Been waiting for you to make this video- excellent work thank you I need to research more into Debord

For me, one of the greatest mysteries of KZread is why David always posts videos that exactly talk about what I am working with at the moment. Now Debord, last month Spinoza and even further back Weizman, not even starting on all the Deleuze content. It's ridiculous.

@dislocational

11 ай бұрын

so what's your work plans for the furute? Let's check that it works prospectively :)

@Psycotive

11 ай бұрын

@@dislocational Wilhelm Reich mass psychology of fascism Deleuze and Education (for example Semetsky) And then a bunch of stuff that's not in English so unlikely, like Josef Gerdts "aristotelian-thomistic philosophy"

@balsarmy

9 ай бұрын

I think that's what collective consciousness means

Brilliant episode, you're the best

Thank you very much for the interesting lecture! Around 29:10 you work with an idea that deserves some care, the assumption that money-based economies were naturally preceeded by barter-based economies. This assumption was made by e.g. Adam Smith and it projects the idea of the homo economicus from the capitalist mindset unto human nature. But anthropologists instead describe gift- and credit-based economies between trusted neighbours where not all exchanges had to be immediate or necessarily equivalent, the english wikipedia article on barter references some sources and discussions on that.

@roli112233

9 ай бұрын

There's a theme of caricaturing of pre-modern/traditional/indigeneous societies in this way throughout the social sciences, where assumptions like this lead us to think that a development into global capitalism was the inevitable, most rational path for humanity. The example it makes me think of is the tragedy of the commons, which is a mad popular economic argument, and is based on the assumption that individual humans have (and will) always wanted to extract as much useable material as they can from the natural world. This assumption is at odds with the way that people living outside of social structures that enshrine this rampant commodification actually operate. Their lives usually aren't based on economic competition (and thus competition for resources), but rather community. It's also herein assumed that all societies have an extractivist relationship with nature, despite the fact that this is a modern construct. Many pre-modern/traditional/indigeneous societies have a relationship with nature which is based more upon maintaining balance between humans and nature (or probably not even imposing a theoretical division between human society and nature, which is in service of the spectacle divorcing us from our humanity).

so happy this dropped

Debt by David Graeber explores some of the anthropology of money... Definitely worth reading.

@retrogore420

9 ай бұрын

Absolutely.

I really like, David, that you called back to the ancestral environment. In agreement, I'm guessing, with Debord.

Through this material and some other thought. It occurs that increasingly every instance of human interaction is or has been commoditized. Historically normal interaction between individuals and groups feels alien to the commoditized, commercially connected, "interactive" sector of humanity. The experience of alienation, disconnection and suspicions of "unrealness" are normalitive. Our artificial enviorment on which we are dependent upon to live has outevolved our ability to adapt to it. There is as yet no species that this will favor as it makes all species impossible to continue to exist.

@romanticplacebo3693

11 ай бұрын

This is where the potential of the Unhomely resides, to show all our aesthetics and functionality are flimsy wall repressing alien forces. The eternal shudder...

Great video David! We just discussed Debord at uni this past semester. This may be random, but would you consider making a video covering Joseph Schumpeter? (and specifically, his prognosis about the collapse of capitalism, compared to Marx)?

Brb, gotta put on my 3D glasses to listen 🔵🔴

Thank you.

I already read one of the books he did! Maybe I can be a philosopher one day

@tmking7483

7 ай бұрын

Ben there's no maybe baby _ either u are or your not , don't be a Hamlet sandwich. I almost got eaten being a maybe_ maybes play both sides at the same time_ u have to dress up in danger ranger mad Max gear to survive the maybe_ lots of unnecessary pathways on this route66.

Great Gatsby Spectacle _ I need an eye doctor. This is AWESOME

Check out Spinoza's explanation of "pride" in parts 3 and 4 of The Ethics.

“Autonomous movement of the non-living” brings to mind Nicholas Berdyaev’s “Technics”, “Objectivisation” and “phantasm”.

Reading the book.

🙂👍

I didnt know it was pronounced deball, interesting language that french

@lasersnake

11 ай бұрын

Except it’s not pronounced that way 😂

I will always caution, I don’t think Marx is the answer to every question or everything that is wrong with society. I think he, like Debord, help us see through the Spectacle itself. Exploitable people are not their best selves. They certainly aren’t their “strongest selves”. And we don’t want to live in an exploitable society. One that is full of drones comparing themselves to each other mindlessly following the whimsical economic orders of service and production. But that is exactly what the spectacle has done. And it reminds me of this scene from The Wiz. kzread.info/dash/bejne/amGJrLRrpMzWY8Y.html (Don’t judge my taste in musical I love The Wiz lol) Like I said, what I get from Debord (like Marx) is a way to see faults worth improving on.. the things that could help make more people suffer less.

this lecture is much better, would recommend a brief history of fascist lies by federico finchelstein.

@spencerableman2281

11 ай бұрын

sorry about what i said last time, i didn't even listen. you've obviously listened to baudrillard's lecture on the violence of the image, you can find it on youtube. thoughts on late heidegger?

@spencerableman2281

11 ай бұрын

sorry, ehm isn't... and yeah i should listen to that... but isn't simulation in your take on it similar to heidegger's concept of the world picture? i need to think about baudrillard's idea of simulation in relation to deleuze's procession of simulacrum in d&f more though... also people dying on the streets are the biggest testament to the death of reality itself. the reality principle has been abolished. capital is unreal. just sayin'

@spencerableman2281

11 ай бұрын

good reading though

Man, I love Debord's work but he should have listened to Jacques Ellul about technique as the prime mover rahter than the economy

No spectacle here. Dry and dull as day old plain toast. Guy did have some interesting observations, but where they are, i think the most salient they have no need of Marx. Guy died a minute to soon i think. Would that he had lived 10 more years. I would have liked to have heard his material extended to the WWW media world, which by 15 years later became a dominate mode of transmission and connection and a literal physical and psychical extension of 1st world civilization.

Debord is just soy Baudrillard.

You don't talk about Debor, sounds like your own narrative