I am so proud of you standing your ground and holding Winnebago / GD their feet to the fire. Thank you for do these videos.

I sat at Quartzsite this year watching the GD RVs rolling in for the rally. It was CLEAR they have a suspension problem. There was a rock in the road near where I was camped, and watching them flex, bend, and hearing their frames bang around just going over that one rock showed these campers have issues.

I just don't know what to say other than I'm so sorry this has happened not once but twice. I love that you're addressing things one by one so we can check areas we maybe didn't think to check. Thanks for sharing.

Thanks Greg for keeping us informed. Appreciate you putting in the time, I know its definitely unpleasant for you.

I own a solitude and right now I’m so glad it’s 10 years old because back then they were made right.

Your saga is eye opening and all the folks watching have to be shocked to see the total failure of what was at one time a leader in the RV industry. How they have fallen so far and so fast is amazing. Hope everything works out for you and all the other folks in the same position. Thank You for all your effort!

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot

@CharlesAnsman

Ай бұрын

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@heaven-is-real

27 күн бұрын

got that right

I was about to pull the trigger on a GD Solitude a few months back. Thank God for all you guys on youtube! I had to start my research over and think I have landed on a Jayco Pinnacle. All RV's are crap, but if frames are breaking and walls are separating, that's just ridiculous. People like you will force these companies to get better. We RV'rs thank you!

@matthewmarsh1971

Ай бұрын

My brother bought a jayco eagle last year. Got it home. Fridge broke. Month later. Window leaking bad, dealer 2 hrs away replaced fridge and window. Window still leaked. Back to dealer for new window again. Got it home and 2 weeks later massive roof leak. ENTIRE ROOF AND WOOD replaced.. Lost the entire summer of camping and all this before he camped in it a single time.

@DOO718

Ай бұрын

@matthewmarsh1971 bro.. you're killing my camping dreams. Every single manufacturer out there is garbage. Maybe I should just buy a tent?!! Seriously though, I spent months looking and searching KZread and found the least complaints on a jayco PINNACLE. (at least in the size I want) I dont know what else to do other that bit the bullet and just deal with whatever happens.

@BajaGirl302

29 күн бұрын

Jayco’s are owned by Thor, which is junk! I would never buy a Thor product! Ever! I would not even take one for free! Thor also tracks people! Thor is just not a reputable company! I’m going for a Super C Newmar and will still have it inspected, even new! I would like to tell everyone to ALWAYS get an independent RV Inspection!!! I would even with an end bus! Having said that, there are a few Dealers that are so reputable that they will make sure your RV is right before you leave the lot! And will always provide excellent customer service!!

@DOO718

29 күн бұрын

@@BajaGirl302 You are correct. Thor is garbage. But I have to say, at this point I would rather have a Thor than GD! haha All of these manufactures (inclunding Brinkley) have issues. Its sad everybody knows it, yet nothing changes.

@brianpratt2747

23 күн бұрын

@@DOO718 If it isn't made out of fiberglass (Oliver) I wouldn't buy it. If it has slide-outs, I wouldn't buy it.

You are providing a huge service to the RV community. I'm sorry that you had to get screwed in order to do that. At this point I dont care what Grand Design does (or doesn't do) about it. I will never never never buy A Grand Drsign product. They make junk and they do not care. Goodbye Grand Design.

Totally unbelievable. 2 GD rigs you’ve screwed on. You’re a very strong man … I’d be crying in the corner by now. I have a 2022 Momentum 376THS which is 41 feet long - definitely in well known range for frame failure. I spent $9700 at an independent RV welding shop in hopes of averting the fate so many others are suffering , and am investing another $4000 in a few weeks to upgrade to Roadmaster slipper spring suspension in further hopes of babying this GD product for at least a 10 year life of full time travel. I do love my unique floor plan that other manufacturers simply dont have, but after following you and Pete West and the hundreds/thousands of GD owners that are dealing with catastrophic failures and shortcomings I will absolutely NEVER buy another Grand Design product (which with all the major repairs having to be done to hundreds/thousands of rigs, they could very well be bankrupt and out of business in a year from now anyway).

