The hypothesis that who ever shot him pulled out and recovered the arrow shaft but didn't take the valuable axe and other arrows is pure nonsense. More likely he survived initially to flee and hide and at some point pulled out the shaft himself which led to greater blood loss and he died alone with his treasured belongings.

This is so interesting how cool is it that we get to meet a 5,300 year old mummy and get to look at what life was like for him all those years ago totally awesome🥰

^turns up volume expecting usual Penn lecture audio problems^ INTRODUCTION MASSIVE DISTORTION ^ears pour blood^ I beg you, Penn, just find one audio engineer ... just one.

@kahlesjf

3 жыл бұрын

They need a proofreader too. February 1, "2102"?

The real mystery is who was the dyslexic person who put 2102 on that first slide.

@jussssig

27 күн бұрын

not much of a mystery.. it was most likely the creator of the presentation?

It is truly amazing how well his body is preserved as well as clothing, food and accessories.

23:40 Misread "viburnum" arrow shafts at first as "vibranium" arrows, but I suppose if he had vibranium arrows he might not have ended up like he did?

We went to the museum in Balzano, it is really worth the trip. If you like mountaineering, it has fabulous natural sites as well.

The best Otzi doc I`ve seen, thank you for sharing.

@goblinkillahd8396

4 жыл бұрын

Presentation

Daibusshi.... there are plenty of us who are not at your level of knowledge and appreciate these videos very much. I found them utterly fascinating and now want to learn more.

Excellent talk. Thank you for the upload.

My 2 cents says that there was a fight between Otzi's group and the Austrian clan (apparently they were near a clan territorial border.) Otzi's group won and ran off or killed the others but our guy was wounded in the process (arrow and skull fracture.) For some reason they chose to leave Otzi, maybe his wounds and those of his compatriots wouldn't permit his being moved? So they hid him and were going to come back but a blizzard hits, as they do year round there. This might account for the no pillaging of his way cool stuff that anyone would want, then and now! My question-has there been a wider survey of the general area to try to find evidence of this battle?

I really enjoyed this lecture, thanks for posting!

Great exposition on the iceman.

He was on a raiding party with several men which explains the meal, the arrow being pulled out and not taking the ax... the skirmish wasn't over and when it was there was no one to retrieve the body...

@janezjonsa3165

4 жыл бұрын

There might be remains of ther Otzi's scattered around. Since our Alps are running real short of snow and glaciers, there is a chance of something popping up in near future.

@makesmefeellikeatalltree8250

3 жыл бұрын

@@janezjonsa3165 I wondered if they could use some kind of ground penetrating radar to check the surrounding areas with for other artifacts.

@PirateCommander

2 жыл бұрын

@@janezjonsa3165 Totally. More likely than not I reckon.

Very nice lecture, a pity that some of the questions aren't understandable due to missing microphones.

Why the year is written not written as 2012 and written as 2102? Or have I read it wrong

@rallytonight8491

5 ай бұрын

It’s a typo

Great stuff, thank you!

Lovely voice sound. Made me fall asleep

I wish he would get closer to the mic. I can't quite hear him

Those markings will most likely have the following possible meanings. 433 is the number. It might be interpreted as 334. I am going to brainstorm as to all the possibilities: He may have been owned by some other more powerful individual, and he may have been given the number 334, or 433. It may have something to do with a rank in the social order. It may have something to do with him having tracked and killed certain game. Such a social status would allow him to hunt with others having the same skill level. Each of the deer you killed could be the first number (4) the second number may be the humans you killed in defending your tribe (3), and the last number may indicate something like the number of children you have. It may have more to do with what you can prove to others, like how we use background checks, moreso than anything he needs to remember.

I just don't understand why this people really want to say that ötzi had some status or wealth, that is just an idea from this "modern world". They don't even have a back up to sustain such atrocious statement besides the copper axe, but they don't even know what was human interaction back then so..?

@Chief2Moon

3 жыл бұрын

Gizelle Schaffner I think the idea is that would have been so early in the copper age that they figure anyone with a copper ax must have been of high status, influence or wealthy...simply because of the extreme rarity of such an object directly associated with datable organic materials.

@wearevroth

3 жыл бұрын

"status and wealth" are far from just being ideas from the modern world. There were positions of wealth and power as far back as human existence is known, and every society on earth has had persons of status.

February 1, 2102. Is this a time traveler video?

Don't rely on close captions* ". . . died about 30 to 50 BC" is not the same as about 3250 BC

I've always wondered who as responsible for what I like to call 'WTF Otzi', like you'd just shown him a phone or a lightbulb or something.

@k.s.3748

4 жыл бұрын

Like he just got shot in the shoulder!

