My socials: linktr.ee/lawvs Haas are desperate to keep the Hulk: kzread.info/dash/bejne/q5-ok6SHZreXorQ.html

@teamredgutz399

6 ай бұрын

Nico is a very solid upper midfield driver and is in the top 20 all time point scorers in F1. I expect he will be a driver for Audi in 2026. The desire for a proven German driver is strong. And I do not think it will be Mick.

Gene needs to sell the team too. He clearly does not care about trying to be competitive which is a shame and shouldn’t be allowed in F1.

@LawVS

6 ай бұрын

I get what you're saying but I reckon he's waiting for the right buyer and the right time for an optimal return on investment. F1 is still pretty popular and has further room to grow. Also, he would rather see the team perish than get into the clutches of Michael Andretti after the last few years.

@mitchhifi9192

6 ай бұрын

​@@LawVSAgreed, Andretti seems super arrogant. Definitely don't want a loud mouth American in F1

@spawnofapathy

6 ай бұрын

It can be argued that having paid drivers, or like Lance Stroll who consistently underperform is demonstrating a lack of trying to be competitive and then also shouldn’t be allowed in F1 too. It doesn’t really vibe with being said to be the “pinnacle of Motorsport”. Some of these teams should make some changes.

@BootyT69

6 ай бұрын

I remember hearing somewhere that Gene has admitted that, he has no desire to improve the performance of the car, saying that his advertising of his company is good the way it is with just his name on the car, should sell to someone who gives a rats.

@davidvalencia129

6 ай бұрын

​@spawnofapathy Well the thing is almost every driver is a pay driver, Historic greats like Lauda, Fernando, Alonso had to put their money or someone elses money to race!

Im glad you've brought it up. Everyone loves gunther because hes the funny shouty man but if we're honest what has he actually achieved in all that time at haas?

@LawVS

6 ай бұрын

I think that Drive to Survive saved his career, combined with 2020's umm...issues.

@anareel4562

6 ай бұрын

The only achievement I see him having is setting the Williams on fire after it got a podium😂

@Amm17ar

6 ай бұрын

Think about what hes had to contend with though......Rich Energy, Mazepin and Mazespin, Russians being banned from everything, losing his title sponsor money.....twice. 2023 was the first year they had any sort of drama-free racing. I dont think its fair to say hes a bad principle just yet. I think give him 1 more season to make any progress and then we can start asking questions, but its a bit too soon given all the BS hes dealt with. Im surprised he hasnt Fok Smashed himself out of F1 by now.

@jacobmassey3897

6 ай бұрын

​@@Amm17arall the problems you listed were his decision in the first place 😂

@Amm17ar

6 ай бұрын

@@jacobmassey3897 Ah yeah, he definitely knew Russia was going to invade Ukraine. And if you know anything about the Rich energy BS. Youd know they were frauding a lot more people than just Haas. They did their due dilligence faking everything to get something like a F1 sponsorship..... He definitely should have done more to make sure, but they werent both his fault...

I feel like Guenther is not the only problem with HAAS Gene is way too comfortable with haas being a backmarker team, he just lacks the desire to win or achieve any kind of success in f1 The board members are also too comfortable with its position They need to put on some more pressure on gene to make the team perform better

@LawVS

6 ай бұрын

Indeed. Multiple factors but the TP is a major figurehead in the whole widget still.

@jasonkrisko6217

6 ай бұрын

It's the same thing in nascar, Gene is too comfy not being competitive.

I mostly feel bad for what happened with Schumacher's career at Haas. I reckon he needed more time in F1 to really grow. His first season in 2021 you can largely throw away, there was no point in pushing that car to its absolute limit when they were competing with nobody and I doubt the team were pushing him hard to do so either, they'd rather have fewer crashes and let him drive it at 96%. And his teammate didn't push him either, there were so many races where Mick came close to lapping Mazepin just with both in clear air aside from blue flags. Then 2022 came, Mazepin got kicked out, they started with a decently competitive car and Schumacher suddenly had to frive in F1 to the limit again. 2022 was basically his rookie season. He had quite a couple of crashes, but on pace he was quite competitive with Magnussen, just needed more experience.

@LawVS

6 ай бұрын

Agreed. Guenther condemned Mick to purgatory...but I guess him going was for the best as Mick has had time with Hamilton to learn as well as get Alpine on side.

