Guitar Builders Basics Podcast 55 - Shielding a Guitar Control Cavity

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Episode 55 of the guitar builders basics video podcast from Ben Crowe at www.crimsonguitars.com
In this episode, Ben answers a viewer's question on how to properly shield a guitars control cavity. Creating a faraday cage around the bulk of the electronics inside your guitar is the best way to remove unwanted buzz and hum created by lights and power supplies around your guitar. Ben talks through the various options and how he does it at Crimson Guitars.
Chapters
0:00 Introduction
1:58 The question: What is the correct way to shield a control cavity
2:43 The answer: Options - copper sheet, 3M shielding, aluminium foil, shielded wire, (Crimson Guitars now produces Shielding Paint: www.crimsonguitars.com/produc... )
8:29 Another question: pros and cons and should you shield pickups?
9:31 Answers: pickups are grounded so not necessary
10:05 Conclusion
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  • @thegermansat
    @thegermansat9 жыл бұрын

    The hum frequency is 50Hz in the UK (and most of hte world), 60Hz for USA. It's actually the frequency of the grid, and the countries electrical network. The worst part is you also get harmonics, 100, 150, 200... which are more of a trouble for electric guitar. These are luckily much less present than the 50Hz main one.

  • @Chriswoodworker
    @Chriswoodworker4 жыл бұрын

    I remember doing a gig as a young rock star.... at the end of each song my bass used to pick up the local taxi company. Bit embarrassing.

  • @derrickince9413
    @derrickince94134 жыл бұрын

    I recall gig in Germany in the 70s at a military base using a VOX AC30 and a Strat picking up an aircraft's height and position mid song the audience loved it

  • @jatna77
    @jatna779 жыл бұрын

    Question: When designing a guitar, how do you figure out the physical balance, so that it is not neck heavy, the strap buttons are in the right positions and the upper horn, if there is one, is the right length? For example a Parker fly vs. a Les Paul.

  • @DreidMusicalX
    @DreidMusicalX5 жыл бұрын

    I know this is an older video of yours. I also seen the shielded wire on the positive side of the guitar wiring. But I just bought some EMG RA-5 Alnico retro pickups for a guitar I am doing now. The seller said grounding or shielding is not necessary. I still have not got the guitar together, but what is your take on that? Should I still shield the cavities since there is no grounding to the body anymore, or am I just wasting time and money doing it?

  • @majesticmaricachicken6022
    @majesticmaricachicken60226 жыл бұрын

    How do you route/drill the neck pocket is there a specific angle or is it just a 90° or does if change for a Bolt on neck ?

  • @kylem5576
    @kylem55766 жыл бұрын

    He has a bunch of tattoos, looks meaner than hell, but is most likely the nicest man on youtube

  • @scottestes7768

    @scottestes7768

    5 жыл бұрын

    He has that English charm.

  • @paulturner4470

    @paulturner4470

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@scottestes7768 For a South African 🤣🤣🤣

  • @rollingjaguar

    @rollingjaguar

    3 жыл бұрын

    Paul Turner People from former british colonies in east sound and look similar.

  • @sapphirestrat
    @sapphirestrat9 жыл бұрын

    Hey just a quick question, if i were to use shielded wire.. would i then ground the outer shielding to say a pot or other ground?? thanks

  • @BodominLapsi95
    @BodominLapsi959 жыл бұрын

    Hi Ben! I'm about to start a new project, a neck-through Flying V with flame maple top and binding. How would you route for the binding channel for the maple top? My concern is the neck heel area, where it's impossible to get it routed all the way up to the neck (hope you understand what I mean). Would you recommend finishing the top to the stage where it is bound before gluing it to the body?

  • @blakeburress
    @blakeburress4 жыл бұрын

    Hey Ben. I noticed this video is five plus years old now, and having just tried shielding with copper tape for the first time, I wanted to share my experience with you. Good conductive adhesive is a lot more common now. I got my roll of tape from amazon for like $13, and if you don’t do tons of guitars it’s a pretty good deal. That said, I did what I thought was a pretty sloppy job on a tele pick guard, using numerous pieces of tape, and NOT folding any edges over to ensure contact. After covering the whole pickguard surface I got out my multimeter to check it, and the conductivity was great all over the pickguard. I couldn’t find a single dead spot. That said, might make a cool video to give some a try and show it to your viewers. Cheers!

  • @seanreed6780
    @seanreed67809 жыл бұрын

    One time, I was teaching my girlfriend some stuff and I heard some fuzz, turned it up and realized I was listening to radio Disney

  • @dillonchamberlain

    @dillonchamberlain

    3 жыл бұрын

    I can’t explain this but I experienced the same phenomena except it was a cell phone conversation. I live roughly a mile from a Cell tower

  • @seanreed6780

    @seanreed6780

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@dillonchamberlain strange shit man... did you hear anything juicy?

  • @emilbergdahl3063
    @emilbergdahl30637 жыл бұрын

    one quick question to you amazing ppl at Crimson: what glue do i use when gluing the foil down into the cavities if i have woodsealer on already?

