Get the best of both worlds watch this video; kzread.info/dash/bejne/dXdlxZSxfpuqeZc.html Thanks for watching, John

On a dial lock how about putting in two of the three combinations prior to going to bed? If something goes wrong in the middle of the night put the 3rd combination in and now your in your safe maybe even faster than with a combination lock being that you dont mess up? Remember to reset whenever your not home? As for me I trust the reliability of a dial lock and less maintenance is also a plus over combination locks... Add discretion...

I don't care how much time it takes to reach my items, all I take care about is how safe they are.

@DeanSafe

Жыл бұрын

I agree, that’s why I only use a UL grade 1 digital locks, are considerably higher security than a UL dial lock

DO NOT confuse a cheap electronic lock with a quality S & G or other high quality lock. I have had two safes now with S & G electronic locks and with my first safe I owned it for 12 years and I was in and out of that safe on average 2 times a day, every day and I never, ever had any problem with that lock. Kiss, kiss to Seargent and Greenleaf locks. I no longer have that safe, however I purchased a new safe about one year ago and I specifically ordered it with another S & G electronic lock, uh, my favorite brand, and am in and out of the new safe once again, on average 2 times a day. And that lock works like a champ, also. Now a word on the cheap safes with cheap e-locks. I purchased one of those safes as a temporary replacement for my current very high quality safe. After approximately 4 months of ownership of the cheap safe what happened was as I walked across my floors with my socks on I would build up an electrostatic charge and as I would touch the cheap e-lock I would get that little spark/release of current on that lock, as well as anything metal. Well guess what ? After four months of this it fried the printed circuit board inside the safe ! I called the safe co. and they sent a lock smith out to try and fix it, which he could not do. Fortunately that safe came with a back up " key " so as to override the e-lock. The safe co. gave me all my money back and said they did not want it back, that I could dispose of it or whatever. So there, I would not have anything but an electronic lock.

This EMP stuff I keep reading is HILARIOUS. The EMPs that would make this no longer function would be accompanied by an atomic blast that would make the owner also no longer function.

@YakMotley

4 жыл бұрын

lol yea

@goldwinger5434

3 жыл бұрын

You need to stay up to speed. There are EMP weapons in development that will just generate an EMP to take out electronics.

@2011blueman

3 жыл бұрын

@@goldwinger5434 You need to stop watching ocean's eleven and learn some physics. EMP weapons aren't going to be used by anyone other than large militaries anytime soon and are easily protected against using shielding if that absurdity ever happens decades from now.

@goldwinger5434

3 жыл бұрын

​@@2011blueman Never saw the new Ocean's Eleven and I have a degree in physics. Yes, it will be the military with the EMP weapon. So when the Chinese army sets one off near your home, how are you going to get into your gun safe?

@2011blueman

3 жыл бұрын

@@goldwinger5434 LMAO, if the Chinese army sets one off near my home we have a lot more issues than what's in my safe. With absurd nutjob comments like that there is simply no way you have a degree in physics. Go back to your tinfoil hat community.

Thank you mr dean, I appreciate the video you and your daughter made for us, I'm quite young but fall into the old timer group you spoke of. Perhaps I should be more open to a digital lock tho.

Very Nice post! I favor the reliability of the Group 2 mechanical locks, but the convenience of the digital is very nice, too.

Can't wait to see it - sounds like a perfect solution, as long as the locking mechanism is inside the safe - not out on the dial/pad - so it can't easily be defeated.

i'll second that thought, deansafe ! as a security professional who has changed combos and serviced safe/vault locks for about 30 years.. i concur - the manufacturer can hardly be expected to 'cover' something they have no control over due to distance, etc...

My S&G electronic lock has been working flawless for 3yrs thus far.....normally use it one to three times daily.

I appreciate all your videos. I'm in the market for a safe, and it's kind of overwhelming. I have narrowed it down between a 30 gun Liberty with a mechanical lock, and a 45 gun Cannon with an electronic lock. I was leaning towards the mechanical for long term reliability. I have heard that the electronic locks malfunction much more frequently, and I will be faced with repair bills down the road. Mechanical locks don't require maintenance and are less likely to break. Do you agree?

@DeanSafe Yes, The probe attack is an attack on the solenoid through the door to the lock. If Customers find it preferable to use Electronic locks I think it be best business practice to inform them of all the pros and cons and allow them to make an informed decision, You handled this discussion professionally, courteously and gentlemanly, Those are rare qualities in business today and thank You. One last Question, Would You consider shipping any items overseas to the UK?

What happens if the Elock fails? Can the safe be opened and Elock replaced without drilling and ruining the door? My safe salesman made it sound like I'm in trouble if the Elock fails and tried to push me twords a dial.

