having Ava as the new MC, have Tim prevent her from becoming Handsome Jack, when her actions, like Lillith's, were going too far. I mean, he's got Jack's DNA in him and is a cool dude already, why not have him act as an "adoptive father/mentor". Tim trying to prove he isn't Jack by not being a dick. Handsome really did love his daughter, but that love was buried over a mountain of trauma and grief. Mabe have that tiny part of Jack amped up to 11 in BL4? Idk, that and the visual of Tim going out like Rolland by the new villain post-arc would is hilarious, disturbing and depressing. Laugh crying moment basically.

@ajlopez2243

11 ай бұрын

It seems like a good idea but it would be a fine line

4:30 My brother in Christ, it’s Mr. Torgue, he was a mushy caricature of Hulk Hogan from the start

@Greenhawk4

7 ай бұрын

Honestly he is a amazing character

If Jack was in every videogame I wouldn’t mind

@NickMorales-wy3zh

5 ай бұрын

Now I want Handsome Jack in Tony Hawk's pro skater

@lichylickyrick8864

3 ай бұрын

Just like Isaac Clarke

@kylerollins6483

6 күн бұрын

He’d probably fit in Cyberpunk 2077

i honestly believe they will use another weapon manufacturers ceo or other important figure of that group as the villain, since a few of them, no matter if it makes sense or not, have been used as villains. bl1 was atlas, 2 was hyperion and fight for sanctuary was dahl, 3 was cov/bandit and maliwan, new tales was tediore, maybe more that dont pop up to mind right now. i'd say dahl has a really good shot for being the big bad in bl4

@thesilentwolf7021

Жыл бұрын

I mean if you count Zarpedon from the pre sequel, Dahl was a big part of that, from the beginning to the point where Zarpedon dies though that was it, there wasn't a "main" villain in that game.

@grben9959

11 ай бұрын

Yeah, they'll probably make just make Mr. Torgue the big bad guy.

@brotbrotsen1100

6 ай бұрын

​@@grben9959nah make him a playable vault hunter.

In my opinion, having jack in borderlands 3 as DLC is a good idea, it gives them a good reason to give the fans the borderlands 2 flavour in the borderlands 3 enginee, I loved it. Especially when timmothy does the jack impression

@LFXGaming

Жыл бұрын

It's always good to know what other people think of the situation, If you liked Him in BL3 power to ya!

@weapieraxe1650

17 күн бұрын

Hearing Timothy impersonate Jack genuinely FEELS like Jack sometimes. I remember when I played through the Handsome Jackpot with my sister she thought Timothy was going to become Jack or something once he had the outfit and all.

I honestly think one of the best things they can do is to go back to BL2. Revamp the game with modern fighting mechanics. Remaster the BL2 Campaign. But... Make a new campaign where you end up working for Jack. The Siren would be Angel. Nisha would make a return and so on. I like to imagine Angel would be against fighting the Crimson Raiders. But slowly turns to the dark side and agrees with her father by the end. I like the idea of fighting against the VH's you play as in BL1 & BL2. Especially Lilith. Who has gone from an alright character to an obnoxious one throughout the past decade.

@laughingman7467

11 ай бұрын

Yep remaster and add in NEW events for BL2. You can save Roland and you can spare/save Jack. But those are CANON events that make BL2 BL2. Or make short BL game AWAAAY from the main story with soo much good little things: -You have an NPC companion with a competent AI that'll help and interact with your character in and outside of a cutscene or action sequence. -make the companion characters AI have a karma rating that'll play a big role in the players ending. Like >give them legendaries and good gear = good ending >give them crap guns and bad loot = bad ending + they'll steal your guns from your inventory. Since it's a short game, I'd make this side story BL game a rogue like with 5 chapters and 9 levels. Grinding for good loot will be thrown out the window in favor of making do with the rng loot that'll be awarded to you and the companion character at the end of each level and chapter and so on... This is such and anti-thesis to BL main end goal of hoarding good loot, for the sake of replayability and character building. Oh and this is all to MAKE a character interact with you as much as handsome jack did in BL2, but the way that character will turn out, will be at the mercy of the players play through.

