Hearing Rich say "a proper chonker" is all I've wanted in life

@CyberBolt21

Ай бұрын

1:55 For the timestamp. You're welcome :)

@PortfolioPL

Ай бұрын

My new text message sound

@Plexipal

Ай бұрын

‘Cor blimey guvnor it’s a proper chonker that un is.

@Jiterdomer

Ай бұрын

"Proper chunka" on YT captions.

@captaincrunch7944

8 күн бұрын

then he held up a big carrot like bugs bunny lmao..it was so funny

Thank you for the extensive resarch. This was a very educational breakdown and expectations of all the platforms

In many ways, this whole handheld pc situation reminds of the the OG handheld situation back then. The Original Gameboy was by far the weakest option available, yet came out crushing the competition because Nintendo knew what is more important. Battery life, price, user experience.

@draco2xx

Ай бұрын

most importantly games, reason why sony can't compete

I'd really like the lenovo controllers to be sold separately. They'd be great for walking on the treadmill while gaming

@texusyup6207

Ай бұрын

They are sold separately. Gotta dog around the Legion Go parts and accessories page

@MeMyselfAndKgore

Ай бұрын

@@texusyup6207 sick thanks

@tominfhl

Ай бұрын

Why would you need to buy separate controllers? Just take the ones off the side of your LEGO and use them.

@MeMyselfAndKgore

Ай бұрын

@@tominfhl I don't have or want to buy a legion go

@MikeCriticalOps

Ай бұрын

@@MeMyselfAndKgoreso just use a regular Bluetooth controller

a 1600p handheld screen is the definition of why it's a bad idea to give people what they want instead of giving them what they need 😅

@bearpuns5910

Ай бұрын

Very good for Penny’s Big Breakaway and absolutely nothing else

@lechistanskiswit320

Ай бұрын

Nope - LenovoGO runs emulators, smaller games or older titles like a champ. Max Payne 3 looks incredible in 1600p, so does Ps2 emulation or 2D indies. Or Nvidia GeForce NOW games - in 1600p they look glorious. On the other hand 800p on Deck is the worst choice ever - even fonts in some games are not visible.

@DGFTardin

Ай бұрын

What about giving them what they deserve?

@HomeroGraco

Ай бұрын

It is not possible to run new games at that resolution, but this is actually a good choice. 800p scales 1:1 and easy to run as well as retro games can be pushed to the screen max resolution.

@elfrikicarlos

Ай бұрын

​@@DGFTardin So entitled lmao

The Legion Go is phenomenal. I'd had my doubts going in and was expecting to end up returning it, but from the moment I booted it up for the first time I was in love. The screen and performance are stunning, and that kick stand is way more important than people give it credit for. Makes it truly portable and easy to use in any situation, even on a lap on the couch

@alenkiu9886

4 сағат бұрын

Couldn't agree more. Had the same experience too. If Lenovo would provide constant regular software update to the Legion Go, this would have been the best device out there.

@Cub__

50 минут бұрын

I've definitely read much more praise for the device than not, I think with all the research I've done I'm going to end up buying one here as an upgrade from my OG Steam Deck that I've had for about 1.5 years. Do you play any competitive FPS games on it? Cheers.

Such a spot on assessment. I'm not sure why I'm just finding out about the DF channel, but the depth of the investigation is unparalleled and I really like the format in general.

a massive amount of work went into making of this video, thank you!

@flarkjohnson6785

Ай бұрын

literally their job lol

@malobuchino

Ай бұрын

@@flarkjohnson6785 so they cant be praised about it?

Very interesting comparison. It is awesome to see how many handheld PCs are out there. That Aya NeoKun looks really well build in thsoe shots!

the detachable "joy-cons" are a huge plus in my opinion, there's nothing more frustrating than an expensive mobile device rendered unusable because a few cheap components like buttons or joysticks are worn out. yes i know, there are often replacement parts on the secondary market, but they are often of a lesser quality plus you have to take your device apart and probably void the warranty.