This post is the truth. Don't let anyone use scare tactics to steer you away from a mechanical lock, they are more reliable in the long run than electronic locks. Changing the combo does not have to involve calling a locksmith.

Thanks. I may just have to go with the electronic lock once I buy one. That was the only thing that worried me

@DeanSafe Thanks for the Video suggestion, Very informative, Given time i'm sure it would crack the 8500,Nice little tool, I've seen some early variant of this. Chances are a Burglar won't have the code nor come across a broken safe lock or for that matter know which position the lock is facing therefore hindering his progress in both designs,I still say the 8400 is the best option for reliability. How do these E-locks fair up to probe attacks? and I think the US gov uses x-09's, Above normal.

I used to think the dial was better. Until I got a new safe with keypad. I never knew the combo was stored in the lock itself not the keypad. Very hard to pick a keypad lock. Not to mention quick access to the safe

Hey Dean, Love the video, quick question, What happens if you get a battery that leaks or corrodes the inside of the keypad? Is is easy to change or how would that work, just saying because over time I have had random things stop working from a faulty battery leaking and corroding wires or things like that.

You can get almost as fast with the dial if you do it enough. I have a digital on my new one though. It is pretty handy. I bought a Fort Knox because they are warrantied for life and they are built in the good old USA. I had an issue with one of the numbers on my keypad and they sent me a new one no questions asked. I snapped it on and it works great. If something with the electronic lock inside goes bad, they will come out and get it open for you.

@cpovey1 I couldn't find the mythbuster's episode you mentioned but I have used plasma torches many times and the two layers of half inch drywall they use in a lot of safes is more then adequate, a plasma torch also blows a lot of air cooling as it cuts one of the benefits of a plasma torch is it doesn't warp sheet metal as you cut it.

BTW, granted, electronic is a lot quicker, which is why my gun safe on the night table is a gun vault with 4 button keypad, can open it in 3 secs

Thank you sir for making this video.I was Leary of those electronic safes.

Well sir, that's why there are professionals like us to teach buyers what to look out for. Like in a lagard 3370 there is a strong pull for when the drive-cam wing/nut hits the lever bar which pulls the lever itself down on the wheels, which on mine happens between "0" and "11"

good vid- but I would've loved to hear something regarding the electronic solenoids that lock the mechanical linkage in the frame of the door. I bought a nice cannon safe for $2100- heavy duty- but I noticed someone with a 5' pipe over the handle could possibly break the solenoid and just spin open the door. The weakest link is the durability of the electronic solenoid that uses the solenoid pin to prevent the handle from spinning. this seems weak to me.

@cpovey1 I have use a thermal lance once and it would cut and burn any thing up. They are usually used to cut steal around 1 foot thick, Actually if I had to get into a safe I have I would use a cut off saw (saw that uses a thin friction wheel) would take a lot longer then a plasma torch but would be a clean cut and I could weld the panel I cut off back on and the safe would be good as new.

Can the push button lock replace the dial lock by a locksmith at home? If so what is a reasonable fee?

also, there are tricks to decode which keys are pressed on a keypad.. everything from wear patterns to skin oil deposites. (of course there are 'built-in wrong combo entered penalties') makes you think about wiping down the keypads with a mild cleaner every now and then.. .

I'm getting ready to buy a safe and I have been thinking alot about dial locks vs. electronic locks, which one is better? I mean a dial lock is mechanical, so I would think that its reliability would be excellent, but an electronic lock has a keypad, wires and a circuit board somewhere in the door. So my question is this, If I were to buy a safe with an electronic lock and it suffered an electronic malfunction, or was exposed to a fire and the keypad was melted, how could I get my safe opened?

I have two safes. One is a mechanical and one electronic. Last week my house burned down. I had the mechanical safe opened as soon as I had access to it. Days later I’m still waiting on the replacement electronic lock that melted. I’ll never have another elock again.

@DeanSafe

2 жыл бұрын

You’re very fortune, it’s usually the opposite around here. The dials are a casting and will generally melt before the flames hit the safes. So we’re always ready to drill the dial safes. The electronic dials are also gone but we can usually fish out the wire and reattach a new keypad. We see so much of this we’ve all put E-locks on our safes. Most important, I hope you’re stuff came out in good shape. Thanks for watching, John

The only time I had to use crib notes to open my safe was when it was new. That was 25 years ago. Never had a single problem with the S&G Group 2 (6730). I spin it open mostly from muscle memory instead of counting turns in 5 to 10 seconds these days. I do need light to see though. After the Liberty safe electronic lock back door code exposé, I bought a 6630 replacement lock for its false gates and eccentric roller on the nose, watched a S&G lock and combination change video, and got to work swapping it out with a new and more efficient combination. Re-lubed the bolt mechanism while I was as it. No lock smith needed. Why change the combination? Just in case the Safe manufacturer or dealer kept the factory code with the registration paperwork.

