I really cried. They are not only heroes for me. THEY ARE ANGELS and we should honor them

@debflaherty1037

4 жыл бұрын

AFTER SIX YEARS I STILL AGREE

@scottfrench3354

3 жыл бұрын

I will never forget this for as long as I live. Just horrible

@shrekcbo

Жыл бұрын

Guys were as hard as they come and just had to deal with deadly consequences. Very sad good men gone too soon.

@ScootsMcPoot

3 ай бұрын

They were idiots for going into a ravine when they were in black moments before. Let me rephrase, the leader of the team was an idiot. The rest followed orders and I feel sorry for them and their families. But not the ones giving bad orders. He went against basic firefighting

‘If Brendan hadn’t been picked up, he’d have been the 20th victim’. There you go. The fire was making its way towards them. Nothing you could do.

@SurfingBullDog

4 жыл бұрын

sonny gilly learn what?

@victorlabouche6471

4 жыл бұрын

@@sonnygilly2567 read my comment above...let me know if I'm off base or if I'm stating the obvious. You seem to be well acquainted with this case.

@Arizona_Desert_Walker

3 жыл бұрын

@@victorlabouche6471 I tried looking for your comment above and did not see it- did the KZread remove it?

@Arizona_Desert_Walker

3 жыл бұрын

@@SurfingBullDog what was omitted-

@victorlabouche6471

3 жыл бұрын

@@Arizona_Desert_Walker It's actually 'below' (not above!) - my bad, but here it is again: What happened to these guys was 100% tragic and this case demonstrates what happens if a division leader doesn't follow Wildfire LCES: Lookouts / Communications/ Escape Routes / Safety Zones. Marsh unfortunately led these guys on a 'shortcut' through a box canyon that hadn't burned since the 60's, and his decision violated at least 3/4 of these rules. Here's a breakdown: Lookout: (none): they had no view of the fire once McDonough left due to impending danger and was with a different crew - the Hotshots didn't even see the fire during this trek until it was upon them coming from the North (and it was too late). Had Marsh replaced McDonough and had an actual view of the fire during this trek? They would have known they couldn't continue down the hill. This isn't conjecture, it's fact. Communications: Marsh made a conscious decision to 'not tell a soul' he was taking 19 young guys into 'the red zone' - his last communication was "We're picking through the black." When he called out for Air Attack, all they had to go on what "we're in front of the flaming front". As tragic as this was, it's a fact of the case. Escape Route: How about none whatsoever. There was no fire-line or fire-proof way to escape, and he took them into a desert brush country that hadn't burned since 1966. There were other hot shot crews operating that same day that came home alive, and it's because their leaders followed wildlife firefighting rules and didn't stray from them. There's a lot to be learned from this tragedy with wildlife fires, and acting on impulse and straying from safety is extremely dangerous. RIP boys, this should have never happened to you, and hopefully people can learn from this tragedy in the future vs "Top Gunning" away the actual facts of the case.

7 years ago today they were lost. Man, this is tough to watch. You can hear the pain in the Chiefs voice. Godspeed to those 19 heros.

I greet you, I am from Russia, from the distant land of Sakhalin, sorry for the bad English, today after watching the film "only the brave" I learned about the history of these brave guys! my admiration and respect! they truly loved their work and motherland! truly brave heroes!!

@DrMurdercock

Жыл бұрын

It's so sad what happened to them man. Appreciate your comment brother. Cheers from USA.

@isaiah2536

Жыл бұрын

@@DrMurdercock Are you american?

@Mcdouble123

Жыл бұрын

@@isaiah2536 first of all, what does it matter. Second of all, he said so in his comment. Did you even read it?

@isaiah2536

Жыл бұрын

@@Mcdouble123 I’m not even gonna dignify that with an explanation… Unbelievable 🤦🏽‍♂️🤡

@Mcdouble123

Жыл бұрын

@@isaiah2536 ah yes clowning on me but you can’t use common sense👍

Just after seeing the film"only the Brave" omg how horrific, my condolences to the family's... Much respect to each one of you firefighters... 💝 Love from Ireland 🇮🇪

These brave men who risk their lives never get enough recognition and praise. Sad tragedy that drives home the extremely hazardous work they do.

Before I leave this earth I'm gonna take my family to the memorial site as well as the firehouse or headquarters to Pay my Respects and Gratitude. I Hopefully may get to have the honor of meeting some of the families and simply tell them Thank You for the sacrifice, albeit a tragic one. I was a Hot Shot Wildland firefighter in Nevada for 2 years and I personally experienced the power as well as having winds shifts and running for your life with smoke, zero visability and no oxygen. I salute these Heroes and I will do my part to ensure that those men and what they gave will never be forgotten.

@ADyess086

3 ай бұрын

Hiked it today. Very very somber experience

I lived in Prescott, AZ back then. I remember those fires and that horrific day and days to follow. A 19 hearse procession is a sight I'll never forget. Just like we should NEVER forget those wonderful men! Had the honor of meeting Jesse Steed who was a friend of my brother who, in 2009, was seriously considering joining the hotshots (never went for it but who knows if he would have passed the training). In any case, if anyone ever gets a chance to visit Yarnell, go to the site where they died. It's now a memorial with crosses where they fell. Eerie and sad as F**K! But it's an important stop, just like the 9/11 memorial = Never forget. Always remember those we all lost. Remember their families. Remember their names.

@isaiah2536

Жыл бұрын

I like to think they died quickly and didn’t have to burn alive. Hopefully they all suffocated and passed out💔

@ntekniklaus3710

11 ай бұрын

fmr. chino valley here, and even after my last visit there's still quite a bit of scarrage from all this within the community.

@ADyess086

3 ай бұрын

Just hiked it today

@aramosmd

3 ай бұрын

@@ADyess086 You keep their memory alive. It's not just a Hollywood movie. Thank you, man! Its people like you that lets their spirit live.

@ADyess086

3 ай бұрын

@@aramosmdmost certainly! #1 spot on the list to visit, personally, all the way from Alabama.

