Halo 5 on legendary is so bad it made Frog sick

@SobBaget602

7 ай бұрын

is that what it is? lol

@joepoopgaming2254

4 ай бұрын

He needs bungie medicine

Halo 5 was 100% meant to be played co-op and punishes players who play solo. Legendary co-op was somewhat functional, it makes movment and flanking viable since you have real people able to cover you. However, I have to imagine the revive mechanic was added late into development as a patch for game balance. It feels cheap, like sticking behind cover and abusing revives is a kind of cheese in a way.

@arnox4554

7 ай бұрын

Yes, play co-op with all that splitscreen functionality Halo 5 has. /s What a fucking trash game... At least with Halo 4 they were actually trying and some real passion went into it, even if it was sometimes misguided. Halo 5 feels like a soulless exec teabagging the Halo fandom and then demanding money from them for doing so.

@nickm5419

7 ай бұрын

Halo 5 single player shines when you play it like the Early Ghost recon games, you can direct your fireteam to location/Squad Action/Swap Weapons

@brendenhawley2225

3 ай бұрын

Basically my thoughts, I mostly play halo split screen so was excited for the coop focused gameplay.@@arnox4554

Did you know you can skip the first Hunter fight, there's even an achievment for doing so, and later in the final fight of the level two more Hunters show up, implying those are the ones you didn't kill from the first encounter.

@davidshillaker7578

7 ай бұрын

How? I'm about to attempt a legendary run of Halo 5 myself. I would like to know this trick

@thelmantakree1873

7 ай бұрын

@@davidshillaker7578 Normally if you kill the hunters the game puts an objetive icon on a switch you have to activate to go to the next area. The thing is, you don't even have to kill the hunters, you can run past them and activate the switch from the start, and it still opens the path to the next area without needing to kill the hunters

@ThatOneMan830

5 ай бұрын

Okay, I haven’t played H5 (and don’t plan to) but I gotta admit that’s wonderfully cheeky.

The Hunters in this game were designed to be played with the squad system; you're meant to order your teammates to stay on one side of the arena and draw the Hunter's aggro while you get behind them and shoot their weak spot. The game doesnt communicate this to you at all though.

I like how the Warden Eternal fight was so bad that 343 went, "Yeah you're gonna need a power weapon, here."

Indeed, it is bad enough that the campaign itself did not hold a candle to any other in the series, but the balancing and reusing of bosses made it a chore to go through. It is the only Halo campaign I’ve only played once

The Mantis is DEFINITELY my favorite vehicle in the series too. Especially the Hannibal Mantis you can access in multiplayer (a Mantis that has energy weapons and shoots lasers!). Would love to see it added to Infinite at some point ❤️

Nothing took me longer than the warden fights so boring

@darkspark5854

7 ай бұрын

They’re very difficult but boring is not the word I would use. They’re annoying. But definitely not boring

I remember Frog once said he cannot imagine fighting the bosses in Halo Infinite on Legendary difficulty. So video on Halo Infinite Legendary?

@pipipb

Ай бұрын

make one pls frog

Halo 5’s campaign feels more like a poorly paced Destiny strike than a traditional Halo campaign at times. It’s just…so weirdly designed. There’s no dance or flow of combat… it’s just a shooting gallery where you ADS at enemies across a room and then you sprint down a corridor until you find the next shooting gallery in which you ADS at enemies across the room.

@sodium7127

5 ай бұрын

Basically every Halo game?

