"Who would believe the bumbling idiot is the ultimate enemy?" >insert Darth Jar Jar meme.

@an8strengthkobold360

4 жыл бұрын

He will always be a sith lord in my eyes.

@diddleriddle8921

3 жыл бұрын

Truth is...game was rigged from the start

@lunargamer5261

3 жыл бұрын

I believe this is the plot of Scary Movie, too.

@sgtflamingo6532

Жыл бұрын

Kefka in ff6

Here's an insane idea. Sorry it turned into a bit of an essay! You run two separate campaigns with different players, but unbeknownst to them they are on different sides of the same conflict. News of one group's movements reaches the other group and vice versa, but they believe they are hearing about the exploits of NPCs to move on the story. Your friendly character (who will turn out to be the villain of course!) is common to both games and becomes trusted by both groups of players under a different alias. Perhaps they tell one group they are a journalist covering recent events and can be used to give information, and they tell the other group they are an undercover agent infiltrating an arms trading organisation, so they can shower them with powerful equipment. Once trust is gained in both groups, you engineer a scenario where you take one player from each group and swap them around to go "undercover", probably at the behest of a different NPC; maybe an embittered henchman who has turned against his master and wants to see his deception thwarted. You tell the other guys in the group that "John can't make it next Sunday, but I was explaining the story to my other friend Mark who's up for stepping in as a new character". In the farewell game to John (with John's prior knowledge), to 'kill the character off' conscientiously, you spin a narrative where John's character is called off on secret ops behind enemy lines and is not heard from again. This is agreed between yourself and John before the game, when you explain that there is a second parallel game which has been playing the enemy all along and swear him to secrecy for his farewell session. Unbeknownst to the other players, John really is going behind enemy lines to glean information from and unsuspecting player group! And so is the new player, Mark, under the same pretense as John. You do this in both games and thereby swap one member from each team to spy on the other, with nobody else any the wiser, except maybe for the new player who might learn of his opposite number's mysterious disappearance from the game and suspect a double agent. Then you plan a session to which you invite both groups, let them discover for between themselves that the villain has been playing them against each other all along. After a successful mission, you could say to one group at the end of the previous session: "[friendly villain alias 1] packs the seized contraband into a container to send to the police force as evidence. A job well done!" whilst in the other group, [friendly villain alias 2] arrives with fresh equipment to fight the good fight. Both groups realise simultaneously that they have been played, that the very same character has been going by 2 different names and is in fact the criminal they have been looking for. Their causes are united for the first time, and from act 2 onwards their characters will all be part of the same game. Meanwhile the nemesis escapes with his tail between his legs. The players later find the disgruntled henchman (who set up the chance encounter) tortured brutally to death and vow to catch and destroy the three-faced super villain!

@HowtobeaGreatGM

8 жыл бұрын

That's a hell of a set-up. I've done something similar once. Two groups - same world. However in my town everyone know's who sits at my table so there is no surprise changes etc. The two groups were neither enemies nor allies but when one of them went back in time and changed the view of a god (they basically met Zeus as a boy and installed human centric values by mistake whilst babysitting him) the other group found themselves in a very very different world (since they were in the present and suffered the wrath of a 'new Zeus'). It was amazing fun to watch as everyone tried to solve the issue from both past and present. I have also had a convention module run where a character from the game randomly swaps with another character from another table! That was amazing - especially become con-games are often very... isolated events. But thank you for sharing your cool idea and if you ever pull it of let me know!

@dankatz5224

8 жыл бұрын

+How to be a Great Game Master That Zeus game sounds brilliant! Reminds me of the old LucasArts point & click adventure Day of the Tentacle. That would be a zany setting for a game in itself with 3 players sharing the table but in different time zones affecting each other's gameplay! Thanks so much for replying, and for putting out such a succinct and comprehensive series. I've never GM'd myself but I have a group of friends and we all read the Warhammer 40k novels so I thought that would be a good place to start. But your videos always give me a "what if..." to think about, maybe instead of babysitting Zeus, I could put the immortal God Emperor of Mankind in a care home!

@Tmanowns

7 жыл бұрын

It's pretty much going on in a campaign I'm in right now. We've got about 20+ players total, who play on 5 different nights a week with two DMs. One of the groups is an evil group and apparently has been doing things across the world with a plan, and one of them is a paladin that was in my group until real life scheduling was conflicting for him. It's honestly really awesome, but a ton of work for the DM's, so we players help a lot with ideas and world building.

@gnarthdarkanen7464

6 жыл бұрын

That's a great set-up... IF (and a really big "IF" there) you can get the scheduling to work. The last time I was able to pull off something even similar was back when I was in the Navy... Being all assigned to the same ship, it was only rotating watch-sections (civilians call it "shifts") that ever got in the way of scheduling... When it works out, it can be done really well, and the big reveal is usually fantastic... When it doesn't... it can be even more awkward than a "big fizzle". :o)

@ijk9492

6 жыл бұрын

holy shit

_GASP_ "LYSANDEROTH, you were behind all this!" "Yes it was I. My machinations lay undetected for years for I am a master of deception and"

@ethanotoroculus1060

5 жыл бұрын

*[DEAD]*

@monke1599

4 жыл бұрын

*takes off shirt* "Sexy..." Lysanderoth purred

@jowhy7243

3 жыл бұрын

i literally just watched a ProZD compilation before watching this video

@darienschnucker7354

3 жыл бұрын

Why he not say about the Nemesis being the Lover

@guicaldo7164

3 жыл бұрын

King Dragon sends his regards!

You mention the inconsistencies in the nemesis' character a lot, and I really wanna stress that those are vital. If the betrayal comes too suddenly or out of nowhere, it might feel cheap, or like you just took a good guy and made him the villain, you need to be able to point to those flaws and moments of doubt so that the PCs don't feel 100% cheated.

@Boom__6678

4 жыл бұрын

Cortana in halo 5 (what were 343 thinking) is a good example of the cheap betrayal

After coming back to a town they once saved, my PCs found out that the only priestess to Melora in town is a poor young woman who was among the people they saved from the orcs a year ago. The poor, poor girl claims to have lost her left eye and left hand on the hands of the cruel orcs, but is still very happy and grateful to the heroes who saved her life, and they all were quickly heart warmed by this figure. So happy that none of them thought of trying to remember if she really was among the dozens of citizens they rescued. They were desolated when she died on the third game, but were overjoyed when they found out in her temple a prepared spell glyph that only required adding a diamond to the center (which was also on the temple) to restore their dear friend to life. So overjoyed that again, no one thought to ask about why a mere acolyte of Melora has a powerful necromancy spell prepared in her house. Easiest inclusion of a Vecna worshiper in a group I've ever done =p Can't wait for her to kill one of them to usher the return of her King.

@magiv4205

5 жыл бұрын

"missing left eye and left hand" Me: haha NOPE! *warning sirens going off in the distance*

My head! It cannot contain the ideas! MUST. WRITE.

@HowtobeaGreatGM

8 жыл бұрын

+kainan613 Yes! Get it out there!

Wait a minute... Sponsors the players with magic items, keeps close track of the players adventures making sure they tell him everything, sends the players out to help him while they adventure, has a romantic relationship with one of the players... HOLY SHIT GILMORE HAS BEEN A VILLAIN THIS WHOLE TIME!

@krzysztofbandyk168

6 жыл бұрын

A Rakshasa to be exact.