@temiomo-loto4122

5 ай бұрын

Finally someone said what I’ve been thinking I’d say same for yuki but only difference was they didn’t make his 2022 season a make or break for him rather the 2023 which should have been what haas did especially when your a rookie and told that next season you’re gonna need to learn how to drive a whole different car, in terms of regulations, to the car you started out in.

And now Guenther has left. Prediction at its finest.

As an American, I have little love for the Haas team. You’re right in that we generally love winners, but we also have a love for the underdog (a part of why I’m such a huge Checo fan). Haas doesnt qualify as either, nor do they present themselves as overtly American. Williams looked more American than Haas this year.

@resyrum5301

6 ай бұрын

At most, Haas is an Italian-American team

@matthewcale8037

6 ай бұрын

I feel like there are more American William's fans than there are American Haas fans. Which tells a lot about how they have managed to fail so badly.

@ethanstiles948

6 ай бұрын

Logan Sargaent is our American underdog story, and Williams has a way better chance of having a good performance. I can’t wait to see what they can do in the upcoming season.

@LawVS

6 ай бұрын

That's a fair point. Underdogs and winners are seen as being worth supporting. Haas are just...there.

@Supra_Rankin

6 ай бұрын

There's underdog then there's delusional haha

It says a lot that this team is going to punt another year to focus on new regulations just like 2021. Feel for Hulk and K-Mag, who were both let down by the car massively on Sunday.

@LawVS

6 ай бұрын

Especially since Nico is not getting any younger and has to wait for 2025 to get to Audi probably. Unless Haas can really turn things around and get some upgrades on that stick.

@charlesdarwin7253

6 ай бұрын

On Sunday? What the hell did Haas do to those guys on Christmas Eve! Have they not suffered enough this year?!

@dreamfactory3877

6 ай бұрын

@@LawVS if Audi is serious they will keep Bottas and try for Norris

@f1david995

5 ай бұрын

@@dreamfactory3877 Bottas........he is quite old too and is mediocre

No disrespect to Guenther Steiner, but It's about damn time for Haas to get their act together to find a new team principal or change their management structure for improvement. Good luck beating Williams and Sauber next season if you're stuck in the same position as the past three seasons. I honestly don't see Haas moving further up the midfield at this point.

@LawVS

6 ай бұрын

As I say in the video, you can't fault Guenther's efforts in setting up the team and getting them going; but he doesn't seem to have a plan to get them consistently back to the midfield over the course of the whole season.

@josemonsaji

6 ай бұрын

U mean williams and team kick sauber?

@viniciusbraga9881

6 ай бұрын

@@josemonsaji "damn, these Saubers are kicking"

I think Drive to Survive allowed him to stay longer but I agree that it’s time for a change

@LawVS

6 ай бұрын

Definitely.

Btw the fact that Gunther Steiner sounds like he is german is due to the fact that he is from south tyrol a region in Italy which belonged to Austria till ww1 and still is mainly german speaking

@LawVS

6 ай бұрын

Thank you! That makes a lot more sense. I appreciate the contextual illumination. :)

When he kept Grosjean on after 2019, I began to doubt his decision making as team principal among other questionable decisions. Like the guy but it’s time for a shake up

@LawVS

6 ай бұрын

It's a fair point. I imagine that Haas probably didn't want to rock the boat with the lineup as a consistent lineup would be more productive in terms of upgrades...but that was their party line for years though.

@The_ZeroLine

6 ай бұрын

Grosjean…the French Maldonado.

@clansome

6 ай бұрын

@@The_ZeroLine Except Maldonado actually won a GP.

I think I've said this before, but when Logan got that single point, I was SO PROUD 🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲 Like... I understood why Italians get so passionate (albeit in a MUCH smaller way of course!) Haas doesn't give me that same feeling. Nico was fun to watch in a lot of qualifying rounds, but I never felt like "wow that American team!" In fact, Williams felt more American and less of bad American cosplay done by Europeans who have gotten all their American facts from sitcoms 🤷‍♀️ If Gene wanted to do better in the standings, Gunther would change how it's managed. But for now, if money is the goal, it doesn't matter. But I agree with you why it might be time for a change too.

@LawVS

6 ай бұрын

I see what you mean. Logan has the American pride and desire to impress...Haas just seem to exist.

I really wonder how much of a development impact Grosjean had on the Haas cars because ever since he has left Haas, they only seem to go backwards every season.

@LawVS

6 ай бұрын

He seemed to have a better understanding of where to develop...but you're right.