@DeanSafe

10 ай бұрын

Actually, it was a 6730 dial lock that they gave the combination to.

Can you open the electronic lock if an emp hit's it?

I had a Fort Knox (dial lock) gun safe that was stolen some years ago. The crooks had it for 36 hours before the police found it. They tried several ways to get into it without success. It took a professional locksmith, working with the factory, several hours to get the safe open so I could retrieve my things. Fort Knox replaced my safe with an even better one and it cost me ZERO! I LOVE my Fort Knox safe!

So if someone had an electronic lock and either forgot the combination or say the only person that knew it passed away. Would it be possible to reset the electronic lock or have someone come out and fix it or are you stuck testing combinations for 27 years?

Are dial locks more reliable? Do they last longer than digital?

i can never get the dial combo safes open. i dont know how many turns it takes

If an electronic lock (like the S&G 6120) fails... how invasive is the remediation? I'm not talking dead batteries. I'm talking like the control panel dies.

Fort Knox safes you can get a redundant lock it basically has both types on it incase the electric one fails

some of the problems with the dial locks are that customers spin the dial like it was a race.. like 'grip', then 'whhhhheeeeeeeee' (lets see if we can make it turn a few hundred times first before we hit our first number).. there are precision brass parts inside, not too unlike a swiss watch.. would you spin a swiss watch around and watch it plow into something?

as long as you follow the directions to the letter.. if a person setting the combination has an astigmatism, it can be a problem for both opening and setting the combination.. you've got to be SPOT-ON !! on a factory new lock, if you're more than 1/2 a number off on ANY of the 3 or so numbers you likely will not have consistent opening/setting experience.

I have had a Cannon safe with an electronic lock for 12 years and I love it. I am in and out of the safe an average of 5 times a day. This is the same type security an ATM uses so if you think you can get it open head to Chase bank the take is probably better than someones home safe. And the battery? I have changed it twice in 12 years. The first time the low battery alarm wasn't even going off, I just felt guilty I hadn't changed it in 5 years.

It is interesting to see how split safe sellers are on this topic. I think the user needs will dictate which is best. While I agree that good electronic locks are super reliable, I personally prefer a mechanical lock for the simple reason that there are many mechanical locks made in the 1800s that still work reliably today. It is impossible to know if digital locks made today may still work reliably 100-150 years from now. Additionally, even the best of electronic locks still depend on a power source, and there is no way to guarantee this will always be readily available in the far-out future, especially if a major event were to occur. A mechanical lock does not have this dependence and so I am preferential to it when using with a safe I plan to use for 50+ years.

@DeanSafe

9 жыл бұрын

You are right on so many levels. The issue I have with mechanical locks is that most customers don’t lock them because it’s difficult to open them. We see many customers leave them on day lock or use the key locking dial instead of spinning the combo off, you may as well leave the door open. We get many calls ever month asking us to open a safe because someone spun the dial, locked the safe, and they have no idea what the combo is as they’ve never used it. I installed a ELock on my personal safe 25 years ago and swore I would never go back to dial, plus I suspect I’ll be long gone before the world runs out of 9 volts batteries. If I’m wrong, I’ll reinstall my dial. Thank you for your Very good input, John

@npaul4171

9 жыл бұрын

***** I have a buddy who is in the industry and he tells me people constantly lose their combos which to me seems just insane to lose something so important. I was hanging out with him when he drilled a TL-30 Gibraltar with a forgotten combo and it was insane how much of a pain it was between the slow speed of progress and how the composite material destroyed bit after bit. I am not sure what the owner had to pay for that drilling but it must have taken the better part of 5 hours, so I imagine after seeing the bill they have probably since made it a priority not to forget their digits.

@DeanSafe

9 жыл бұрын

Zac PaulThat’s a tough safe, your friend knows what he’s doing. When you’re drilling on TL-30’s you can go through a grip of very expensive drill bits or a many dozens of the cheap ones John

Which on is more reliable?

How do you figure EMP won't harm an electronic lock? Is there documentation that shows the electronics are hardened? I've worked on projects that required hardened electronics - they're extremely expensive, and don't think that because an electronic device is inside of a steel safe, it's protected - in fact it probably more likely to get fluxed by the pulse, as steel is ferrous. I'd love to have an electronic lock that's EMP proof - but I've never seen one.

this is why there are safe technicians who have the resources/knowledge to get in a safe with minimal fuss, ~~ if necessary~~ drilling certain specific points, using specialize tooling (assuming quality safe with hardplate) and not making swiss cheese holes around the lock and then being able to repair back to functional state.