@KyrstOak

5 жыл бұрын

Gilmore? Not Gilmore Girls.

@louthinator

5 жыл бұрын

@@KyrstOak it's a critical role reference

@KyrstOak

5 жыл бұрын

@@louthinator Ah, thanks.

@magiv4205

5 жыл бұрын

*gets almost killed by a dragon and only survives because the players decided to go look for him first thing in the morning after taking a long rest* 'TIS AS I PLANNED! A FOOLPROOF RUSE! *coughs blood and passes out*

What if instead of him revealing himself monologue style as he turns on them he's removed from the situation assuming he has successfully killed the players off. The players survive, but have a mini adventure in their wounded states trying to get back to town. Then they turn up looking for help from the nemesis unaware of his treachery. He's surprised to see them, but plays it off as assuming they died in the incident. If the players realize his part in based off subtle clues you give them they can get the jump on him, but if not he reverts to his previous role and attempts to set up a more surefire betrayal to destroy them all, and this time takes no chances bringing in some incredibly powerful forces to aid him, forces he might not fully control. And then epic final confrontation.

@Jake007123

7 жыл бұрын

I managed to do it three times once, in a D&D campaign. It was priceless, my little inner Maquiavelo was constantly laughing every session. Until a players used divination magic and found him buying the services of a Medusa that the same day attacked the party. Oh, but how I laughed until then...

@KyrstOak

5 жыл бұрын

@@Jake007123 XD

Nemesis goes to “prove himself” and accidentally dies. Guess it’s an open world story now boys.

@omiorahman6283

5 жыл бұрын

Ryku Isaigana lol interesting

@Haurent

4 жыл бұрын

When you enter into an open world story you know the GM is at the ropes lol

Aw man, this brought back some memories. I was in one group where our party was doing everything they could to stop this great and powerful evil that was going to engulf the world. We had a patron wizard who helped us throughout the majority of the campaign. We had been led to believe that in order to save the world, we needed to open the sealed portion to the Abyss and then kill the guardian on the other side. Turns out it was just our Patron Wizard's ploy so he could gain more power for himself; he was the evil we had been warned of, and the signs were there, but no one had caught on. He TPK'd us in a round and that's how that campaign ended. It was brutal, but memorable. The villlain who was once considered a friend is one of the most memorable antagonists there are. Awesome content by the way! I'm definitely subscribing!

@HowtobeaGreatGM

8 жыл бұрын

Welcome to the table man! Sounds like an epic campaign! And such a tragic ending.

@TriMarkC

5 жыл бұрын

Gambent Aaaaand “he TPK’d is all in one round”! Wow! Brutal ending is right! In one round!! Now, if the GM allowed the players to carry on the fight as the progeny of those 1st chars (ala InfinityBlade), that would be epic! They’d know BBG was brutal (the players were there!), and they come thinking they’re prepared! Ha!

so i did the "join me" cliche that villains do and the group i was DM for actually joined him... yeah I had this whole epic final battle planned out involving the players losing their weapons and needing to have a fist fight to the death with this orc overlord... nope they joined him and committed genocide against the elves and wiped them off the face of the entire universe instead. I literally did everything i could possibly think of to try and make them turn back against him. Killing elf children, slaughtering innocent villagers, killing other rebelling orcs, torture, I made him abuse women, mutilate babies, he had sex with corpses of those he killed, raped more than I could count... and they still saw the campaign to the end. That was probably the most brutal evil campaign I had ever been through as a DM. They said it was one of the most amazing dnd experiences ever so whatever as long as they had fun...

@gnarthdarkanen7464

6 жыл бұрын

guy3480, You are not alone... Many is the GM who has tried a "tropish hook" to twist the story for just a moment, or thought of a great joke to give the party pause... ONLY to find himself trudged through the god-awfulest, mind-warping muck imaginable... coming out of it only permanently, emotionally scarred and wondering "What the hell kinds of people do I hang out with???" I know all to well and somehow vaguely remember feeling your pain... some time in the distant past, when I (myself) might've had something like innocence. BUT that's Role Playing for you... And then the players will actually have the unmitigated gall (later) to ask how YOU got so twisted??? :o)

@wildebur

6 жыл бұрын

Yes, cutting of the arms and legs of the PCs and literally having their characters raped in-character sounds like BRILLIANT idea. What is wrong with you!? Legit, not trying to be a dick, but that's the literal WORST Game Mastering idea I've ever heard of, right above "TPK the players because they're not on track with the story.". What's next, is the villain gonna MUDA MUDA MUDA punch every character to death, then their souls go to Hell and get molested by Satan?! What kind of GM are you?! Of every goddamn way to "punish" the player characters, you think the orc should've FUCKING RAPED THEM AND LEGITIMATELY CUT OFF ALL THEIR LIMBS. What is wrong with you!? I dare you to try that shit with your friends' characters in a session, and see how they react. Fucking Hell, one of the main rules GM's always harbor is to let the players have as much fun as possible, not fucking drag them into a proverbial snuff film where their players are the main victims, being "punished because they trusted the villains" so they all feel like shit/are extremely creeped out and leave.

@dr.calibrations7984

6 жыл бұрын

Gryphon Phelps The Orc enjoys torture and rape. I'm the fucked up person for making him turn his sights to the exreamly powerful people who are aligned with him currently? I didn't make the guy. Hell if I were in the scenaro OP had put forth I probably wouldn't have let it get that far as I would just go down a genocide route not a Rape/tourture route. The OP tried and tried to get the party to betrey the dude by making him a gleeful rapist, a torturer, a genocidal dictator. But it crosses boundaries when i make the *Super evil dude* do something evil to the PC? In a universe where bringing someone back from the dead is possible? Lets not mention that they are *IN CHARACTER* okay with, and possibly partaking in this rape. Personally I dont care, If someone did it to me I would conclude that the guy who has been getting progressivly evil was probably going to do evil shit, and I probably should have picked up the warning signs that betrayal is oncoming. Bad guys tend to be untrustworthy, and considering that rape was established as fair game when they let it happen before then its fair game. They could have betrayed the villian like a villian does and continued their genocidal campaign. The OP was commenting on how disturbed he was by what they were doing and condoning. So I suggested that they reap what they sow. I dont understand why rape *suddenly* becomes taboo when it is lashed upon the PC? So theoretically you should be able to rape random villagers but not have that happen to you because its not okay? Thats like saying "I can stab anyone but its not okay for me to get stabbed back." As someone who has been raped IRL I can say it's not fun, and I probably would ask for the entire subject to be avoided, but i also wouldn't throw a fit if i said nothing and didnt even have my character intervene in a rape and then my PC does in fact get raped. The door goes both ways, if rape is in your DnD campaign then that means PC can get raped, same for tourture, drug addiction, STDs and any other taboo subject. Your a character in this world, meaning that you arent above the rules, if so why are yoy even playing this game? If you want to roleplay as this omnipotent God, then fanfics are far superior.