It is definitely crazy to say that besides Jack throughout all of Borderlands, I can only think of ONE singular villain I resonated with similarly, Knoxx, however ironically General Knoxx fills the EXACT same role as Jack does but in his own DLC, even doing similar shit like giving you crap over the ECHO. Buuuut that doesn't take away from his dry can't be fucked anymore attitude to everything, Knoxx may have been a villain from years ago but man is he still as good a one as Jack albeit for a much shorter time with less fleshing out. I pray they do Jack the GODDAMN justice a hero like him deserves. But seriously they have such a well written character who has now been fully fleshed out, if they pull some Palpatine shit and do a "Somehow he's back" manoeuvre on us my God they have no respect for us as the fans anymore, (and if they DO bring him back and its good I literally don't know how they would do that) Borderlands 3 was a gargantuan smack in the face still to this day the ONE redeeming quality of that game is the Vault Hunters, the skill trees/personalities of the main lot really did carry the weight of that games enormous shit it took on Borderlands as a whole.

I still think jack didn't actually die and that was another one of his doppelgangers who awakens the warrior it been said he would never truly face you in a fight I would love if handsome jack comes back

@Greenhawk4

7 ай бұрын

Wouldn’t make sense as 1. We literally see the scar on his real face (the mask being removed didn’t explode as well) 2. The thing happens at the casino when he died meaning it was the real one. 3. Why would he give a body double the honor of waking the warrior especially when the real one would have to do it to control it. Also with the one thing you said sure normally he wouldn’t face you but you kinda forced him.

Jack literally owned Hyperion aka respond machines .. I pray Jack comes back and all the vault hunters are hunting for him through out the cosmos! Would be nice story tbh

This video was great too, I’ve been needing something like this bc I’ve been asking myself this question and worrying about BL4

If gearbox does decide to bring back Handsome Jack, the only thing that I would want is for him to finally be the hero he always wanted to be and be an actual good guy, like he could do an uno reverse card, which I think would be good enough of a closure for him so they can no longer being him back hopefully, oh and also make sure he does die in the end too so you know he physically can not comeback without that small chip he was captured in

Funny that in Borderlands 3, the best content, IMHO, was Moxxi's Heist. Putting Moxxi together with Timothy was a great story with a great ending. They should have made it Borderlands 3 and given us the crap that was Borderlands 3 as some kind of DLC. FusterCluck was good too, but not at the level of Moxxi's Heist. Loved the Video.

@Greenhawk4

7 ай бұрын

For some reason when I first beat it at the end when Timothy is running out before he did the freeze frame jump I was sorta expecting that his head would just blow up from the bomb for some reason

Fun fact: Handsome Jack is also in bl3 as a legendary gun. gun name Handsome Jackhammer

i like the theory about the jack in the warrior figth was just a double, they had bombs in the mask, it was either that or make the plan, jack gets you whith your pants down a couple times, he could have done it a last one

@Greenhawk4

7 ай бұрын

But he literally has the scar when his mask falls off (the mask being removed also doesn’t cause an explosion so how would it make sense? Also if you look at the handsome jackpot DLC the failsafe or whatever it was activated when he died also meaning it was the real one. Also you forget that waking the warrior gives you control over it and why would he give a body double the honor of waking as well as control over it.

technically jack doesnt appear in the weird BL1 mobile RTS/Tower Defense thing that like two people played but... nobody talks about that theres alao the old Mount Jackmore teaser game that he appeared in tho do it all balances out

i loved clay wish he gets expanded on theres so much potential

I can see this ryas fucking up so bad that he hunt down a copy of jack to help him and that what start the war.

Rhys is acting more like Jack in New tales but.. i think its better to just say he rubbed of just a bit

I know the Calypso Twins get a bad rap, but there were seriously underrated. At the time they were conceived (2017-19 range), online influencers were the superstars and had their own little cults. While they didn’t have the charisma of Jack, I think they were perfectly fine villains.