Informative...thanks.

*One* thing I noticed is that she *_knew_* the combination, while *_YOU_* were reading it on a piece of paper. I open *_MY_* safe much more quickly than that. Not as fast as "Jackie", but not a *_whole lot_* slower, either. And, by the way, as Dan Myshrall pointed out, how much more quickly would *_you_* have been able to open *_your_* safe than Jackie after an EMP attack (a real world possibility)?

@DeanSafe

6 жыл бұрын

Remember, Speed is the is the enemy of the dial lock. "Manufactures instructions say "dial slowly and precisely" for a reason. I know some are still paranoid about EMP effecting safe locks, I'm not but I installed this Doomsday lock on my safe anyway. Check it out; kzread.info/dash/bejne/dXdlxZSxfpuqeZe4.htmlhanks for watching, John

vice and helpfull all you are saying but i just have a qestion...technology moved alot forward and now EMP(electomagnetick pulse) is avelible...what is this thing strikes you save whith the digital lock? how will you open it?i am not saying it is not really faster than the normal lock and more safer..just saying the old is almost always better...

What about EMP? Do they fry digital locks?

Some one erased my comment. I open vaults and safes for a living. I have seen dial locks still working, that have been in service from the early 1900's. I have had more trouble with electronic locks that with dial type. Most of the electronic locks that I have the pleasure of opening have been Kaba Mos series. Around $1000.00 locks. I would recommend dial type.

@garythornbury9793

4 жыл бұрын

thank you

Thanks for putting this informative video together. Looks like I made the right decision by going with the elock.

@thetruth4702

8 жыл бұрын

+Bill B. Because one old man posted a stupid video telling you that elocks are better? I'm glad you believe everything you see on youtube.

@billb.6773

8 жыл бұрын

+B Williams Everyone has their own opinion

Changing the combination on a dial lock isn't complicated or hard. I have a key that goes in the back when the door is opened then you set your new combo according to directions.

Helpful.

Nice ide, but the plasma torch thing will fry everything inside. They did this on Mythbusters and everything inside was crispy.

whats your take on the 4 inch bar style locking mech? for the poor man whats the best safe for under a 1000$? the military bar style seems to be good on pry test? liberty revolution 24... your take on it? thanks dean...

@DeanSafe

8 жыл бұрын

+Matt d All other things being equal, the military flat bolts seem to be as effective as round bolts. It is a different look and not as popular as round bolts, but at one time I worked for a quality safe manufacture that only used flat bolts and it's in-the-floor safes outperformed the round bolt safe companies products in every safe rating category it manufactured. So, if the frame is as good, if the bolt works in the door are as good, etc. etc. it should be a non-issue. Thanks, John

I thought about EMF possible being able to knock out the electrics, But if such a thing ever happened I could probably still get into it with several maintenance tools. If the electrical lock was completely destroyed by a thief, I could take the safe out and cut a section of the front door out with a plasma torch, install new electronic lock then weld the section back almost as good as new. The layers of drywall they use inside should protect everything from the heat.

Has the Lock Picking Lawyer given his stamp of approval for this digital safe yet?

@DeanSafe

3 жыл бұрын

+David Robins No idea if he’s done any tests on UL tested digitals or UL tested Dials. Thanks for the comment, John

Dial locks are not hard to change the combo on. You will need the proper change key. Just be sure to check the new combo with the door in the open position. Check it several times before closing and locking the door.

@DeanSafe

Жыл бұрын

I would recommend having a professional do it. I only suggest that because of the number of people we've had to go out to and drill open their Safes because they had just change the combination themselves. Thanks for watching, John

My sisters keypad lock just failed. It's a Cannon and one of the numbers on the keypad failed somehow and wasn't letting even the key override open the safe. Had to have a locksmith drill it open for a $350 charge. Since Cannon says this was a limited model they have no lock to send for replacement. Safe is ruined. Locksmith says he makes a living opening these keypad safes. Mine failed, didn't keep safe from opening and had another keypad sent to me. I was lucky this time.

@DeanSafe

9 жыл бұрын

dan4466 I don’t know what kind of lock that safe had but it was not a (U. L. Grade 1) lock as recommend. We know this because safes with grade 1’s don’t have key overrides. They must have imported some none rated safes from China. Sorry for your troubles, it's very lucky that you found a replacement keypad.John

What happens when the batteries go dead , and what happens when the barratries crowed and render the lock useless . Batteries have know to go bad and mess up the contact and fri the electrical contacts . I would rater take a extra 30 seconds to spin dial , knowing that it will always open and not have to run for batteries in an emergency. Or if the barriers fail then have too have the electrical contacts replaced and not being able to get into my safe when I need too!