  • @technicstim
    @technicstim6 жыл бұрын

    hello could anyone advice me on the sheilded cable size or provide a link. thanks for great video :-)

  • @manojghimire8879
    @manojghimire88796 жыл бұрын

    Hi,Crimson after watching your video i tried sheilding my lespaul standard guitar but the neck pick up doesnot sound after that other are perfects there is no more hum sound .Please help me.What may be the problem.Does i have done it wrong way? Could you please make a video for it? Thankyou

  • @johnroberts838
    @johnroberts8384 жыл бұрын

    Brilliant Video, Thank you for the advice on folding the Copper Tape, Absolutely Brilliant, worked like a charm! In fact it worked that well that at 2 am when I thought I had finished, I plugged it in to test that everything worked there was No hum whatsoever, that being said I didn't realise that I had forgotten to wire the Tremolo Claw or my Body Ground! Admittedly there were no Strings on, but still No Hum! Thank you! 👍👍👍 Take care ♥️🎸👍. Melbourne, Australia.

  • @CrimsonCustomGuitars

    @CrimsonCustomGuitars

    4 жыл бұрын

    My pleaure, it is surprising how much of a difference the little tricks like that make to a build process! B

  • @glennspringthorpe4495
    @glennspringthorpe44958 жыл бұрын

    When shielding I use 'Thermawrap aluminium foil-tape'. It is £5 for a big roll & it has acrylic conductive adhesive on it. Shield your guitar with that & buy a 1/4" roll of copper tape with conductive adhesive solely for cutting 1" lengths to solder your grounding/earth wire to. You can also use 1/2" strips to bridge the joins when using aluminium tape with non-conductive adhesive. this thin roll of copper tape is about £2 off eBay. Job done well & very cheaply 😄. Take care Ben & everyone else.

  • @markwarner5554
    @markwarner55549 жыл бұрын

    I like the black graphite shielding paint. It's easy to apply and cleans up with warm water. It's worth noting that most active pickups (most EMG, SD Blackout, etc.) are shielded internally, and thus shouldn't need shielding in the pickup cavities.

  • @scottestes7768

    @scottestes7768

    5 жыл бұрын

    I haven't had any luck getting an ideal viscosity. Any tips?

  • @susanroycroft89
    @susanroycroft892 жыл бұрын

    I have an Aria Pro 11 Fullerton electric guitar ( strat. copy) floating tremelo, and there's no hum when l play through an amp. Do l need to shield the trem.cavity ?

  • @al23x56
    @al23x564 жыл бұрын

    Charvel DK24 - hum when the pot is fully open or completely closed, hum disappers when touched or adjusted by a tiny fraction away from open or closed position, any idea what could cause this?

  • @jeffparryncc1701
    @jeffparryncc17016 жыл бұрын

    Has anyone used conductive material for lining the guitar?

  • @esa062
    @esa0629 жыл бұрын

    What electric equipment send is radio waves too. Typically 50 Hz in Europe, 60 Hz in America, but also double that due to rectification and some equipment send higher frequencies too. The ones to block are in the kilohertz area and lower, so the Faraday's cage can have holes in it, as long as all parts are electrically connected. Shielded wires inside the cage shouldn't bring any extra shielding, unless the cavity is shielded with badly conductive paint that protects only partially. Shielding only wires might be good enough, especially with single coils that are always noisy anyway. Pickup wires should be shielded, or at least twisted. Twisting cancels interference pretty well too.

  • @Stratocaster893
    @Stratocaster8939 жыл бұрын

    Ooh, very timely video. This is what I'm currently doing on my tele build.

  • @josephmorton1012
    @josephmorton10129 жыл бұрын

    how would you take a guitar back down to bare wood if it has a transparent color like transparent red

  • @jeffwinick8859
    @jeffwinick88597 жыл бұрын

    Great video. Thanks for this! One question: 8:17 you mentioned this guy now uses shielded wire instead of the tape and it works perfectly. For single coil pickups, does that mean its necessary to cut the pickup wires back to their point of origin and splice in shielded cables for those leads? How do you do that without damaging the pickups? Or is it only necessary to do this for wiring that goes between the selector switch, tone/vol pots, and output jack? Thanks again!

  • @jordanharzke9643
    @jordanharzke96433 жыл бұрын

    Will a Faraday cage help with the cell phone signals too? Occasionally when I get texts, I hear a buzz in a rhythmic pattern (I'm assuming that's the data signal) come through my amp. I understand radio signals, but do cell signals react the same?

  • @jordanharzke9643

    @jordanharzke9643

    3 жыл бұрын

    Hope this isn't too old to find still... Lol

  • @stuartgrier5605
    @stuartgrier56055 жыл бұрын

    Greetings. In the UK, the mains frequency is 50Hz. In America it's 60Hz. I have built a couple of single coil guitars, with no shielding and had no issues from phaluroescent lights or soldering arms . I have only found issues if the guitar or amp is not properly earthed. I think American mains sockets do not have a ground connection hence the need for a faraday cage. The UK does, so I do not see any reason to do this. Its possible - probable - that I have been lucky. Keep up the brilliant work, love the videos and I love the guitars, I truly want one bit I need to save the big bucks to be able to get it.

  • @jeremypoythress1218
    @jeremypoythress12184 жыл бұрын

    Will sheets of edible gold with adhesive applied in the middle of each sheet with the corners folded together work as a faraday cage? It's a good conductor but melts under hi temperatures.