You share this with Lizamazing. She’s been doing a lot of work and videos on these pos’s. GD knows her well. Best of luck. Cheers

I bow my head in shame that I own a 2022 GD Transcend 260RB Travel Trailer and deal with floor creaking from day one (they wouldn't repair it, they say its due to the where the fresh water tank is located) - had main entry door replaced because it was hung wrong - Front A frame was still in primer and not the nice flat black paint and had to have the dealership remove the rust and repaint it. I left a 2021 Forest River 24RLXL that had slide out issues. Hoped going to GD i wasn't going to experience this and its a Travel Trailer and not Fifth Wheel. We need these vendors to held accountable for there products - great video's and have been watching every since one that you put out. I still think Good will win in the end. Please keep the video's coming along!

I also want to say how sorry to hear you are going through all this. This video and pictures are just unbelievable what has happened. You are a very honest down to earth person and just deserve a descent RV to enjoy.

The landscapers they hired to build those campers will get better, just give them a few more years.

Greg & Kaye, Sorry you are having to go through all this just to be able to enjoy the outdoors and camping lifestyle. May the Lord keep you strong and give you peace as you walk through this situation. We appreciate you bringing this to light.

@MikeyMK-ct7jr

Ай бұрын

We don't have a Reflection 5'er but an Imagine, that happens to be in the shop for a R & P slide issue. Makes me want to drop our skirting to inspect our walls 🤔😳

Thank you. Keep us up to date.

Thank you for sharing.

My brother and his wife tried to go from several years of living and traveling on a sail boat and then a trawler design power boat to a motor home. To make this story shorter , it was a total disaster from day one. As they were leaving the dealers lot ( the largest RV dealer in their state) water started running down the INSIDE of the windscreen . They stopped and walked back to the sales office , they were given every excuse you can imagine . They left it with the dealer and were assured it would be looked into. This was only the first of many serious issues that were not resolved. They sued , went to arbitration and eventually got all their money back.

This is unbelievable, Greg. I’m in shock. Speechless.

Wow! Thank you for standing up for the truth and what is right. You are exactly correct that if they did the right things they may save the company. I know we would never buy their products. Pray for you both to be blessed and there is something awesome for you at the end of all this. We love camping. We have a seasonal site and also travel. Could not imagine not having our trailer for the season as the winters up here in Minnesota can be long. Stay strong 💪

Sorry to hear about this, we were lucky to hear about the issues prior to upgrading to a toy hauler last year, we switched brands and have our fingers crossed.

My advice after 50 years of RVing? If you think you want a new one or buying your first RV.......STOP!!! Put it out of your head. Resist the temptation. These things are absolute junk. The RV industry has to be brought to its knees if this is ever going to change. It is up to us to bring the change needed.

Grand Design is in an absolute MESS!!!!!!!! I pray they do the right thing and fix the mess they created. Unfortunately, at this point it appears they A. Haven't learned from their mistakes, B. Trying to hide behind a bunch bs and lies, C. They don't care about their customers like they say they do.... Grand design will fail, they will go bankrupt and the Gov will finally get involved with some type of quality control after all these RVs and the issues of recent years.

I hit subscribe & like because I’m so interested in what G.D. does. I feel terrible for all your dealing with…2 campers in 2 months is absolutely ridiculous. Happy that you’re standing up to them. Wishing you all the luck and looking forward to future videos. 🙏🏻

So sorry to see all the issues with your “NEW rig. At least 1 saving grace is that you were home. On the road all kind of things run through your mind, hang in there man!

Thank you for getting deep and down and dirty to bring the rv world the truth about the crappy workmanship. I believe it's just not Grand Design that has these issues as we all see in other you tubers videos. I don't hesitate to follow you and to share your videos to my rv family. Thank you and I'm sorry for the problems you're having and very grateful for you and all the time that you put into it. Time that is wasted that could have been used elsewhere.