How do people know he was not a solider and part of a battalion or clan during an ancient fight? This may have been a retreat or a victory as they left an area of battle (Otzi didn‘t make it.) Perhaps this is why his arrows were almost all spent with no tips on them. Save a couple arrows while on the move for food or emergency situations.

I first noticed the date february 1st - 2102.

Love how speakers seem to try to sale themselves as above and funny for the auidance.

Maybe Otzi wasn't alone in hid travel. Maybe the person that shot him done so at a distance and ran from the scene or his group proceeded following the others with Otzi on over the mountain both groups leaving Otzi in the heat of battle.

@flipflopski2951

5 жыл бұрын

I'm glad someone else thinks so... to me it's obvious he was with a raiding party or something...

This is very interesting.

AN EXCELLENT PUZZLE. AND ONE PART OF THE BBC ACADEMIC OUPUT WHICH WOULD KINDDA ENDEAR ONE TO THE ORGANISATION REFER TO BBC DOCUMENTARIES REGARDS THIS SUBJECT...

The 'unfinished arrow' without the arrowhead that was found propped up near Otzi must have been the arrow that was used to shoot him. Think about it... Missing arrowhead is embedded in Otzi and the 'unfinished arrow' was the one used to kill him. Why else would he carry an unfinished arrow around with him? Above theory seems the most logical answer to me

@rumplestilskin007

5 жыл бұрын

@Martin Hodge That's exactly what I'm saying. The lecturer clearly stated there wan unfinished arrow minus the arrowhead found near Otzi. I think it was the arrow that was embedded in Otzi. I was surprised the academics didn't reach the conclusion that it was the arrow used to kill Otzi

@Scottishblacksmith61

5 жыл бұрын

Many times people carried unfinished arrows with them to complete themselves during the evening hours, after a meal, before retiring for the night. There have been many accounts of Native Americans that did this. Finishing these for himself saved him on the "cost" of purchase/trading for completed arrows. When hunting or battle arrows were lost, broken, ect. and replacements are needed to sustain life.

@rumplestilskin007

5 жыл бұрын

@@Scottishblacksmith61 Thanks for your input, wasn't aware this was a practice. I believed perhaps Otzi, shortly before dying, pulled the arrow out of his body, which was then found near him. As the other chap stated though that arrows are very individual so the researchers must have known it was from Otzi's quiver

@Scottishblacksmith61

5 жыл бұрын

@@rumplestilskin007 I don't know about you but, I am not flexible enough to pull an arrow out of my upper back. The arrow was going into his back in the scapula ( shoulder blade ). I personally would need to either have longer arms or use a scrapping motion against a large rock or outcropping. That would cause a great deal of pain.

@oldgysgt

5 жыл бұрын

CNN has reported that Otzi's killers were wearing red caps and as they left the area they were heard to say, "This MAGA country".

The date on first slide made me wonder for a sec, when am I

Otzi's direct descendant, bundled as for an alpine journey, makes an appearance at 1:38

@toadelevator

5 жыл бұрын

And this lecture is amazingly from our distant future, as the first projected image on the screen says "Thomas F. Tartaron , February 1, 2102".

@elizdonovan5650

3 жыл бұрын

@@toadelevator 🤣😂🤣

Audio will return .....but will RuneScape????

I wonder if his death was a mercy killing

why wouldn't he eat if he was on the run???

It is getting ,to old ,thinking about .What we know now.They were more advantse. Lee1❤

I think it fitting that he was found murdered. It is very prophetic of modern man. We're still not learning about ourselves enough and carry on with violence. But then again...we wouldn't have this great example if it weren't an exception to the norm....

He suffered Lyme disease? Was not an affliction till plumb island and named after Lyme Ct. man made.

Although he was recovered in a crude manner, there wasn’t that much damage done. Not really.

@spatrk6634

3 жыл бұрын

ye he was shot in back with arrow, pretty small wound that killed him and he had blunt trauma on his head of either falling and hiting his head after arrow or he was hit by attacker most damage was done on him using pneumatic drills to excavate him from frost

Who ever killed him didn't find his body or they would have taken all his stuff.

@onefull1

3 жыл бұрын

That ax, among other items, would have definitely been of great value I believe.

He was 'lying' not 'laying' in the snow.

i would also like to know more about hes teeths

@jotcw81

3 жыл бұрын

They damaged from eating stone-ground wheat.

Balanced and informative talk but poor editing of some of the slides.

Lol notice the date at the bottom of the first slide 2102

@ioodyssey3740

3 жыл бұрын

yeah. just as accurate as carbon dating!

I've never wanted to see anything so much as I want to see that "iceman" in real life. But they're more likely to find Noah's Ark intact than I will ever get to see him.