"We don't know what they were thinking at that time"- probably the most crucial statement

@davidsexton5543

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah we do. I can tell you exactly what they were thinking. But I'm pretty sure that the rest of you can figure it out too

My deepest condolences and prayers go out to the brave men that lost there lives that day on the mountain! Knowing my son Christopher is on that same mountain today for two weeks bought tears to my eye! I guess I didn't know how much dedication and guts it took to do a job such as this and I'm very proud of my son and all the men that put there lives on the line to protect and serve in Oregon and other countries as well! Seeing this video for the first time after my son told me where he was going this morning gave me even more respect for fire fights that risk there lives for there brother fire fighters! I know without a shadow of a doubt that my son and the 15 men that are with him will bond and do what needs to be done and keep eachother save while doing so! Chris Merino is my only son and I know God will protect him and all the men that are there on Granite Mountain! Please pray for these brave men today and know there doing what they enjoy doing and that is helping keeping others safe from fires!! Please and thank you! Jimmy Merino! TRUE COLORS

My heart goes out to these brave Heroes and their families and friends. 💔🙏😭

THEY ARE HEROES AND 19 ANGELS

@emilbechmann9862

4 жыл бұрын

Princess of the Cape the captain is Also are hero they all are. they died for the people. RIP 19 heroes and angels

10 years ago today. True hero’s. Love from Scottsdale

My prayers to all of the families members and I know how hard it work I’m a Wildlandfire in Canada 🇨🇦

@douglasvankammen2916

5 ай бұрын

Thank you for what you do Shane

I just finished watching the movie and I am deeply moved. It’s been a long time since I was so emotionally struck by the story. I cannot take this out of my mind. And all I ask myself: was there any way to get them out safely? Highly experienced, well trained. The worse tragedy is the lost of lives which could have been spared. Respect to them and their families.

@lianealbert7728

5 жыл бұрын

Ghaliyah ‘s world what was the movie name?

@daltonevans3412

4 жыл бұрын

@@lianealbert7728 it's called "only the brave" staring josh brolin, miles teller and jennifer connely and jeff bridges. It is an extremely well done movie that is very accurate to the true story of the Granite Mountain hot shots and how they worked and how they died. It's one of the most well done movies i have ever seen and i have literally zero complaints about it. But fair warning, it will break your heart even though you know what happens to them going into it. Even knowing where it ends, the movie will make you get attached to the characters and it's painful when they die. the acting is amazing, truly top quality and the effects and cinematography are top notch. I highly recommend it.

@davidsexton5543

2 жыл бұрын

No, there was no way to get them out of where they shouldn't have been.The list of reasons is complicated, but once they moved into the green from their safety zone, the die was cast

@jamesward5077

2 жыл бұрын

Can't prove it but they was told to do what they did..you listen to the radio traffic..you have them rocking chair quarter backs calling the shot..you do as you're told or it be hell too pay..and they were fairly new agency so they were forced can't tell me any different

Thank you for your professional video and God bless all who keep us safe.

We give a lot of kudos to our military brothers who die in valiant situations, but this is just as if not even more valiant! These guys were some very tough and brave guys...god bless em!!

Thank you for posting

I've gone over all the information relative to this horrific tragedy. Here's where I believe the oversight was made: In the movie, "Only the Brave" the Granite Mountain Hotshots are constantly being drilled on deploying the shelters, physical stamina, as well as knowledge testing with pop quizzes. Knowing they were on top of everything, policy-wise, the burden of responsibility falls on the authors of those training materials. Here's what's missing: How fast does fire travel when the fire danger is extreme (dry conditions) and you have thick brush, and the wind speed is 50mph? The fire travels at 10mph. This will increase to as much as 12-15mph if the fuel is dense enough to, through convection, raise cinders forward with the winds. If the spread is uphill, the flame length can bridge the gap between crown fires, but in the case with the Yarnell fire, it was all windspeed, and embers. The reason the solution to this (as well as the Storm King Colorado tragedy) put it in the training manual/policies tips/tricks is on account of all leaderships failure to adapt to the changing wind speed and direction, and abort the site at that point. If they don't cover it in the pre task planning briefing, and don't even think of the worst case scenario? (the oversight in this case) it needs to be present in the training manuals/policies/procedures. What is the worst case scenario? In this case the worst case scenario would be for the wind, after blowing toward the NE for the past two days, to abruptly change direction and blow toward the SE. Did they The designated safety zone, the ranch, is only viable if the wind speed is under 20mph. Their thinking should have gone something like this: You mentally assimilate the weather report of 50mph winds from the NE, and see the right flank becoming the head, and moving towards you at 10mph, your mind should automatically calculate the ETA of the fire head to reach the ranch. In five minutes a fire spreading at a rate of 10mph will travel 4,400 feet. Knowing you have 5,280 feet in a mile, to place the safety zone at a point where the fire's ETA will be in 5 - 6 minutes???? See the problem? The oversight? The last photograph taken by the Granite Mountain Hotshots was when they were looking at the flames building as the front changed direction to the SE. This point begins the clock, it begins the timer where at 10 miles per hour, the flames would reach the ranch in under seven minutes. That ranch was a horrible safety zone. I don't say this in a hind sight is 2020 sort of way. To NOT think of the risk involved in making the ranch the safety zone under 50mph winds to the SE is extremely odd. If you don't plan for the worst case scenario, you won't have time to calculate these details when you only have 7 minutes for the fire to over-run that safety spot. As soon as you learn that the wind is changing, and that it is at 50mph, the fire crew should be removed EMEDIATELY. No safety zone, you get out. Moving toward the SE, over the ridge and down, why was this not discussed as a worst case scenario safety zone?

@elainemarten2147

3 жыл бұрын

you sound like an authority with real knowledge and training. You have also failed to consider something else. I have been in an evacuation situation in the worst natural disaster in Canada, and had to drive through highways that had flames right up to the road, I have seen and had to deal with 100ft flames and felt some of what they must have felt. That wind can change so fast and that changes the fire completely, so its not like you can count on the wind staying the same for any length of time. Also in the movie, the boss told their look out to keep him updated on the fire, how it was changing and travelling, as well as the wind, so they were quite aware of the wind. I can guarantee that unless you have had to personally deal with out of control wild fires and you are literally running for your life, you don't have a clue

@TimKaseyMythHealer

3 жыл бұрын

@@elainemarten2147 I make comments that get results, you don't, that's the difference.

@TimKaseyMythHealer

3 жыл бұрын

@@elainemarten2147 What was the date and time of your experience. What was the GPS location. You can't apply your isolated case to this Yarnell tragedy. I have experience writing safety orientation documentation, and I know that if you want to save lives, you begin with what you communicate to the employees. If you just throw up your hands and say it can't change, you are right, you won't make the necessary training amendments that will save lives. If you give me the Date/Time/GPS location of where you had your experience I assure you, I will have an explanation for you. I will know where things went wrong, and if it even can be applied to the Yarnell tragedy.

@BloodSoilandSoul

2 жыл бұрын

@@TimKaseyMythHealer arm chair quarterbacking sure is easy. Let the real heroes handle the problems, I'm sure your recliner would miss you terribly if you took these risks with them.

@TimKaseyMythHealer

2 жыл бұрын

@@BloodSoilandSoul I've already invented safety devices and contacted the interagency fire Bureau and gave them all of my technical information so that they could start manufacturing devices that save lives.

10 and 18 safety rules violated resulting in tragic loss of 19 firefighters. Should have never happened.