Surprisingly, I've seen this exact thing being said relatively commonly. Heck, it was like one of the first things my dad told me when I got him into F1, and he saw Haas' lack of progress.

@LawVS

6 ай бұрын

A very perceptive fellow then!

I feel the issues with HAAS goes deeper than just Gunther Steiner, because its not just the F1 team struggling, they're not exactly lighting it up in NASCAR either (which is Stewart-HAAS in that sport). It might take cleaning house, so to speak, and just start from scatch with a whole new management team. If they're waiting for Ferrari to come and save them, I'm afraid they're waiting for something that most likely will never come. HAAS, much like their situation with Ford in NASCAR, will just be "the other guy that also runs Ferrari powered cars".

@LawVS

6 ай бұрын

Indeed. Ferrari have got their own team to look after.

Well, this video aged super well lmao

bro predicted the future

It feels like the Team Principal equivalent of the Daniel Ricciardo situation at Mclaren last year, sure he's a funny meme-able guy but the team needs results at the end of the day.

@LawVS

6 ай бұрын

Good point.

Finally, someone else is saying this! He handled the Mick situation by making him a scapegoat bc he could not handle criticism from the Swiss press, Guenther is a little crybaby, honestly. I think Simone Resta would be an excellent TP for Haas. As excellent as one can be for that steaming pile of excrement that pretends to care about F1

@LawVS

6 ай бұрын

Oh he most certainly handled the Mick situation poorly; but considering I am a Mick fan, I chose to not include that here as I would not hold back. Also, I wanted to be fair and showcase that his groundwork got Haas to where it reached in 2018; but then Rich Energy came along...

@thedj9553

6 ай бұрын

@@LawVS Hello fellow Mick fan lol, glad to find another one of us haha *insert "One of us! One of us!" gif here*. But in all seriousness, I agree with you, again, that Steiner must go, and I applaud your restraint in not including the Mick situation in the video, I know I could do a 15 minute rant solely based on that haha

I'm an American and have had F1 pain since Andretti drove for McLaren in 1993. I was so excited to see that but at least he got a podium where his dad got the championship

@LawVS

6 ай бұрын

Kinda makes you wonder if Michael had stuck around a little longer, maybe he might have turned up finally...but then we'd have no Mika storming in with Ayrton.

It’s been time to have that conversation for YEARS

Otmar deserved 2023 more than Gunther deserves 2024.

@Nekudza

5 ай бұрын

Damn right. Alonso destroyed Ottmar's carreer and nobody remembers how he constantly was pushing over his weight in Force India

Who ever valuated Haas’ team value at more than Williams is IDK what, but that’s just insane with Haas being HQ’ed in the wrong place, having few in-house capabilities and having a brand name and legacy no where near that of Williams, which is still tied for the most titles ever.

@LawVS

6 ай бұрын

It's barely more than Williams and I reckon that with James doing the job he is doing, that value will increase quickly.

THIS AGED SO INCREDIBLY WELL

Huh, LawVS I have to say that I didn’t expect that you would be so on point. I guess Gene has seen this video. 😅

Haas needs an overhaul. Revamp their management structure, change their operation processes, etc etc. Of the backmarkers, Williams is already changing themselves to push forward on the standings(and their results show), Sauber is waiting for Audi to come in, Alpha Tauri has already made plans to work closer with RB within legal means to push themselves forward. What has Haas done? The fact that they can't even provide a good environment for rookie drivers is already a massive red flag(and Williams openly being in survival mode still manages to provide a good environment for Russell and now Logan to grow), what goes on behind the screen at Haas? If their rookie drivers get shat on, then what of their junior engineers?

@LawVS

6 ай бұрын

They really do...but I don't see them doing that unless Nico walks.

Haas is not a racing team. Gene Haas has a single objective, to be a title sponsor without paying a cent for it. Once you accept this, it will all be clear. As long as the prize money equals or exceeds the expenditure, Gene is happy. Guenther Steiner is doing everything Gene Haas is asking of him and that includes pretending to be a racing team.

@LawVS

6 ай бұрын

I suppose. It's a billboard for the CNC company.

Genuinely wild that in 2008/9, when the cost cap was campaigned for, you had some other teams recently spending well over ten to fifteen times the budget those teams wanted to race on. No wonder they couldn't catch up...

@LawVS

6 ай бұрын

Toyota being the epitome of that.