@wildebur

6 жыл бұрын

The thing is, though, I don't like playing as an omnipotent god. I want my characters to die if they deserve it, and I want the same for my PCs (i wont DM any that wont let their characters die). Being subject to the rules of the world is bloody important. I cover all sorts of terrible shit, and most of it is fine by me if it happens to the players, too. But really, you don't have to be playing as an omnipotent god for the GM to keep your characters out of rape. But... You have a good point with "I don't understand why rape suddenly becomes taboo when it is lashed upon the PC?". Perhaps if they've let it happen to others, then it's only logical that it could happen to them, sure. Personally, I would clarify to the PCs that they should be alright with the possibility of these things occurring to them, à la "You guys realize, if you're gonna let this shit happen in the campaign, it can happen to you, too, right? Realize that if I let this subject off the taboo list for NPCs it can happen to you guys too.", something like that, though really they should realize it on their own. Maybe that's too generous, heh. In this whole situation, though, you've convinced me that it's justifiable to rape the characters... I still wouldn't do it, though.

@dr.calibrations7984

6 жыл бұрын

Gryphon Phelps I'm glad that we are resolving this in a nice way. I would certainly make sure everyone is aware that if it can happen to an NPC then it can happen to you. If someone at the table were to say "hey I'm not cool with rape, drug addiction, tourture, ect." Then the topic wouldnt even be broached but if nobody sets a boundary and someone decides to make it a thing (I.E. they make their PC rape an NPC) then that opens everyone up to have it happen. But it would have long been stated that whatever befalls the NPCs is a potential PC issue as well. I'd probably even ask them if they're sure they want to take the story there. But if it's gonna be dark and twisted then Berserk rules apply. Personally I avoid that shit. I'll do gore and gritty easily even torture. But rape is just, terrible.

This stuff is diabolical. Exactly what I was looking for! Thank you so much.

@HowtobeaGreatGM

8 жыл бұрын

+egoistic lily Hope I pronounced the name correctly. Glad it was what you were looking for!

Okay but playing the character at 6:16 straight and making him genuinely an innocent bystander with fangs who wishes to help would be fucking hilarious.

So I played as the villain while GMing my game of GURPS, my character was a "galactic sheriff" but was truly the emperor of the most important evil faction. When my character turned and killed my baddest player, their faces of shock literally were straight out of the movies. Thanks again for your content and will continue to write my games with your advice.

@HowtobeaGreatGM

7 жыл бұрын

That sounds sublimely wonderful. Thank you for sharing! I'm glad I can help in a small way to make your games a touch better :)

Bumbling fool villain? Dont feed the darth jar jar theory guys D:

@suspicaxrohde2310

5 жыл бұрын

Are you trying to tell him to not support the TRUTH? /s

@aguyontheinternet4526

5 жыл бұрын

you know its true yet you live in denile

@KyrstOak

5 жыл бұрын

XD Nobody likes Jar Jar. Neither do I, really; dumb name.

@silvertheelf

5 жыл бұрын

Actually jar jar was going to be an actual villain but that scraped him because everyone hated him, he wasn’t going to be a bumbling fool as a villain and only acted as such as a character because he was trying to be the master minded villain, because everyone hated him they just quickly added a cannon fodder count as backup. Ask the original trilogy creators, they will reference jar jar as a villain enough that it’s evidence.

@omiorahman6283

5 жыл бұрын

Hazama from blazblue did it right

"How to create a cancellor Palpatine in a RPG" hahaha

@HowtobeaGreatGM

7 жыл бұрын

Goood... good... I can feel your ... power! Let it flow through you! Embrace the Dark Side.

@hunterlaven5113

7 жыл бұрын

Angel no it Griffith

@hindscarth360

6 жыл бұрын

Palpatine - "I am the Senate!" Mace Windu - "Not y- What the hell?!" *Palpatine screams as he blurs out of existence, a swirling portal opens mid-air and a cyborg-Palpatine steps out and turns his bionic eye on Windu* Cancellor Palpatine - "I AM CANCELLOR PALPATINE, THE INFERIOR CHANCELLOR HAS BEEN CANCELLED. THIS TIMELINE IS NOW MINE" *Proceeds to Ultra Sheev Spin*

@omiorahman6283

5 жыл бұрын

hunter laven Griffith did nothing wrong

@Boom__6678

4 жыл бұрын

@@HowtobeaGreatGM nah I'm good

I think we have different definitions of masterminds... I call those types horde controllers. That's their only power, they control hordes of people and run over people/institutes/countries with them. And that's all they're good for. subtle? They are not. A true mastermind treats the world as a chess game. If he has to ingratiate himself with the characters, so be it. There's an another type you missed: The Other Guy is Worse. He's a villain, he's obvious about it, but he's been drafted to help the players because the other guy literally is the end of the world so.. it's kinda obvious who he'll ally with because after all, can't enjoy power if you are dead... And the players could be very clued in on that! they KNOW he's a bad guy. They KNOW he's going to game it to his benefit... hell, the paladin may be willing to kill him on sight! BUT....they NEED him for some reason to knock off mr. world destroyer. so it becomes a fun RP challenge for them to watch/convert him even as he's helping the party with the ultimate intent to take power.. or if he's smart about it, just ensure that world destroying isn't on the table anymore, then he makes his get-away. I did have the players surprise me by not only taking one such villain in but two.. recruiting the second as well. And they used the two villains against each other so neither had the advantage when mr. world destroyer finally died. And I'm sitting here looking at the players and thinking "well played guys, well played."

@magiv4205

5 жыл бұрын

One word: Raishan.

I always have to back your videos up and replay them about 30 times because my mind fills with ideas and gets sidetracked with ways to implement some of your suggestions. Thank you for your work!

Nobody ever expected Jerry the hobo

@an8strengthkobold360

4 жыл бұрын

Who is *not* three kobolds in an over coat.

I love playing my villains as "oh, he is totally a bad guy, there is no way to misunderstand that, but right now he is allay to players". It feels pretty good when "well, i dont want to do what this obviously evil guy tells me to do, but on the other hand - he asks us to save city from famine... We should work with him to get what is he trying to do!" It shifts dynamic in a fun way. "Winning" transforms from "dont let bad guy do his thing" into "get information about his thing before it becomes too late, and you were part of it."

This was is very similar to what I was planning for my next game Bassically, the bulk of the campaign takes place in the only steampunk city in the mostly fantasy world. While everywhere else is classic fantasy, this city has hearts and factories and constructs, etc... the place is paradise, but the players quickly learn of a terrorist group with bronze dragon masks. The players deal with the local politicians to take down the organization, only to find that the terrorist was trying to take down the corruption in the city, and that same politician is now launching an airship invasion against the capitals of the world.

Jar Jar Binks is the Sith Lord above Palpatine. George Lucas is a pussy for folding after the terrible reaction of Prequel Episode 1 and opting out of the Jar Jar Binks as Sith reveal and inserting Count Dooku in his place for the Yoda fight. It's such a grievance that the prequel movies that Lucas made can't be canon and are instead only illegitimately legitimized head-canons of the movie reviewers for episode 1. The real canon, which unfortunately doesn't have movies made for it, is the one where Jar Jar Binks is revealed as the Sith Lord.

@joshhaworth2155

7 жыл бұрын

Meesa going to destroy the Jedi now...

@breezeark9154

7 жыл бұрын

It's a legitimate grievous.