  • @sejrec56
    @sejrec565 жыл бұрын

    If I close my eyes I feel like Ian Anderson is taking me through this video . Great info, great voice very professional!

  • @louh9211
    @louh92119 жыл бұрын

    Hi Ben, love your podcast and channel. I'm building my first bass. I've got some 90's Fender Jazz pickups that came out of a MIM J bass. It seems to me like the magnetic field is weak. I've compared them to some cheaper J pickups that I bought for my daughters bass and those $25 ebay pickups are much much more magnetic. Should I be considering RE-magnatizing? Part 2. The 90's made in mexico JBass pickups are the same width for neck and bridge position. I'm considering slanting the neck pickup to hit the strings between the poles. (much like Larry Graham did) Any advice here? Thanks Ben!

  • @geoffdewar8845
    @geoffdewar88455 жыл бұрын

    I enjoyed this video. So many good points made.

  • @timothyeames2187
    @timothyeames21874 жыл бұрын

    If I'm using shielding painting of course crimson guitars brand do you need to screw a ground wire to the cavity

  • @CrimsonCustomGuitars

    @CrimsonCustomGuitars

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for your support, and no.. nit really, it can't hurt but in general the pot and switch backs etc are all touching at least a bit of shielding paint and as such ar doing the same thing. I would maybe test with a meter to be sure it is continuous but that is it.. happy building! B

  • @SaccoBelmonte
    @SaccoBelmonte7 жыл бұрын

    I've discovered that too. The problem with hum is much more related to the hot wires than anything else, if you roll some copper tape over them and ground them the hum will drastically go away, if not eliminate it altogether if you use a thicker tape. The best way I found to localize the noisy wires is by approaching them with my finger, those which happen to produce more hum as you get close are the culprit. Cover them with copper foil and approach them again without grounding, you'll find the hum is much worse. Now all you have to do is to ground that copper and voila! all the hum is gone and as you approach they will not become more noisy.

  • @pacman_pol_pl_polska
    @pacman_pol_pl_polska7 жыл бұрын

    So you're saying shielding control cavity without touching pickups will help? Put some tape, solder it to the back of a pot and that's it?

  • @rabokarabekian409

    @rabokarabekian409

    4 жыл бұрын

    Metal pickup covers are best shielded, just in case. I used shielding "paint" over a super hot quad rial with a plastic cover to get rid of some unexpected noise. I have a light dimmer and sit near a laptop - srt of a noise test bed.

  • @keithhynes7001
    @keithhynes70012 жыл бұрын

    QUESTION: I love your videos! Been watching them for years and have learned tons of invaluable info! I'm about to try shielding ALL of y guitars, ranging from cheap Harley Bentons to PRS Custom 24s, and, although I don't particularly suffer from 60Hz hum, I'm absolutely plagued by a tick which is being picked up by ANY of my pickups due to a electric fence from a neighbouring farmers field. Will this actually help or should I do something else? Really appreciate any advice on this as it's been a HUGE pain point for two years and I'm really at a loss. Thanks in advance!

  • @MrMuncieman
    @MrMuncieman6 жыл бұрын

    I did not have the time to watch this video but is it true that aluminum foil will work just as well as the stickon Copper shielding? I am building a Les Paul guitar

  • @2009mryoda
    @2009mryoda9 жыл бұрын

    Just for info, you can buy Copper tape with conductive glue :-)

  • @rabokarabekian409

    @rabokarabekian409

    4 жыл бұрын

    Aluminium adhesive tape is usually found in the hardware for use on air duct joints (he did refer to it) which is far less troublesome and at the scales of guitar signals is just fine electrically. matmatch.com/blog/materials-used-for-electromagnetic-shielding/

  • @tonecontrol
    @tonecontrol9 жыл бұрын

    I would love to know how to shield a semi hollow or hollow guitar.

  • @faurana

    @faurana

    9 жыл бұрын

    the concept doesn´t change: put conductive material around your electric wires with as little gaps in it as possible and then connect it to the ground. note: make sure not to short circuit anything with the shield.

  • @tonecontrol

    @tonecontrol

    9 жыл бұрын

    faurana Thank you! But I guess I'm wondering about the actual technique to do so, seems a lot harder than a solid body.

  • @faurana

    @faurana

    9 жыл бұрын

    AdrianTracks well, can´t exactly help you there, haven´t done so, but asuming you want to have as little stuff inside your acoustic cavities, in that case shielded wire would most likely proof to be the most simple and effective solution. if that is not available you could go with cutting thin straps of aluminium foil and wrap it around pairs of wires (again making sure there is as little gaps as possible). wrapping the positive and neutral connection wire together in one "package" and connection each single wrap end to the negative connector. this would actually mimic what shielded wires themself do, though shielded wires usually use a woven shield, or if you have a very fancy shielded wire, a combination of woven and wrapped shield (random trivia)

  • @Bloodysugar

    @Bloodysugar

    7 жыл бұрын

    It is a lot harder especially if you want to fill a 335 or so with copper film XD Maybe making a little Faraday cage of copper wires and fixing it around pots would be easier... But well, using such feedback monsters... little electromagnetic bugs shouldn't bother you much more : find the good spot where you're not making your amp scream and don't run around. ;D

  • @bullerfugl

    @bullerfugl

    7 жыл бұрын

    depends on how hollow the guitar is, if its alot, i would find a small(something like a large mints tin) case and then run the electronics inside and shield the inside the tin

  • @ctrent9742
    @ctrent97425 жыл бұрын

    I've started running a single length of copper wire through every cavity in the body, before adding copper tape, with conductive adhesive. I used an ohm meter to confirm continuity. It seems to be an easy way to be sure the neck pickup cavity is connected.