These videos have made up my mind that I will never own a towable RV. Thank you for sharing your story.

@matthewmarsh1971

29 күн бұрын

Lol. Sitting at my in laws right now. His driveable rv has been 2 hours away at a dealership for an abs light.. for TWO MONTHS

@spanielrage

28 күн бұрын

We bought a 2014 Jayco Whitehawk brand new (10 years old) and I haven't had a whiff of any problems like this, or what I hear from others too. It seems like quality in the industry has gone down a steep hill over the last several years, which is why we are holding on to our trusty Jayco no matter how tempting the latest "technology" looks.

@garyamusic

28 күн бұрын

@@matthewmarsh1971 Matt there are some very reliable older units out there. I'm going to go on record to say that after about 2010 most units are questionable in the quality of materials and workmanship. Bottom line corporations (Berkshire) caused massive changes in the industry. Don't get me wrong, there are few good ones made after 2010, just do your homework. JMO.

@johnstark4723

27 күн бұрын

It's not all towables and not all companies.

Sucks that you have to deal with that! If you buy another look at Northwood Arctic Fox. Built in Oregon. They build their own frame. I've had my trailer 3 years. Only issues have been soap tray cracked, propane cover cracked, recall on changover regulator and they warranty all my issues. The unit is solid.

Sorry to hear that. Following along with your journey and feeling your pain right with you brother.

😢 not fair, my ❤ goes out to you.

I feel your pain. I appreciate you leading the charge to uncover the issues going on in the industry and the failure of decent business practices. I bought a new Keystone 5er in 2022 and after two years I finally have everything fixed (Well I hope anyway). May the touch you are carrying stay bright.

Thanks you for sharing

It goes to show you the QC is out to lunch when you find stuff like that just throw it together and sell it it’s a big problem glad you found it and it didn’t fall apart on the road thanks for sharing

This is really mind blowing and sad. Can't imagine how difficult this is for you and your wife. I think knowledge is power and while this experience is painful you've gained a lot of important knowledge that you are passing on to the rest of the RV community, that takes courage and resilience, so thank you! If you decide to purchase another RV I would strongly encourage you to look at Northwood Manufacturing products. They carry several lines of RV's, they are a small, community based company and we have been very impressed with their products. There are bigger and shinier names in the business, but these guys have been around a LONG time and have a very loyal customer base.

Man, unbelievable what happened to the new camper. So sorry you’re dealing with this issues but love that you’re keeping us up to date on what’s going on. You mentioned frame twist. I’m a mechanical engineer and when I watch the lippert hydraulic system auto level my Momentum I cringe as I watch the camper get twisted during the process. I’m really starting to wonder if the leveling systems are playing a role in frame failures.

Wow just wow….

Your Luck is just like mine....wish you all the best going forward.

Grand design is trash. When they want you to sign NDA's we as consumers should boycott their product and put them out of business.

You would have thought a lot of extra care would have gone into which RV they sent you away with the second time. Wow.

@msgmak1379

29 күн бұрын

I think from what this video shows is that he got a decent deal if he paid $2,500 for the camper.

Happy mother's Day till Ari. Nice to see you guys back up north here. Enjoy the beautiful weather. I think we're done with the snow.

Good luck and stay strong. Hopefully a fair resolution is in store for this.

Hey it's Ervin again. go look at outdoors RVs. From fifth wheels to pull behind they make their own frames. These compers are like tanks they are freaking awesome . Good luck Your soon to be. Your friend Your friend Ervin USMC lol

There is no joy in what you have been through. Hope it gets better, stay safe and healthy.

Look at Brinkley and Redwood. Thank you for sharing w/ us.