Wow, your timing

Thanks for the podcast version that's got all the sound efx and stuff removed. Makes it obvious how much work you do put into these videos.

@LawVS

6 ай бұрын

Not to mention how I can plan ahead and make it easier for myself later on!

Well Well Well this has aged like wine XD

This aged like fine wine! :D

It's HOW THIS CAME TO PASS, MY GOOD MAN YOUR INTUITION

I'm a relatively new fan that was brought in by sim racing. I started watching drive to survive and after the first season I just assumed that Steiner would be gone in season 2 because he seemed like a funny clown out of his depth. As i progressed through the show he was still there and I was completely dumbfounded.

@LawVS

6 ай бұрын

I think the gimmicks have run their course with him.

I think it'll take something big for Guenther to go. I got a gift of his autobiography not too long ago and from how he (or his ghostwriter) describes it, the Haas F1 team started out as (and still seems to be) his pet project, i dont know how willing he'd be to step away.

@LawVS

6 ай бұрын

I understand what you mean. He was the doer in the initial blueprint and his first 3 seasons with Haas were really credible. He got that team going...but he can't seem to step up a gear.

This aged like fine wine

I got recommended this a few hours before the news broke, this video aged well.

If you don't want to outright get rid of him, moving Steiner into a senior advisor role and progressively take steps back, similar to what Patrick Head did at Williams, could be an idea

@LawVS

5 ай бұрын

That seems like a fair decision. Still utilise his star power.

I just feel like they have had a couple of bad years since Covid I believe they can be a solid midfield team with the right direction and drivers

@LawVS

6 ай бұрын

Of course. It has potential, the team, but their goals are completely ambiguous.

@gotguava6115

6 ай бұрын

@@LawVS the legend has responded 🙌

@LawVS called it 2 weeks ago, folks! That's one more for the Ladderman!!

And here we have Andretti Global trying to get a place on the grid for 2025. A team with high resources, a racing pedigree through multiple racing series, support from a major car manufacturer and experienced team members. While Haas have benefited from the sponsorship money, borrowing engines and a chassis that they don't make themselves, and no progression throughout the season.

@LawVS

5 ай бұрын

Yet the other team will close ranks around to protect the status quo.

I could care less about Steiner, but Gene is the much bigger problem. He’s gotten what he wants from the team: a great networking and deal making tool for new customers and has lucked into the team now being extremely valuable. I think Steiner is being a poor leader, but there’s only so much you can do with no budget. They claim to be able to operate near the cost cap with the new MoneyGram sponsorship, but there’s no evidence they’re spending that new money.

@LawVS

6 ай бұрын

I reckon that it's more like they HAVE the money...but they don't know what to do with it.

Well, that aged like fine wine. 👀

Guenther is already positioning himself with media projects, plus his own company in the States is taking more of his time, I suspect he’s ahead of this video and is wise enough to see the writing on the wall, Netflix will miss him greatly

@LawVS

6 ай бұрын

Which is correct. He is aware his time is limited so maybe strike out while he's still relevant.

I wonder if Gene is a subscriber 😛

@LawVS

5 ай бұрын

He hasn't called me...yet.

Honestly he’s the only reason Haas even gets a mention!

@LawVS

6 ай бұрын

You're kinda right there.

An old saying at least heard over here in the Midwest USA is, “it’s time to piss or get off the pot.” Your conclusion made me think of that, and I agree that feeling is true for both their F1 and NASCAR outfit. Either sell while the going was good, or actually change with the times because professional Motorsport is innovative.

@LawVS

6 ай бұрын

I will take that phrase.

You saw it here first, folks.

I tend to agree, steiner was great for marketing but in the end him and Gene just doesn't have the ambition and lust to really win. Also love how you engage with your viewers in the comments.

@LawVS

6 ай бұрын

I reckon they do have hopes to win...they just don't know how to do it.

14:57 Kevin got a little too excited Why not get Lockheed and Martin to sponsor the team

Such a great video to listen to while feeding my newborn. I think you're onto something and as much as it would suck to lose Guenther, I feel HAAS are just sitting in the breeze and really lacking technical direction. I still feel that Guenther can bring some commercial value, but perhaps Mattia could come in and help from a technical point of view?

@LawVS

6 ай бұрын

Congratulations, by the way! And yes, Haas need to evolve and become more of their own entity instead of customers to Dallara and Ferrari beholden to their whims.

Well, this video aged well...