Considering the whole chain of events zarpedon was trying stop happened and can’t be stopped maybe the next game will be the destroyer slowly breaking out as clearly the one part of pandora was damaged enough for tyreen to come in contact with it. Like perhaps the whole calypso thing was setting up the real great vault opening or something also maybe the damage causes an opportunity for the destroyer to try and break free.

The hollaways should be the next villain we have next to no info ( except for gauges, backstock of them).

I think Handsome Jack as a villain has been used well, but yeah, if he got put into bl4 it wouldn't make any sense, given we know there's no more ai backups of him in existance. Think they should just give us the vault war or a prep to it and give us some more vault hunters, I wanna have a game that lets us play as new vault hunters as well as vault hunters past, would be really cool

@Aqsticgod

Жыл бұрын

playing a 4th siren power is a must

@sniperfox8806

Жыл бұрын

@@Aqsticgod truuuue, maybe tannis? I wanna find the 7th, as much as it's discouraged lore wise

Jack has two doppelgänger named Timothy There’s Timothy dopplemen and Lawrence

They could make it so since Timothy has Jacks DNA it would eventually take him over completely leading to him becoming evil like Jack and the villain of BL4

I think that whole rhys subplot with jack was what was supposed to happen bc in a reallly early build of bl3 promethia had handsome jack statues

Borderlands 3 and wonderlands felt like it was made during the writers strike

Jack is The Joker, Darth Vader, Sephiroth and Voldemort. He sets the bar when it comes to villains and best embodies the spirit of Borderlands. No other villain will match him in the series. Personally I want more Jack, but if they insist on a new villain, their best chance is with a 'serious threat with a sympathetic cause' type like Bane or Thanos. I also don't think it would be hard to bring Jack back, he won and got the H-Source in TPS. Have him put his conscious in the Hyperion network and let him digistruct himself. Heck you can even make it where Jack can only come back into a Claptrap unit.

Maybe they can somehow connect all of the jacks, the ai, the data in ryes or whatever his name is, and the dust from the warrior arena and do something.

Well there’s also the handsome jackhammer which seems to have the handsome Jack ai in it

@Greenhawk4

7 ай бұрын

I dont think it’s the actual AI because wasn’t it destroyed in tales?

Alright, this is exactly what uve been saying about his overuse of Jack and how they go about the characters. reducing them so much that its ruining their characters and turning them inyo jokes of their past selves. There is a name for this phenomenon:Flanderization. I hope this helps for the future.

General Knoxx was also a good villain. You are 100% right though.

Even though he doesn’t appear in BL1, Borderlands was Jack’s story. Although he was never even conceptualized in 1, he puppeteered Angel to make the original 4 vault hunters open the vault. Once he died and original Tales finished, it lost its main character. It’s very similar to when Rick was taken out of The Walking Dead, the show lost its direction but I heard that the movies with him in it is really good. At the time BL3 was hinted at, I hoped they had a cool, new big baddie but they were incredibly mediocre but now I wish they milked Jack more because he’s much better than the twins. Imo, Borderlands died when Jack did.

I hear this dude and all I can think of is the "you're a wizard harry" video from years ago

It makes sence he would be acknowloged in some manner on the games after BL2 considering the impact he had in the story. What we need are good writers who can work his legacy in the world in an organic way.

DAHL should be the bad guy and they come back to harvest the new resources on Pandora

Very well made video, deserves a sub. And more attention

@revafal

Жыл бұрын

I think jacks return would be interesting, My idea is jack helped rhys rebuild atlas with his experience as a CEO then in some spin off rhys loses control of his body and jack takes over and boom bl4

They need to go in a similar direction that they did with the third DLC for borderlands 3, Bounty of Blood. It was pretty much a classic borderlands story: a whole new, small, back-water planet, with a completely original cast of characters that nobody had ever seen before. Gehenna also had a big corporation (the jakobs corporation) fuck up the environment and be responsible for the big bad monster. It was a really good DLC and is pretty much the format for a good borderlands game.