Good Stuff! Yeah, at this point, you may be better off just renting a camper or RV when you want to go on vacation. No headaches, no maintenance, no storage, no concerns. Someone once told me if an asset does not increase in value, "Rent IT" if you need it. Never Buy it. Probably some sound advice. I drive old paid for cars, 2001 PT Cruiser with over 100K miles on it for our local driving, but when we want to go on a trip or across the country to visit family, we always RENT a nice new vehicle. Rent is cheap vs owning a depreciating asset. It's sure a hell of a lot cheaper than owning and maintaining and insuring and storing a depreciating asset. And when I get home, I simply hand them the keys and smile all the way to the bank. I believe I have literally saved many thousands of dollars over the years doing this, and I have no regrets. When you consider ALL of the costs associated with owning an RV of any kind, really, unless you live in it full time, I believe it's nothing more than an ego trip and a money pit for most folks that shell out the big bucks for this stuff. Now a days, you can not only rent a nice rig, but you can also rent a driver that will take you wherever you want to go, and of course it's not cheap, but over the long run, it's probably less expensive than all of the costs associated with buying, repairing, storing, insuring and worrying about the RV on a daily basis. It's also pretty cheap to fly wherever you want to go and rent a home or condo pretty much anywhere in the world and you have no worry or expense before or after the trip. Now That's a Vacation! I know someone who is on their second RV. The first one was a 5th wheel they bought new for around 100K or so. It's sitting on a lot somewhere rotting away because they can't sell it. It was used by them for a total of less than 12 months over a period of 6-8 years. A few years ago they purchased a Class A RV, and it's been out camping with them for a total of less than 5 months since they bought it. It's just sitting in the sun rotting away and losing a butt load of value every year. Oh, and yes, they still have the 5th wheel, can't find anyone to buy it. It's sad, but I see this all around the country, people losing tons of money on their RV's and not even using them for a fraction of the time they own them. Anyway, just thought I would share my opinion with you. Something to think about for sure... Keep up the great videos, I hope all works out well for you with Grand Design. I'm truly sorry this has become such a nightmare for you and your wife. Hopefully it will have a happy ending... Oh, and a little suggestions... For your video, it looks much better with all of the text facing the right way. Now you just need to reduce the intro and outro audio volume track during editing by about 50% because it's kind of hard on the speakers/headphones and ears going from intro / outro to the actual vocals in the video which are much quieter. Otherwise everything looks good!

Great video you got rid of another disaster I sold my RV after a year and a half and I had it too many little things should have never been that way for the money you spend they should all build a lot better than what you received good luck to you I hope you get every penny back by the way you got a nice place there Mr Carson

IMHO the more it cost the worse it is. My drive side wall started to separate from the subfloor. I discovered that there is not even one screw used to attach the sidewall to the interior walls. There is only fastening at the roof trusses and the floor. Not even the frame in any way. My unit is 14 years old. So I set about bringing the walls back into contact and properly fastening the inner and outer walls with thickened epoxy and lag type screws. My frame was fixed after 18 months with 2000 pounds of steel in a qualified weld shop.

Brinkley brother... makes me upset what is out there. U take care. Thx for the content.

So, Grand Design has become the Old Jayco. Gotcha.

Power to you brother. This winter we lost a 10 year old trav.trailer to a roof collapse in storage (snow wi) . Loved the unit, can't find anything remotely close to quality we're used to. I feel in the long run the rv industry will be better off after all these eye opening issues. Good luck to you.

This is absolutely crazy. I think it's very safe to say that every 2024 model just like yours was built the same and is going to have the same problem. This is not a coincidence. You didn't just get unlucky twice. These things are rolling junk and they are charging a hundred grand for them. Just sad. Hang in there buddy and fight the good fight. Chris and Kathy from Michigan.

Congratulations to you on pursuing the truth. It’s unbelievable that you went thru 2 catastrophic failures. Please keep us informed on the response from this undesirable manufacturer.

