HAM RADIO: Top Band Vertical Small Garden /Back Yard Antenna - 160M band

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HAM RADIO: Top Band Vertical Small Garden /Back Yard - 160M band DX Commander MOD. Base loading Coil for 160M Top Band. You asked me to build a small garden/ back yard Antenna for the 160M band so I used the DX Commander as the starting point. turn your 80M inverted L into a Top band antenna or use your 40M vertical.
Please not that both antennas are a compromise and will not work as well as a full size antenna build for the bands.
Still have fun and give it a go...
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Cheers and Many thanks for watching
Mike - M0MSN
P.S. do not take my word for it, give it a go for yourself.
DX Commander

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  • @basiedp
    @basiedp2 жыл бұрын

    Just my idea for winding coils. I use nylon weadeater/ fishing line for spacing with wire and just leave it there and tape the lot together. Works a charm.👍

  • @WU3Shamradio

    @WU3Shamradio

    Жыл бұрын

    A fantastic idea for that unused spool weed eater line collecting dust in the garage

  • @richardpowell723
    @richardpowell7232 жыл бұрын

    Thank you. Explained in a way that now makes getting on top band easier for the wider audience. On you tube forever, as a reference point for the amateur community 👍

  • @mike-M0MSN

    @mike-M0MSN

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you.

  • @johnc3403
    @johnc34032 жыл бұрын

    Cyanoacrylate activator ?? I never knew such saucery existed :D I learned a lot from this video, Thanks Mike, John EI5JS

  • @mike-M0MSN

    @mike-M0MSN

    2 жыл бұрын

    Tis witchcraft I tell you... 👍

  • @philtuckerm0dpk212
    @philtuckerm0dpk2122 жыл бұрын

    Really enjoyed this video Mike. Thanks for taking the time to share.

  • @mike-M0MSN

    @mike-M0MSN

    2 жыл бұрын

    Glad you enjoyed it

  • @SuburbanDXing
    @SuburbanDXing2 жыл бұрын

    Another quality video from M0MSN...exactly what your viewers have come to expect. Plus, you indicated that this would not be a flame-thrower antenna for Top Band; it'll get you on the air but don't expect big results...so you "sold" it correctly. Well done, Mike...73!

  • @mike-M0MSN

    @mike-M0MSN

    2 жыл бұрын

    thanks

  • @wfwtheradioguy3414
    @wfwtheradioguy34142 жыл бұрын

    Good stuff, Mike. I might hafta give that a go once I get moved to the new QTH and get my Classic put up.

  • @garyh8315
    @garyh83152 жыл бұрын

    May the force be with you..... more variable capacitance plans? Another good vid of how to experiment. You have got the grey matter working....

  • @mike-M0MSN

    @mike-M0MSN

    2 жыл бұрын

    👍👍🙈

  • @timg5tm941
    @timg5tm9412 жыл бұрын

    Excellent stuff Mike!

  • @mike-M0MSN

    @mike-M0MSN

    2 жыл бұрын

    Many thanks Tim 🤗

  • @ae1tpa92gwtom2
    @ae1tpa92gwtom22 жыл бұрын

    Another fine video, always a gd approach, cheers, 😀

  • @kellypaws
    @kellypaws2 жыл бұрын

    Mike's 'not perfect' - better than my best. Dear, dear. Never mind. Hash on.

  • @mike-M0MSN

    @mike-M0MSN

    2 жыл бұрын

    😂

  • @iv3shf
    @iv3shf2 жыл бұрын

    I used something similar (same concept) to win the 1995 CQWW DX SSB on the top band, well done and explained MIke.

  • @mike-M0MSN

    @mike-M0MSN

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks👍

  • @woodybollox
    @woodybollox2 жыл бұрын

    Topband from the top man. Nice one Mike.

  • @DXCommanderHQ
    @DXCommanderHQ4 ай бұрын

    Mike.. I commented!

  • @anthonypeet474
    @anthonypeet4742 жыл бұрын

    Another great video keep that dx10 locked away I'm wanting some myself 😁

  • @ON8EI
    @ON8EI2 жыл бұрын

    Well done Mike. Top KZreadr. Tnx.

  • @DK5ONV
    @DK5ONV2 жыл бұрын

    Now that looks frikken awsome, Mike! Great Job done, sir 👏👏👏🙋‍♂

  • @mike-M0MSN

    @mike-M0MSN

    2 жыл бұрын

    Wow, thanks!