  • @nocturnal101ravenous6
    @nocturnal101ravenous62 жыл бұрын

    I was going to say Dimarzio pickups are shielded, The EVO line had 4 wires 2 hot and 2 ground and a aluminum sheath under the rubber with a plastic separating layers. Fender has several guitars are no longer shielded- Metal pickguard - + noiseless pickups. Aluminum (Aluminium is the element Aluminum is the alloy as per Alcoa/Alcan/Reynolds/Kaiser) The reasoning for this is particularly with some allows there is very very small amounts of Aluminium in the Aluminum alloy this happens on a couple soft alloys and quite a few hard alloys(aerospace alloys). Also your still going to get 60-120 cycle hum even with shielding, because where is the shielding and where are your pickups at.........................not behind the shielding.

  • @FF-so3su
    @FF-so3su4 жыл бұрын

    Ben , you are great👍 Cat music do copper tape with conductive adhesive. PS do I also do the switch cavity and jack cavity with shielding paint?

  • @plywoodcarjohnson5412
    @plywoodcarjohnson54123 жыл бұрын

    Interference with outside magnetic fields is probably affecting the currents in the wires so it makes sense that isolated wires solves the problem. There is also metalshielding on humbuckers. But exposed wire, such as it is when you are soldering has no isolation. So both isolated wire and coppertape should be safe. Any shifting electromagnetic field creates currents inside a wire. But if the tape has glue that is non conductive? A cage is a cage is a cage, right? But ok, overlapping tape will not connect with one another. But small gaps should not lead to fields going into the cage. If the roof is connected to the floor that should be enough. Scraping off some glue ought to work. Also you could roll the tape and create a tunnel leading from pickupcavity to controlcavity. Thereby isolating the wires. And testing the system could be done with a cellphone which gives off electromagnetic fields. An interesting way of connecting the roof to the floor ought to be the screws. If the tape goes up and covers the holes of the screws which in turn leads through the copper of the "lid". That means five points where the lid connects with the floor.A car has four connections from roof to floor. And they lead lightning on the outside. Well well.. To each his own. Trial and error!

  • @golfedude1
    @golfedude19 жыл бұрын

    Hi could you do a video on how too carve a maple les paul top with with hand tools and without time consuming jigs. Thanks

  • @kennethcohagen9037
    @kennethcohagen90379 жыл бұрын

    It's 60 HZ hum in America, 50HZ in Europe. Europe uses an A/C transmission frequency of 50 HZ because they believe that 60 HZ will interfere with your heart if you come in contact with the current. The major difference is in the value the filter capacitors need to be in a A/C to D/C power supplies, and almost every piece of electronics uses DC, or Direct Current to run the circuit. But DC is hard to transmit over long distances. The resistance in the cable running from the power plant to your house would be enough to overcome the electric current trying to get to your home. alternating current skill suffers some losses, but will travel much farther with less loss of current. Now when that current reaches your amp it passes through wires that are run through all of your walls, surrounding your amp and guitar. The guitar's pickup creates a very small current as the strings move past the magnetic field given off the pickups magnet and being directed through the airspace surrounding your pickups small wire coils. That small current then passes through your guitar's cable, to the Amp's pre amp section which magnifies the current to a much higher degree, but with out shielding it also picks up a great deal of faint electrical impulses from everything surrounding the preamp. The windings in your pickup along with the cable coming from your guitar to the amp make a very basic antennae which picks up all sorts of unwanted noise. That's why such care must be taken to shield the guitar.

  • @thumbslam1
    @thumbslam19 жыл бұрын

    Hello Ben..what glue do you think is best to use in gluing up multi-laminate exotic "possibly oily" necks? What will glue and add the most strength and have the least amount of cratering and movement and hold different woods together through the ages like wenge, maple, rosewood, purpleheart, cocobolo etc...?????

  • @CrimsonCustomGuitars

    @CrimsonCustomGuitars

    9 жыл бұрын

    If you're worried about oily woods then you can use acetone or similar to rub down the gluing surface an hour or so before you start clamping up.. However, I have found that polyurethane glue works on pretty much anything.. Messy stuff but very very good if you're worried about delamination. Always do a test glue up with scrap cost though imo.

  • @thumbslam1

    @thumbslam1

    9 жыл бұрын

    Crimson Custom Guitars Thanks Ben you are incredibly generous with your time and information. I was thinking of that exact method sanding, wiping down with naphtha and using the poy glues. I had read somewhere that it’s not as strong as say Titebond original but does play nice with oily woods. Strength is a big concern as I’m building 5 string basses and some with fanned frets so the necks will have a lot of tension and long span length wise. Thanks again so much for your input...