So they don't send the key to change the combination lock by the owner? Why is that?

@DeanSafe

9 жыл бұрын

A few still do, but unfortunately a high percentage of Customers who attempt to change the combination on dial locks screw it up so bad they get locked out and blame it on the manufacture. Most all safe manufactures now void the warranty on any safe where the combo is set by the customer. Many don't have a problem, but even some locksmiths have trouble with it. Great question, John

Except the S&G on my Liberty Lincoln has been going through a battery a month for the last 4 months and it locks me out when the battery dies. Can't get to my stuff until I go to town to get more batteries. Liberty said they'll swap for a new lock or give me a mechanical dial. I'm thinking a dial will be more reliable.

@DeanSafe

5 жыл бұрын

I would get that lock replaced as soon as I could, It won't get any better. On my safe I put in a new 9V battery every 6 to 7 years.Thanks for watching,John

Dean, tell the people what happens when the board (not the batteries) on the inside of the safe fails. Call a locksmith to drill the door on your precious baby in multiple places (since like you said "the drill points on the electronic locks are vague). Most upfront locksmiths will tell you mechanical locks are more liable in the long run on average. Be honest with the people.

@DeanSafe

Жыл бұрын

I would love to, 99% of the service calls we receive are to replace the battery on the rare occasion we have a lockout. A true lockout on a digital lock is pretty rare. If we get one, we drill it we know exactly where to drill. I know people are very paranoid about this, and I can’t help it. We will cheerfully sell the customer. Any kind of lock they want. At least, if they buy a dial, we know there’s a good chance in a couple weeks we’ll see a call to put a digital lock on it.

Actually - an EMP large enough would likely be a high-altitude burst that would have little to no effect on ground level other than frying tons of electronics... But really....what are the chances of that actually happening? Also, if you were desperate enough, you would find a way to bypass your own safe's security - safes are rated on how long they will keep someone out... no safe will keep a dedicated attacker out indefinitely.

But you need to change combination often and they are easier to malfunction

Hi John, can the electronic lock be defeated with a heavy duty (125 lb. pull ) magnet?Thanks,Ron Bianca

@DeanSafe

5 жыл бұрын

+Ron Bianca No chance on UL tested and rated locks like these. There are many low end safes on the market that use solenoids instead UL locks. In our testing solenoid locking mechanisms we’ve only been able to open on one model of safe made by Sentry with magnet and I think they changed the design. Thanks for watching, John

I think I screwed up. They used some kind of thermal lance, not a plasma cutter. My bad.

The thing with electronic technology is that it can make things better or even worse. While the Elect has a million different combinations that make it harder to crack, it has a mainboard that can be easily hacked with a special device in a couple of minutes.So while it is harder to crack to the average guy than the Dial, it is easier to hack to the Professional with the right tool.

a nearby lightning hit will cause EMP. Yes EMP does come from a Nuclear strike but not all EMP's are devastating Nuclear strikes. I believe the US Govt used a low yeild one Iraq when we first went in. In any case, very true about the locks. I prefer the speed and use of the electronic but I think I like the dial as a back up. Some manufacturers include both now like Ft Knox, Browning and a few others.

I guess there are advantages and disadvantages to everything like everything else in life. Some say dial is more reliable because digital can and will fail at some point. Some say if and when you have problems with a dial you’ll need to pay a lock smith to open the safe. 💵 While some prefer digital because of convenience as clearly demonstrated in this video. Different stokes for different folks. Is all I can say.

@DeanSafe

4 жыл бұрын

+P F We’re luck, we carry both so if a customer wants a different type of lock on a particular safe , no problem we can just swap it out.

@pf5658

4 жыл бұрын

DeanSafe - Thank you. Unfortunately I already ordered a safe from you and I got the digital because I wanted convenience, but I saw a video after saying dial is more reliable because digital will fail at some point so now I’m wishing I did get the dial lock. I’m expecting delivery in a few days so unfortunately it’s too late now. Too bad.

@DeanSafe

4 жыл бұрын

+P F did he also mentioned that the dial locks are so difficult to use that the majority of the people give up and just leave them unlocked and use the key lock to just lock the Dial instead, not good. UL tested digital locks work the best, sadly the majority of the safe locks out there can’t pass the UL test they are cheap knock off‘s and those do fail. your dealer can tell you which is which. BTW, years ago when the E-locks were new they had issues but they’ve come along way in the last 30+years.