Those poor souls, must have been horrified, holding down on their flimsy shelters, before they were overwhelmed by heat, smoke, and fire.

Thank you for this, sir. Also, thank you for doing what I think is the best job in the world. Wildland Firefighting

Hard to believe that was 10 years ago!

Such a sad and tragic fire. Sending love and prayers to all there families.💔❤😭😭

The movie glorified a huge deadly mistake. This incident will be taught to every new Wildland Firfighter for eternity! No lookout, did not know what the fire was doing. Tragic!

@mrdark9916

9 ай бұрын

In real life they had a lookout lol the 1 lone survivor of the group.

@beccaboard

Ай бұрын

@@mrdark9916 no, by this time, towards the basin, McDonough had left the knoll when the fire first hit his trigger point.

I like to think these brave men died quickly via suffocation rather than being burned alive… RIP Boys 💔

@beccaboard

Ай бұрын

me too.

I got put into a spot like Brendan's. I watched my crew in glacier national park go up. We made it out out I do know how it feels having to run.. and running hoping your gonna see your friends and crew takes care of your own safety cause you do just worry about your friends

Hallowed Ground... God Bless those men and their families.

May God give them eternal peace, True heroes!

Will someone tell me who Bob Johnson is and why people are talking crap about him?

This supervisor was sooo sketchy in this post I have to wonder what he was trying to cover up??

I am a fire fighter from upstate ny.i watched the movie.so sad.id give anything to ba able to go there on that spot to pay my respects to those poor brave brothers.

@scottfrench3354

3 жыл бұрын

Hey gray wolf. If you ever want to make it out here. I live in Tucson I would be happy to pick you up from the airport and we can head to Yarnell. I haven’t been there yet myself but I’m planning on it. The location is about 3 hours or so from my house.

I'm glad they stayed with them that night and took them out in personal vehicles. Recent research indicates there is still consciousness after respiration and heart stop and it may last for hours. At the Vegas massacre Oct 2017, a young woman stayed with a young male victim she did not know even though the shooting was still happening so he would not be alone and there would be someone to make sure responders knew his name and was able to talk to his family, so they would have the comfort of knowing he wasn't alone.

The brave and courageous firefighters and other first responders are heroes in my book, always and forever!

Is it normal that they were silent over the radio concerning their intentions? Not even a last call for help? I read somewhere that another group attempted to get to them but couldn't. What alerted them to the need for rescue? Can only hope their loss provides information and precautions that will save lives in the future. Amazing men.

@likemike9104

Жыл бұрын

i might not be 100% accurate but there were a lot of communication mishaps on Eric Holder, He told the people over the radio that they were heading to the black site and then didn’t go to the black site, therefore, when everything hit the fan no one knew where they were at. Eric holder is still a hero not trying to tarnish his name

@likemike9104

Жыл бұрын

eric marsh* not holder apologies

Prayers to the families. Wondering if the manufacturer of the shelters has changed the design at all?

God bless there memories. They were great men.

R.I.P Boys!

I know zip about fires but looking at this video, why would they not head to that hill with all those boulders? Because the shelters would be undeployable? Because the fire would still have flames easily reach them or it simply would have become too hot? Sorry stupid question but want to know. Thanks.

@shonkortness9295

6 жыл бұрын

I'm a FireFighter for 22 years now.I have my wild land firefighter card.The heat alone on the rocks was very very hot..You could not survive on them.The fire moved to both sides of them.It come up behind them with no warning..The shelters are made to keep in safe in emergencies. They are not made to have flame direct contact for long periods of time..Because the fuel that they deployed the tents in was deep thick tall grass,it caused to much direct flame contact which burned the tents..The heat alone would have killed them without direct flame contact.

@ticktock5019

6 жыл бұрын

schlooonginator you just don't have the time to be choosy in that situation. That monster is literally rocking hundreds of feet ahead before even finishing engulfing the fuel it's on top of. I'm positive by the time they realized the position they were in, they only had several minutes to deploy. When a fire is moving that fast, you'll see it several miles away and literally minutes later , it's on top of you. It's an incredible thing these heroes do for all of our dumb n non deserving asses, the Wildlife, and the wildlands.

GOD BLESS THEIR FAMILIES 🙏🙏

Amazing Hero's that will never be forgotten-God Bless their Souls

Shame on you Jim! I am proud to say that I AM A WILDLAND FIREFIGHTER! RIP to the 19 BROTHERS that died doing what they love, you are HEROES! We lost one of our brothers on the chief mountain hotshots 5 years ago, we lost him on the fire line in Arizona but he will never be forgotten in my heart, and so will these 19 fine men and the brothers and sisters before us, safety will always be the number one factor in any wildland fire. "SO THAT EVERYONE GOES HOME"

@DJKATJAAPRADIO

6 жыл бұрын

TwoGuns1891 Iam a RN NEVER MET A HOT SHOT YOU GUYS TO ME ARE HEROES

@raymondfrye5017

5 жыл бұрын

What is it about Arizona vegetation that makes it so fire prone?

Ive read the official after actions report and some of this is not true.

Fire is no Joke, God Bless ALL and THEIR FAMILIES WHO SERVE THE FIRE DEPT

The helicopter was going to try to locate the men but poor visibility combined with very fast moving fire I don't see how that wouldve helped. Communication everyone agrees hindered situation. Dangerous jobs that's essential. Was it just this fire or is this more common than we know?

@davidsexton5543

2 жыл бұрын

That would depend on which "this" you're asking about. If you mean the comms problem, it is not uncommon.Most of the radios are line of sight or through a repeater, if one has coverage. Both are subject to inaccessibility due to terrain blocking the signals & system overload. If you mean the entrapment, it is uncommon. Most crews don't ignore the standard firefighting orders & "Watch Out" situations like this crew did. Be it poor training (likely) or a series of poor decisions made by the crew leader even after being properly trained (if they were) or both (most likely) the outcome was predictable.

Bob Johnson, do me a favor. Move out of any municipality you may be in, just so firefighters aren't dispatched to your house (and you don't have to pay city taxes for their wage) then, when a fire district offers fire protection, decline it. THEN, when something to you or your family happens, don't call 911. Put the fire out by yourself, transport yourself or your loved ones to the hospital, resuscitate yourself or your family when they're in cardiac arrest, give yourself morphine when you've badly injured yourself and the pain in unbearable, extricate yourself out of a mangled car after a wreck. Then, and only then, would you be able to argue that firefighters aren't heros.

@controllyourself8144

6 жыл бұрын

Cody Taylor deleted his comment.

@jamalnasir5648

6 жыл бұрын

Sounds like you may have been arguing against a libertarian

@2282001jay

6 жыл бұрын

Cody Taylor, I agree 100%.