  • @CrimsonCustomGuitars

    @CrimsonCustomGuitars

    9 жыл бұрын

    My pleasure.. I really don't think there is much difference in strengths between the glues, if anything I think poly is better as it doesn't delamination with heat or moisture in my experience. Have fun, sounds like great builds!

  • @mattmartinez7135
    @mattmartinez71357 жыл бұрын

    Question. My guitar has been grounded and shielded as well as uses active pickups. My problem is, the guitar makes a hum sound when I get close to it but stops when I touch hardware. My noise gate covers most of it but it's still very apparent. Any idea how I can fix this? Guitar seems to be a lot worse with passives. With passives the hum is insanely loud. Thanks!

  • @altrock86

    @altrock86

    7 жыл бұрын

    Richard Martinez I had this problem on one guitar and even though it was grounded I unsoldered the ground and then re solder it and is now very quiet with passive pickups. Make sure your soldering iron is hot enough

  • @SaccoBelmonte

    @SaccoBelmonte

    7 жыл бұрын

    I've discovered the problem with hum is much more related to the hot wires than anything else, if you roll some copper tape over them and ground them the hum will drastically go away, if not eliminate it altogether if you use a thicker tape. The best way I found to localize the noisy wires is by approaching them with my finger, those which happen to produce more hum as you get close are the culprit. Cover them with copper foil and approach them again without grounding, you'll find the hum is much worse. Now all you have to do is to ground that copper and voila! all the hum is gone and as you approach they will not become more noisy.

  • @mattmartinez7135

    @mattmartinez7135

    7 жыл бұрын

    Thanks guys!!! I'll try these techniques. Just been living with these problems.

  • @mikefranks417

    @mikefranks417

    5 жыл бұрын

    Richard, I had exactly the same problem, so bad I was planning to overhaul the guitar. Then, completely by coincidence, I happened to use a different cable, no more noise! Just sayin, might be worth a shot. I also agree with others who have mentioned cold solder joints. These won't show up with an ohmmeter, but it takes only an hour or so to go through the whole guitar. One final thing - make sure the jack is in good shape. These take a lot of wear, may get sloppy, terminals may crack, etc. A decent jack can be had for under $10 u.s.

  • @TootEmCarMan
    @TootEmCarMan4 жыл бұрын

    I know this is an older video but hopefully you will see this Ben. You talked about shielded cables, well, how about getting them for next to nothing. Old laptop wifi antenna cables. They have a single core with a woven shield and are usually of a decent quality. As a side note, if you are also in to model building then stripping the sheath and the core out then flattening the sheild then adding some black paint and you have a very convincing looking seat belt.

  • @andrewharper1609
    @andrewharper16094 жыл бұрын

    I remember when I got my first guitar I was sat on top of my amp and found that if I put my hand in the air I picked up a radio signal. I couldn't tell you which station as the signal was in German. In America it's 60 cycle hum, my Dad tells me in England it's 50 cycle.

  • @mediocrefunkybeat
    @mediocrefunkybeat9 жыл бұрын

    I like Radio 4! Reminds me of an old, unshielded surround sound system I had that picked up French MW radio signals during the evening. Was quite entertaining.

  • @prograven4844
    @prograven48447 жыл бұрын

    my bass is all sealed and still it has a weird hum.. when touch on the pole piece on the pickup

  • @Crisis_Brew

    @Crisis_Brew

    7 жыл бұрын

    grounding issue

  • @brainnok
    @brainnok8 жыл бұрын

    You mentioned using shielded audio cable instead of normal shielding via a Faraday cage. Can you please tell me exactly what kind of wire you are talking about? A link or a model name or part number would really help? Also, are you wiring the entire guitar with this stuff?

  • @dozukime
    @dozukime9 жыл бұрын

    Hi Ben, as a beginning builder each podcast shows how far there is to go, great. my question is on pickups, info on mag pups are easy accessible, but piezos, what are the options, do you make the casing & surround yourself? Thanks, Martin.

  • @fahdchoudry7763
    @fahdchoudry77637 жыл бұрын

    I saw a video of someone opening the cavity of a Gibson Les Paul and there was no copper tape/foil in the cavity. Why doesn't Gibson copper shield the cavities? Why do they not shield it at all with anything?

  • @AnthonyMonaghan

    @AnthonyMonaghan

    7 жыл бұрын

    Because the pick ups are already grounded...according to this video.

  • @MarkLindsayCNC
    @MarkLindsayCNC9 жыл бұрын

    Mr. Crowe, if you don't have T-Shirts in the Crimson Shop that say, "I Blame Tom" by weekend, I, for one, will be sorely disappointed...

  • @NachoManRandySandwich

    @NachoManRandySandwich

    7 жыл бұрын

    Mark Lindsay Tom's the worst 😂

  • @DeepPastry
    @DeepPastry6 жыл бұрын

    Also, maybe add twisting your wiring as much as possible. You have wire pairs coming off each coil, twist those together. Plus, you can get rolls of copper foil tape that has conductive adhesive now fairly cheaply from Amazon, StewMac, etc.

  • @stankywank6707
    @stankywank67078 жыл бұрын

    I mostly play my guitar in the dark corner of my studio lit by nothing but candlelight, so I think I'm good without a faraday cage.