@TwoFingeredMamma

Жыл бұрын

Noahs ark has been found, it is sitting on Mt. Arrarat in Turkey like the Bible says. There are plenty of documentaires about it on KZread.

the woven grass cloak was probably a "Gilly Suit" snipers use to get close to their prey. My guess was he was hunting mountain sheep, getting meat for winter and a rival clan was protecting their hunting area.

And his first slide has that date as: 2102! No proofreading needed, right, Penn Museum?!

@pshaw8406

4 жыл бұрын

Literally the first thing I noticed.

he was buried there or sacrificed, no other theories fit the evidence... if he was killed his equipment (especially axe) would have been taken (some say killer wouldn't want to be seen with his axe, like he coudn't trade it outside of village of something), there is simply no way someone would leave something valuable like that there except as offerings to gods (sacrifice) or as part of burial rituals!

@Gronicle1

5 жыл бұрын

Well, you are looking at it like a guy in the here and now. Back then he could have been done in by a pure Stone Age hunter who didn't like the farmers moving in and crowding people, so maybe the killer didn't know and appreciate the copper axe. Or the killer could be superstitious about the "spirits" in items taken from someone he killed taking revenge, so he left them there. Or the killer may have already been injured/wounded/loaded down with other valuable gear, etc. and just couldn't carry off anymore stuff...especially if a storm was moving in and he was caught at 11,000 feet and needed to get down. Getting caught up high by a spring time storm without any real shelter is chancy business even now.

Copper at 3250 bce indicate metallurgy industry pushing back dates at indus valley civilisation.

sit down grand paw

The misspellings in the presentation are terribly distracting.

February 1, 2102

Shouldn't the remains be buried or cremated and the ashes buried now that all the science is done?

@cillyhoney1892

3 жыл бұрын

The science isn't all done.

@spatrk6634

3 жыл бұрын

he probably never will be buried or cremated. his body is on display in italy musuem kept on ice so it doesnt change from the state it was found in.

@HarleyMcAdams

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely ridiculous comment!

I'm certain that was will ferrell in the hot tub with his lover.....that did the introduction.

An American mistakes Austria for Australia - Check'd

Bolzano, Italy not Balzano

Perhaps his tattoos were indicative of his age? 57 tattoos vs estimated age of 45. Numbers are in the same range

@Gronicle1

5 жыл бұрын

Notice the tattoos are around his joint areas mostly....could be they were just Ju-ju for his arthritis and joint injuries to relieve pain.

@BalkanCrusader

5 жыл бұрын

@@Gronicle1 i also believe that it was some kind of acupuncture..

February 1, 2102?

Man was, is, and it will be. Punto e basta.

Just speculation on how he died...nobody killed him, it was self inflicted..he had a epilepsy attack on a ledge, fell down, hit the head and got stabbed with his own arrow, 5131 years ago! His name was Urk, [Swiss]... lived on pile-dwellings of the tribal community of the Suren, located in the banks of Lake Zurich, was exactly 37 years and 8 months old, and to be exact, 17 days.

@robgratis7104

6 жыл бұрын

otzi had a arrow point in his back

Down in front.

Ötzi wasn't a mountain climber, he was a skydiver.

What was his blood group.

@cpat7409

3 жыл бұрын

Type o bloodtype.

I have read the original account of the Iceman find, which was by a couple of German tourists, so that fits. But the first archeologist on site was Austrian. He was booted for the reason that the Italians claimed the Iceman was found on their land (not true) and then everybody and his uncle muscled in on the investigation (including Americans, of course). I'd like to know what happened to that first archeologist (I can't remember his name and the account was destroyed in a house fire).

a battle huh? soo their should be more bodies..

Feb 1, 2102 . The future

Ozti

@jotcw81

3 жыл бұрын

*Ötzi

I believe the Arrow in him was one of his... In a spill fall his Arrows/Arrow fell out of the quiver landed below and in his fall in turn he landed on one... at the time the area was a small pond the gear drifted to the ponds edge near where it was found... If I would not have seen this almost exact scene almost happen as a teen hunting with a friend...He slipped fell into a awaiting field of Arrows most pointing up since they fell out of the quiver nock first My buddy was lucky was to my right he turned as he fell and landed on his side and back with his left arm across his neck Sound familiar ... I would not mention this theory I am not a scientist(I was a SME For A SERE school for 10 years) being a lifetime woodsman I will throw it out here For what its worth... Has the birch resin on the point In the body been matched with any remnants of arrows in his quiver? It seems the resin survived out side the body in the Quiver would not it last incased in the Body as well as the inner bark or sinews used to bind I plan to climb Mount Whitney as a 50 birthday treat in Otzi styled Kit that I am replicating it will be the third time and a tribute to this Man and a Time and People the shot was way too long if it was closer it would of went clean through if the draws are as much as they say... he fell on a arrow Not very romantic but its what I think happened... Mountaineers evolved not to carry arrows for a reason ...