@pf5658

4 жыл бұрын

DeanSafe - Actually he did mention something about that, to be honest. I hear what you’re saying though. After all. This is what you do for a living so I trust you and feel better now about my choice. Thank you.😊

What if the thief get frustrated and smashes the E lock with a hammer?? what duo you do then?

@DeanSafe

6 жыл бұрын

You replace the key pad.

Safe dealer told me that if the electronic pad fails, your safe becomes a paperweight and you're in big trouble. He was trying to talk me into the Sargent & Greenleaf dial.

has anyone ever been locked inside a safe? n then the electronic keypad had a failure?

I'm seeing a lot of comments about exotic "what ifs…" like EM pulses and hot wiring and flux capacitors affecting electronic locks. Things that have a one in a bazillion chance of happening. What about house fires? My house burned down in '93 so that IS a real life thing. Won't the electronics melt or otherwise be disabled in a fire?

@randomrazr

7 жыл бұрын

back up key

2:04 Unless it’s a Sargent And Greenleaf Group 1 or 1R Manipulation Proof Combination Lock.

@DeanSafe

10 ай бұрын

We preferred to say manipulation resistant. They are very hard to manipulate him, I can't do it myself. The tolerances are so tight, some people who have the combination have difficulty getting them open much less anyone else. Sorry for the late reply, John 😬

Why does everyone always talk about group 2 lock, why not buy a group 2m or even a group 1

I timed how long it would take me to open my mechanical dial lock, it took me 20 seconds.By the way, it's an 80-year-old "yale" lock.

Changing the combo on a dial lock is not complex at all. If you have a change key and you know how to read the instructions, it is very easy. Occasionally you may have to move a plate out of the way so you can get to the change key hole on the lock. Other than that there is nothing to it.

will they in an emp event

@DeanSafe

4 жыл бұрын

+Gary Thornbury all the electronics are protected inside the safe, still the locks are tested on a work bench I’ve seen several different U.L. locks tested and haven’t seen a failure. If you’re nervous take a look at the “doomsday Lock”. Get the best of both worlds. kzread.info/dash/bejne/dXdlxZSxfpuqeZc.html Thanks for watching, John

Electronic locks are easily manipulated with strong magnets. Sometimes the release actuator is very cheaply made too.

@DeanSafe

2 жыл бұрын

You may be talking about locks on cheap safes chain store fire safes. But these are real safe locks and have been tested by underwriters laboratory‘s for performance. Magnets don’t cut it.

And if you forget your combination, you can open it with a rare earth magnet or replace the keypad.

@DeanSafe

5 жыл бұрын

+YTRulesFromNM Not so, that only works on a few low end Sentry safes. Not in U. L. tested Locks. Thanks for watching, John

@BamaMatters11

5 жыл бұрын

YTRulesFromNM OMG you're a moron smh

they are not high severity and the dial lock is better as most people who have basic knolag on cracking safes will have more trouble dial locks as they do not no much on cracking them as most basic safe cracking people no how to buypass digital in a matter of minites and some even secands. 1 of the biggest thinks is most digital safes have a reset button and with a this peace of metal you can get around the safe and hit the button also all digital safes have a master combo

I can open that kind of digital keypad in 5 seconds. Get a flir camera and follow the residual heat from the fingers, from the strongest to the weakest (strong signature will indicate more recent, so follow the numbers from the weakest to the strongest, and voila, safe opened). Keypads are extremely vulnerable (unless there is a randomizer like in samsung keypads). If you want digital, go for an electronic dial lock.

@alexsandermagalhaes9266

8 жыл бұрын

queremilpario i never ever ever ever EVER thought of it. it seems reasonable if you quick enough. But i find it difficult to be sneaking around some really important safe haha :)

@HifiCentret

8 жыл бұрын

Also one weak point of those. You can see which buttons get the most use. So you may not even need that. Just look at the buttons and if you know how many numbers it's composed of you can relatively quickly guess it. If I where to design an electronic lock I'd use some sort of read out. Can be a rotational button with 10 steps and a pointer to which number you enter or just a digital read out depending on temperament. Any which way also a button to confirm a digit and enter the next. That way there would be no buttons to wear. A glass panel and capacitive buttons could also be used and safe enough granted you remember to wipe the panel (for home use it's fine after closing it). Or you could just have a few buttons and a read out. One button to advance number (after nine it restarts to zero). A button to confirm a number and then a button to advance the number and perhaps a few other control buttons. Again no button assigned to single numbers. Of course buttons have to be made better than the foil buttons typically used but there are high quality buttons out there rated for millions of actions and they're not that expensive even though you rarely see them on consumer electronics. That's also one of the reasons why I'd prefer a mechanical. Besides the electronic one easier fails, battery leaks (use lithium even though manyfacturer says alkaline - alkalines no matter how magic they claim they are are not leak proof - the more expensive lithiums are the way to go to avoid that). S&G makes and electronic one but it requires the same skills as the mechanical. To my knowledge there's only DIY kit versions of dial locks with my idea of a by wear and tear non traceable input functionality. One advantage of the electronic locks though - you can effectively take measures to really lengthen the time an auto dialer have to use to open the safe - up to many months so you're better just getting some pro to use heavy tools to open it. For the typical 3 disc mechanical lock and autodialer can open it in 48 hours max and even less if you can give it some clues like remembering all even, odds, just one of the numbers etc. The advantage of an autodialer is no damage to the safe. Wear to the lock but hey then you can replace it if you want to. Better than having drilled holes to be repaired.