@brotbrotsen1100

6 ай бұрын

Also liked that the humor was dialed back a bit and wasn't too intrusive, gave me hope... But then new tales happened ugh

There is a hint of Jack coming back - a couple. They are indirect. We don't know if all of Nakyama's samples were destroyed. Timothy still exists with Jack's DNA (which he was "injected" with - sheesh), and my favorite - Jack's consciousness in Rhys. OK, hear me out. In the Krieg DLC, they played with the notion of separating Krieg's consciousness into two parts. What if the situation of needing more Vault Hunters is so dire they need to "resurrect" Jack? We still don't know what all he saw when he understood everything in TPS. Maybe Tannis finds a way to isolate his consciousness...or maybe I give the writers too much credit and I should have one of their jobs. What do you think?

@Greenhawk4

7 ай бұрын

He clearly saw as far as the warrior and waking it.

Inb4... Borderlands 4 Rhys goes Krieg from fighting against Jack for all this time

I loved jack but if I see him again it's over!

For borderlands 3 I think wanright Jakob and the Danny deveto looking guy were good characters

@brotbrotsen1100

6 ай бұрын

Typhoon DeLeon? The first vault hunter dude?

I liked Fl4k, he was as done with bullshit as i was throughout my playthrough

I'm just gonna hope it gets better

The biggest problem with borderlands after BL2 is the writing. The writers are so fucming lobotomized that they thing "Reference 21st century meme, game good"

Handsome Jack is in the BL3 base game. I know you mentioned the Jackpot DLC but the sidequest during main campaign that tells story of Angel accidentally killing her mother has Jack in it

@brotbrotsen1100

6 ай бұрын

Yeah but it's just a few voicelines, i thought it was really inoffensive. For the DLC, we knew Timothy was still around and he isn't like jack. Don't know guess you could just shelf him but i don't mind seeing where the old playable characters ended up.

What about Rhys as a villain. I didn't play the new tales from the borderlands. But I know he got jack basically plugged into him. So he could get corrupted or something. Like doing Jack's work threw Rhys? Just an idea which needs working on.

Bringing Jack back is one of those "Damned if you do, damned if you don't" type scenarios. Jack is the most successful and popular villain in the series, they knocked it so far out of the park in Borderlands 2 that by killing him off they set themselves up for failure if they were to try to outdo him in 3. They kinda had the right idea in having the next villain just kinda be its own standalone thing, but the direction they took that idea in just wasn't... Good. Because Jack was killed off though, that puts them in a pickle for if they ever want to genuinely commit to bringing him back. If they go ahead with it, they are in a position where they are going to have to absolutely nail it. He can't just be coming back in some easily predictable way, it needs to be big, bold, completely out of left field, and feel like something Jack would and could actually do without getting too crazy or convoluted. They are also going to need to ramp up his threat level without that coming off as too absurd either. If they don't completely nail it, it's going to fall flat and just turn the franchise into an even bigger embarrassment than they've already made it into. Regardless of how it could be done though, there's a really big potential problem in doing it which is that it limits the series growth moving forward. As long as the series remains stuck having to rely on Jack, it can't grow into anything more than that. A better direction I think would be to just focus on the Eridian War plotline. Rather than focusing on a specific villain, have the "bad guys" be the vault monsters that are getting unleashed around the galaxy. Really amp these things up, make it so that these vault monsters are bigger and more dangerous than anything we have ever encountered before, really make these things forces of nature that require whole armies of Vault Hunters to stop them. Really lean into that war vibe that Pre-Sequel was hyping up. The story could just be that too many vaults have been opened up, causing the entire vault network to become unstable. Maybe the vaults weren't just designed to lock away monsters such as the Destroyer, but rather the entire combined network serves to lock away even bigger and badder monsters that grow stronger with every vault that gets opened. Now these bigger, badder monsters are starting to break free, and they really do need all the Vault Hunters they can get to put a stop to them and save the galaxy.

The AI is in Handsome Jack Hammer... But ofcourse that gun isn't part of of the Story. Kinda like GenIVIV Should be put into Messy Breakup shield by Marcus.