@LateNightHalo

5 ай бұрын

@@Ripa-Moramee that hasn’t been my experience with classic halo TBH and I’m curious as to why you felt classic halo is about as bland as H5 The only halo with some awkward pacing was maybe H2? But even then, it didnt feel like a bog standard COD campaign like H5’s firefights did most of the time. AI still interacted off each other, vehicle sequences were engaging, AI marines were a larger part of the levels, etc. H5’s campaign is just like a bad destiny strike or something. The minimum engagement distances are too long for normal halo. All AI can melee you which further discourages getting close to enemies (even grunts which is just… wrong) and the weapon sandbox is just a series of ranged rifles with the only differences being their fire rate and damage. Everything is bland, sterile and not that creative. Each encounter is a bland shooting gallery and the sandbox is so universally “it’s just good at range” that nothing stands out or encourages different ways for sandbox encounters to play out. You don’t get stuff like the H3 gravity hammer, Brute shot/concussion rifle, CE assault rifle with its wide spread but staggering ability and quick melee. It just feels really weird and not really halo-y. Again, like a bad destiny strike rather than a halo game

to your point at 4:45, they actively deter you from using mobility because multiplayer balancing carried over to the campaign. When you sprint, your shields don't recharge. When you are charging your ground pound, it takes an eternity and leaves you vulnerable in the air. The system really works against you. The first thing I did when Halo 5 came out was beat it on Legendary and find every skull - this was before they re-balanced the Prometheans to be easier and the covenant to be harder. I've since beat it a few times more on Legendary post-re-balance, and I've got a few ideas of things they could've made specifically for the campaign that would've made Legendary playthroughs encourage the movement abilities a bit more. The obvious first one is to make enemies not be able to hit you as easily while using the thruster pack. I feel like that's a no brainer, since that's kind of its purpose in PVP as well. On a successful ground pound or charge attack, players could inflict a stun on their targets for several seconds (with the exception of Warden Eternal and Hunters), building up sprint and then jumping could boost the player almost like a mini-grav lift jump (very mini, but faster than a normal jump). This could serve really well when combined with the ground pound or charge attack for a whopping combo against a shielded elite or squad of grunts. Sprinting towards grunts could also cause them to flee in terror. The list goes on, but I'm already bordering on essay territory. I think there's things they could've done to the NPCs to reward the player for using the movement abilities. The enemies in this game just play like slightly tougher versions of Halo 4's NPCs and didn't transition to the new player movement system whatsoever.

@Sundaiiz

7 ай бұрын

Your shields do recharge when you sprint in campaign; it's one of the inconsistency that really bothered me when I played it; it made it feel as if the two modes were meant to be played entirely differently.

@kylershahalami6453

7 ай бұрын

@@Sundaiiz oh shit I never noticed

Came to the channel for help on getting goatroped. Now I've watched most of your backlog. Good content

okay, I'm convinced. I had given up on Halo 5 but now after watching both of your videos I now think the next time it goes on sale it's worth picking up. I really enjoy all of the campaigns and even if this one goes as the worst one (I have no idea what they were thinking putting in stages where you have to find people. Like you say, come on! Use some cutscenes!) it still looks like some overall fun Halo. Thank you Frog for giving a fair review opposed to finding the need to sensationalize one side or the other.

I've only played H5's campaign once, solo on legendary and the squad revive stuff always makes me think "Republic Commando but make it bad"

@smugwendigo5123

3 ай бұрын

My dream halo game is a republic commando style game but with odst

I really enjoy how you can just hop in on legendary. It's fun to watch though I'll say I was happy to watch your livestream of Halo 3 and to see you have some frustrations like the crappy weapons that you start the game with though you're still getting through on legendary while I can only limp through on heroic. Oh well, I'll keep practicing. Hope you're feeling better Frog.