@DJKATJAAPRADIO

6 жыл бұрын

Cody Taylor you tell him

@DJKATJAAPRADIO

6 жыл бұрын

Joseph Romero yes

07:35 These brave heroes, for an hour and a half...😭😭😭 my God I pray you held the hand of everyone of them.

jesus Christ every local and national news station had a mic on this guy

Thanks for the upload. I wanted to get understanding about what happen and now I do. So sad but brave and talented young men they were.

@storyofcory

6 жыл бұрын

I realize you posted this four years ago, but if you haven't by now, you should read Brendan McDonough's book. I learned A LOT.

Brave souls right here. True heros!

Knowing they died the most horrific death imaginable while putting their faith in the shelters that melted around them.. is Gut wrenching, the fear in those last moments and how close they really were to safety, I've never heard of anything so tragic 😢

Peace Brothers from NC.

Here is a strange thought has anyone done any EPV's there?

Imagine the pain

was this the guy on the radio telling Eric marsh to stop hollering in the radio? his voice sounds so fimilar

@MsMissaLynn

4 жыл бұрын

I'm thinking the same thing

@ashleyjackson4012

4 жыл бұрын

No he's one of the founding fathers of the granite mountain hotshots

First I would like to say my deepest condolences to the families of these brave men. They work in an environment that most mere mortals could not even comprehend. I couldn't. Be proud of them they are heros in every sense of the word. They have my upmost respect. I have a question though that perhaps a professional firefighter can enlighten me on. All the videos I see on this subject I hear talk of two way radio transmissions.....most of it with confusion. Communication breakdown. I can't help but think perhaps it was a contributing factor to the outcome. Why do these men ( and maybe they do) not have some type of personal EPIRB on them that is constantly transmitting their exact location via Lat and Long ??? This device could also have some sort of button on it that would immediately send out a mayday when they knew their situation was dire. No confirmation needed. This mayday would go directly to an airplane so it could drop the rain right on top of them. Now maybe in this particular situation it wouldn't have helped maybe the fire was just to big I don't know but I hear no mention of any radio beacon. For gods sakes I can buy a SPOT at the local store. Perhaps someone can enlighten me.

@TheWirdbird

7 жыл бұрын

Good idea, Bob. I was in San Diego, CA during the huge fire of 2003. It was mass confusion with the highways clogged with cars. I was in a truck with horse trailer going up to Scripps Poway to help evacuate horses. Not much information on the radio. There are a lot of hills all over that area and no one radio station will not carry throughout the entire area. Mostly static on the radio. I got most of my information from people calling me on the cell and telling me what was going on in the area I was going to. In the end, San Diego County said that a big part of the problem there with the fire getting out of control was the communication system was woefully in adequate. So, you are right, communication systems break down just when most needed. You have a great idea, though. As much money as local governments spend on various services, one would think, particularly in San Diego area, that the best communication systems would be the priority. Sadly, it is not.

@alanpectol902

5 жыл бұрын

Ya you what's better than a spot system ? I am not sure if you family with radio communication during a fire but if you get on your radio and say your name or call sign and say emergency net. They clear the entire radio channel and focus all resources that can help you. That means if your about to be burnt over the sent in planes and helis like they did. Plus they are pros. They know their lat and long by heart

@jerrymeeks8257

5 жыл бұрын

I thought the same thing.

@kingcrowns8801

4 жыл бұрын

There was radio communication problems. Ill paste the article. Arizona's Forestry Division conducted a three-month investigation that found no negligence in the response to the tragedy, citing that an air tanker carrying flame retardant was directly above the firefighters as they died. The only thing of concern that they discovered were issues with radio communications due to heavy radio traffic and radios that weren't programmed with proper tone guards. The result was radio transmissions that were at times broken and filled with static. Less than three months later on December 4, 2013, the Industrial Commission of Arizona blamed the Forestry Division for the deaths based on an investigation carried out by Arizona's Division of Occupational Safety and Health. The commission argued that the firefighters should have been pulled out earlier, especially given the approaching thunderstorm, citing that state fire officials put property above the safety of the firemen. "The storm was anticipated, it was forecasted, everybody knew it," said Marshall Krotenberg, lead investigator for ADOSH. "But there was no plan to move people out of the way." The commission also cited the investigation's findings that key fire officials were either not present or not replaced after abandoning their posts. A $559,000 fine was imposed. -FoxNews.com

@davidsexton5543

2 жыл бұрын

Several good questions there. Re: air tankers; they had been requested 50 minutes earlier but they specifically requested "heavies", of which there were none available. The request wasn't an "any available" so it wasn't filled. The request wasn't filled by lighter aircraft instead. And with only a 50 minute period between the request & the burn over, they might not have been able to sortie a DC-10-30 in time to be effective even if one was sitting on the ready ramp. And yes, properly applied drops from other tankers (S-2, P-2 Neptunes, P-3 Orion's, DC-7s), could have made the difference. They would have been entrapped but it would have bought them more than the 2 minutes that they had to try to make a safety zone & deploy their shelters. That was a "no win" in 10' Chaparral. Anybody who says otherwise about the effectiveness of air tankers in this situation is either woefully misinformed or has not watched those Kamakazi tanker pilots work. I've been painted pink a time or 2. Although it is unpleasant, so is the alternative. Re: locaters/GPS, it would have made no difference once the lead up to the entrapment began. It would have just made it easier to find the bodies, maybe. They put themselves someplace that they had no business being, in the green on a fire already behaving erratically due to monsoonal weather. This is not to detract from their heroism. But there are some things that you just---DON'T---do, that being one of them. You have to follow your training. The sad thing about this is that the fire service, in general, is a brotherhood with a siege mentality that tends to refuse to acknowledge their screw-ups public ally. That was & still is the case here. I've seen a coworker lauded as a hero after he killed his entire crew due to a poor decision that he made. He was deemed a "hero" because her got burned up too but he survived (here's looking at you, Ron).

These HEROES tried to move from the black to their Safety Ranch and Got caught by the racing flame front.1) A new Watchout should be created to ALWAYS keep Eyes on the Fire and Stay on the Ridge if at all Possible instead of losing Sight of the fire in Canyons or draws. 2)Also they should be equipped with real shelters stainless sheets with aluminum cloth keeping them together and Sheep wool insulation inside. 3)NEXT they should have O2 canisters to breath. The Fire stole their oxygen. 4)NEXT they should have a couple of Steel cable kites to locate themselves to aircraft. 5)NEXT Hotshots should have access to aircraft channel and aircraft should have to monitor it and air channels. This is NOT a Climate change issue it IS a 50 Year Buildup of Unburnt Fuel Issue. ALSO 4X4"s and GPS Locators could be used to Reduce Crew Sizes and Cut Lines Quicker with 4X4's.