I love the nemesis villain, in two campaigns that I've run they were the very first character the players met, both times they were senior members of the organisations they worked for, helping them in their mission (one was deep undercover, the other their pilot) They played my players like a fiddle (or I did) One Ulysses in my Dark Heresy campaign the pilot got them captured and sent half way across the system to take part in a scenario which rips them of their weapons. The reveal of him was pretty epic and I intended him to die at the players hands but the circumstance (The GMPC almost killing him) Made it he escaped, they HATED him after and wanted more than anything to hunt him down (he wasn't the main villain more a henchmen as you described) The other was Loki from the MCU inspired one who again manipulated the players into his scheme. When he revealed himself as the baad guy it too was pretty epic. He was so likable when he eventually asked the players if they wanted to join him, they did! Which derailed the campaign completely but it allowed for an awesome battle with a huge interdimensional eldritch abomination. Although I found it hilarious when the players got upset when he implanted them with some magic which basically would kill them instantly if they tried to betray him. I was like: "He's the villain, what did you expect?" lol

good advice, gave me a lot of good ideas on playing Strahd by having him help the players along before revealing his true form.

I wasn't sure how to do the forsaken god nemesis I've had planned for months now, and this just gave me the perfect idea. He;s just going to pit the lesser forsaken gods against the party and keep informing them until he's allowed inside their stronghold, from there he will keep showing up randomly sketching out the walls. Being the god of knowledge he'll say something like "Oh , im just admiring the architecture. Things have changed in the past 200 years." Once they not only trust him, but let down their guard around him he will give them one last tip and demand he go with. The god they are currently gearing up to fight (Chaos god) will suddenly be at their door while the party is off on some menial task. When they return all will be well when the nemesis is suddenly impaled and "killed" wherein he will lie to the party about how he has some long last magic allowing him to stay alive through merging his soul with someone else's. If anyone takes the bait I will give them 2 resist roles if they fail both, they die and get a note saying "You have died. You are now the god pretending to be you." By the end of the session the reveal should come naturally with the player being visibly messed up, and the character being awkward and off kilter. If they do pass the check the guy stands up, snaps his fingers, and an army of demons will show up while he monologues about how stupid the party is and how hes the mastermind and none are better than him.

I feel so bad for my players now. Thank you so much for those great (and evil) ideas! subscribed and liked!

@HowtobeaGreatGM

8 жыл бұрын

+Zulhilmi Mohd Nor Welcome to the table!

I have a lawful good villain... Pitched him to a friend and their response was 'Holy shit it's ISIS'

@Chiller31916

4 жыл бұрын

Wouldn't that be lawful evil? O.o

One edit, as a lady table top player, you have to reward the romance a little. It's a cliche, but one that we all want. Have the villain say something a long the lines of, I didn't lie to you about how I felt, and there's a place for you here if you will join me. It also adds some tension if they can tell there henchmen, kill the rest, but bring that one to me alive. Ect...or even tormenting them by trying to continue romancing them even after the betrayal.

@saulofontoura

6 жыл бұрын

I did exactly that in one of my campaigns, but it went terribly wrong... The PC actually betrayed the party and became the villain's wife! She really enjoyed it, but the other players were quite unhappy...

@TheCyberwoman

6 жыл бұрын

Saulo Fontoura I think that can be a good outcome, if it makes sense for the character. But at that point the player should have to roll a new character. And their old PC basically becomes an NPC. You might give them some opportunities to make decisions for their old character as things progress. But I consider a full turn like that to have a certain finality to it, and at that point the player should focus on a character that is a part of the party.

@oz_jones

2 жыл бұрын

@@saulofontoura amazing

@pst5345

Жыл бұрын

NO. No romance for you.😁

@GreenSabre187

Жыл бұрын

@@saulofontoura now that is awesome! Magical.

I just held my first adventure as a GM where the villain was a Necromancer survivor from a war between Necromancers and, well, the good guys. She was a bit manical and crazy and had a Vampire, evil Cleric and a Death Night under her bidding, along with a bunch of undead. She wanted an orb that which had powers from the world itself. She was supposed to be the typical villain; however, after looking through the Monster Manual, I stumbled across the pages with Succubus/Incubus and I was like: aaaaah... So suddenly, this evil, lonely Necromancer was charmed from many years back to do this devil's bidding and in the end, when she was to be finished off, the charm ended and the PC's chose to spare her and trust what she was saying, they killed the Incubus and she made everything right. Well, until the authority captured her and executed her publicly and thanked the group for helping them all :P

@TheMento98

5 жыл бұрын

So less of a villain and more a tragic hero npc? At least my take away based on the end with the public execution.

One of my favorite characters was a Lawful Evil Drow Assassin (D&D 2e). I also had a Mage/Cleric (Lawful Neutral) that got powerful enough to take control of a city-state. The Mage commissioned the Drow to be the head of his secret police. It worked out SO well. Anyway, he was running in a party of characters where he was the lowest level character. The Lawful Good Ranger was constantly giving him crap, talking down to him, distrusting him, the usual racist stuff against the Drow. Daggar saved every member of the party at least once, most twice, and the Ranger 3 times during the several-session campaign. During the very last session, within a matter of about 20 minutes, every character died a horrible death. The Ranger was the last to go. Except, of course, Daggar, who just walked away. Everyone was PISSED. Oh, did I mention the player running the Ranger was my brother? Anyway, we were driving somewhere a few days later and my brother was still moaning and groaning about how unfair the DM was. On and on he went. I finally had to admit, just to shut him up, that Daggar had been commissioned, from the very beginning, to kill the party. I tried REALLY hard to find an excuse not to, to justify letting them live, but they treated my character so poorly that he was fine with just destroying them all. And the absolute beauty of the whole thing is that NO ONE knew that it was Daggar that slaughtered them all except the GM and me. I usually don't like running Evil characters, but that day was _GLORIOUS!_

I really loved the idea of the major enemy trying to get the party to trust him. But that got me thinking... What if the major enemy DOES pay off these henchmen to injure him so the party will help him, but the henchmen actually try to kill him for reals? It's a betrayal of the mastermind by his own henchmen, and now his plot to betray the party seems like a bad idea, and he'd want revenge on his henchmen. But with no other help to do so, he's forced to stick with the party that he hates or desires to kill. Him and the party systematically wipe out the mastermind's henchmen, and everything he's worked to build up, all the while he's secretly fuming about his awful situation. This might all lead to a powerful mcguffin that he'd steal in order to use it against the party, finally achieving what he wanted. That would be the climactic battle, with him occasionally spouting some monologue(during the fray, not halting the fray).

best example for a villan inside a party is on the show critical role....spoiler alerts.....clorota, the mind flayer. he uses the players to defeat the evil kavarn who enslaved his tribe of mindflayers, and once kavarn is defeated, he emediatly turns on the players "you served your purpose, and now its time to feed" ^^

@HowtobeaGreatGM

8 жыл бұрын

+GirlPainting That is a great example! I think the challenge one has in that kind of situation is that DnD often prescribes 'alignments' for races. For example mindflayers are all evil... this makes it difficult for a party of experienced players to see the flayer for the evil. Matt is a great GM and so he managed to pull it off. I know my players would need a major reason to trust a mind flayer - even though I purposely ignore alignment for races. But yes. Good example.

@GirlPainting

8 жыл бұрын

in that case it was an accident that he evan endet up in the party in the first place. he was a random encounter planed for a later meeting. the players themselfs took the diplomatic aproach instead of an combad encounter because they had no f ing clue what to expect from a mindflayer. but they knew the hole time that his allignment is evil. but the enemy of my enemy is my friend took place in this case and so they went with it. the best part in my opinion was when they evan defendet him against lady kima and trusted him absolutly. that made the betrail at the end so much more rewarding.