@AKMediaCompany

Ай бұрын

Most manufacturers only have a 1 year warranty and most joysticks will last longer than that amount of time so that doesn’t present as big of a worry as you stated. Opening a device to replace these parts can’t be done by everyone so I understand that completely!

@vladislave7826

Ай бұрын

Valve has a partnership with ifixit, where they are selling genuine replacements for pretty much everything. It's a bummer that other options don't have such a robust parts support.

@Jaxv3r

Ай бұрын

​@@AKMediaCompanyone problem that I just realized,is that they will ever make more of these joycons in 5 years into the future?

@braukwood925

Ай бұрын

@@Jaxv3rhow’s that a problem?

@Deliveredmean42

Ай бұрын

@@braukwood925 Given that these device feels like they release every year, is not certain they will keep support like Valve's steam Deck. That has been definetly true with Ayaneo or the other one I keep forgetting.

Cheers for the breakdown mate, it's super handy to have this type of comparative content out there to really illustrate the diminishing returns on power output. Pretty impressed with the 75w hour battery on that one, wonder how much bigger these batteries can get

I got the Legion GO a few weeks ago, I couldn't be happier... can't wait for the full review

@ripearripear

Ай бұрын

I'm planning on buying one too, so I'll be waiting too ;)

@lalityadav6662

Ай бұрын

And how is your experience so far with it? I'm also planning to buy one of these devices so any help would be appreciated!

@jahblo666

Ай бұрын

@@lalityadav6662 I had the steam deck before, the non oled version and imo Legion Go is way superior.. more settings to tweak and the screen is amazing. I also prefer having windows as OS.

@CRIMSON-FLAME1

Ай бұрын

Got my legion go about a week and and three days ago. Couldn't be more satisfied with my purchase. It's a gateway to me purchasing a pc. Having the power to customize settings is truthfully a thing to behold.

@jahblo666

Ай бұрын

@@lalityadav6662 I replied to your comment and for some reason the reply didn't go through. Anyway, I am really happy about the Legion go. Coming from there Steam Deck non-oled, imo is a no brainer. Having so many extra different options to tweak is great and the big screen is a game changer. Also, I really prefer to have Windows as an OS.

I purchased the legion go abd couldn't be happier. This cunkey powerhouse convinced me to save up for a pc. I have a lot of studying to do to figure out what i will need to sort of future proof it so it doesn't get outdated to soon. Should be a great experience.

The Legion go is such a Beast!!

My 64+4 Ayaneo Kun is fantastic… I’ve paired it with a breakaway box & 4070… love the setup so much!!

I absolutely adore my ROG ally, it's a monster of a handheld with VRR.

@jgooner894

Ай бұрын

I wish all handhelds can employ the joystick model though. It’s sweet to put the screen on a tablet holder and play games lying down with 2 controllers having your hands anywhere you want, with a pad you have to join your arms together. Is there a way to do that if you’re interested in a certain device? Are there custom controllers that are joycon like and you can connect them instead?

@ayf449

Ай бұрын

Dose it still burn the SD cards? because if it dose no matter how amazing it is then it's worthless.

@elvin092

Ай бұрын

​@@ayf449yes its still

@ayf449

Ай бұрын

@@elvin092 damn... That's unfortunate but I feel like it should've have been an issue resolved before release of they actually tested the hardware

@ALFA-qb4ju

Ай бұрын

Can you download mods to it for cyberpunk 2077?

Another great video guys! I'm very interested in where the handheld PC space is going.

Legion Go with lossless scaling. It’s a very enjoyable handheld experience. Ayaneo Air had been my previous device, but it’s a completely different world of performance.

@Misfit626

Ай бұрын

Yup. Lossless scaling on Legion Go is like a match made in heaven

What a great review and work. Thank you for this video!

@mattmaas5790

Ай бұрын

Only thing missing is logitech g cloud.