Thanks again Frog. I'm so happy I watched this video and your previous one from Halo 5. It was on holiday sale and I picked it up and I had a lot of fun. It's not even close to the best Halo but it was still very fun. I think they clearly improved the Promethian weapons to make them more distinct and fun to use (and for pistol and machine gun, actually useful) and the Promethians themselves had a lot more personality and were more fun to fight. Those were the two good positives along with the game and worlds themselves looking gorgeous. The elite homeworld was really cool and fighting over the ocean was a sight to see (though I'm not sure why all the elites are so beefcake. Seriously the Arbiter looks like he ate himself and they look and walk more like brutes). I'm more neutral on the Spartan abilities but I'm happy they weren't really necessary but were more just there if you want. I do get the gameplay has strayed far from original Halo and the story isn't great but my only real major complaint was the end. Why would you make Cortana the bad guy when Dr. Halsey (or an AI created by Dr. Halsey similar to Ultron created by Iron Man) makes sooooo much more sense AND you'd actually get to take advantage of Chief's "evolution" from Halo 4 by making it necessary for him to enter the Domain! (and if you follow this line you get the luxury of having 6 be a proper conclusion to the trilogy with all teams united to stop the AI and at some point Chief and Cortana have to use the Domain to separate and either die together or stay in the Domain together. Either way 6 should have been Chief's last game and Locke was set up to take over and be the main character for 7 and beyond). Well sorry about that little story rant at the end. I overall enjoyed the game and thought they really had something going with the AI evolution and continuing on the theme of the Mantle along with continued power and threats from the Forerunners but the end is sooo frustrating. They did Cortana so wrong after doing such a good job with her in Halo 4. Oh well. I look forward to playing Infinite when that goes on sale :-)

nice video mate! for me i hated the story and writing for the halo 5 campaign but damn does graphically look amazing and the music is top notch, i'd argue that halo 5 looks so much better than halo infinite :)

It wouldn't be as bad if your team mate ai wasn't so bad

Definitely some frustrating moments playing Halo 5 on legendary. Also I love when people are still playing and creating content for an almost 10 year old game.

This game co-op was a miserable experience. The promethean enemies suck, and the teammate AI can't get you if you're on a slight ledge, and the cutscenes are automatically skipped.

I like how their secret more powerful versions of what weapons in throughout the campaign that could help you if you’re just stuck

It was fun(ish), with 3 friends in co-op, i still got a clip of me pulling off a stealth assassination on Warden while he lost us lol.

Trying to play through H4 Spartan Ops in MCC on Legendary for completion reasons, very much has similar problems. Really is a staple of incredibly lazy game design to just throw a shit ton of enemies at the player to ramp up difficulty. Is incredibly unfun and just a frustrating slog to fight off waves and waves and waves off enemies, rarely with any power weapons given to offset that. What ends up happening is you have to rely on using your spawn weapons, which can only handle so many enemies at once, so you get overwhelmed by numbers and just have to hope you pick off at least a couple before your next life. And what's worse is that a lot of times they come with no warning - you'll be just about finishing up a wave, and then out of literal thin air a new group of Prometheans will warp in and quickly gun you down. Bungie's Halo never did that, always there was a drop ship that could be fairly seen and avoided, or in Reach firefight when they were spawned in thin air they would at least start them off in a designated area and let them move in to the fighting space. Just one of many reason 343 Halo is soulless and incompetently developed. That's what happens when you hand off a beloved franchise to a corporate studio, they'll shit out a product for daddy Microsoft but there will be no care or artistry to it.

As soon as I got Halo 5, I immediately started it on legendary... I still get flashbacks on some segments including the triple Warden fight...

Literally haven't played 5 since it's release

10/10 thumbnail 👌 bates motel is a very underrated show and he is great in. And equally enjoyable video! Nice work

Two things: 1- Did you play this game on cloud? 2-I think that you can make master chief's Voice :)

There is a hidden power weapon on Blue team before the Hunter intro iirc, but it’s obtusely hidden. It’s Kelly’s Oathsworn shotgun. You can find Linda’s sniper Tyrfang lying in a case on the ship in the first level with Warden Eternal. I honestly really like the weapon variants in Halo 5.

It was so bad that I had zero desire to ever play the game again. And I didn’t. Coming from someone who put thousands of hours into each of the original 5 games, that should be very telling.

4:34 there is a mantis section here?!😳I had no idea thank you for finding that out

You can skip that 3 warden fight??? I spent three hours on it and part of my breakfast is still on the ceiling

Halo 5's multiplayer is actually a lot of fun but the campaign is easily the worst in the series. The duality of this game truly confuses me.