@HowtobeaGreatGM

8 жыл бұрын

Ah beautiful! Love it when that kind of play happens!

@Ultrox007

6 жыл бұрын

So, just like the assassins guild from Knights of the Old Republic?

@michaelc1626

5 жыл бұрын

Lol I just started watching CR and when I watched this video I thought Gee that sounds exactly like what's happening with Clarence so I bet he's the real villain. Kinda as if Mercer watched this video and took notes. Spoiler for Matt Mercer he's not as much of a creative genius as everyone thinks

Great video and ideas. I've always enjoyed running evil characters myself, so having a diabolical nemesis plotting like that will help make running a game more enjoyable for me. Thanks for the ideas.

@HowtobeaGreatGM

7 жыл бұрын

Anytime! Happy to help!

Greate poits, the only problem with the last kind of viliam, is when you players are paranoid and ploting to kill one each other.... i love my players ^_^

Goddammit i was victim of the second kind of villain you described. She infiltrated our inquisitorial acolyte group for like two missions due to being a old friend of my character and then she screwed us over by summoning a daemon we had to stop and tried to directly kill me. Most of it was my fault since i trusted that character like 95%. (I suppose that is a bad thing in a dark heresy game). We are still hunting her when the game was sadly put on hold.

I’ve got my campaign where the king and queen are actually part of the team of the main villain. But they seem so sincere because of their stories that have been passed down for a couple centuries about how they defeated the main villain.

the way you talk, explain, categorize is great! Awesome video, i'll see soon the others

Great ideas and some things I have used myself over the years. Nice channel with lots of good suggestions.

This gave me an amazing idea for the campaign arc villain, thank you these videos are very underappreciated but are incredibly helpful

I am really glad I started watching all these videos. I am getting so many great ideas and so much great advice from these videos. I have learned so much and will be taking everything I have learned into my GMing

On the other hand as the PC's get attatched to the Nemesis, the nemesis might find themselves getting attatched to the PC's.

@Jake007123

7 жыл бұрын

Yes, and that's why he tries to kill his lover first "So you don't have to endure the pain of watching all your companions die, my love. BYE", with a little smirk. Remember, he's the villain bastard who wants to destroy/conquer/etc the world/city/galaxy/etc. He is not a good guy and he is not going to throw away his years of planning for a simple feeling such as friendship or love.

@gnarthdarkanen7464

6 жыл бұрын

Yep... emotions... double-edged sword if the heart isn't strong enough to deal so well with them... Maybe somebody should make a law or something... :o)

@bibbobella

6 жыл бұрын

I could see him getting them into a trap where he could very easily kill them but instead plead for them to follow his plans. Not in a "You need to do this or you will die!!!" kinda evil way but in a "Please don't make me kill you! Just join me and we can rule together! I will even allow everyone you love to live!" Make a kind of sympatic leader that is so far out it is almost impossible to really back out at this point. Then when/if the players say no he will walk away despite knowing full well there is a great chance they might not actually die saying something like "Fine but I wont watch you get killed.." It could make him into one hell of an interesting character that the PC's might find hard to kill as well.

@KyrstOak

5 жыл бұрын

@@bibbobella Yeah. I like that idea.

@chrizzle45

4 жыл бұрын

Essek, if you know you know

A major campaign takes this to another extreme. There are multiple "super-villain's" each with henchmen hatching plots on their behalf (perhaps there is even a henchman or two that is a double agent between them) as they compete for the same, or conflicting, goals. At first the PC's are just the Scooby-gang. A bunch of meddling kids that keep thwarting unimportant lackeys in the grand scheme of the super villains. but utterly annoying to a henchman or two as they take out underling after underling. Then they take out a few henchmen, and catch the attention of the major players, who turn their resources more directly towards the nuisances. But then as they prove to be bigger and bigger threats to the super villains, some want them utterly eliminated, while others want to use them to eliminate rivals. Still another wants to corrupt them, and turn them into a weapon. In the end, the PC's have finally identified a super villain or two, and move to eliminate them, only to discover that the third super villain now has nothing but them to hold them in check. And who knows what other forces are now eyeing the power vacuum they have created.

I'm very happy I found your page! I used to GM a lot of games back in the day but I gave it up around 2000 and just became a player. I've been wanting to get back into GMing and these are helping me forge my story! Thank you!

@HowtobeaGreatGM

5 жыл бұрын

That's awesome! Welcome back!

Just saw this vid and had a great idea for a villain in my current campaign I am running. Thanks a bunch

An interesting villian to run (but probably more minor than long term) would be one that the PC's are completely aware of their evil doings and all, yet they have some sort of detrimental blackmail over them that allows them to stay near the group with a safeguard around him, perhaps he might tell a beloved NPC something that makes them despise the group and break them emotionally. That way, the PCs can only watch as this villain hordes his power over them, doing subtle yet horrific actions along the way, so the only way to get rid of them is to accept the consequences of their actions or to try and make them suffer "an unfortunate accident".

the sponsor the party thing is really good for if you make your villian a triple agent, have him /actually/ being evil but claim to the heroes that he is a double agent it's a bit obvious though since inception kept hammering in that plot device and i'm sure it's still stuck in our heads

@JeremJarnex

8 жыл бұрын

+Reiza oo! i didn't watch any harry potter until two years ago but i remember they used that bumbling idiot deal in their first movie

@HowtobeaGreatGM

8 жыл бұрын

+Reiza Yup. None of these ideas are new, it's how we execute them that makes them special!

@TriMarkC

5 жыл бұрын

I’ve been planning on using the party’s Benefactor as the Mastermind, but now I’m going to leave the door open with a few clues that perhaps the quiet bumbling liaison is the actual Mastermind. Gives me options later.

Best damn G.M. advice I've had yet! Love the channel and the sincerity with witch you approach your craft is bracing and much appreciated. Thanks😎

More solid advice as usual. I think the best part about your GM videos is that they aren't really specific to one game system, or a certain level of experience. Your suggestions seem useful to veterans and novices alike, and I can't think of any other KZreadr that I could say the same for. I daresay you've cost a few of your peers some views, and rightly so, as this channel seems almost tailor made for the kinds of issues I run into myself. I've been ruminating on how to have an overarching villain in my game, and lo and behold I find a video addressing exactly that subject.

@HowtobeaGreatGM

8 жыл бұрын

+Preston Powell Firstly thank you for the compliment. Secondly if you have more topics you'd like me to discuss please share with us, as most of the video's are motivated by you guys leaving comments. A lot of people don't like my videos for the same reason: I'm not system specific. For me the system is really whichever one gets out of the way of and let's role-playing happen. Hence I HATE DnD 4th ed. Where you have to use mini's and it's basically a boardgame. But thank you, and I'll continue to try to live up to this standard :)

Wow. That was sinister in that engaging way that makes me contemplate the benefits of conversion to the Dark Side. Well done!

I know this is a bit old now, but this was really helpful. Been struggling to properly flesh out my villain and this gave me a few diabolical ideas which I think is going to be very fun to play with.

This is a really well thought out and explained video. Thank you.

I already got a shady character joined the group and he is proving to be very useful. Some of the players actually suspect him, but he is slowly gaining their trust. I wasn't thinking of turning him into a villain but you really tempted me.

@HowtobeaGreatGM

8 жыл бұрын

+Infinite Bladez hehehehe... sounds perfect!