I am Canadian. I have watched this incredible movie many times over. My heart breaks every time I watch it. May the Lord keep these 19 heros close. These men are definitely angels watching over threir families now. Hopefully, their families can feel the peace at which these incredible men are now fèeling. Praying all families of these fallen heros are able o move forward and live happy, peaceful lives until they meet again.❤❤

I would love to see Bob Johnson man up and do this job instead of being the coward that he is hiding behind his keyboard.

@DonB.-Mulefivefive

5 жыл бұрын

Why let one person rattle you. Semper Deinceps

@DonB.-Mulefivefive

5 жыл бұрын

@Sabrefire916 try reading through the thread first.

They were the first to form OUTSIDE of the feds? Is that correct?

@mitchc4897

5 жыл бұрын

No, They were the first municipality (City) to form a hotshot crew,

Is this the man (Darrel) who was portrayed by Jeff Bridges in the movie? That was the only character that i didnt really understand who he was in the movie?

@unropednope4644

4 жыл бұрын

No Jeff bridges character Is based on a real guy named duane steinbrink who was the hotshots first wildland division chief.

@Arizona_Desert_Walker

3 жыл бұрын

@@unropednope4644 which Duane's kid has not yet shared his account public on YHF- we all await patiently. Some day we hope.

Eric Marsh was the only man who could have saved that team. He made a bad call. He's still a hero and so are all of them, but Papa was the Old Man and he was the one who chose to move out of the black because he was upset that Yarnell was burning and his crew wasn't there to stop it. Yarnell would have burnt anyway and the civilians were all gone, there was nobody to protect. Those 19 deaths didn't need to happen. Sympathy for the dead sometimes requires that you point your finger at a dead man.

@kevinmcneil6620

7 жыл бұрын

He was the one in charge.....no way to know, but you have to assume it was his fault. If so, he paid with his life as well.

@zaclabarbera7544

6 жыл бұрын

Did you even watch the video? He made a decision based on the fire behavior at that moment but then then the fire behavior changed. Winds changed and pushed the fire towards where Marsh decided to move the crew. I'd advise reading the book as well by Brendan McDonough

@Heart723NTDV

6 жыл бұрын

I agree, he knows NOTHING about the Granite Mountain Hotshots, or Marsh.

@SamLeeSmith

6 жыл бұрын

Communication was not working well that day. Not to blame anyone but hopefully the system has been improved since then ( due to their ultimate sacrifice.) Also, if you are human, you are going to make mistakes. Brave men for sure.

@MrABolt

6 жыл бұрын

Zach Zach exactly , you can ONLY speculate. Your 4 seasons is amazing but let’s remember Eric Marsh would have considered you still a rookie and your speculating verifies that as well. As a fellow wildland fire fighter, I would like to see some more commodity within you regarding these amazing Hotshots bc I guarantee their life and death has benefited you and your crew in some way. Sometimes it takes an outside to open another’s eyes to the idioms they are spewing. These men aren’t here to explain WHAT happened but we know THEY WERE prepared (deployments activated) and like this man said, “God had a different plan for these men that day.” I hope you grow to respect these men and the situation better so you may be able to enjoy that brotherhood with your team bc it’s evident they are vital. These men were all brothers and family sticks together and most def never bad mouths the deceased- ESPECIALLY with assumptions. You’ve painted quite an ugly picture in a place that is to be for the honor and respect of men whom do what you claim to do and naturally I would expect at least some sensitivity.

Why did they leave the black

I am a 3rd generation wildland firefighter, my father and his father before him are, my brother is with the chief mountain hotshots. I am a FF1 and engine boss. We leave home knowing we might not come back home to our families, my wife, my kids, and I am with the people I work with out there everyday and believe me we don't give hugs out there everyday but we are brothers in every sense of the word BROTHERS!

@DJKATJAAPRADIO

6 жыл бұрын

TwoGuns1891 well I hope you do come home

Did they die from the heat or did they suffocate?

@mrrecluse7286

5 жыл бұрын

msk64 heat

@commiehunter733

Жыл бұрын

Heat

Each year, on June 30, an ache in my heart. I did not know any of the Granite Mtn crew as my times in service were long before them. But I did "know" them. As low as Bob Johnson can be, he was correct in that it is never all love and peace amongst crews, yet in dire times, they DO act as brothers and they DO care for each other and they WILL lay down their lives for one another. As for the rest of his comments, he should be made to work a crew for a season. a HOT season.. ANd he should pray we never meet. We will never forget this day - RDA, BLM/USFS-1976 to 1989.

God Bless Em !

Could these guys carry personal GPS transmitters that always show their exact location in real time? Like a lojack for a person. If they're location was known maybe air support could of dropped water on them. Let's say the answer is no because fire conditions prevent GPS signal from getting to the satellite. Then we could make a launcher to get above the smoke. If a launcher wont get high enough then a rocket would. It could be set to transmit the ground coordinates only so even if it drifted away from theyre location it would be transmitting the location it was launched from.

Good boys, rip. Learn, overcome, repeat.

I know this is an older upload, but I just recently saw Only The Brave and I became fascinated by this amazing and tragic story (if you haven't seen it, you should). I wondered time and again what they were doing in that valley, and why weren't they in the black after they pulled their lookout? This is the only video I've seen where someone with knowledge and expertise explains what might have happened and why. This makes sense. I still wonder if there was anything else they could have done, in hindsight, once they saw the front closing on them. So two questions: One: How far were they from the black? and Two: If they dumped everything but their clothes, how fast could they have made it to the black? I know it doesn't change anything, they did what they did and they're heroes. I'm just curious if there was another way.

@mangosmoothie7083

Жыл бұрын

I read a report that said the fire was moving 12-15 miles per hour. 2000 degree inferno. These poor guys 😢

Good Video! When in the area.... Check out the Emporium!

Just so sad.. Brave men

So sad. Wild fire fighters are all heroes. It's a tough job done by good men and women. God bless you all.

No one knows what was on their minds. We all know that some rules were broke but why We will never know! It does sound like to me with 20 plus years in wild land fire service, that the fire spotted over them cutting off the route they were taking to the farm house! The other thing that We all know is that the truth needs to come out and be used as a "Lesson Learned". God Bless these 19 individuals!

@erichhartmann1

6 жыл бұрын

Danny King “rules were broke” and “lesson learned”? Please do tell me what rules were broken in this situation and how this is at all to be a lesson learned.

@slopcrusher3482

5 жыл бұрын

Erich Hartmann they left the black, and the lesson learned was that your supposed to work from the black when there’s a fire coming on that quickly

Well said

His extreme care in picking words - does that reflect guilt and remorse? God´s plans... or other plans...A sacrifice to accomplish what...