@FlyJohnny100

10 жыл бұрын

I thought of that, too. In mountainous terrain, it's a possibility. But this guy was 45 with evidence of being very experienced at exactly what he was doing. It's good policy to NOT carry big pointy things when traversing difficult geography, but is sometimes an acceptable risk when it's the only food in winter. I don't work in an ER, but the position of the arrow entry and defensive hand wounds cast doubt on the tumble/arrow wound theory....for me, anyway. Of course, this IS the Alps and if he was pursuing game or being pursued, and took a long fall, then maybe.

@OperationalExtras

10 жыл бұрын

Parker Arts appreciate your response but I have traveled Mountainous terrain in primitive gear and the latest Mountaineering kit both have pointy things also a cut in the hand is not always the result of an assault ...he had a tool kit of the times many pieces multi use Im sure their was a purpose of his travel.again thanks I have mentioned this theory many times and it seems to be well received by folks like myself that frequent the Wilderness and truly dig into the equipment and techniques used to do that safely both Primitive and Modern equipment but Im not in the science business so I hope the ones that are have a look at this. Im am relived Otzi was not grabbed up and claimed and burt as in another example we could have learn a lot about these times... I also hope that the next discovery is a Salutrean with a Ero background and canot be rushed away and destroyed. anyway thanks for the response did not expect any to be honest. I will stick with it as it makes more sense the way I explained

My dna test came out with him as my ancestors. How is that with me being female?

@sageandcandle

5 жыл бұрын

I am an orphan. My dna and past are a complete mystery. This makes the very first ancestor I have found.

@sageandcandle

5 жыл бұрын

I can't upload the picture I have on my phone, screenshot. I am on Family Tree DNA. It is there in black and white. Believe me or not. I don't give a sh** what you think.

@williammartin2842

5 жыл бұрын

You are related to Otzi through the women that are your ancestors. Maternal lineage is passed only by women through Mitochondrial DNA. Otzi's mother was also of K1 Haplogroup. I am also related to Otzi through my mother's lineage from Italy. Since I am male my children do not share K1 haplogroup unless their mother is of that Haplogroup. My sisters children (both boys and girls) are also related to Otzi but only their daughters can pass on this K1 Haplogroup lineage.

@DrezdanyWildlife

4 жыл бұрын

Mine too!! He’s one of my ancestors!!

I'm disappointed by the video -- I didn't learn anything I didn't already know after watching five full length specials right here in KZread. I would have loved a little insight and new revelation about this amazing archaeological find, but, based on the lecture and rather unimpressive Q&A, I literally could have delivered this talk myself.

I was surprised he said nothing about Otzi's missing genitals.

unbearable audio, am I the only one?

2102 ? Lol

OUR OTZI BEING A CONNECTION TO EASTER ISLAND?

Submit his dna to 23 and me

My goodness what kind of tin can microphone

Quite a lot of debunked notions here.

His body is a "Confederate monument."

The book of Enoch says the fallen Nephilium angels taught the mixing of antimony with brass to make bronze for weapons, this happened before the flood. This would move the bronze age back to 3500 - 4000 BC

@flavourlessjosephus2910

5 жыл бұрын

Why didn't they teach them iron smelting? Is it related to the fact that yhwh cannot defeat chariots of iron? Can we leave the theology away from history and science, please? It generally doesn't bear the weight of critical scrutiny or tangible evidence.

the DNA link to Turkey might be Mt Ararat, a Noah descendant. Japeth, a son of Noah went to Europe, this ice man may me a great grandson of Japeth

@juliang7807

7 жыл бұрын

From the point of view of what I believe, I do not agree with you -- but it takes a courageous person to write that, so I am very proud of you. Because if that were what I believed, I would have been too afraid to speak of it. If I were asked for my opinion , I would say that Deus Faber literally invented evolution, and that disagreement between scientists and people of faith itself results from the stratagems and devices of Satan, wherein Satan does not wish us to see that one can follow both paths at the same time, such problems can be reconciled. For example, that those first inscribing the Bible wrote down what God revealed to them WITHIN THEIR LIMITED ABILITY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT GOD EXPLAINED TO THEM, that they did not fully understand nor wish to admit how difficult all the revealed instructions were, whereby over time there occured more an more misunderstandings of what was written, sacreligious censorship and revision of sacred texts, etc.

@Macque77

6 жыл бұрын

Or, with the application of Occam's Razor, we can assume the far more likely scenario that he was the great grandson of a person who existed.

This is better than that, this is one of Noah's peers if it is 3000 b.c.The flood was what ?2345 b.c.???