3 parts I vividly remeber struggling on. One area on the mission blue team with snipers, elites that never pushed forward and turrets that kill so fast, I was in the forsaken room for like an hour. A warden fight with master chief, but only because I had no ammo and the guy kept shooting instant kill range shots. And that area on the Breaking where theirs several snipers and 3 promethean captains with splinter turrets.

There are a bunchof grenades scattered around the first hunter battle up on the ledges around the perimiter of the room

I’m surprised you didn’t mention what is to me the element of this game that makes it the easiest legendary of any Halo; the fact you can have your squad use any weapons and they’ll have infinite ammo. Sure this was a strat with marines before, but marines always die and also have limitations on what weapons they can and can’t use. Your Halo 5 squad mates can be revived and will also attempt to follow your direct orders. I would hand all of my squad precision power weapons and for me that made it a cakewalk. Easiest legendary since Halo 3.

I thought I was the only one that struggled with the hunters in blue team they're absolutely cooked in that spot

another fever dream game

I did the same thing on swords of Sanghelios, then I realized there was a mantis and I was much happier

Great video

Nice vid frog

I just finished Legendary an hour ago. That was a freaking tough 3 days to finished! I decided to jump onto Legendary on the first try…I did regret it, but I totally enjoyed it. - I Can’t believe they made Cortana the villain. Anyway, the 3 companions are helpful, but unfortunately always gives your location to the enemy, so I always send them on a suicide mission so they can get knocked out and have my location concealed for a minute. Yup, the Ai was bad…but I still enjoyed the game.

Halo 5 Legendary is a lot harder when you don't know you can skip the triple warden fight. That fight on LASO was disgusting.

I remember liking halo 5 on heroic since you could do some movement shenanigans.

The one and only playthrough of this game I did was on Legendary when it first came out. It was awful. Beat it and immediately uninstalled. Thought it may be insane beyond description, Halo 2 Legendary at least was fun with the exception of the wave holdout moments. This game was hard AND not fun. Side note, I’m glad you mentioned how over saturated enemies are in Halo Reach. For some reason, nobody likes to make legitimate criticisms of Reach and the damage it did to the Halo gameplay formula. Much like 4 and 5, I didn’t think it was very fun to play on Legendary.

Guys he's not a frog I've seen the pictures

That frog sure played Halo 5 again

Bunnies hop.... frogs leap

me and my friends played it on legendary countless times and enjoyed it but tbh that’s only because my friends kept me sane

The only campaign I never finished. Even on normal. At least the MP was fun for a while

Absolutely love the channel but the fact that you can speed run CE on legendary and under three hours might be the reason why truth and reconciliation is easy for you, I agree you do have a power weapon the whole mission but once you board the carrier it’s absolutely nightmare fuel, I agree though, Halo 2’s Gravemind and Regret are the hardest

Any plans for a 'Halo 2 Killionaire on every level' video?

I puke every time I play this

Mantis are also one of my favorite vehicles.

Bro I played halo five mission 12 on easy, and the first time warden eternal turned around in the fight HE FLUNG ME INTO THE OCEAN-

My strategy for Halo 5 legendary was to not use power weapons my self, and give one 2 all 3 team mates. Then I’ll tell them to target specific enemies. Made the Warden Eternal fights easier but still frustrating. Also the Plasma Caster is the best Weapon in the game

They never really make an effort to tell you this, but you can give commands to your squad like moving to a specific location, picking up weapons, piloting or riding gunner/passenger in a vehicle, and focusing their attack on an enemy you mark. Only drawbacks are that your allies are still dumb and don't drop their weapons upon death, even the power weapons you give, but it does make the holdout sections and hunter/knight fights a little more bearable. Ya...Legendary on this game was just a horrendous and mind numbing experience all the way through.

They could easily have made movement viable by not giving every enemy hitscan and homing weapons and instead make most enemy attacks dodgable, non-homing projectiles. You know, like in the bungie games. that also didn't force you to slow down with aim down sights, so you could also be dodging while you're shooting. It is a bit silly that dodging projectiles is more viable in the games without a dodge button.