I appreciate you covering these more niche handhelds. I got a OneXPlayer2 with the 6800u. It was devent for like 6 months then the Rog Ally quickley replaced it. I cant recommend it either. There are so many more affordable options out now. Even this one with the 8840u chip. Not worth the price when a Steamdeck and the Ally are cheaper and better with more support. But i love the variety these smaller companies offer.

This proves to be very useful, thanks !

One thing the deck did that I don't know why no one copies is the quad channel ram. The increase in bandwidth would help all these handhelds.

@stevemclovin1566

Ай бұрын

The gpd win 4 has quad channel.

@BurritoKingdom

Ай бұрын

Looking at the design of the Z1 Extreme could do LPDDR5X 7500 at 4x32bit. I'm not sure about the memory controller for the laptop SoCs

@MikeCriticalOps

Ай бұрын

I thought all ddr5 memory has quad channel?

@oo--7714

Ай бұрын

@@MikeCriticalOps It is, the phawx stated that the ram is the same and it doesn't really make a difference in terms of performance

I would love to see reviews like that of Hellblade 2 and Black Myth: Wukong when they come out!

Now THIS is timely and interesting topic! ..let's watch!

Great content, though very surprised they did not talk about frame gen mod /:

Great video. May I recommend a microfiber cloth to wipe off the dust from your devices?

I’m deciding between the Ayaneo Kun or OneXPlayer 2 pro. Great video

Fantastic work! Would have loved to see the MSI Claw in here too

Another Great video! What I would love to see is a deep dive on how vram settings work on these machines. Does auto really work because it doesn't seem like it or at best it seems very game dependent. How does that differ to what meteor lake is doing in something like the MSI claw and the intel 155h from an architectural level and how dynamic memory allocation is handled? Is intel more advance in this respect as in is it truly handled more like a true unified pool of memory (like on apple silicon) and where amd really isn't since we have to set vram amounts at the bios level? Is the auto setting on amd systems "fake" auto? What does it all really mean and how does it impact a variety of games?

Please make a video on what you think would make a perfect handheld, both in terms of the silicon and the features. Do we need 8 cores in a gaming handheld with a 1080p screen? Is having a higher refresh rate more important than VRR? What is the minimum battery life it should achieve? Answers to all these questions. OEMs (and AMD) might use such a video for inspiration to improve their products and it would benefit us all in the end.

Hope you guys do an android handheld gaming device comparison in the future. I'd love to see what you guys think of the Odin 2 Pro/Max compared to the rest.

Rich - when you review the Legion, can you (1) try it out as a PC / tablet for productivity, ie install & use MS Office, maybe some Adobe + web-browsing, and (2) plugging in a monster eGPU. Because, you know - 'one can'! :)

Great breakdown!

The Lenovo legion go has helped me through many nightshifts so far. Love it.

@uusrikas

Ай бұрын

I use mine 13w runs as good as performance mode go figure 😀

@draco2xx

Ай бұрын

are you a security guard that works in a guard shack

I have the Legion Go and I've been really happy with it. My only grip is that Lenovo seem to have this device on the backburner, the last AMD driver update for the device ~6months old.

Love my RoG alloy. Please DF do Lossless Scaling on these handheld game changer

@abdel1143

Ай бұрын

Somebody should do an Emulation walkthrough

@devonmarr9872

Ай бұрын

They seriously need to cover lossless scaling since it has frame gen and they need to cover reshade again since it is so accesabke now

@julioguzman1668

Ай бұрын

Yesterday it finally push for me the Native AMD Update Adrenalin software which natively does RSR for a lot of games. Cyberpunk look insanely good. Verify if you’re on the latest, I also used Loseless Scaling

@alumlovescake

Ай бұрын

No v sync or VRR support is massive downside

@isaacnilo3407

Ай бұрын

Is it good with it ?