It all comes down to Eric Marsh and Jesse Steed, but mostly Eric Marsh. Marsh made a serious mistake by descending into that canyon in those conditions. But you have to look at the training Marsh received, and the management of those above him on that day. There should have been multiple fail-safes in place that day to make sure this did not happen. Those fail-safes did not exist. Eric Marsh and 18 others died because Marsh made a mistake, but they also died because Marsh was not properly trained and managed on that day.

@victorlabouche6471

5 жыл бұрын

THANK YOU. The man violated LCES rules of wildfire fighting. All the "Top Gunning" and Hollywood films can't change the basic facts of this case: Lookouts? - He had none. Brandon McDonough had to leave due to impending danger and Marsh had no lookout or view on the fire whatsoever when they desended into the canyon. Communication? - Hardly any. Nobody knew he descended into the 'red zone' IE a box canyon that hadn't burned since the 60's and was a tinderbox waiting to go up. His last communication was "we're picking through the black" - which was un-true. Escape Route - how about desert brush?! There was no escape route whatsoever, and when he said it was cut-off, there was no fire line, or concrete road in sight. They were surrounded by boulders and desert brush, end of story. The above rules are part of wildfire-fighting for a reason, Marsh in-advertently broke these rules and this tragedy was 100% preventable. This case is a harsh reminder of why those rules are in place.

@somersfamily

5 жыл бұрын

oh did you know him? You know what kind of training a complete stranger had lol. tool

@victorlabouche6471

5 жыл бұрын

@@somersfamily He died along with a large group of very young people (under his watch) - so I think from a distance it's 100% logical to cast a very large judgemental and critical eye upon his "training" or lackthereof. His training and his work record is also in the public record, so it's not a big mystery here other then trying to qualify why a seemingly smart young guy would take a large group of men off a hill to their deaths (including his own).

@somersfamily

5 жыл бұрын

@@victorlabouche6471 hey bud you took the whole time to type up old news LOL everybody knows the story. My only comment is to people like you and the other tools that want to talk about dead firefighters or Dead Cops like you guys were there. You're only going off of a few things, none of the surviving people or Alive besides Brandon. You don't know what they were thinking you don't know what they were doing you don't know why they did it. I was simply stating that I love the people that talk s*** when they weren't there! Are you going to talk s*** about the first Apollo launches to that went wrong? you only here what the media wants you to hear, I'm not saying they were perfect on the decisions they made, I am simply stating that keyboard warriors will always find a way.... have a nice day

@victorlabouche6471

5 жыл бұрын

@@somersfamily Not your "bud" there pal. :) Sad people like you call people "tools" for questioning the obvious missteps in a case like this. The bigger problem is you fail to bring a sliver of intelligence to the conversation. Keep eating Cheetos on your couch, and posting garbage comments with a bunch of irrational side-deflections. (Apollo? Cops?) Keep having a weird fantasy there bro, maybe save the comments unless you can find something intelligent to add. "Keyboard warrior" - that's if someone is hurling insults in an attempt to take someone down. That doesn't apply here.

Are they ok?!?

@JDBajaBlast

9 ай бұрын

All but one died

Real brothers,Real men,Real heroes.🕊

I can’t imagine hero’s and brothers

There is just one thing I don't understand: They would have survived had the air support known where they were, correct? How is it possible that these guys don't have GPS or flares as standard gear, so once they got into trouble, they could have just transmitted their exact coordinates--and if that failed for some reason, to pop flares so the plane could see their location? WTF?? What am I missing?

@drifting202020

6 жыл бұрын

Otto, thank you for the excellently-stated reply. As you describe the conditions, that makes complete sense, and I can see that the emergency measures I was suggesting probably would not do any good at all. I don't know nearly as much as you or others here, but from what I've seen and read of this event, it really does look like it was the result of a bad decision of a man acting on his own pride or ambition. It just makes me angry because that would be an absolutely horrible way to die, and it most likely could have been avoided if they just used a little more caution. I do understand, however, that the weather/geographic conditions that were in play also made it a nightmare scenario and much more difficult to contend with. Just a damn shame.

@fredschoeffler8047

5 жыл бұрын

They would have survived if only they would have followed the basic Wildland FF Rules - just like everyone else that day. Willis purposely, incorrectly, and erroneously stated that the brush in the bowl was ten feet high. Not true. If any WF or FF has to count on air support to be "saved" then they are already way too deep in trouble. The same goes for deploying your fire shelters. WTF is right, you are missing the FACT that the WF Rules work every time use them properly. Go to this site ( www.yarnellhillfirerevelations.com ) And go to the Wildland Fire Lessons Learned Ceneter Incident Reviews section and try and find even one fire where they followed all the WF Rules and were entrapped or died

@drifting202020

5 жыл бұрын

Fred Schoeffler thanks so much for your response here. I can see more clearly what should have happened that day, after you explaining from a place of experience. Really so sad it went down that way. RIP

@DonB.-Mulefivefive

5 жыл бұрын

​@@fredschoeffler8047It's always easy for people like you to condemn the dead , isn't it?

@reignking1

4 жыл бұрын

@@DonB.-Mulefivefive Don, Fred was a Sup for Payson Hotshots for 26 years...no deaths on his watch. This is not about condemning anyone, it's about learning from a horrible situation so this doesn't happen again. 10-18 LCES RIP GMIHSC

Hero’s in my book

That whispering is fucking terrifying.

Will we ever know

@sonnygilly2567

5 жыл бұрын

www.yarnellhillfirerevelations.com/blog is a great spot to learn-

If they were under their shelter’s what killed them? Did they burn to death?

@DJKATJAAPRADIO

5 жыл бұрын

YES BUT THE WEATHER HAD A LOT TO DO WITH THEIR DEATH

@corettaha7855

5 жыл бұрын

CFC shelters only do so much, and with the wind and fire on all sides the flames can lay down, the smoke can be too intense, in one fire shelters were deployed on a scree slope, which is normally a good spot, but wind caused the flames to heat up the rocks and like pizza stones. One firefighter ran and lived and the rest resisted the urge to run as trained and died. Shelters are a good last resort, but once you get entrapped in a burnover a lot has already gone wrong and it’s still very risky.

@slopcrusher3482

5 жыл бұрын

Super heated air would have burned their lungs instantly, killing them

@curiousotter2056

5 жыл бұрын

Coretta Hattereaux no one ran, they all died. The one survivor wasn’t in the situation at all in the first place

@user-gu3ie

5 жыл бұрын

@@curiousotter2056 indeed..dont know what the hell that dude is talking about...

HONOUR

I am thinking when this came in from both sides into this horseshoe canyon, it was like a fire pit and those 19 brave men didnt have a chance in hell to survive.