@DeanSafe

8 жыл бұрын

So now you know the 6 digits are used, that leaves you with only 46.656 possible combinations left. With each wrong guess you get locked out for an extra 5 min's you should be able to get in the safe within a maximum of 3888 hours. There are easier ways to get into a safe. thanks for watching, John

@HifiCentret

8 жыл бұрын

Lets say you know there's 6 digits all different. You can look at the keypad and sure, 6 buttons are worn equally. Wouldn't that give a total of 720 combinations (6*5*4*3*2*1)? For the first number you have 6 to choose from then 5, then 4 and so on. It gets a little more complicated if some are more worn than others so I'll not put that math up here but it's even less. Also when you know the digits and if you know the person. Changes are you can quickly narrow it even further down. But yeah you're right. A burglar wouldn't stand a chance. But someone with regular access to the safe has - even more so the better they know you. Of course you could change code regularly and make sure all numbers get roughly equal amount of wear. But then chances are you forget the number yourself. Sure there's many way to get into a safe. Some has the interest of just getting in. Others to do it silently or without trace ;)

@DeanSafe

8 жыл бұрын

I'm no mathematician but I'm told its 6*6*6*6*6*6. each button can be used 6 times

Would the digital lock work if an EMT happened

@DeanSafe

8 жыл бұрын

+Slick Nick With UL tested locks there is not much outside the safe other than a keypad and a battery all the brains are safe and sound on the inside. Be concerned with the low-cost safes purchased at chain stores that don't have UL locks, of course the good news is they are generally pretty easy to open up anyway. thanks, John

A Sargent & Greenleaf dial lock can be changed very easily and I'm no locksmith.

@DeanSafe

5 жыл бұрын

And yet many locksmiths can't do it at all. Some folks are Mechanically inclined and have no problem. Others who aren't so inclined have helped me put 3 kids through College by paying me to fix what they've screwed up.Thanks for watching,John

How would an EMP treat a digital lock...just wondering?

How do you shield your electronic locks from EMP?

@DeanSafe

8 жыл бұрын

It's just not necessary, with UL tested locks there is not much outside the safe other than a keypad and a battery all the brains are safe and sound on the inside. Be more concerned with the low-cost safes purchased at chain stores that don't have UL locks, of course the good news is they are generally pretty easy to open up anyway. thanks, John

@SanitysVoid

8 жыл бұрын

UL Means?

@DeanSafe

8 жыл бұрын

Sorry I'm used to using the abbreviation, "Underwriters Laboratories" they test all kinds of things including Locks and Safes. Thanks for the question, John

@SanitysVoid

8 жыл бұрын

So Generally the lock has no need to be shielded from EMP as it's inside a metal cage?

@DeanSafe

8 жыл бұрын

Correct, but but when U.L. tests the grade 1 safes locks (like this) from EMP no cage or box is used to protect the locks. I believe when a lock is installed into a safe it just gives it that much more protection.

Well, since he is talking about professional thieves that can open combination locks, how about the pros that can open these electronic safes with a laptop?

@DeanSafe

7 жыл бұрын

It works, if you don't mind working 24hours for 7 days a week for 27 years to make that happen. thanks for watching, John

@JrSpitty

7 жыл бұрын

They are setup to go into lockout mode for a set amount of time after too many failures. The pad on the outside isn't the only electronic device, you have your locking mechanism on the inside which is locking you out by rejecting codes.

@chickm14

7 жыл бұрын

LOL! There is another locksmith on here, that shows you how to defeat the electronic locks with rare earth magnets. You cannot beat the old Sargent and Greenleaf combination lock, used on gun safes.