Super cool video and analysis! I have the Ally Z1 Extreme and I've noticed the following: There is almost no performance gain above 27 watts in games When you disable CPU boost, the GPU clocks receive a clock frequency boost - but I have not really measured a tangible gain in FPS however 900p is the sweet spot for most AAA games, however - this should have been a native 720p 120hz panel, instead of a 1080p panel.

Valve has really grown as a hardware manufacturer. Remember the steam box and how much of flop that was? But they kept working away at Linux and they keep fine tuning the steam deck. Now it's miles ahead in terms of user experience. It's cheaper and very well designed system. It's hard to justify the cost of any of these other handhelds over it.

@AeroUNO1

Ай бұрын

Depends on what games you are playing. You want higher AAA games, Steam deck is meh. You want older games and emulation and whatever but still want a shot to AAA games, then steam deck is ok.

@hihihi1q23

Ай бұрын

@@AeroUNO1 If you're aiming for modern AAA games, no current handheld is going to be able to perform unless you've got them plugged into a charger....and if you're going to stay stuck to a charger, you might as well just get a gaming laptop.

Awesome comparison. Great job DF!

Goodness what was the over sharpening happening on the horizon Forbidden west parts of the video? Fsr 2.1 sharpening set to 100?

Seem to recall Avatar has two upscsling modes where one is biased for 4K and the other is targeted lower resolutions. Optimal handheld perf. I got at 1152X720 with FSR3 framegen and then RSR upscaled to 1280x800. Looked very nice on a 7 inch screen.

You finished it. Congratulations!!!!

I feel like a screen that's 2560x1600 has the benefit of being able to be scaled down to 1280x800 cleanly. Is that a viable resolution without turning the image into a smeary mess, Rich?

@DigitalFoundry

2 ай бұрын

Yes, that's a good way of looking at it - but no substitute for 1080p VRR on these machines. One good thing on Legion Go though is that you can set-up Windows for 120Hz or 144Hz, meaning clean dividers to 40fps or 36fps (25ms vs 27.8ms) - both far preferable to 30fps.

@mechanicalmonk2020

Ай бұрын

An issue with the Legion Go, last I looked into it, is that doing this cleanly in Windows is kind of inconsistent. On SteamOS it would be awesome to be able to run 800p games on the screen and get pixel perfect upscaling.

@GENKI_INU

Ай бұрын

​​@@DigitalFoundry VRR is honestly overrated. I've never encountered frame tearing significant enough to warrant the additional cost, complexity, and potential quality/performance issues of VRR.

@GENKI_INU

Ай бұрын

Only if it has proper integer scaling settings in the drivers of the device. Which I somehow doubt it's properly done without issues in any game. In a perfect world, the idea is you use an integer scaling solution at half resolution for demanding games, and then full resolution for older titles.

@MarioGoatse

Ай бұрын

@@GENKI_INUVRR is always preferable to not having it. Always

Still debating on getting a Legion Go, but so far really have with my Steam Deck oled and Rog Ally. Excited to see what the Rog Ally 2 does differently.

@draco2xx

Ай бұрын

legion go is a flawed system but good at the sametime cause of the poor battery life, loud fan, discomfort cause of the size, poor audio speakers, ill suggest you wait till they release the legion 2 and get the 1ex player pro 2

My GPD WIN 4 with a 7840U at 35w with Xreal Air 2 Pro is amazing for travel. Also 32GB Ram @7500 MT and 3TB storage. It’s a beast and the built in keyboard is infinitely useful

Those artifacts in Plague Tale seem like a VRAM overclock issue, are the handhelds coming like that out of the box?

The Lenovo Go looks great, shame about the drivers. Excited to see your full review when it's got updated

I have a Steam Deck OLED and I had an Ally. I liked the Ally for the 1080p, VRR and Z1E and the Deck for the battery life, console-like UI, better performance at 15W and sleep/resume functionality. I am eagerly awaiting Asus announcement on Ally 2. Hopefully they keep the 1080p VRR and make the screen at least an 8” with a bigger battery, add a touchpad, 32GB ram option and up the build quality (no burned SD cards and loose joysticks). I would totally upgrade to the Ally 2 if they just made these small improvements because Asus is the most refined of all these Win devices with consistent updates.