@sonnygilly2567

5 жыл бұрын

www.yarnellhillfirerevelations.com/blog is a great spot to learn-

@slopcrusher3482

5 жыл бұрын

The fire got to the ranch before they could, and they didn’t have enough time to retreat to the black

Communication is KEY. They made a huge mistake and it was just to late @ the wrong time.

@russellwilliams4317

5 жыл бұрын

Calm down dumb fuck. You have no clue wtf you are talking about, so go have your mommy make you a sammich and go lay down, before you overthink and gain brain damage.

@nala3038

3 жыл бұрын

@@russellwilliams4317 have u ever worked fighting wildland fires? Yeah that’s what I thought bozo!

@davidsexton5543

2 жыл бұрын

Russel, Astoria is correct on both points. You post here is reprehensible. It also is indicative of the fact that you don't know your adze from a hole in the ground. But have a nice day anyhow

Just read the book, "The Fire Line." Going to watch "Only the Brave" this weekend. I have been told Darrell Willis is not portrayed in the movie. Typical Hollywood. But glad these guys are immortalized. July 2020.

What a way to go...

Did they burn to death? I can only imagine the last minutes all under shelters in close proximity and the agony they must of felt. I couldn't Imagine a worst way to go apparently they were all still under the shelters once help arrived. I don't understand how 19 men made safe the area meaning removed all fuel had protective shelters and still died.

@Infidel7153

6 жыл бұрын

The fire consumes all the oxygen.

@KBear143

6 жыл бұрын

The shelters deflect some of the heat for a certain period when the fire is burning a certain way and, as they are basically fancy tinfoil pouches, they begin to separate and flake at 500 degrees. The fire was simply too much for the shelters. If anything, they may have just prolonged the agony. One man’s phone was melded to an identifiable mass of keys or coins that were in his pockets. Some had portions of the shelters melted to clothing. All 19 were severely burned, some on 95% or more of their bodies, and the autopsy reports indicated some horrific thermal damage to their bodies that I will not describe here. It is not hyperbole to say that these 19 men burned alive. It was a horrible end that I can only pray came very quickly. Reports of the behavior of this fire make it sound as though the roughly 60x60 spot they managed to carve in those few minutes was no match for a wall of flame being driven by 60mph winds. It ran them over like a freight train. I can’t even imagine... Wildland firefighters are just incredible human beings, and with so many fires burning even now, it is hard not to think of them out there, risking it all to save as much as they can.

@corettaha7855

5 жыл бұрын

Bradley Taafe Fire moves fast. Maybe they didn’t have time to cut and burn out very far out from their large group. The shelters are not like being in a cinderblock basement or anything. Just helps insulate and deflect some of the heat, but heat above their ratings or exposure to direct flames (say if wind lays flames down like a torch) will destroy them.

@Tarheel13

4 жыл бұрын

Brad Taafe there was burns yes.

@commiehunter733

Жыл бұрын

The heat of the fire rendered the shelter useless... they died of heat exposure

Let it burn.no human life is worth a bunch of trees or buildings all can be replaced but 19 souls are gone from this life forever.

@curiousotter2056

5 жыл бұрын

Infidel7153 fuck

@hfdshrimp3973

5 жыл бұрын

Infidel7153 they actually do bruh shit down to stop the fire from burning down homes and properties people have worked so hard for

@raymondfrye5017

5 жыл бұрын

The towns to be saved burned down anyway.

@nicolasmendoza9270

5 жыл бұрын

@@raymondfrye5017 fr

@nolanmythbuster

4 жыл бұрын

Look at the Paradise fires.... There's videos of the aftermath, people burned in their cars because they didnt evacuate in time. Billions of dollars that could have been used elsewhere. Hundreds of thousands if not millions of animals burned alive during the fires in australia. That being said, I'd love to see what departments learned from this event, they definitely could have better extraction methods :/

Lost communications for 90 minutes?

In the transcript of his official interview for the incident report, sole survivor "Donut" McDonough made two very revealing remarks that should tell you all you need to know about why the Granite Mountain Hotshots left the black that day and ended up in a box canyon with chaparral over their heads. First: when asked about the 10 Basic Wildfire Safety Rules and the 18 "Watchout" Situations, he instantly dismissed them as "hillbilly" and "old" because "we're a lot smarter now [since the rules were written in 1957]". Two, when questioned on whether he thought the team was too aggressive that day, he justified their actions by quoting what he thought was a good institutional attitude for a Hotshot crew: "Risk a lot to save a lot". The ACTUAL quote is "Risk a lot to save a lot; risk a little to save a little; risk nothing to save nothing"; it's a STRUCTURAL firefighting safety maxim and the "saving" it mentions is LIVES. You risk nothing if there's no lives to save, you risk a little if there's a chance somebody might get hurt, and you hold off on the crazy shit until there's civilians in mortal danger. It's meant to encourage safety, not dismiss it, but clearly Eric Marsh wanted these men to treat every wildfire like a chance to show the whole world how rough and tough and brave and bad-ass "his" team was. That's a DISEASED mindset and it was Eric Marsh's fault because he was the one who built that team from the ground up. A Hotshot Crew is not the Army Rangers and a wildland fire is not al-Qaida. Eric Marsh indoctrinated that team to never hesitate, never show doubt and never question his orders; even so, Donut said he saw Crew Boss Jesse Steed arguing with Marsh right before he led them into their deaths like a gung ho 2nd Lieutenant bucking for the Medal of Honor. I wonder how many of his newbie crew wondered at the last minute if their lives were worth a bunch of sticks? Not a single civilian died in Yarnell that day, and nobody would have died at all if Eric Marsh had just followed the same rules they teach every kid on the first day of fire academy. What a terrible waste.

@Gj23jk2

7 жыл бұрын

Part of the problem is the job demands of a Hotshot crew vs. the pay and benefits. Hotshots need to have FAR more strength and endurance than a structural firefighter. Chopping handline 18 hours a day, 6 days a week for three months out of the year is BACKBREAKING (trust me), and not many firefighters can handle it. So qualified candidates tend to be young gung-ho Type A personalities with a lot to prove, the same guys who join the Marines, for example, and the Hotshot teams compete with the military for the same kids. Another problem is that fighting a wildfire is not like fighting a structure fire and it's nothing like combat: there's very little glory and very little direct control over the outcome. This is not the "saving babies from burning buildings" shit that gets you laid when you brag about it at a bar. Either the weather and conditions are good and the fire goes out on its own, or they're not and the "big dog" eats whatever it wants, shits where it wants, and makes a total mockery of your efforts to stop it. Either way, the public doesn't notice or care. Plus they only get good paying work a few times a year, and the rest of the time they either work a regular day job other than firefighting or they roam around clearing brush like glorified landscapers at $13 an hour. Considering that these are young, strong, proud men, this leads to morale and retention problems. The "elite" Granite Mountain team was 25% rookies and 25% 2nd season sophomores at Yarnell. My local volunteer fire dept. has a better veteran to greenhorn ratio than that. A dirty secret of Hotshot crews is that they have tremendous turnover rates and major problems with alcohol/drug abuse, depression, destructive boredom, etc. Most of them know their only chance to compete for a full-time structural firefighting gig (with regular hours and regular pay) is to prove themselves and get noticed by one-upping all their competitors and showing how gung-ho they are, willing to do the nastiest work without complaint even when they're hurt or exhausted or having doubts. In fact, that was Eric Marsh's nickname among the other Superintendents, "One Up". He knew he needed to either motivate the guys to stick around and have pride in their work, or they'd leave. The only way he knew to keep them around was to train them to think they were elite soldiers, proud shock troopers on a glorious crusade against the red stuff, even though 99% of the time there's no lives to be saved and when they're doing their jobs CORRECTLY AND SAFELY, there's nothing to do except chop brush all day. Misplaced pride is a shitty reason to die.

