A quote from the Reality of Being book stood out to me; In the moment of consciousness there is the immediate impression of a direct perception.

Spot on…that’s why Gurdjieff had the stop exercise…it showed the split between the false consciousness and underlying real one, so people experienced them both in that instant. Most other so called Gurdjieff followers seem to be trying to become more conscious and evolved in their false self, before they’ve found and reached the real. It’s why Gurdjieff was emphatic about reminding people that they couldn’t ‘do’ anything except observe the false/machine self…till you see it, you can’t separate from it. 🙂👍🏻

Hey Hello Mr Greadshaw You hit me hard with...life isn't really based on the decisions we make and as we get older we go through a process of remorse. I'm almost 50 and every second of every day i try to 'atone for my sins'. One other thing, when you said self observation and self remembering could be the same thing I swear something in me always thought that but it didn't really penetrate until I heard you point that out. Thank you.

How can we be certain we will ever be able to do a positive work to produce the type of FUEL our true unawakened consciousness needs to wake up and take control of ITSELF?

I understand what you're getting at and my experience strongly corroborates what you say. Apart from the Ouspensky tradition, At what point do you think independence from others in the work is possible, what indications,l or evidence would need to be present from the point of view of Gurdjieffs understanding?

What is the significance of levels of man if there is simply the original consciousness laying dormant and the synthetic consciousness that is in the way? Was the idea of levels of man yet another thing That is only attributable to ouspenskys insertions?

exactly... Gurdjieff's system is not for personal development, it is for impersonal development

Thank you for this. What indicators are there when/if the other conscious mind is active within us. How do we know, or are our perceptions significantly changed to the degree the energy is available for the other mind to be present in our experiences?

What then was the point? If one somehow found oneself in their real consciousness they would seemingly find themselves also in a world completely at odds with thier true being at every turn. It would seem that everything here would not sustain this real consciousness. It would be like a heroin user returning to thier old stomping grounds, where everything in the environment sustains his addiction. Similarly The old false consciousness is beckoned at every turn. Nonetheless I found a way to live for extended periods of time in this state of being, though not indefinitely. I concluded the purpose was not primarily to serve the usual practical reasons and needs that one enterred into life with ones yrue state, (though these were sometimes met in ways inexplicable to the ordinary mind) but rather to establish material for a new life, a new body, free from laws. Without such conjectures as I have stated here, there could be no sense in any of it.

did you say Gurdjieff's teaching is 'deceptively simple' you are definitely a class act.

Even within your frame of reference your ideas lack clarity. If the goal is to move to "the real mind" then the practice should be to do that. i.e. to de-activate the false mind and move to the real mind. When you then conclude that it is "an energetic teaching" ... that does not follow. No matter what energy you put in either mind, it will not change the fact the wrong mind is dominating. So the correct conclusion to your train of thought should be practices to de-activate the wrong mind and switch to the real mind.

@iakovus

9 ай бұрын

I think that would be the 'assimilated reading' method. The real consciousness is activated during the 30 second pause, without the involvement of the fictitious consciousness. This resolves the problem Ouspensky faced of continually having to make efforts to self remember. In the BT/assimilated reading method, the self remembering happens by itself, by tricking the fictitious consciousness, as it were.

@prometheus1111111

5 ай бұрын

His point was that the false mind is blocking the kind of perception that would energize the real mind laying dormant in the subconscious . So yes there is a process of bypassing the false mind, through exercises reading BTG etc. but then there's a further effect of that opening that allows the real mind to be irrigated by the energy it needs to be fully active.

@ClaudiaFierro-yl3bc

3 ай бұрын

Can you tell me in which book or teaching is that reading method that you mention?

I wanted to ask how you encountered the assimilated reading technique and why the number 30? I think a few years ago you explained that gurdjieff left clues to follow the punctuation as a guide and it was something to do with the prologue of why belzebub was in our solar system. The year 223 after the creation of the world, 1921 after the birth of Christ.

Hi Mr. Greadshaw, I use to feel sad after you removed your previous talks but now I just record them. simple solution. if it was a snake it would have bit me.