  • @jimmcdaniel7210

    @jimmcdaniel7210

    8 жыл бұрын

    lol

  • @Luciffrit
    @Luciffrit6 жыл бұрын

    Would silicone adhesive work for shielding? Silicone is a semiconductor.

  • @larrythecomputerguy

    @larrythecomputerguy

    6 жыл бұрын

    Most silicon adhesive is NOT conductive---often used as an INSULATOR!

  • @guitarwhores753
    @guitarwhores7537 жыл бұрын

    How do you light your vids? You have great lighting. -Zach-

  • @22046792
    @220467928 жыл бұрын

    Played a gig in a pub where i would pick up the taxis outside. Taxi driver coming out of a 100W tube Peavey! :-)

  • @tyrssen1
    @tyrssen17 жыл бұрын

    QUESTION, BEN: I've seen lots of vids using thin foil to shield guitar cavities. Some of the paints available specifically for the purpose look just a whole lot easier. Got a preference? Pros ad cons? (Ahh yes, I too experienced "Nigel Tufnel/Spinal Tap Syndrome" years ago, picking up radio signals ... Aaaaargh!)

  • @Stratocaster893
    @Stratocaster8939 жыл бұрын

    I'm pretty sure you can get the copper sheet with conductive adhesive. Seems to be working for me. I can't remember where I bought it though.

  • @barneycarparts

    @barneycarparts

    8 жыл бұрын

    +Stratocaster893 the nursery section in a Home Store carries copper tape as a snail and slug stopper.

  • @Stratocaster893

    @Stratocaster893

    8 жыл бұрын

    barneycarparts The stuff I got was specifically for guitar builders. The conductive adhesive really goes a long way to making things easier because you don't have to worry about joining the different plates to make sure you have a electrical connection. Just stick them down so they overlap and job done. Really useful.

  • @mikefranks417

    @mikefranks417

    5 жыл бұрын

    I would need to test conductive adhesive actually works rather than being a market gimmick. To be conductive the adhesive would need to well impregnated with metal particles. As long as each strip of shielding touches something conductive, like foil on the cavity cover or pickguard, you should be good to go. If in doubt, a small dab of solder can be used to connect the strips. Or as others have suggested, start with a piece of heavy duty aluminum foil large enough to cover the whole cavity.

  • @amado1957
    @amado19572 жыл бұрын

    Holy sh_t love you tools in the background !!

  • @CrimsonCustomGuitars

    @CrimsonCustomGuitars

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you. I have a weakness!

  • @pastorkev777
    @pastorkev7774 жыл бұрын

    What is your opinion of shielding paint?

  • @BigWilleyMusicandFun
    @BigWilleyMusicandFun9 жыл бұрын

    very good info thanks

  • @CrimsonCustomGuitars

    @CrimsonCustomGuitars

    9 жыл бұрын

    My pleasure, thanks for watching :)

  • @jamesfurz7406
    @jamesfurz74066 жыл бұрын

    The difference between shielding between copper and aluminium is that aluminium has low permeability and therefor will not block magnetic wave interference. Aluminium will stop electric field however. In the kind of environments that you'll experience at home practising are most likely electric field and coming from lights, power supplies, monitors... In a giging environment where there is a significant amount of power going around the room there is a much greater chance of magnetic fields and so copper would be preferable. As you say in the video shielded wire does most of the job for you, I don't understand why people still use single core wire inside guitars when going from pickups to switches and switches to output, its' not practical to use on all connections however... Some pickups have a reasonable Faraday cage around them, some don't.... For the sake of it just get some copper tape with conductive adhesive and do the whole lot. This way it will be as quiet as practical and in the UK can be done for about £10 a guitar. Make sure you join the different cavities together and bond it all to 0V (Ground) at a single point. This is all much more important the higher gain that you play, if you're a metal player then shield shield shield!! As much as guitaring is "old school" and people like it done the traditional way. The best, lowest total cost (in a production environment) to a low noise guitar is a well designed pickup which naturally shields itself and PCBs for the switches, pots and connection to the output jack. People don't like them, but they are far better for electrical noise, reliability and manufacturing....

  • @ErikJensenDetroit
    @ErikJensenDetroit7 жыл бұрын

    60 Hz in the US, but I suppose it would be 50 Hz hum in the UK.

  • @TheDracfink
    @TheDracfink9 жыл бұрын

    what are your thoughts of shielding paint?

  • @CrimsonCustomGuitars

    @CrimsonCustomGuitars

    9 жыл бұрын

    TheDracfink it is pretty expensive and needs several coats to be effective.. I like it in principle but when there are other options that are foolproof I tend to go with those... currently!

  • @dazarp
    @dazarp7 жыл бұрын

    brilliant

  • @DavidPatersonPortraits
    @DavidPatersonPortraits4 жыл бұрын

    Does the bridge have to be earthed? My cheepo isn't.

  • @CrimsonCustomGuitars

    @CrimsonCustomGuitars

    4 жыл бұрын

    There has to be some sort of earth between the strings and the Jack, most commonly that is at the bridge but could be tail piece etc. B

  • @higler.
    @higler.9 жыл бұрын

    I find that using shielded wire is just a pain. The shielding is so thick that it adds extra weight to the wire and your solder joints, and seems to stress the exposed wire a lot. I just fear it might snap/break at the wire. I guess heavily tinning the wire could help?