@Africanfrogs

6 жыл бұрын

Sucks to throw blame but I agree 100%. Surprised they stuck together, some of them must have known they were just screwed but listened anyways.

@D45VR

6 жыл бұрын

I don't know as much as you but I always wondered why those brave people were even on those ridges at all.

@jamespm9194

6 жыл бұрын

interesting comments and I have to agree.

@psychosneighbor1509

6 жыл бұрын

Marsh led them to their deaths in this incident. They were not cut off from their safety zone - they left their safety zone. They sat on the already burned out ridge and watched the wind/fire turn 180 degrees and rip back along the valley floor in their direction, eventually burning all the way back up and around their supposed anchor point. To put forth the idea(as Willis does here) that they were going to help the people at the ranch, which may very well have been Marsh's excuse for making the worst decision imaginable, is a complete deflection from the fact that he totally disregarded his training, basic safety directives and his responsibility to his crew and their families. There was nothing they could've done to help the ranchers save those structures(which came through virtually unscathed anyway) beyond dumping their canteens on them. Sheltering in place on the ridge or following the fire out through the black would have got everyone back safely. What a shame...

Did their shelters not work as intended? I'm not being snarky, I'm just not educated in this kind of thing.

@CastilloinaSpeedo

7 жыл бұрын

I just read a comment that said that it was too hot even for the shelters. Is that true?

@ryanfeatherston9674

7 жыл бұрын

urblammo I heard in the AAC that the temperature was about 1200-2000 degrees.

@ticktock5019

6 жыл бұрын

urblammo The Winds, smoke, and the heat alone from the stories high monster that was rolling about 60 plus mph, there was nothing they could have done. Absolutely nothing.

@zaclabarbera7544

6 жыл бұрын

With winds as high as they were, it causes the flames to be a lot higher, move a lot faster and burn a lot hotter. Also, the shelters had not been altered or updated in 10 years at the time.

@captainhellhound7451

6 жыл бұрын

Also they could never set up a prefect burn site and the shelters were meant for radiating heat, not to be hit right on

Effectively immediately the people want our firefighters protected more than a house. We want Rescue Helicopters when there are large fires like this just Incase of an emergency. Airlift the out. Let the Forrest burn not the human beings. Watch the movie and I’m distrusted. So heart broken. My heart goes out to the families and friends of these men.

@3-2bravo49

11 ай бұрын

Never flown in to or above a large fire in a helicopter before have you? Not that easy. Air is much different when everything is on fire. Lift isn't the same etc. Your chopper can drop right in to it.

Those who blame SUP Marsh need to lower their heads in shame. I was a firefighter that worked brushfires, Fire is a despicable beast with a mind of her own. She can turn in a blink of an eye and surround you before you know it. No one knows what happened that day but 19 men. Speculation may be rife, but no one can lay blame on the dead in this situation.

@victorlabouche6471

5 жыл бұрын

As a firefighter, then you know that 'LCES' Wildfire rules are in-place for a reason. Marsh (as good a guy as he probably was) in-advertantly violated 3/4 of LCES rules by taking these guys on a short-cut into a box canyon that hadn't burned since the 60's. It's tragic, yes, but it was also 100% avoidable. Learning lessons from this case can save lives in the future, and 'Top Gunning' away the facts serves nobody.

@follker

5 жыл бұрын

Detailed examination of factual evidence is not disrespectful to the dead, even if it shows mistakes or negligence by the departed. It would be a tragedy to not learn the lessons bought at such a steep price.

@victorlabouche6471

5 жыл бұрын

Actually the effective leadership of the Granite Mountain Hotshots can be blamed friend in a very big way - otherwise the crew would be alive. There were two other Hotshot crews working that day that decided to pull out and they're all alive to this day. Human error and disregard for wildfire safety protocols resulted in 19 deaths. Anyone that wants to sit around and just say "Gee wiz fires are unpredictable!' contribute nothing to ensuring a tragedy like this doesn't happen again. Look at the basic established facts of the case: 1. No lookout on the way off the ridge - the men had no view of the fire until it was too late (avoidable) 2. Walking into a canyon filled with brush that hadn't burned since 1966 (avoidable) 3. Leadership didn't tell anyone where exactly they were going other then "picking through the black" - meanwhile they weren't they were in a RED ZONE. 4. One of the guys texted saying they were going to attempt to "Save a ranch". A major rule of wildfire fighting: You do NOT put insured property above human lives, ever. You cut a Fire Line and you do your best to CONTAIN a fire. You do not risk lives to do the above, period. The rules were broken, this is obvious to everyone except the people Top Gunning instead of looking at the common sense facts of the case. The unfortunate reality is that since Marsh is dead he's not available to give testimony on whether it was HIS decision or if he was given orders to depart the ridge. The rest of the facts above stand as they are: facts. Hollywood and Top Gunning doesn't change that. This tragedy was 100% avoidable.

@victorlabouche6471

5 жыл бұрын

@@follker Thank you, this should be obvious to anyone studying the case.

@thedhive6512

4 жыл бұрын

So you would make the same mistakes and get your team smoked too. Cool I guess

there was no need to go to that ranch it looked safe from it all the video shows. they were safe in the black. hello i believe fire orders an watch outs are not able to see the fire!! Hello lack of comms with others. thunder storm on its way, out flow winds . s390 talks about weather out flow winds.

@davidsexton5543

2 жыл бұрын

Lilly, you're 100% correct

Why’d he spell his name

@mitchc4897

5 жыл бұрын

When being interviewed on TV the stations always ask that you spell your name after you say it and give your title, that way they can caption the video correctly

@chrissagredo7129

5 жыл бұрын

Mitch C makes sense, didn’t see the tv microphones and stuff. Thought it was just a KZread video

Til valhalla brothers... RIP. These men are true heros bred with Warriors blood