I feel like they could make Timothy Lawrence become jack, he has some of his DNA and And i feel like ,if they give a good reason for how that DNA might have controlled timothy and he eventually became a bad guy and we were maybe forced to fight him and help him or possible kill him. I feel like this is the best way to make him come back and make it sad like Borderlands 2 in a way and this could be a good way of ending him forever

@LFXGaming

Жыл бұрын

Maybe Even try Introduce him back into society and see him get shamed and made fun of so much he eventually snaps and turns on the characters

It will be timothy with a robot hand on 4 still Jack though

Hes gonna cone back cause he can technically be counted as atill alive due to his body doubles and memory chips & its weird how i never think of guitar solos when thinking of Mr.TORGUE i think... EXPLOSIONS!!??!?

@LFXGaming

10 ай бұрын

I Feel like that was the exact reason gearbox decided on having the doppelgangers and Rhys' mindfuckery, so if they wanted to bring him back, they wouldn't have to reach far to grab a legitimate reason

@Greenhawk4

7 ай бұрын

The body doubles wouldn’t make sense as when he died his face literally had the scar under the mask (also removing the mask didn’t blow his face up) and clearly it was the real one if his death caused the thing at the casino to happen. Also he had to be the one to wake the warrior to control it. And even if it didn’t matter who woke it knowing his personality he would still want to be the one to wake it.

@brotbrotsen1100

6 ай бұрын

​@@Greenhawk4Yep it was 1000% supposed to be the real jack in the vault at the end of borderlands 2. If they change that now it is a retcon, a very bad one at that.

Dude I completely forgot about balex 😭😭

Handsome Jack got gradually staler every time he was reintroduced after BL2. Though none of his appearances were weak or dull, the character really started to run out of story. To me, TFTBL1 closed his chapter for good and I don't want him to return. They'll just butcher him and probably tie his success even more to Moxxi... "somehow Jack returned"... christ.

He technicaly IS in first Borderlands, well at least he is the reason why Angel talk to us.

@Greenhawk4

7 ай бұрын

That’s angel tho not him

They need to overhaul the whole story cuz then they can undo their mistakes lol its told by Marcus (who isnt the most reliable source) 😅 they could bring back Handsome jack, Maya, an perhaps flesh out the story from TPS .

I honestly don’t care how they bring Handsome Jack back…crappy writing or otherwise…as long as they DO bring him back and write (and voice) him just as he was before. Def my favorite game villain of all time.

What we need is a return of Jack. BUT not as a villain, but as an ally for the massive galactic war that they hinted at at the end of the pre sequel. He can just backstab them as we expect him to... OR sacrifice himself for the team. Making him the real hero of the story he already thought he was. Going full circle on his character. Which, now that i think about it, sounds phenomenal as a concept.

i am utterly baffled that new tales exists let alone ppl who liked/took it seriously/played it

Rose Butcher in my opinion is the second best antagonist of the franchise.

0:45 Palpatine did it, so why not? 2:15 That is a tasty Plasma Caster! That's one of the super-rare ones, right? Pearlescent, maybe? 4:59 Why does Krieg, who's right-handed, wear a left-handed gas mask (see also the TF2 Pyro)? His right eye appears to be covered up. Is he missing it? If so, then he should shoot left-handed. I quit watching 'The Walking Dead' because they kept screwing that up. Like, half the character specifically lose their right eyes, yet they continue shooting right-handed like idiots. 5:10 Sir Hammerlock should shoot left-handed and should sling weapons on his back in left-handed configuration like he did in Borderlands 2. He still held guns right-handed for no reason, but only because programmers don't pay attention to details like they oughtta. Also, the gun in that back-scabbard should be facing lever-up. So if he's going to sling it right-handed, he should at least put the gun in there the right way. Otherwise, keep it as it is, but turn it over to left-handed configuration (and actually shoot left-handed). I know, I know. Ellie mentions something about all the left-handed guns getting sucked out into space. Most of the guns are ambidextrous. The only ones that are specifically right-handed are side-ejecting bullpups. 5:21 Again, why does he shoot right-handed? And if he shoots right-handed, then why does he sling long guns on his back in left-handed configuration? Third-person games get this wrong all the time. 6:19 Teacupping a single-action revolver while cocking the hammer with the thumb of the shooting hand?! Are we EVER going to see single-action revolvers in an FPS game that are cocked using the cross-thumb technique? That's the preferred technique for single-action revolvers (and is ONLY useful with single-action revolvers). 7:06 How do you fire more than two shots out of a breach-loaded double-barrel shotgun? It's different if it's a "tandem" or "duplex" system with all parts duplicated (twin receivers, barrels, magazines, etc.). BL3 Jakobs shotguns can have double barrels and can feed from a box mag. Of course, they screwed that up by having it be a single box mag instead of two of them clamped together. 9:06 Caustic Caverns Ambient