  • @eirikstorvik2413
    @eirikstorvik24137 жыл бұрын

    Could you then wire in a small antenna or pocket radio to your electronics and use radio as a backingtrack :P

  • @U014B

    @U014B

    7 жыл бұрын

    Even better: you could use it as a noise waveform generator to control with the guitar.

  • @obus4186
    @obus41865 жыл бұрын

    Dig the Medieval tool collection. I'm sure they have something to do with building guitars.

  • @StephenKramerstevefunk
    @StephenKramerstevefunk5 жыл бұрын

    you're from SA originally right?

  • @add-123
    @add-1232 жыл бұрын

    People use carbon and graphite with acrylic paint but iv got some titanium dioxide and NASA use that and I have lots has it been used in guitar cavities do ya know

  • @learnmusic488
    @learnmusic4884 жыл бұрын

    Very late to the party on this one, but there’s one thing he didn’t mention... The pickup screws CANNOT touch the “Faraday cage”... _{Unless they’re ‘Not’ made out of metal, that is}_ Alot of weird things start to happen with your output if they do... so a very very small (non-conductive) perimeter around the pickup(s) screw holes are necessary..

  • @Steph-de6ne
    @Steph-de6ne7 жыл бұрын

    Now i get it why he is so obsessed with Copper Guitat. Helpfull Vid tho! Keep up the hard Work!

  • @rabokarabekian409

    @rabokarabekian409

    4 жыл бұрын

    matmatch.com/blog/materials-used-for-electromagnetic-shielding/

  • @ranrjbneztnarf8932
    @ranrjbneztnarf89327 жыл бұрын

    You seem like a humble man. I like that. Good content ಠ_ಠ

  • @t0ddbr0wn731
    @t0ddbr0wn7319 жыл бұрын

    Should beginner luthiers buy S.A.E. Or metric tool starter kits and what your opinion on Fanned fret guitars. Have you built any? Thanks love the podcast Todd in Ky USA

  • @vformarallo

    @vformarallo

    9 жыл бұрын

    He has a video where he draws a fanned fretboard if you re interested

  • @Hornblas189

    @Hornblas189

    4 жыл бұрын

    Only one system has made it to the moon my dude...and it ain’t metric.

  • @LeeroyMajors
    @LeeroyMajors9 жыл бұрын

    I must be lucky, no Laptop Battery issues here, in fact I find it to be the opposite, while a laptop is plugged into mains they're usually pretty noisy, but I've found when they're ran on battery there's no noise.

  • @sirclerox
    @sirclerox9 жыл бұрын

    Hey Ben! I was watching the podcast I missed during my holidays, at the Kathmandu airport, (I gotta say, internet is quiet awesome for that!), but anyhow here is my next question that has been on the top of my head for bit: What would be the advantage, if there is one, to have on any fretted bowed instrument, a deported nut and thus a scale that ends up at a fret, that I would call the " fret 0", situated a few millimeters before the nut? I have seen this on high quality (German?) Bass guitars and more recently in a Nepali music shop full of horrible copies of Gibson's famous with that very feature, so far I still don't believe that Gibson or any other major brand is doing such a thing. It really had me thinking why would a third world manufacturer would bother with something that add extra work? And does it really change something? The only thing I could think of was the open string sound consistency but it doesn't work for the German basses as they use brass nuts... Maybe it is to make the instrument set up easier so you don't get a "fret1" Buzz which easily occur on 5 or 6 string basses. ... I don't know this thing is driving me "nuts"!!! I thing is for sure, it adds an interesting visual feature! Ps: does this really look like a question? You probably spend more time reading this that you need to answer !!! Ha! Another C-Bomb! Peace out😁😛😁

  • @sleepy22602
    @sleepy226026 жыл бұрын

    you need a vid on how to stick tape in a cavity?

  • @Drewcifer1972
    @Drewcifer19727 жыл бұрын

    Have you ever considered conductive paint?

  • @suspectdown5133

    @suspectdown5133

    7 жыл бұрын

    Andrew Olmsted - I had a experience with the conductive paint. I rebuild and fix 1988 Casio PG-380 synth guitars (look them up) I own a new one I bought in 1989. Had bought a few off of ebay to rebuild.These guitars were manufactured with the black conductive paint lightly sprayed in the entire cavity front and back. I received the guitar from ebay and started playing it (not plugged in) and it felt different than mine,the resonating in the guitar seemed deader than mine more like a thud,these guitars have very little wood to fit the synth and electronics in it. I opened it and someone had used the black conductive paint painted on real heavy in all the cavities. It did affect the feel of the guitar.I did check mine with a meter and the paint was working fine,I would say use it very lightly IMO. EDIT; I think you will find the copper conducts better and is less mess.There is a video of a guy doing his guitar with both and came to the same conclusion.He also used a guitar string with holes to connect the front cavities to the back and showed with a meter what was going on.

  • @jonnyrochester1141
    @jonnyrochester11414 жыл бұрын

    If you don't have shielded wire, twisting the pair of wires together will cancel most unwanted noise.

  • @pauledwards8947
    @pauledwards89477 жыл бұрын

    copper tape..most gardening kinda places sell copper tape for use as a slug barrier...guitar related sites prices seem to be twice as much forsame...