@SPG8989

Ай бұрын

Idk why Asus are the only ones who do VRR. It is why I have it over the others. Like you said if they can fix a few issues with the 2nd.....it will be amazing. I almost returned it with sd slot issues but the amount of updates kept me around and glad i did

Besides SoC, memory interface and general build quality the screen seems to play according to your review key role in these handheld devices. 1080p max VRR screen (ideally high nits OLED) is looking to be a sweet spot for these form factors. BTW I really want to see what Valve and other manufacturers will be able to get from the Qualcomm's X-Elite chips which should be an excellent choice for these handhelds if they manage to translate x86 code efficiently similar to what Apple did with the Rosetta 2. Most likely the translation will dip the performance even further and they will be on par with these x86 SoCs, time will tell of course.

Damn - middle settings cyberpunk at 1080 and its fluent gameplay over 40 FPS? Those handhelds are beasts!

@SimonBuchanNz

Ай бұрын

Hardware has been moving real fast to catch up with games! But you could get a PC with that sort of performance about 5 years ago for not all that much, so it's not that crazy.

@draco2xx

Ай бұрын

rip ps5 and xbox💀

I miss the swappable battery capabilities that old laptops had. They need to bring that back. I would definitely be that guy with a couple of backup rechargeable-swappable batteries with a 100w wall adapter and 100w portable battery charger doing a charge and battery swap at the same time. That would solve the battery issue to me personally.

No mattwr which handheld you choose.. the performance is extremely impressive. I got the ally when it first released and it has truly impressed me with what it can actually do. Memory bandwidth is what really is holding these handhelds back

AFMF has officially been added to the ally, be interesting see how it effects play

@Avoletta-qs6nf

Ай бұрын

In a bad way in most cases. FSR3 mod and lossless scaling are better.

Great video as always, one thing I've noticed though, that the ROG Ally seems to perform better using direct install OS instead of using Cloud Recovery. Maybe it's just placebo? But I've noticed less stuttering in Miles Morales using direct USB Install with Windows 11 vs Cloud Recovery, plus AMD Drivers seems to work better and is always updated vs waiting a month for ASUS to update their own. Can you please test this theory? Also to add, you can go past 30W on the ROG Ally if you use G-Helper. But like you said, byebye battery life. lol

I'll still never give up the Steam Deck, best interface, the OLED model is awesome, and it's just a marvel for what it can do. And all of the built in settings. I'd try out the Lenovo Legion Go just to have one as it's only $629 and $699, and has the Zen2 Extreme processor which is great. But this video just goes to show, you want the power of a console or PC. That's what you have to buy. Still very impressive overall. Just an acquired taste though i must say.

Ally just received an update with official Frame generation support. Game changer

@AuroraDawnxx97

Ай бұрын

Lol imagine supporting them with their crappy scam warranty

@hihihi1q23

Ай бұрын

@@AuroraDawnxx97 They've definitely got issues, but as an overall package, I'd say it's still the best Windows handheld in terms of gaming experience.

could you test those windows based handhelds with a linux based OS like Bazzite an Nobara? as you said, steam decks user interface is by far superior to windows and id love to see those windows devices using it.

I have a Legion Go and love it. Runs my games well enough. Often at higher fps than consoles as you can scale down details for the smaller screen. Perfect if you like to enjoy Gamepass as well as Steam. The only issue is battery life and so I invested in a 65w powebank.

@casasdacaixa

16 күн бұрын

How many hour battery?

@Andy-xn1lz

9 күн бұрын

@@casasdacaixaI get between 90 minutes and 150 minutes depending on game and settings

The Ally just got official AMD FMF integration. Combined with the VRR screen should work well for a lot of games.