I was so excited when Guy mentioned White Collar. That has pretty much been my inspiration for writing interesting complicated campaign plots that span between adventures.

Absolutely fantastic video

Thank you so much! I've been trying for days to think of a way to make my villain last past the point of "hey guys I just conquered your city using this huge army of giant constructs immune to everything but adamantine damage", and now I've finally got it- He has his *army* conquer the city and then saves it as the party are returning with a few dozen adamantine weapons and ammunition, gaining their trust and pinning it on X villain elsewhere and also gaining the trust of the lord of the town.

Cracking video! It's a truism that stories are made up of human encounters, means and motivations, strengths and weaknesses etc. but this video really helped me understand what this means in practice. Bravo!

@HowtobeaGreatGM

7 жыл бұрын

Wow thanks so much, glad you found it useful.

Good story hooks and character tricks. As I said my party will all be new so I will not be able to put the Nemesis into the party righty away but your ideas are stirring creative juices for the next Nemesis they have to face.

@HowtobeaGreatGM

8 жыл бұрын

Makes me happy to read these kind of comments - I do appreciate the feedback!

I'm liking your channel. One thing I had in a game I ran was where the " friend " nemesis betrayed them, was where the nemesis seemingly died when everything went wrong ( players were framed for crimes and badly injured). Seven game sessions later one of the players saw their dead " friend " leaving an inn. It made for about a dozen more good game sessions as they hunted down and killed their former friend.

I'd love to listen to this guy do an audiobook.

I've got my first game coming up on Monday, with all new players and it'll be my first time DMing. I went searching for how to be a good dungeon master and found lots of great KZread videos, forums and the like but this channel stands out from the rest. I've watched around 30 of these videos in like a week. They are all very helpful so I guess I just wanna say thanks! :D

@HowtobeaGreatGM

8 жыл бұрын

+Scott Asquith Well thank you for that comment! And your commitment to your players! I hope they are watching videos on how to be good players (and yes that's a punt for my other channel... wwwgreatgamemaster.com has loads of stuff for players too). But good luck with Monday, and please let us know how it goes! What system are you running? How many players?

@JustAQNow

8 жыл бұрын

+How to be a Great Game Master I will definitely send them that, I'm trying not to overload them with information right now since it's their first time playing :P We'll be playing 5e with 3 players and I've been building my world all week with help from your videos, I would still be staring at a blank word document if it wasn't for you help :)

@HowtobeaGreatGM

8 жыл бұрын

Awesome man! Three players is an a excellent size. Suggestion - make sure they cover tanking damaging and healing so as to make their lives easier if its their first time :)

I subscribed almost immediately just because this guy's accent is very delightful, and plus his videos are nice and full information.

@HowtobeaGreatGM

8 жыл бұрын

+Jordan Kalmov Why thank you ;) Glad to videos are useful! Welcome to the channel!

This is such good advice for story writing as well as D&D! Glad i stumbled across this channel. One element i would ad to this list of good ideas is to give your villains a just slightly redeemable, or at least understandable motivation. Its no good to get to the climax and the villains plan revealed only to have him say he did it because...idk, im just evil i guess. A great example is one our GM came up with which was an unusually intelligent goblin who when he met our characters claimed that he'd been driven away for not being as ruthless and violent as the rest of his kind, and asked if he could journey with us into the town. In truth this goblin simply used us to vouch for his civility and entrance into the city so he could cut the chain on the portcullis, trap everyone inside and burn the city to the ground. Why? Because he was in fact the king of the goblins who was starting an insurrection against all other races who routinely invaded their mountain caves looking for their treasure and killed them like vermin You can feel a twinge of guilt and sympathy now right? How many times have we all gone about our quests murdering goblins or falmer or supermutants in our selfish pursuit of gold and quest items? The evil the goblin king does now has a justification in his mind and the added motivation of vengeance that adds depth to the character beyond mere money or chaos or world domination. When we finally found the goblin kings lair, all of us had reservations about killing him. And even though we did, it wasnt a triumphant moment but one of uncertainty and solemn reflection. Thats the stuff of deep, meaningful stories and great role playing.

I'm so happy I found your channel. Great advice.

@HowtobeaGreatGM

8 жыл бұрын

+Henrik S Törnblom Thank you, and we're glad you could join us! If you have any questions let me know!

Oh wow thanks for the ideas this is an awesome video!!

Hi, im from Brazil. Thank you a lot for sharing that great knowledge that you have. After i saw a couple of your videos, im full of good ideas to play with my dnd 5th group. Great Job!

@HowtobeaGreatGM

8 жыл бұрын

Hello Brazil! Thank you for watching! And for letting us know ;) Let us know how it goes and if you have any questions please do not hesitate to post them here, we love questions or comments or suggestions!

This gave me so many ideas for my first long campaign. Thanks so much.

I love this kind of thought-worthy content. It's great advice/suggestions for real working and functional campaign related material. I would like to point out (regarding truly remarkable villainy) that practically speaking, there's really no substitute for a confederate player... Pre-agree and discuss regularly with said confederate the role of the villain, and how it pertains to actions in the game as well as the general politics and surroundings... The best trick is to manage most of these conversations AWAY FROM THE ATTENTIONS OF OTHER PLAYERS... At least, try to avoid unwanted attention before the "grand reveal"... It should be understood (of course) that the confederate's character is very likely destined for a miserable demise... SO no hard feelings and a "workable relationship" with a player might well be worth "valued in-game rewards" for his character(s)... even to some degree in future games (it was a fairly popular incentive when more than one player figured out how the "favoritism" worked during character-building)... Suddenly, I was up to my eyebrows in treacherous bastards...lolz. (so do be fair while you're at the instigating)... Another fine point around this, (particularly from HOWTOBEAGREATGAMEMASTER) is what might your feelings be in regards to a "Co-GM"??? That is to say, two GM's technically partnered to help run the campaign... Whether it's a seasoned GM' veteran aiding in rule-deciphers and some "suggestions" along the judgment calls while a "Noob-GM" is actually "running the game" all the way to a tailoring of game-style that eve allows some party-splitting antics (as long as the two GM's stay relatively on-task)... like splitting up in a castle or maze/dungeon crawl. :o)

That was a great video. Am currently designing a story with a mastermind type villain, and it's so much fun!

Thank you so much for this! I have already been implementing some of these. Knowing that i have been doing it right so far is great. ^w^

I'm planning to eventually run a game where the villain is the Quest giver. The players are gradually witness to more and more questionable actions as the guy goes on a slippery slope, with a motive that seems quite good at first (finding some way to cure his young daughter) and actions that seem rather harmless (laying a trap for a werewolf hiding in the village), but progressively degrade (think very disturbing medical / magical experiments, and hiding his deeds from the local mages guild by fabricating evidence to get others arrested). There would be two quests planned. One where the players follow along with his instructions, and are made to do absolutely awful things. One where they ditch him and report him to the competent authorities are help bring him down. The players wouldn't know about the two prepared storylines, so the whole fun for the GM would be to see how far the players are willing to go before they think "hang on one moment... why are we doing this again?", and how they deal with a villain that is actually betrayed _by them_ .

this guy is awesome!!! I just found out about him! I love the accent, I love the ideas!!! hell, I wish I'd found out about this guy's channel before!!! Keep it up, man, this is awesome!!!