Haas is a American team that chooses when it wants to be a American team for the most part it’s basically Italian.

@LawVS

6 ай бұрын

So when it suits them?

I don't get it. If they are always at the back, even with experienced drivers, they should at least be a good starter team for rookies.

@LawVS

6 ай бұрын

Yet they did that and it failed hard in 2021.

Recently, I've kind of assumed that Gene Haas actually has 0 intention of ever performing well. He wants to hold onto a team and 'just scrape by' so that in a few years he can sell the team at a profit. the HAAS f1 team is an investment, not a real, actual, competitive team. They've done their math and realized that it's more profitable for Gene to just scrape by and sell access to one of the exclusive 10 spots, than it is to actually build a real team (which is pretty hard).

@LawVS

6 ай бұрын

They've already made a profit for Gene and their saturation point with the brand has been met...the question is WHEN rather than IF.

Would love to see a video about if f1 had a world cup and the driver lineups for each country

@LawVS

6 ай бұрын

Interesting, but I'm not a fan of football/soccer so I'd be not qualified for such a thing.

@ah15974

5 ай бұрын

@@LawVSwhat about something olympics style?

I've been saying the same things. Sell up or punt Gunther. There is a former principal of AT floating around who understands incremental upgrades so he's the man to move that forward, even if it is as a technical director role.

@LawVS

6 ай бұрын

There needs to be some kind of change going on to give Haas the impetus to evolve.

I think the nature of how Haas set up its racing foundation by outsourcing as much as they could to Ferrari and Dallara respectively caught up with them a few years ago, meaning they don't have either the resources, understanding or ability to fix problems with their car (2019 was plagued by the balance of the car shifting wildly from session to session for an example, or how the 23 car chewed through tyres so it qualified well but floundered on races) That combined with far too many high-profile blunders as mentioned pretty much meant Haas have been left behind by the rest of the paddock, with only Williams' recent woes to thank for keeping them off the back row. I'm sure they tried to emulate Jordan's privateer successes at first but are looking more like if Ferrari ran one of those old shoestring Italian backmarker teams from the 80's and 90's like Scuderia Italia or Forti for the purpose of revenue from customer parts sales. Without major changes to either central philosophy, infrastructure or both, I can't see Haas doing more than just being happy to be there until Gene sells up (Apologies for the wall of text, I try to avoid these for risk of looking like an angry rant)

@LawVS

6 ай бұрын

No worries! This is a fair point. It worked initially but they needed to then evolve from the 2018 car and then find an upgrade path that worked. Clearly they didn't.

Literally finally watching this video and a friend messages that he's been fired! This just made my day. Great video though and loving your content!

Great video keep it up you're doing amazing things 😁👍

You spoke it into existence because he just left the team 😮

I was literally talking with my Haas fan friend. Literally said yesterday. “I think Guenther needs to go” He immediately spun on me seeing as Steiner is a household name, but I completely stand by it. What I dont like is that they oppose the Andretti bid, and there’s constant talk that FoM doesnt want more teams at the back. When HAAS has been a backmarker since 2019 really

@LawVS

6 ай бұрын

2022 was such a relief...but they failed to capitalise on this new era. They had such a developed car...

Thank god you said this. 2023 was the first season i entirely watched, and i started out as a Haas fan, but as time went on i have just lost all interests for the team, and now see myself as a Ferrari, McLaren, and Williams' fan. I would love to see Haas sell to Andretti and have a proper American Owned team. I wouldn't be suppressed if they do end up selling in the next few years when their value begins to decrees. You also have to think that Haas Nascar team hasnt been that good over the past few years. And are under threat of losing their spoty on the grid. Gene may see the decay of his Nascar team and deride to pull the plug on all of his motorsport teams

Even hearing the radios after Dhabi it didnt even seem like their drivers were even looking forward to next season honestly

@LawVS

6 ай бұрын

Nico is probably quite annoyed with being stuck there for another year. He would probably want to be at Sauber.

Congratulations!! This aged well! Also. Why are you in your Attic?? Signed Yanky Fan! 😂🎉

@LawVS

5 ай бұрын

It's to contain my lofty thoughts.

I agree Gunther should probably go but I doubt haas are willing to spend the money on a decent team principal gene doesn’t care enough probably also causes a lack of motivation for haas/Gunther to do well

@LawVS

6 ай бұрын

I hope this isn't a case of them waiting out the clock and cashing out at F1's peak value.