Do any of those have removable batteries? And which is better - one of those or Steam Deck OLED?

Im pretty happy with my GPD win max 2, the keyboard is a big plus for windows at the moment. Performance is comparable to the other 7840u devices and the battery is also 67whr I think.

Radeon super resolution (RSR) makes use of that 1600p screen on the Go while running at Steam Deck 800p, set the screen to in the right side menu, 1600p and enable RSR, then set the game res to 800p . It makes for a cleaner image and more readable text on newer games that seem to be designed like 1080p is low res these days. The only downside is that it disables the right side menu's frame rate limiter and vice versa

I do love the Steam Deck OLED for certain games. Namely, the ones with decent HDR support. But my favorite handheld, the one I use the most, and which strikes the best balance of features, is the ROG Ally. The 120Hz VRR display is unmatched, and makes every game look and feel smooth and stable. I also like the additional TDP headroom over the Deck. Many games just don't can't run well on the Steam Deck, but pushing the Ally a little beyond 15W (18W is often enough) is enough to go from stutter mess to fully enjoyable. Finally, Game Pass is the biggest reason for me to prefer the Ally. It runs Windows, and the Deck does not (not at any acceptable level at least), so the Ally is the crown king of Windows handhelds, bar none ❤

Rog ally vs ps4 and ps4 pro . Please please please make a video on that .

Hope DF takes a look at the current gen update of Fallout 4 on PS5, XSX. Would like to hear some thoughts on Performance mode on / off as it seems kinda similar (above 60fps, 1440p upscale to 4K)

The Orange Pi Neo seems to be the one to look forward to, as that one is running Linux and its software suite might be more similar to SteamOS

I own Legion Go, and i use integer scaling on mine. 1600p. It's also the only handheld suitable for desktop usage because of the higher resolution.

@gatewayrealtor664

Ай бұрын

get GeForce Now ultimate membership and thank me later. it'll be as quiet as a mouse, ultra settings, reasonably high framerates. its a friggin dream with the LLG

@airruiz2362

Ай бұрын

1080p on the Ally is completely fine with that resolution and is the most common resolution used in the e-sports market. And that res is typically on a 24” monitor size. I don’t see how 800p on a 7.4” isn’t sharp enough for desktop usage for some. It looks plenty fine for me when using either my Deck OLED or Ally. And I’m a stickler for high resolutions and great pixel density. I use a 4K 27” for the higher pixel density on my main rig and the 800p 7.4” of Deck is no problem.

@V3ntilator

Ай бұрын

@@gatewayrealtor664 Yes, but i refuse to pay for GFN when i already have a desktop gaming PC and can play them natively.

@V3ntilator

Ай бұрын

@@airruiz2362 Connect Rog Ally to TV or a monitor and tell me again 800p is fine for desktop. ;) I haven't used 1080p for 12-15 years. I use 4K on one Gaming PC and 1440p on the other gaming PC. There is no way i'm going back to 1080p after all these years as it looks too pixelated. 1080p is fine for Blu-Ray on a TV, but not for desktop or gaming. 1440p is the sweet spot on PC in majority of games. I mostly use 4K only for RTS Games as higher resolution matters a lot in RTS.

@slowmercy69

Ай бұрын

How is the battery?

I've a Steamdeck OLED but mostly use it to stream my Xbox and PS5 .. battery lasts forever and it's loaded up with older stuff to run native if I'm travelling.

great video

Man I really wanna see you guys give the GPD Win 4 a shot, cuz I can assure you that runs even faster than the rest with the same cpu & tdp

Guys will u make a video about the Dodi's spider man 2 pc version??????

Visual quality is just as important as performance and resolution. That's why the Steam Deck OLED would be my go-to if I had to choose between them.