Wow this was extremely well said and extremely well put together! You gave me the perfect idea for the villain my party is about it encounter!

@HowtobeaGreatGM

8 жыл бұрын

+Cameron Johnson Awesome! Let us know how it goes!

Wow! Really awesome video! Thank you so much for the great ideas, and keep up the great work!

@HowtobeaGreatGM

8 жыл бұрын

+Dylan Duhon Many thanks for the compliment. Any other topics you'd like me to cover?

@dylanduhon7546

8 жыл бұрын

+How to be a Great Game Master Hmm. Making magical items interesting and involved with the story? Or your opinion on social encounters/puzzles? That's what comes off the top of my head.

@HowtobeaGreatGM

8 жыл бұрын

Consider both topics added to the list! Thanks for your input! :)

@dylanduhon7546

8 жыл бұрын

+How to be a Great Game Master And thank you! =D

I'd like to add one more type of "Villain" to the list that's not use all that often, but if used well can make for some really interesting stories : The Calamity Something is about to happen or is happening that the players have no realistic chance to stop entirely or at all. Their primary goal is not to defeat the Calamity, but to endure it and help others endure it as well. We're talking stuff like : An island nation is set ablaze by the sudden eruption of a volcano. A divine war between Heave and Hell spills into the material plane. (The premise of Diablo for instance) The Fallout scenario, where nuclear war turned the entire world into a hostile wasteland and the game is about day to day survival. These type of scenarios don't require a overarching supreme vilain in the classical sense. You can add one, as it never really hurts to have good physical vilains to defeat, but the point of the Calamity is that this vilain is the premise itself. Its the setting, the very nature of the world in which the PCs must carve a life of their own.

I'm reminded of a story of a wonderful villain someone created. I'll try to do it justice. They started off with these level one PCs that discovered this terrible evil and an npc that employed them to defeat it. Overtime this NPC became a sort of den mother appearing randomly to help in there time of need and just as quickly disappearing. Eventually they became strong enough to fight the major villain and the beloved NPC of course comes to help. When they get into the final room of the castle the NPC reveals that his mind and body is being controlled and the reason he disappears is because of the control. He's been grooming them to defeat him and the players realize they have to kill their friend.

@JohnAWoods-ui3gp

4 жыл бұрын

I know this is an old post, but hopefully either the OP or someone else may read this and be able to help. I have been searching for a post that I saw in the past that was similiar to this story you mentioned. What I remember is that the land had an evil king and the party was questing to defeat him. Along the way they met an NPC who became a companion of theirs and would help them, teach them, guide them, etc. He would leave the party periodically, and return soon after. (When he was away the party would either hear of another evil act of the king or would actually see the king.) Eventually they are ready and reach the evil king and find that he is the npc that has been helping them prepare. He is being controlled or influenced and in his moments of sanity he does everything he can to help them defeat him. He has spent the entire campaign preparing them to kill him because he know that he must be stopped. I'm not sure if we are talking about the same story, but either way if you can point me towards the post that you were referencing it may help me with my search. Even if it doesn't help I think it will be a good read nonetheless.

18:24 ...unless it's Call of Cthulhu. Then EVERYONE dies.

This is extremely helpful thank you! I now know how to place my nemesis, in my first campaign!

Great ideas! My villain ideas are more fleshed out now.

This video has reassured me I am doing my current villains in an appropriate way! Thanks :)

Well done, sir!

Simply fantastic video. Bravo!

Player Nemesis, I had the players assisting an otherworldly patron who up until that point, fed them power and rewards. However, upon defeating my “Villain”, I had the players betrayed, losing half their levels because they lost the favor of this Patron. The patron, a Jester in disguise, who turned out to be a Tiefling who was attempting to become a god, then sent several assassins to handle the players, and the betrayal was unexpected because of their Patron’s “Holy” Powers were unmatched and righteous. Made for an interesting TPK, that was followed by an actual god reviving them to deal with their blunder.

My golden rule is show them early and show them often, really develop them as a character

my players have a message to give you. I won't say it cause it's rude. But me though.... THank you for all your diabolical help >:)

Dude this was amazing to follow.

Great video!!! It gave me a tons of ideas for my next session. Keep it up.👍👍👍

@HowtobeaGreatGM

8 жыл бұрын

+ttt4life Let us know how it goes!

Once my secret villain was a shopkeeper that they bought magic items from for a high price. “Wait he used all that money we gave him to summon Tiamat? Ohhh so that’s why he had so many magic items!”

Absolutely fantastic! Thank you so very much for giving me many new ideas for a really bastard-ly character to insert in my CP2020 campaign! Great stuff!

*cackles maniacally* thanks for the ideas and plots

My favorite nemesis was in our Call of Cthulhu game. At this point, the PCs have stopped a few Great Old Ones from coming to Earth (Hastur and Cthulhu specifically). The Mythos took notice and Nyarlathotep, the Trickster God, came after them. He was an absolute delight to use in the campaign because, unlike the other threats they faced, he came after them personally. He'd kidnap loved ones, turn insane PCs into cultists, and would play them against each other.

Very well done. Nice stuff.

One of the greatest vilains is the vilain that is actually quite reasonable and doesn't mind joining force with the players : Vilain 1 : Wants to pull a revolution a take over the kingdom. Kingdom ain't necessarily evil. Neither is the vilain, he just has thing personally against the current King, and the PCs are working for said King. Vilain 2 : Wants to utterly annihilate said kingdom with a super weapon. Vilain 1 goes to PCs and be like, "we need to work together to stop vilain 2, otherwise there won't be anything left to fight over." PCs be like "Okay" Then they kill Vilain 2 and gain access to the Super Weapon Then they fight over it against Vilain 1 and the PCs win again. Then, naturally, the PCs use the super weapon repeatedly to blow up not just this one kingdom, but also the entire world for the evil lulz, because Murder Hobos.

This was amazing, keep the videos coming!

@HowtobeaGreatGM

8 жыл бұрын

+unforgeti Your command my hands! :)