@Literally_Mid

6 ай бұрын

@@LawVS yh i hope so too but it seems most likely

This may be flawed logic, but these billion-dollar valuations of F1 teams are like 90% the signature on the concorde agreement and 10% actual value of the team. So if Andretti gets denied as an 11th team, I suppose they could attempt to pay F1 $200m or whatever to be granted Haas's entry...leaving Haas usurped but still 10 teams on the grid as the other teams perfer

@LawVS

6 ай бұрын

Maybe but Haas will insist on that $800m cheque regardless.

You are the new team principal in HAAS F1 Manager after all 😂

door smash meme happend because Steiner was mad at Grosjean and Magnussen for driving into each other too often, not because the car was bad

@LawVS

6 ай бұрын

My mistake but it did spawn a meme, that car to some extent.

it's sad how much potential this team has, with how much money they save on operations with their business model they could easily have the biggest development budget out of the grid, but oh well

@LawVS

5 ай бұрын

It's all well and good having the cash (finally) but it's another thing entirely knowing how to spend it.

Also it might be something to do with the fact that Haas doesn't have much money, as they said with ricciardo, couldn't afford the 10mil so I doubt they can afford enough for a legendary or decent team

@LawVS

6 ай бұрын

I think their money situation is better than before with a more reliable sponsor. It's more like they weren't prepared to spend that money on Daniel.

@gerardcrabb4556

5 ай бұрын

Ricciardo and Stiener in 2023 together would have been worth it turns out he cost them 10 million in the end...

Yes, lately it looks like they're more interested in collecting their share of the cut than actually compete with others. If only Andretti could replace HAAS bcz they seem more promising to give us a better competition.

@LawVS

6 ай бұрын

True. F1 has become a huge investment and soon Gene may choose to cash in.

@illdeletethismusic

5 ай бұрын

with prize money only going to ten teams i"m not surprised Haas are most opposed to an eleventh

38 since uploaded, let's goooo. I hope haas can bounce back

@LawVS

6 ай бұрын

I hope they can as otherwise they've lost Nico.

@ryanpage5690

6 ай бұрын

@@LawVS that is true. Imagine if haas AND Nico got there first podium together. I'd lose it haha.

I do think Ferrari is partially involved with the answer to the tyre issue. I doubt it's a coincidence that the two teams who struggle the most with their tyres also use many of the same parts including suspension. If Ferrari manages to improve that it will likely also benefit Haas. But of course that's not the only factor involved. Haas needs to put in some work as well.

@LawVS

6 ай бұрын

Of course they do need to put in more effort.

Bro literally predicted the future

Yesterday, I watched Perspective's video on Haas and thought 'When are we going to talk about Guenther Steiner being a bad TP?' Lo and behold, Law uploads that video.

@LawVS

6 ай бұрын

He was a good one to start with but he hasn't proved to be a long term pick.

This aged like a fine wine

The fact that some strategies rely on late saftey cars just shouldnt be relevant with modern reliability. It seems like a cop out for - we couldnt think of anything else

@LawVS

6 ай бұрын

Exactly. We saw a couple of races where all cars finished the races. That's a big deal.

I don't even know why I like this channel and your presentation, but I do, and thank you! It's a whole package thing. Haas should sell the team to Andretti. They have the money. They're a US team focused on racing, and they'll be competitive.

@LawVS

6 ай бұрын

I doubt they will sell though. There is too much history of selling between the parties.

@tadroid3858

6 ай бұрын

@@LawVS Agree 100% just wishful thinking

13 days after you posted this video, Steiner is out of his role as team principal. The prophecy is fulfilled.

Yeah Steiner's expiration date has long since past. It really is amazing that with the record HAAS has that he is still with the team or has not gotten a few others to assist with developing the team and moving it forward. They have have thoroughly proven the drivers and bottom level workers are not the problem. Its time to shuffle management at this point.

@LawVS

6 ай бұрын

It's his presence in social media that has kept him around as well as his initial contributions.

Wonder if they watched this first 😂

Well There you go. You got your wish.

Well this aged well. Steiner is gone.

Last I checked Moneygram is owned by Walmart. Pretty damn stable

@LawVS

5 ай бұрын

At least they HAVE cash.

@FlowStateEnergy

5 ай бұрын

@@LawVS oh they absolutely do. I live 20 min from Walmart World HQ. The amount of money is incredible. Doesn’t Walmart sponsor Red Bull? I know they are in on another team.