@crestofhonor2349

Ай бұрын

None of these handhelds have bad screens. Only the Deck LCD I’d consider somewhat poor

@cun7us

Ай бұрын

​@@crestofhonor2349 LCD isn't bad by any means, but OLED is just better imo. Call me a snob but I'm never going back.

After running dual boot Windows on my steam deck, I am just not sold on the windows handheld experience. It was pretty miserable and basically required a docked experience with KB/M. The steam deck is streamlined enough that my kids can use it and have a great time. Deck OLED is still the general purpose handheld to go for IMO. UI/UX is more important than raw performance.

@crestofhonor2349

Ай бұрын

Windows experience on these handhelds is better than the deck although if you are using windows I’d heavily recommend using PlayNite

The biggest advantage of the Z1 handhelds is that they have so much more headroom when you increase the power. So handheld at 15W they're pretty much the same as the Deck, but you can squeeze a lot more performance out of them in "docked" mode.

Does it mean that for the Ayaneo the 7640U would actually be more power efficient for 720p gaming?

I have a ROG Ally and I'm very happy with it. I use it as a desktop setup so the poor battery life doesn't bother me. Runs most games I throw at it at 1080p 60fps. Props to Asus for still updating the software with new features and not just abandoning it after launch.

What about the weight of these devices vs the Rog Ally? Especially the one with the biggest battery. Why was this not a topic?

If there are also OneX and Aya in the mix with kind of "mainstream" brands, then I'd also throw GPD in the mix, I kinda feel they're the only OG and creative, even kinda more than OneX, so as with design as with features

I can’t believe this had just dropped just when I needed it. I have a Rog ally and Legion go on its way as I type. In the mean time I can watch this

@mattmaas5790

Ай бұрын

If you have a desktop PC already, consider the ultimate device, the Logitech G Cloud. Pairing it with my 4090 makes it beat all these.

@JaggedDyldo

Ай бұрын

@@mattmaas5790 But you can't take the 4090 with you, so you may as well just use your pc. The only thing the gcloud does is force you to use a shitty screen.

@mattmaas5790

Ай бұрын

@@JaggedDyldo ? you can take the g cloud anywhere I want, and it's like bringing my 4090 wherever I go. The g cloud has dense 1080p screen is super light weight and ergonomic and has the best battery.

The 1600p screen becomes very useful if using something like GeForce Now Ultimate. 4k60 or 4k120 stream looks incredible on the Legion Go. This would also be the same if using a moonlight/sunshine setup to remote play from a main PC.

Just got my Steam Deck OLED in the mail. Should I have gone for one of these instead??

I wouldn't have minded a hardware comparison table in the opening chapter.

One of those new ones really need an OLED Display, as this is a must have part of the ultimate Handheld.

Any idea why the MSI Claw wasn’t included here? Just curious

The Legion Go display drivers are why I just use the AMD ones, even if it does mean manual install of the 780M.

Now I'm definitely thinking to buy a Steam Deck, Ally or Legion Go. Which would you recommend?

@Andy-xn1lz

9 күн бұрын

Ally x if you need to buy right now. Legion if you prefer a bigger screen or wait till gen 2 versions at end of year if you can

Is AyaNeo Kun worth the money? As compared to the other handhelds here?

I'd always go with the Steam Deck OLED, the others have nice hardware but I trust Valve the most when it comes to future support.

I find these interesting enough, but a bit too cumbersome for actual portable usage and on a long haul it can be a bit hit and miss as to whether you'll get enough juice from the seat to run them; depends on who else is in your row. Typically i'm already carting around my phone, one of a Vita or Switch Lite and a Macbook Air for a 14h flight to Japan and not sure where exactly these would fit in. YMMV

I have the Asus Ally ROG and tbh, on a screen that size, 720p is more than acceptable in most games. Of course if I hook it up to a larger screen, it looks pretty bad, but on the Ally's screen, it looks pretty good.

@ZackSNetwork

Ай бұрын

Nah 720p sucks the Pixels per inch is to damn low.