Heroic solo was fun, but I recently tried legendary, and turned it off during the first Warden fight. Too much time lost

I remember playing this on legendary when it first came out and having an awful time. On top of the issues frog mentioned, the checkpoints in this game were super janky. They may have patched it since I played. I got some of the worst checkpoints in h5 that I’ve ever had playing halo. I remember being near the end of the meridian escape mission, in one of those overlong holdout sections. All of my teammates were downed, on the other side of the map, and I was cornered by 2 - 3 knights and 20 soldiers/crawlers. Here is where I got a checkpoint. I would just die and respawn over and over, with no escape. Had to restart the mission. Cried at the realisation that I didn’t want to play this mission, or halo 5 any more. Halo 5 kinda sucked.

Can you do a video about doing all MCC campaigns LASO playlists?

Halo 2's legendary is broken, but can be worked around. Halo 5's legendary is broken because it's poorly made. Also, thanks for the shout out.

Genuinely surprised I managed to beat this game on Legendary when I got it. I fucking hated it but I wanted the achievement. I couldn’t beat Halo 2 legendary without the scarab scull on MCC. Surprised to see a couple of moments in the video is what I did back in the day, kind of nostalgic in a weird way. Also the teammates are the worst.

I can note and will agree that Halo 5 on Legendary is a pain at times and will be irritating as the friendly Spartan ai is somewhat stupid and that’s 343’s problem. This game suffers in other ways that the other Halo’s don’t despite 2. I got close to the end with the breaking getting that achievement and for playing legendary campaign. It’s fun if you go fast and smooth and have strategy. I have to go back to it tho, it will still be a pain getting to the ending

I both enjoyed the levels and the story was honestly not bad despite all the hate it gets. And I played the game on legendary the first time I played it. It was difficult but I had a good time with it.

i played on heroic when it came out and i found even that almost too frustrating to continue. i really like difficult games but halo 5 had so many of those irritating unfair moments that i felt far more annoyance than fun in my playthrough

Legendary halo 5 was my 3rd or 4th Legendary campaign. Took me 3 weeks on and off and the achievement didnt pop. Sad

Good thing Halo 4 was the last one I played. Once. Edit: the Hunt The Truth podcast was lit though

#1 weakness for hunters in halo 5 is Spartan charging them well confuse them.

Halo 5 is my favorite halo so far, then halo infinite is my second pick. I love the coop and pve multiplayer modes and the revive system.

Not looking forward to forcing myself to play this a bunch in the near future

yeah, halo 5 legendary is mostly a breeze. yet I'm stuck at the final guardians fight lol

I have a theory that as 343i tried to make the books more integral and meaningful to the main story of Halo, they also wanted to capture the feeling of being a part of a squad of Spartans like the books have. So in addition to upping your squad to four people, they also threw massive swaths of enemies at you, trying to emulate these gigantic, sprawling battles that the books have. You mention this issue stretching back to Reach, but I feel Halo 5 is easily the worst offender, and the fact that most combat arenas are similarly big open circles don't help matters. I've played both Reach and Halo 5 relatively close to each other as of late, and I play on Heroic. I can still have some pretty nice run-and-gun action in Reach, and each encounter feels different and unique, but every fight in Halo 5 feels the exact same to me. There is never a time where I don't feel like hanging back and sniping is the best strategy, because there's too much shit going on in each section that will kill me if I try to take any other approach. I had similar irritations to yours going through the campaign, but I overall left it with a moderately negative view due to how repetitive and sluggish everything felt.

It's because you are supposed to use your squadmates to their full extent not only for them to revive you but also for firepower, if you mark the enemy your squadmates ill go ham and they quickly take down the enemy trust me

He sounds 10 years older...

I've beat every Halo game on legendary except Halo 5 because of how unfun it is. I've beaten every MCC title on LASO and that was still way more enjoyable than Halo 5 legendary. It's not that it's too hard; it's just bullshit distilled into its purest form. Halo 2 legendary is annoying at times but it's nowhere as infuriating to me as some encounters in Halo 5. Especially when the prometheans are involved alongside wardens.