vasquez was not a particularly good villain just fun because of patrick warburton he carried vasquez character but in the bigger picture quite run of the mill character

They should make Marcus a siren😊

@brotbrotsen1100

6 ай бұрын

Only girls though so ellie or grandma flexington

Clearly Rhys still has Jack in his head. He obviously (said like Lockhart from Harry Potter) doesn't care about others like he used to. You can tell how he's more concerned with his relationship with Zer0 than he is with the wellbeing on his men / employees. He's more put for himself than he is the greater good. 100% Jack-n-ized subconscious

@brotbrotsen1100

6 ай бұрын

Seeing how zero was one of the main characters you played in B2 and therfore the reason why Jack lost, it would make more sense for "jack" to get back at him and not the bromance we saw. Rhys was simply badly written in B3 and new tales.

They're making a Borderlands movie, but if they make a sequel, does anybody else think that Ryan Reynolds would make a good live action Handsome Jack?

@LFXGaming

Жыл бұрын

Trueee

@firelordprometheus6345

4 ай бұрын

Personally I would like to see Glenn Howerton. Dennis Reynolds from Always Sunny already feels like a Handsome Jack-esque character

It's honestly a little sad that Balex of all characters is the most memorable from Borderlands 3, and he's a friggin' AI from Tediore.

@Raindrop511

Жыл бұрын

i don't even remember most of the characters in BL3 the game was really unmemorable and forgettable, at least the base game though, the DLCs were a lot better.

@brotbrotsen1100

6 ай бұрын

​@@Raindrop511Typhoon DeLeon and Wainwright jacobs were cool characters i think. Looking back i don't feel like they introduced a whole lot of new characters in 3.

I did like the mysteriouslier missions with Ava. Where her character failed was in the everybody's a siren and kill off a character in a cutscene poorly parts.

@brotbrotsen1100

6 ай бұрын

Yeah i thought so too, she really isn't that bad but the bad moments they gave her are really really bad.

Gearbox: **setting up the war prophesized in presequel** Borderlands fans: "How are they going to bring back Jack"

Hows about they bring back commandant steele and flesh her character out more.

@Greenhawk4

7 ай бұрын

Didn’t the destroyer literally kill her?

I personally thought that the Dragonlord was a good antagonist for Wonderlands. Better than the twins, but not Jack

The thing is tho because they clearly can write well, bl3 has some genius writing in the echo logs and every APART from the main campaign, the only thing bl3's story fell flat on was excecution. Rose is amazing, Eleanor was amazing, Clay, Wainright, Zane, Fl4k, all amazingly written characters. And for those who say handsome jack is the only good villain, General Knoxx was fantastic, Zarpedon was intruiging. It's just the fact that Gearbox has become a money making shill for Randy and its obvious. Thats why new tales exists, its milking what exists instead of making something new. The DLC's for bl3 are fantastic because they are fundementally new ideas for the series that work well.

I think we need to, instead of reusing Jack, we need to evaluate what made General Knoxx great. He was the O.G. great villain.

what about the first vault hunter. hes like one of the best characters in bl3

mark it they will bring jack back to have "the best" but by doing that they will just ruin everything

BALEX has specs for mad parsecs.