  • @leoryan99

    @leoryan99

    6 жыл бұрын

    paul edwards I use slug tape

  • @plywoodcarjohnson5412
    @plywoodcarjohnson54123 жыл бұрын

    With killer snails (who can't stand sliding over copper) the price of copper tape has probably gone down. Ten meters is now 100 SEK. (Ten pounds/dollars).

  • @ebandcamp
    @ebandcamp3 жыл бұрын

    60 cycle hum !

  • @Barrygee
    @Barrygee9 жыл бұрын

    spray adhesive and aluminium foil from the supermarket works just as well and costs next to nothing....just think how many guitars you can do with a roll of good old baking foil

  • @scottestes7768

    @scottestes7768

    5 жыл бұрын

    Yeah,..........but copper is fancy and it makes me feel good inside.

  • @83roadstar

    @83roadstar

    5 жыл бұрын

    Copper also solders a lot nicer than aluminum foil

  • @mbrown5494
    @mbrown54947 жыл бұрын

    So, why not a big piece of kitchen foil? It's electrically the same, and all you are doing is controlling the ground signal. It's a field concern, not a conductive concern per se. I've never done this, but would bet my left nut that there is little/no difference in noise between standard kitchen foil and any other shielding method.

  • @cbfedge5593

    @cbfedge5593

    6 жыл бұрын

    Michael Brown correct

  • @jeremiahstaggs311

    @jeremiahstaggs311

    5 жыл бұрын

    In my experience aluminum tears more easily. It also absorbs less interference than copper. I have actually noticed a difference in the noise level in cases of extreme interference. and copper seems to stretch a bit more making it easier to install. that my two cents

  • @jvin248
    @jvin2489 жыл бұрын

    +1 for the aluminum flashing tape, it's thicker than normal kitchen foil. Had a roll left over from a roofing job and used it on two noisy guitars, slated for two more. Shielded wire source is old RCA cables from the VCR/stereo days. Bought a used flying V before that was really noisy; did the cage and it helped as much as any but the huge fix for that particular guitar happened after replacing the very long output jack wires with shielded audio cable. If that had not fixed that one I would have done this to it "star grounding" www.guitarnuts.com/wiring/shielding/shield3.php .

  • @brainnok

    @brainnok

    8 жыл бұрын

    +jvin248 What kind of shielded audio cable did you use? I am trying to find some.

  • @jvin248

    @jvin248

    8 жыл бұрын

    +blahtalk .. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RCA_connector cut the plugs off and use the wire. I have found some of these wires not properly shielded: effectively only a twisted pair, that you don't see until you cut the plugs off. It should have a center conductor, insulator, then wire/foil wrapping, plus outer insulation cover.

  • @brainnok

    @brainnok

    8 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for your help! I'm going to try to find some without RCA plugs attached.

  • @elymolloy8333
    @elymolloy83335 жыл бұрын

    go immediately to 4:41 for a good laugh.

  • @thysdreyer6886
    @thysdreyer68862 жыл бұрын

    Aluminium foil works the best , agreed

  • @WutipongWongsakuldej
    @WutipongWongsakuldej8 жыл бұрын

    I would worry about the chargers before laptop battery :).

  • @thomasshore2069
    @thomasshore20694 жыл бұрын

    The operative word is cycle, 60 cycle hum!

  • @quasiczarcasm
    @quasiczarcasm8 жыл бұрын

    I would pick up airplane radio communications before I shielded bass.

  • @CrimsonCustomGuitars

    @CrimsonCustomGuitars

    8 жыл бұрын

    Wow, I would bane seriously left it unshielded busy for the sheer awesomeness of that :)

  • @quasiczarcasm

    @quasiczarcasm

    8 жыл бұрын

    +Crimson Custom Guitars It was pretty cool for a while but the interruptions my to practice became annoying. It did inspire me to get a radio scanner so I can still listen to them more clearly.

  • @utahnick

    @utahnick

    8 жыл бұрын

    +Honor of Týr lol 👍

  • @melexdy

    @melexdy

    8 жыл бұрын

    +Honor of Týr Are you sure your socket was grounded?

  • @blackie75

    @blackie75

    7 жыл бұрын

    I'd like to see some study into shielding. I recently shielded my stratocaster, and it made no discernible difference whatsoever.

  • @willturner803
    @willturner8039 жыл бұрын

    There's no beating a faradays cage in my opinion. It's foolproof.

  • @lignumsus6393
    @lignumsus63938 жыл бұрын

    Hope this makes my guitar stop picking up radio stations.

  • @1980bwc
    @1980bwc6 жыл бұрын

    Instead of giving the pros and cons, you gave two pros! Lol. It's 60 cycle hum. Cheers!

  • @simonnylund
    @simonnylund4 жыл бұрын

    You came for 2:16

  • @starr_shine3060
    @starr_shine30606 жыл бұрын

    Al-loo-minium

  • @sinr764
    @sinr7643 жыл бұрын

    less talk, more do!!!

  • @CountryHouseGent
    @CountryHouseGent9 жыл бұрын

    Lol. "Pick up Radio 4"? Poor man. Lucky it wasn't Radio Cumbria, good god !!! 😱

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