  • @aeron-mw7ofs
    @aeron-mw7ofs2 жыл бұрын

    Great stuff, very interesting thanks Mike 👍👍

  • @mike-M0MSN

    @mike-M0MSN

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks 👍

  • @markg6jvy135
    @markg6jvy1352 жыл бұрын

    Nice build 👍👏👏

  • @mike-M0MSN

    @mike-M0MSN

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks 👍

  • @barrykery1175
    @barrykery11752 жыл бұрын

    You did a nice job making the coil. Well done. Since the SWR is 2 to 1 on 160 meters, you may want to put an antenna analyzer at the base of the antenna and check it there. I was involved in the placement of numerous inverted L's for 80 and 160 meters. We found the feed point impedance to be very close to 20 ohms. I built a 22.22 to 50 ohm UnUn, placed it at the base of each inverted L and now they are have a perfect 1 to 1 match. Nice job on your antenna. I hope you work a lot of DX with it. Barry, KU3X

  • @mike-M0MSN

    @mike-M0MSN

    2 жыл бұрын

    Cheers Barry the nun is a great idea.

  • @ericgroce1125

    @ericgroce1125

    8 ай бұрын

    Honestly when I build coils a lot of the time I will just cheat... And I'll use a tap connected to an alligator clip and this lets me figure out where it needs to go Then I can also adjust it for the top end of the band or the bottom end of the band

  • @ohyeawhosurpoppy
    @ohyeawhosurpoppy2 жыл бұрын

    Enjoyed it again. Must of missed the "banana's"+/- report. Waiting for your video of ti-fighter capacitance with the force.

  • @mike-M0MSN

    @mike-M0MSN

    2 жыл бұрын

    The capacity is strong with this one. 🤪

  • @M7BCN
    @M7BCN2 жыл бұрын

    That’s brilliant.👌

  • @EvaderGuy
    @EvaderGuy2 жыл бұрын

    Brilliant!

  • @K1DTC
    @K1DTC2 жыл бұрын

    Well done

  • @woodybollox
    @woodybollox2 жыл бұрын

    If I bring you a plastic water butt round Mike could u wind a 136 kHz loading coil for the dx commander lol. Good stuff mate and all the best.

  • @mike-M0MSN

    @mike-M0MSN

    2 жыл бұрын

    👍😂😂

  • @M0JHN
    @M0JHN2 жыл бұрын

    Ingenious

  • @kevinkc3onohelijeepworld953
    @kevinkc3onohelijeepworld9532 жыл бұрын

    Nice looking air variable cap parts maybe next you need a inductior winder ☺️

  • @mike-M0MSN

    @mike-M0MSN

    2 жыл бұрын

    Well that’s a good idea.

  • @pd9rd
    @pd9rd2 жыл бұрын

    Absolutely fantastic job Mike, but I wish you would do some metric references to the numbers you mention 😀 73.

  • @mike-M0MSN

    @mike-M0MSN

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yes 👍 will do.

  • @markramsay6399
    @markramsay63992 жыл бұрын

    Excellent video MIke. Really well explained! Perhaps you could put the calculator website in the description for the video? Would be nice to have a play. Mark, 2E0MSR

  • @mike-M0MSN

    @mike-M0MSN

    2 жыл бұрын

    Good idea!

  • @cobrasvt347
    @cobrasvt3472 жыл бұрын

    Nice 👍

  • @TheEmbeddedHobbyist
    @TheEmbeddedHobbyist2 жыл бұрын

    D10 used to come as twisted pair cable, for use with field telephones. Used to make army telephone exchanges to go into the back of landrovers etc. Seen a landy drive off and rip the floor out the back as the exchange and 30 pairs of D10 cables were not going anywhere. 7 strands of steel and 3 of copper don't break easy :-)

  • @mike-M0MSN

    @mike-M0MSN

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yes but this is DX10. Callum use to supply D10 back in the day.

  • @TheEmbeddedHobbyist

    @TheEmbeddedHobbyist

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@mike-M0MSN does it still have the steel strands, or just copper?

  • @mike-M0MSN

    @mike-M0MSN

    2 жыл бұрын

    DX10 is copper no added steel, check out www.m0mcx.co.uk.

  • @g0fvt
    @g0fvt2 жыл бұрын

    As you know I took a different approach to the same scenario, at the end of my inverted L section I have a trap followed by nearly 20m of wire, of course on 160m the horizontal section being low to the ground does drop the impedance. On the positive it does work and does not significantly affect my 80m band (or the others), it looks like I can gain 60m too. Good to see your coils, a fairly similar process to my coax trap. 73

  • @mike-M0MSN

    @mike-M0MSN

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yes I was looking at a trap, however restricted by garden size, great idea the trap.

  • @g0fvt

    @g0fvt

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@mike-M0MSN I likewise ran out of garden so the top band extension has to come back in the "wrong direction" but you don't get a disaster of cancellation. I may try the loading coil, possibly with a Russian vacuum relay to bypass it for 80m.