I liked the playable characters of 3, mainly Fl4k, but also Zane and Moze, though I'm neutral on Amara

Borderlands 3 is worth it for new kinds of guns like flame throwers of all elements

In tales Rhys got rid of Jack making his character arc better he was not ok with Jack being in his conscience but he did kinda feed into Jack when he wanted to benefit from him it was only towards the end when he realized that his friends meant more to him than power and purged Jack out of his brain seeing as though most of that character development was retconed in new tales and borderlands 3 i wouldn't be surprised if they didn't just say no rhys didn't get rid of Jack and in fact he got infected by Jack and was secretly controlled the whole time hints why Rhys is completely different than how he was at the end of tales and more nonsensical and assholeish in bl3 and new tales setting up the return of characters from tales and the ruining of more beloved characters because gear box just loves doing that

I really like FL4K but I see your angle on the new characters

@LFXGaming

Жыл бұрын

I do like the new vault hunters, I should've clarified that more my bad

@zackcitrus9171

Жыл бұрын

@@LFXGaming No you're fine! It was a good vid

We needed Timothy and there was nothing wrong with Digijack. And yeah digiJack is still alive in a gun which in my opinion deserves a real buff. The issues arise when you get Maya's death. Everything about that assassinated the main story and forced players to see the real problem with the game. The devs forgot how they handled Roland. You are literally in the same room when Roland died but things happened so fast you the player being used as the camera were made to feel helpless despite being part of the cinematic. Maya's death you are literally in the room but completely ignored like you aren't there. Then the twins and Katagawa. Those 3 are the biggest problema with BL3 villians. They all were given the handsome Jack Archetype without actually being Handsome Jack. All 3 were bad guys who some what treated you or one of your helpers as best friends while trying to destroy everything you love and represent. Those 3 felt so much lesser because of that. Personally if the bad guys are treated like their own thing with new personalities instead of trying to live up to Handsome Jack we could see a return to what is truly great about Borderlands. A prime example being despo Wonderlands flaws the Dragon Lord himself was actually a good villain with his own unique personality. If more bad guys felt unique like this then a return of Timothy or a return of Handsome Jack as a side character wouldn't be so much of a problem even if jack is the Digijack pulled from The Handsome Jackhammer gun line.

Even though new tales was an extremely crap sequel it did introduce the anahatium shards which can revive the dead and now that they're floating around in space in timm-e's robotic body it opens up the possibility for old characters to be revived

@Greenhawk4

7 ай бұрын

They died before the shards were a thing tho

@brotbrotsen1100

6 ай бұрын

The shards are a sht concept honestly but despite that, we only ever really saw people who just died getting revived. Roland and Jack died years ago. Roland's body is probably just a skeleton by now and Jack's body was in the vault so maybe the magma in there destroyed everything, if not he is still just a skelly. Maya was straight up turned to dust. I don't believe the crystal can bring them back, it brought back Fran multiple times but never healed her legs so clearly there must be limits since we saw that they are perfectly capable to heal a recently broken ankle.

@Greenhawk4

6 ай бұрын

@@brotbrotsen1100 her legs wouldn’t heal because I think she was born that way and that’s just how her body is normally and not something that can be healed.

This guys fuckin hilarious 🤣

Agree with everything you said. That said I'll still take them bringing back Jack any day over the Tyreen and Troy.

What ever happened to Helena pierce? I used to rap that until my brother got sick of me and quit playing

Borderlands PEAKED TOO HARD ON 2 and tales from the borderlands is the last greatest story we'll get, story wise. Gearbox doesn't deserve to make anything out of borderlands since then, until they make a new game that can replace borderlands THEN they can make another borderlands entry.

jack kinda returns in 3 he will be in 4 but not exactly him i dont think this is an issue at all hes a fun character everyone likes to see him being in 4 would just be better i think

Before i watch the video: The big problem is the writers... they forced us to kill the true hero of Borderlands.... I dont care how they do but bring him back... alive... its can be time travel or anything. I just want to help him get rid of those bandits and vaulthunters....

Not one good villain except for jack and vasquez General Knoxx 😏

The writers were not brought back for BL3 lol guess they just had Randy write it himself lol

The twins on paper were really good its just the execution was terrible I think gearbox knows theyre fucked because the only other villain I hated besides Jack was Lilith lol and that was 2kangaroo

Everyone I met either only plays borderlands 2 or they have played Minecraft at least once and borderlands 3 they complain about too much space and not enough content