I know this is an older video, but I wanted to share a "nemesis" story from the homebrew western I lead a few years back. Two player characters had it in their backstory that they had been farmhands in debt, practically slaves, to a plantation owner. The game had been going on for several sessions before they had a chance to choose if they wished to keep on the chase and tail the villain of the story that was set in the first session or go to act out personal revenge against a minor villain from their backstory (who they had never met in the actual game) by taking a detour that would give the actual villain a better lead. I had planned for the possibility that they would do the detour for revenge, though they split the party with half going to act out the revenge and half to keep tabs on the main villain by giving chase, but I didn't force their hand nor guide their decision more than by saying "the next possibility to revenge the past wrongs can be a while." As they planned their murderous scheme I gave information that the previously enslaved characters recall how the evil plantation owner had a female bodyguard who is a gunslinger turned bounty hunter. This female gunslinger became the nemesis for the group in the future, or rather a "frememis" (friendly nemesis) as they prefered to call her in the end which I shall explain later on. All they knew was that the plantation will be guarded by regular guards and the gunslinger who presumably only works for money and has no actual loyalty for the owner of the place. When they managed to break in and sneak to the villain's room a fight begun and as it progressed the gunslinger realized that no matter what she would do she wouldn't be able to save her employer in time and she just left the scene as she knew no one would pay for her additional troubles fighting the players. So the players managed to revenge the past wrongs done by this minor backstory villain, but when they moved on to meet up with the other half of the party in a nearby town they met the gunslinger from the plantation. Given that they had also looted the whole plantation and had a lot of money to throw around they decided to hire the female gunslinger to their party with the knowledge that the moment someone else does a better deal she will turn on them. They get to travel at least two sessions, which inculuded combat that only made them like the gunslinger more despite losing money since they had to pay for each kill they made, before they came to another cross road in the story. They had an option to take a shortcut through a rocky desert into another town with a good assumption that the main villain they were chasing after would go there as well, but they weren't 100% sure and knew that if the whole party would take the shortcut and their assumption was wrong they would lose them.. So they had more than half of the party take the shortcut with the attempt to organize an ambush for the main villain before they would make it to the town they were traveling towards while the rest went to tail the main villain to keep tabs on them if their assumption was wrong and they would be heading to another place so they wouldn't lose them after all by having the small group deliver the news of the change in plans if their initial plan and assumptions weren't gonna work. This smaller group who went to ensure they wouldn't lose the villain took the gunslinger with them since they thought that the main villain was traveling with a group of at least 20 men and the best shooter of the player group was good to have around. However when they found the villain and made camp further away from theirs failed the dice rolls to notice the guards who villain had patrolling the area.. When they were caught and a firefight was about to start the gunslinger turned on the players in moments notice and shot them in back (to wound them, not to kill) and then proceed to get the main villain hire her to their group instead after coming to their camp with guards and the imprisoned players. The players knew from the start the female gunslinger would betray them but they had just assumed she would only betray them if someone else would make a better offer.. They hadn't even entertained the thought of her betraying them in the face of trouble that might be more than her pay was worth without any ensured deal suggested by the bad guys before the possible betrayal and then proceed to use the act of betraying the players as a "pitch talk" for her to get employed by the main villain instead. It was a betryal that hurt, yet the players realized that they couldn't really blame anyone else for it than themselves. However what hurt more was how the main villain then interrogated the imprisoned players who spilled the beans about the upcoming ambush that was being prepared by the majority of the players and whenever they tried to lie to the main villain the gunslinger fact-checked them with whatever knowledge she had learned about the players during their short journey together (with some lies going through as "facts" since she didn't know them that well). The main villain didn't only get to hear their plans and how many players were there to attempt to do this ambush, but he also got to learn what kind of weapons they carried and he was these "mastermind" type of villains who went as deep as to ask the relations of the player characters (and the few side characters) who traveled together. So he knew all their plans and mostly how to manipulate each and one of them after the imprisoned players had told everything they knew. From there the main villain got to do this improvised "darkest hour" moment for the player group that was fueled only by their own miscalculation and the betrayal they should have seen coming when the majority of the party were attacked during the night instead of them managing to ambushing the villain as planned. During the attack the players found themselves in a house set on fire where they had been sleeping in while being forced to stay inside by the villain and his men (along with the female gunslinger who now fought for the bad guys) who kept aiming towards the door and the windows with revolvers and rifles to prevent the players from escaping. However I let the main villain be close enough for them to try to kill him but trying to do so would leave them open to be fired upon by the henchmen.. One player took this chance, had a succesful roll and wounded the main villain with a lucky shot to the head (though they actual damage roll was terrible). While he drew first blood of the villain who only got a scar out of it the player who did it were shot to oblivion and were critically injured for it. They got to have a small moment of victory during their darkest hour where one player and one npc almost died while one npc actually died with rest of the group getting injured badly.. And the little sister (npc) of two brothers (player characters) was kidnapped by the main villain during the chaos. Yet somehow they pulled through and the villain retreated. From there the players had to sneak to the town to see a doctor (since the villain was staying there as well) and there one player met the female gunslinger who had betrayed them and in a way caused the whole mess along with one liked npc getting killed and sister npc being kidnapped. She said she didn't regret what she had done and warned them that if they will keep chasing the main villain she has no choice but to shoot them, but it wasn't personal for her but since she warned them the players did realize she was more of a "reluctant henchwoman" who didn't like the idea of shooting at the players but will absolutely do so from now on since she was on the villain's payroll. Rest of the group learned that the villain was about to head towards the mountain and if they wouldn't go after him right now they would propably lose him for good. So all of them decided to give chase despite all the characters being barely in shape to fight, but they knew that the villain had lost a few men during the attack as well so they had a slim chance to win and attempt to save the kidnapped sister. In the end their chase took the group to the mountains a day or two before snowfall and there they fought against the gunslinger and few henchmen who were left behind to take care the players who he knew were badly hurt and a small group could deal with them given that the bad guys had high ground in a mountain forest. The players won the fight and critically injured the female gunslinger who laid down on the ground bleeding to death as they thought what to do with them. One player wanted to just leave, most wanted to grant them mercy and put them out of their misery accompanied kind words.. They gave the female gunslinger peace and actually granted her wish of "shoot me in the heart, I want to be beautiful when I die" and despite knowing that the main villain was getting away they took time to properly bury the gunslinger who had betrayed them in the past. She was this minor character who I hadn't planned to use more than in the revenge plot at the plantation (which was a thing they could have skipped) yet I thought bringing her back for a nice call back would be more fun and then the players decided to hire her.. And as they say rest is history. One of the best "nemesis" or "friendly nemesis" type of characters I have had the pleasure to play as and improvise with as a GM. ...If anyone is interested for the rest of the story: The players finally met the main villain and defeated him, freed the kidnapped sister npc and barely survived without losses after the fight was done at the shore of a mountain lake. When they finished off the main villain the snow start to fall.

The way you said "with fangs" lol

THIS!!! This has given me some very Good(bad) ideas. The guy that is helping the PC's right now,and has helped them before, sent them on missions, given advise, just WOW, Can't wait to see the look on the face of the players when I turn it around on them. This is why I. LOVE. THIS. CHANNEL!!!!!

@HowtobeaGreatGM

7 жыл бұрын

AND WE LOVE YOUR REACTIONS TO THIS CHANNEL! :) Let us know how it goes, but please remember... you must give them a couple clues first that he may be dodgy, otherwise it will feel hallow! So patience young padawan... patience!

@TheDryfus

7 жыл бұрын

yes, already trying to figure out how to do that, and keep it subtle( I'm not very good at subtle.).

@HowtobeaGreatGM

7 жыл бұрын

It's the little things... slavery, murder... extortion... you know... lol

@TheDryfus

7 жыл бұрын

LOL

Of course. This happens every time. I’m trying to improve my dming skills so I look up some advice for world building, character building, villains, etc. then I’ll spend an hour avoiding your vids hoping for multiple perspectives but in the end... I always come back, I always like what you have to say better. I should stop wasting my time and just watch your vids first I guess. Nonetheless love the content!

For a campaign I’m currently running I had my gf create the “big bad” character the players would eventually encounter, and we had little sessions here and there behind the scenes to establish what she as the villain was doing while the players did their thing, and what she knew about them. A few sessions in though, things went sideways, and long story short the party met her earlier than expected and actually JOINED her to conquer the world. Unexpected evil campaign was unexpected!

I’m still convinced that you and Shad are the same person.

@Deppability

4 жыл бұрын

I literally thought that too! :D

9:18 In writing and role-playing this is the most devious and diabolical of the methods that a true villain can take to ingratiate themselves with the PCs/Protagonists. I LOVE IT!