  • @ATOMSHAMRADIO
    @ATOMSHAMRADIO2 жыл бұрын

    Nice

  • @mike-M0MSN

    @mike-M0MSN

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks

  • @Joe-KN4IFI
    @Joe-KN4IFI2 жыл бұрын

    Nice work Mike. Going to have to give it a try. Lucky you can't carry a tune or KZread's algorithm would have given you a copyright strike on the Star Wars song. 73 from your friend across the pond, Joe 🍌🍌🍌

  • @mike-M0MSN

    @mike-M0MSN

    2 жыл бұрын

    Ah I had to play down the singing skills just to pass the YT algorithm 😂😂😂

  • @Joe-KN4IFI

    @Joe-KN4IFI

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@mike-M0MSN 🧐 lol

  • @meggalavk3ktt
    @meggalavk3ktt2 жыл бұрын

    excellent video Mike a really nice coil you made you have inspired me i might have to have a go. also an over night rx on ft8 would be interesting i use a full size inverted L but was considering using a coil. have you tried the coil at the end to make it a top loaded antenna . ?

  • @mike-M0MSN

    @mike-M0MSN

    2 жыл бұрын

    I would have to almost double the coil size if I put it on the end of the antenna....

  • @brianfields4479
    @brianfields44792 жыл бұрын

    I did make a coil to put my 40m vertical on 80m , and it tuned nicely, but after comparing it to a 80m inverted L, I was about 2 s-points down into eu from zl, when using the coil. maybe the losses are expected with a coil.

  • @mike-M0MSN

    @mike-M0MSN

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yep 6bB plus. 👍🧐

  • @pascaldelbruyere
    @pascaldelbruyere8 ай бұрын

    Thanks for the nice video 👍 Where can I find the wire you did use ? Seems to be pretty for doing coil or wire's antenna.

  • @mike-M0MSN

    @mike-M0MSN

    6 ай бұрын

    DX Commander DX10

  • @Linas_LY2H
    @Linas_LY2H2 жыл бұрын

    Very nice coils! Would love to know how was it doing on the air. 73! Linas LY2H

  • @mike-M0MSN

    @mike-M0MSN

    2 жыл бұрын

    Coming soon! ??

  • @ON8EI
    @ON8EI2 жыл бұрын

    PS Mike, are you using the lc200a digital l/c handheld inductance capacitance multimeter ? Tnx JD.

  • @mike-M0MSN

    @mike-M0MSN

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yes I think it is that model. Great bit of kit.

  • @ZubairKhan-vs8fe
    @ZubairKhan-vs8fe2 жыл бұрын

    Please do a video on building an airband antenna for my handheld receiver. Thanks

  • @mike-M0MSN

    @mike-M0MSN

    2 жыл бұрын

    yep just might do that.. :)

  • @ianbardell8030
    @ianbardell80302 жыл бұрын

    Hi Mike, Can you please tell me what website/software you were using to calculate the inductance of the coil please

  • @mike-M0MSN

    @mike-M0MSN

    2 жыл бұрын

    Hi yes it’s. www.66pacific.com/calculators/default.aspx

  • @JReed305
    @JReed3052 жыл бұрын

    What L/C meter are you using? Really interested in making the coil for my 80 inverted L but need to pick up a L/C meter.

  • @mike-M0MSN

    @mike-M0MSN

    2 жыл бұрын

    Cheap on from eBay Lc-200a

  • @JReed305

    @JReed305

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@mike-M0MSN excellent! Thought that was the one but wanted to check. Thanks!

  • @raydavidsonm0ray.777
    @raydavidsonm0ray.7772 жыл бұрын

    Hi Mike, Great video as usual. You make this look so easy, but I missed the calculations & apps that you were using for the coils. Now please correct me if I'm wrong, but you appear to be going into Variable Capacitor Production. If so, I could be interested in 1 or 2 of them with the motors on them, depending on price. I follow most (if not all) of your building projects for Amateur Radio. My main interest is in making 1 or 2 multi band Mag Loops in order to cover most (preferably All) of the HF Amateur bands. Mag loops due to very bad noise floor where I live. I do have a DX Commander Classic, but I am unable to put it together & install it by myself due to being disabled. I'm sure there will be someone not too far from me in Sittingbourne, Kent, who will be able to offer me some help with it soon. I also have at my disposal, a 12 foot steel ring, the remains of a 12 foot trampoline, which I am torn between what to do with it. Turn it into a Mag Loop Aerial, or use it as part of the ground radial system with the DX Commander Classic, in the center of it. I don't have space for 360degrees of full length radials, but I have been told that, that dose not matter, as long as I can still get plenty of radials laid out for the DXC. Back to the Mag Loop, This is where my main interest lies, but the problem being the variable capacitor capable of handling the high voltage when running 400 Watts into the mag loop.? ? ? Can you please Help, as I do Not have the tools or skills required to make my own? Many Thanks In Advance, Kind Regards, Ray. AKA M0RAY,