@gigazordx

Ай бұрын

@@ZackSNetwork Nah

Hopefully Rich asking Lenovo about the driver update will force them to push them out faster. Last update was released in December.

I love my Ally! It’s good enough for most games coming out. Since I play plugged in 85% of the time anyway. Title it won’t run work great on Chiaki! And the few times I take it with me on the train a power bank does the job getting me 1.5-2h of gameplay. My Steam Deck LCD hadn’t much better battery anyway but way worse performance even though I overclocked it.

Is there any benefit at all to be able to have 16GB or VRAM instead of 8 ? The only thing preventing me from buying Go is it comes with just 16GB of RAM since I plan to use it for light editing as well

@Andy-xn1lz

9 күн бұрын

Yes - the VRAM is split between CPU and GPU functionality so more is better as it allows a greater plot. The Ally X now has more and I expect all the Gen2 versions to follow the same pathway of VRAM, APU and battery upgrades

Genuinely interested on what Plague Tale Requiem was recorded as it clearly has signs of GPU artefacts lol.

Hi, is the Fallout 4 next-gen analysis coming? :)

@Digital Foundry Hi Rich, please take into consideration for the Legion Go Review, to set the TPU on Performance or 30 Watt custom mode and the system to Efficiency, as that way you can get a 10 to 30 % performance boost in most games, as the GPU part of the APU is receiving more power that way, and the in comparison already stronger CPU a bit less. In most games, especially the GPU focussed ones you are getting a way higher performance (more FPS) then putting TPU AND system policy to performance. Keep in mind to set the BIOS to 6400 MHz for lower wattages (15 and below) as the Legion Go at those power levels then performs faster then on the standard 7500 MHz, because it simply doesn't have enough power to drive the full memory speed and therefore performs better. Also the VRAM size sweetspot delivering the best performance in most games is 6 GB, and in some the newer Auto setting can be faster, but also lead to some issues with some games. Considering those factors and using the latest graphics drivers, the chipset drivers from the AMD page and the newest BIOS update the Legion GO outperforms the ROG ALLY in most games. I also never had those issues you mentioned in this video at all... Would be great if you could consider those points and also mention them to others in your video, as they are gamechanging in performance. I know those as I got the Legion Go at release and was active part of the great official Lenovo Legion Go group (part of Lenovo's legion forum) from the beginning.

ROG ALLY with the new AMFMF update has been a great performance update.

The most important part of our handheld is that when window makes a update that the company's behind these handhelds are able to keep up with them.

legion Go 1600p screen is such a beauty. The clarity compared to the claw and rog ally is a world of difference. A lot of my games run 1600p upscaling no problem.

@gatewayrealtor664

Ай бұрын

get geforce now ultimate membership and enjoy your beautiful beast which will now be as quiet as a mouse, ultra settings, high framerates. trust me, u can thank me later.

@lechistanskiswit320

Ай бұрын

+emulators, indies, older games, 2D games - there are literally millions of games which will contribute of 1600p - Max Payne 3 in 1600p is a killer.

@vergeofwill

Ай бұрын

@@lechistanskiswit320 just an insane machine. Loving the 1600p resolution.

@sijedevos2376

Ай бұрын

I don’t even play games at 1600p, I play 800p with integer scaling almost exclusively and it looks really good, better then it did on my steam deck lcd.

@oo--7714

Ай бұрын

Bro the ppi is almost the exact same, there is no clarity difference. The ally has a ppi of 315, the legion go has a ppi of 343. Games are going to loook sharper on the rog ally considering you can't hit 1600p in most games on the legion go. Running games at 1200p on the legion go is similar to running games at 900p on the rog ally.

Actually Lenovo Legion Go just uses the same screen they already have for their android tablets, Lenovo legion y700 2022/2023. I believe it's just cheaper this way for manufacturer, rather than order custom size screen for a handheld.