I know this video is from a month ago, but I finished halo 5 on legendary and of course the game doesn’t give me the achievements for doing so. That slog just for Microsoft’s achievements not to pop

Did they patch the final Warden boss fight skip? You used to be able to take a lift and ground pound to the ledge which takes you to the end of the mission.

I have only played Halo 5's campaign once in my life, and it was on legendary.

I completed a halo 2 (coop) legendary mission before I completed a h5 legendary mission (still haven't btw)

I beat it on legendary solo, same as EVERY halo game.

@KamiNoRanger99

7 ай бұрын

Same, I think Halo Infinite on Legendary is harder. I’ll take warden eternals over the harbinger and super jump chieftain brutes any day

@darkspark5854

7 ай бұрын

@@KamiNoRanger99the brute chieftain at the end during the Harbinger boss fight is the real boss fight in my opinion

I think simply giving our shields enough resistance to tank one more shot in most circumstances would have been enough to greatly help the flow of legendary. The game seems to be balanced around co-op with no scaling for solo play so (unless you're able to avoid taking damage the majority of the time) it's going to feel like playing Solo Spartan Ops on legendary with a janky revive system instead of being able to respawn at the current mission state. It leads to an incredibly disappointing experience unless you approach it with the same mentality as a bullet hell, which it was not designed to be.

Yup, those first 5 seconds are why Halo 5 is the first Halo game I never finished. Couldn't fucking stand the horrendous AI. They either wouldn't revive you, or they'd run at you one after the other and get downed. Always a slow, drawn-out death.

6:08 I struggled for no reason!!!

The 3x Warden fight on Legendary was brutal. I wish I knew I could skip it, but at least I can say I did it? Not worth it tbh

@Lowntree

7 ай бұрын

same here

Halo 5s multiplayer is a banger tho (with the exception of bullet mag and req packs, that shits whack)

The plural of Warden Eternal is Wardens Eternal. The past tense of Wardens Eternal is Wardens'd Eternal.

Just remember that genuine breathing people went into work every day for three years to come out with this garbage.

I think people in the comments (like myself) first played halo 5 on legendary as anything else is pretty easy. It’s why we say it’s the absolute worst on legendary.

Halo 5 multiplayer, however, is arousing

If you think halo 5 hunters are bad, just play infinite on legendary

@profxssnappedneck2822

7 ай бұрын

Nah, Infinite's on legendary are manageable, 5's are on amphetamines, can constantly one shot you and are immune to sticks

@NCRtrooper558

7 ай бұрын

@@profxssnappedneck2822 infinites are immune to everything tho

Uhh, I think you mean Wardens Eternal

the fact that anyone bothers playing any halo game besides CE, 2, 3, ODST, Reach, Wars 1 + 2 is baffling to me. Pretend no other Halo games exist besides those and you'll be much, much happier.

That's funny. I am doing Halo Infinite on legendary, While sick. And you are doing Halo 5 on legendary, While sick.

What is the thumbnail image taken from?

You can 100% use the tank to make the first double warden fight easy mode.

The best thing about Halo 5 were the weapons. Thats it.

Tbf most of the franchise in my experience on legendary is irritating/frustrating. Halo 5 has other problems but difficulty is a critique that can be applied to pretty much every other game in the series.

If I recall, there was a patch that rebalanced many aspects of Halo 5's campaign about a month or so after launch, particularly addressing Warden's AI behavior and overall lethality. I beat it near release and it was painful, albeit still doable with a LOT of patience. I was not surprised that the community found a skip for the triple Warden fight, but I fought it out, tooth and nail, circling the entire arena for anything and everything to down them one by one, just praying I didn't get auto-deleted for having the gall to exist every second...

How in the world do you think the Breaking is a pretty good level?

You know 343 is ashamed as hell over this considering none of the devs have a name or face you'd recognize.