  • @barrychatwin661

    @barrychatwin661

    2 жыл бұрын

    Are you mad??? 400W into a mag loop!!! Do you want to transmit radio signals or cook a full Sunday roast with it??? You can travel the world and some with 10-15W on a decent mag loop. Plus if you are sat anywhere near a mag loop running at 400W you could easily be a cancer victim within a very short period of time. Prey tell,,,,,, how much did your full licence cost you???? P S. You were robbed !!👎😖👎 Have you not seen,,,, there is a video of a guy from USA that had a mag loop on a back pack. He used to push 200W through it. Now, whenever he keys up his 5W QRP set he pisses himself and forgets who he is for about 30 mins. Some people should not be left unsupervised,,,, no matter how old they are !!! 🇬🇧👍🤫👍🇬🇧

  • @raydavidsonm0ray.777

    @raydavidsonm0ray.777

    2 жыл бұрын

    Hi Barry, No mate, i'm not mad. that was a typo. It was meant to be 40 Watts, even though that's still on the high side for a mag loop. I've worked VK from the UK with 3 Watts into a Mag Loop quite a few yrs ago , the loop being a special event club field construction project at the time, made from copper pipe. I've been licensed for over 32 yrs, and not had the best of luck in the last 12 months, due to my main antenna having to be pulled down due to age decay. It was a sort of a cross between a G5RG, & a Doublet, Home brew, which worked well considering its orientation. I would Love to have a couple of decent Home Brew Mag Loops in the garden to cover most HF bands as I previously mentioned, but at the moment I don't have the capability to make any. I do have a new replacement home brew center fed wire antenna to go up as soon as I can find someone to get up on my roof to help me install the roof top end of it properly. The other end of it rests on a fiber Glass pole mounted on top of a scaffolding pole which is reasonably manageable to lower and raise by hand. Many Thanks for your reply Barry, Kind Regards, Ray, AKA M0RAY. Sittingbourne, Kent, UK.

  • @mike-M0MSN

    @mike-M0MSN

    2 жыл бұрын

    No not production. I intend to use the lot making my next project. As for the trampoline loop. Very interesting idea that. But witch way to go?

  • @dodgydd
    @dodgydd2 жыл бұрын

    I notice you have solar panels on the roof, did you need to do anything to reduce noise from the inverters?

  • @ON8EI

    @ON8EI

    2 жыл бұрын

    A good and correct inverter plus no optimizers. I use a SMA inverter. 73's

  • @mike-M0MSN

    @mike-M0MSN

    2 жыл бұрын

    No I purchased a good quality inverter. No noise👍👍

  • @dodgydd

    @dodgydd

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@mike-M0MSN The challenge is persuading your neighbours they should do same.

  • @verschalter
    @verschalter2 жыл бұрын

    Any links of the sites you used would helpful. TNX Mike

  • @mike-M0MSN

    @mike-M0MSN

    2 жыл бұрын

    Here you go. www.66pacific.com/calculators/default.aspx

  • @jeanladirection
    @jeanladirection Жыл бұрын

    Hello, I would like to build a wired antenna of maximum 25 meters for an AM transmitter for frequency 1.6 MHZ or 1602 KHZ. Would it be possible for you to help me. Attention I am novice in the AM. In advance thank you.

  • @johnpeterson7264
    @johnpeterson72642 жыл бұрын

    Why the need to space the wire ? Why not just close wind ?

  • @mike-M0MSN

    @mike-M0MSN

    2 жыл бұрын

    I could have Close wound but find it acts more like a choke.

  • @a.v.stechs9398
    @a.v.stechs93989 ай бұрын

    How much wattage handled

  • @mike-M0MSN

    @mike-M0MSN

    9 ай бұрын

    no idea, I only use it at around 100 Watts...

  • @adelarsen9776
    @adelarsen97762 жыл бұрын

    Knipex. Superior German engineering. Just don't mention the war. I did, but I think I got away with it.

  • @mike-M0MSN

    @mike-M0MSN

    2 жыл бұрын

    Tool makers of the gods

  • @AmRadPodcast
    @AmRadPodcast2 жыл бұрын

    You have the strangest array of bow ties I’ve ever seen. Downright uncomfortable from the looks of it.

  • @mike-M0MSN

    @mike-M0MSN

    2 жыл бұрын

    🤪👍👍😂

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