I don't necessarily disagree with the sentiment, but I just can't see it happening. Haas is Gunther's team as much as it is Gene's, and as little as he seems to care or know about winning, they're still operating two cars. It'd be very hard to argue that they're "putting the sport in disrepute" like many other backmarkers before them. I think even FOM feels a level of obligation to Haas because of the circumstances they entered the sport in. I don't think gunther will ever admit to being unfit as a TP, so the best I think we can hope for is for him to hire some competent people to help with the parts of his job he's bad at, but even doing that would require a level of humility I'm not sure he's capable of.

@LawVS

6 ай бұрын

That's fair enough. I just needed to get this off my chest.

I understand where u r coming from. But we already lost Gooatifi, do we really have to lose Gunther as well?

@LawVS

6 ай бұрын

If we want to see Haas progress meaningfully

@21mrcy

6 ай бұрын

​@@LawVS well shoudnt they hire a new aerodynamics team? didnt Gunther say, the team coudnt find any time in the wind tunnel. I am not sure if u change Gunther anything will change in that team. Also a engine swap woudnt be bad idea, I mean not even ferrari understand their engine how should hass

I don’t think the problem is Gene because he has shown that he can operate a successful Motorsports team as seen by Stewart Haas Racing

@LawVS

6 ай бұрын

There are multiple factors at play here, but the entire widget doesn't seem to be working as intended.

Honestly i think haas needs to be put on sporting equivalent of probation for their lack luster performance and doldrus nature and discourage lack of investment and performance from other teams and use this case as an “example”.

@LawVS

6 ай бұрын

I think that's harsh since they're not exactly bringing the sport into disrepute...they're just lost.

I do think Haas F1 team needs a complete restructure. They do need a new TP but I think they need someone above that too. Gene just doesn’t seem interested. I thought that rumoured Alfa Romeo sponsorship made sense with them leaning more on the Italian side of the team but thats not happening. They just seem to be going nowhere. Gunther seems like a decent guy to have around. Not least for the Social Media stuff but he’s showing he’s ineffective as a TP

@LawVS

6 ай бұрын

His social media antics have saved his career for longer than natural

Oh my god he called it

I have been saying for years that Günther is not good for the team, I am really glad this is becoming a more mainstream opinion.

@LawVS

6 ай бұрын

He was good for their initial setup...but for their future, I can't see them evolving.

Well guess what just happened

The fact that he's one of the longest standing TP is a joke

@LawVS

6 ай бұрын

Oh yeah...that's true.

Fun to know that haas operated at the top of the cost cap this year because all the time haas underperformed Gunther blamed lack of development money bc of Mick. Mick did not set the world alight but he was toe to toe with Magnussen and having a young driver to bring forward with the team would be promising for the team. Now it just shows Haas are really settling for the worst outcome just as long as they get money in.

@LawVS

5 ай бұрын

That and it was clear that Kevin had the better car.

Well well well 👀

has anyone actually read his book as it shows a lot of the complaints

@LawVS

6 ай бұрын

I've got it on my list as I've got to get through Adrian Newey's book first.

@Rorzilla_racing

6 ай бұрын

@@LawVS well it explains 2021 and that gene actually cares

As much as I liked DTS and Steiner was fun and entertaining there, just imagine having him as your boss... It is not a good picture, he is not on par with likes of Toto, Horner or Vowles

@LawVS

5 ай бұрын

He isn't incompetent, he knows how to bring teams together...but he doesn't have vision for after the fact.

@Nekudza

5 ай бұрын

@@LawVS He knows how F1 and F1 team works, that's true. But not sure that he knows how to properly manage and motivate people around. I mean, Drive to Survive is fun but not a good ad for people potentially going to work for Haas F1 team. I don't want my manager to shout at me, search for scapegoats and swear at me constantly.

@Nekudza

5 ай бұрын

Maybe he is a good manager and what we saw in the show is just a media image but that's the impression I have

I feel like the dream is still alive, but only to Gean. The rest of haas feels like they've given up/waiting for their time to jump ship. I feel like its some sort of pride thing not selling to Andretti/Cadillac. It would be kinna a kick to the teeth stumbling so badly the last few years, the selling to the guy thats been nipping at your heals for years. Then if they come in with fresh money and ideas and a full works program. And all they have to do to be better than haas is not get last...

@LawVS

6 ай бұрын

Definitely a pride thing. Andretti has courted them for too long.