@DeanSafe

7 жыл бұрын

He's confusing cheap solenoid electronic locks often found on safes at the big box stores with high security UL rated electronic locks used on gun safes all the way up to the highest rated safes currently manufactured in the world. What we are showing here are UL rated and tested (grade 1) locks considered by the industry as higher security than the (grade 2) dial locks. Let's not forget auto dialers that open dial locks. thanks, John

@chickm14

7 жыл бұрын

www.accurateshooter.com/technical-articles/electronic-vs-dial-locks-on-gunsafes/*****

Is it EMP safe

@DeanSafe

4 жыл бұрын

Very much so.

The only known EMP bombs in existence right now are made by Boeing/CHAMP project and were just successfully tested last year. It was a directed EMP (as it would have to be) and the effected range is rather small (again as it would have to be). The large scale EMPs that all the "preppers" fear still has to come from the energy release associated with an atomic blast.

It isn't a question of "If," but, "WHEN" the electric system goes down. Sooner or later, it will. I'll take the combo every time.

@DeanSafe

Жыл бұрын

As long as you have an extra 9 V battery, I don't think you would care with the electric system goes down I know I don't!

What happens when we have a EMP happen?

@DeanSafe

8 жыл бұрын

+Rick Baxter With UL tested locks there is not much outside the safe other than a keypad and a battery all the brains are safe and sound on the inside. Be concerned with the low-cost safes purchased at chain stores that don't have UL locks, of course the good news is they are generally pretty easy to open up anyway. thanks, John

@Thamac15

6 жыл бұрын

DeanSafe so what happens when an EMP occurs?

If the batteries go dead. what happens to the preprogrammed security code. Is there a brain that holds the numbers without a battery present.

@DeanSafe

7 жыл бұрын

It holds the combo without batteries Thanks John

Do you have a rare earth magnet. do you know how to get one. only rare earth magnets can and I stress the can part open cheap solenoid locks. gun safes even my cheap sentry safe is immune to that. yes I am a pro lock smith 2nd generation. now I do still have faith in tumbler locks, but don't shoot digital down because of their ease of use.

@muleskinnerpro

7 жыл бұрын

What is your opinion of a Cannon safe with digital lock? Will a house fire ruin the lock and make it inoperable?

@DeanSafe

7 жыл бұрын

Not all the Cannon safes are coming with U.L. digital locks. So, the Cannons with the U.L. locks and a RSC U.L. rating are just fine. A real house fire will melt of both a Dial and a Digital keypad off the safe so both safes will need to be drilled to open. P.S. Cannon, Amsec, Fort Knox, and some others) will drill it open and replace it at no charge. Thanks for watching, John

@muleskinnerpro

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks, I ended up calling Cannon and the safe I bought from Costco has a U.L. listed lock according to them. Feel better about it now.

i wonder if a kid were to play around with an attractive looking digital pad and push the buttons hard and break them. the dial is durable. even if you can get new parts for the electric safe, its a hassle to be inconvenienced if you want to do somehting on that particular day. i choose the reliable combo lock. made from steel and unbreakable should a child choose to play around with it .

@DeanSafe

9 жыл бұрын

Actually there’s no steel in dial locks, just die-cast Zamack (high zinc content) with brass and aluminum parts. Strength is not an attribute of dial locks nor is it needed, but it is kid proof. All though it could be and you make a good point, Kids and digital locks have not been a problem, I think the kids just get bored with it too quickly. Thanks, John

@aaronsmith3521

9 жыл бұрын

Ok. Makes sense. I'm thinking sabotage from a child is more likely compared to a dial, preventing me from entering on a day one would want to acess creating a headache .no?

Well for all those commenters worried about EMPs just go buy an old Mosler. Read a few days ago that a number of them survived the atomic bombs on Japan. Plus old safes look cooler

@DeanSafe Are you saying that after (and if/when) an EMP event, that the electronic lock will still work? I believe that it very well might not (I maintained and EMP (supposedly) proof communications room when I was in the USAF) and if it fails to work, you will need to break into it. I am voting on an older proven style, the dial pad for my safe, thank you.

@garythornbury9793

4 жыл бұрын

thanks you answered my question

I still stick with my comment thear are no high severity digital locks just for the fact alone that digital keypads all have someway of buy passing them and yes they may have a high security lock but not keypad and every keypad dus have a buypass for the fact of safty most locks can even be shorted

maybe I am old school, but electronic locks in my book are not reliable, they tend to fail over time, terminal corrosion, some capacitor burned, etc... wheel locks stay same forever...

Let's see more of your daughter

What if the defeated thief gets angry and smashes the keypad with a hammer? Then how do I open an E-Safe?

@DeanSafe

9 жыл бұрын

You would need to replace the keypad. Thanks, John

@motophile5127

9 жыл бұрын

***** Thanks