We bought an early 2021 imagine Grand Design in mid 2020. It's just a 22 foot couples trailer. Which means it was built just before the pandemic. We have had zero problems with it and have only had to replace a water pump and thermostat. We never felt the need for anything bigger. After all camping is enjoying the outdoors right! Last year we traveled,this year we're in a seasonal site for 5.5 months. Tiny living at its finest. I hope they do a buy back and you find yourself looking at other companies for your next home on wheels.

Greg, thank for all that you are doing and going through. I hope you can change the industry. If any Manufactures are watching this it has to concern them. Lawyers might be licking their chops! Either way its wrong to put product out like this. Consumers spending hard earn dollars on crap, disguised as quality. I just really find it hard to belive these corporate wigs stockholders would tolerate it. I could go on. I know there are some good quality RV Builders out there. Thanks again! I will stay tuned.

With as many people having issues as they are, this is definitely smelling like a design issue as well, and not just bad quality control.

I’m fixing to retire and purchase an Rv thank you so much for posting this video Happily Ever Hanks also on KZread have a Grand Design that had issues with the water tank strap and broken leaf spring. I had a 1962 Shasta 12ft camper I camped out of in southeast Texas the camper was older than me finally the structure was separating from frame after over 50 years I believe the Rv industry needs a huge wake up call and have to be under building inspections just like a house being built it needs regulation’s or else the consumer who finances almost a significant amount of their savings into something that’s not regulated or subject to inspection when being built. Talk to your legislators and push for a bill on regulations because they too have lobbyists stopping this . And guess who gets a free Rv the politicians.

Thank you thank you for posting this video! About 3 days ago I almost purchased a grand design travel trailer and I did not but I'm so thankful to watch this video so I won't go back and make that mistake. No grand design for me . I'm so sorry this happened to you😢

@jerrygundrum1

29 күн бұрын

I am a happy GD owner. keep in mind all these issues are with the huge 5th wheel toy haulers not the standard trailers

There are some MAJOR quality issues on the production line---understatement. Grand Design needs to develop or refine policies/procedures/instructions (with the assistance of people in that industry that are NOT connected to GD. Inspections are either shoddy or non-existant but in either case unacceptable. Retraining or removing existing employees needs to be addressed. Once those procedures are developed they need to be agreed to by management and employees and they must be held accountable for mistakes. Metrics on existing procedures need to be taken and corrective actions where necessary. Shut the factory down for a solid 1 or 2 weeks. Yes I know PROFIT, but what happens as these issues continue to happen and/or the frame breaks while on the road 55-60 mph. Death, MASSIVE lawsuits, etc. Get a hold on it Grand Design. I was in the aerospace industry for 35 years and there were times we implemented the very steps I outlined above, so I know what I'm talking about.

Good stuff. 🤭oh I mean ur fight. Thanks. ✌️😉

I know this is a while back, the 80-90s. My father built Mach I and Envision Boats, he also owned the company. If we ever had issues with a 32 foot 29 or 27 foot boat my dad would send me out and either repair it or bring it back to the shop. It was a different time, the employees took pride in our boats and it showed. Of course we had issues at times with different options on the boat but by God we fixed it. Man I'm sorry you have to go through this bullshit, as I said our employees had 10 or 15 years experience and it showed. Good luck buddy.

Wow, that’s unbelievable. Thanks for not being a sheep and standing up and doing the right thing I see your future a Brinkley, you could be the ambassador. They build a much better product.

Tents are looking better all the time.

Definitely need to purchase a Brinkley!!!

Gives a whole new meaning , (know before you tow)👍

I have a feeling that driver from Grand Design is going to be busy taking back Grand Design RVs

Bought a 23’ keystone cougar sport.. surprisingly it’s been solid. Good build quality and no issues.. it’s on the lower end of fifth wheels price wise but I’ve been pleasantly surprised.. hope it continues to work well..

wow I'm really heart broken for you and your family. I hope Grand design does the right thing and you move on to a new and better rv company

I’m flabbergasted that you bought another Grand Design!

I’ve owned three towable rv’s since 2015. I’m in the process of selling a 2022 jayco travel trailer I purchased new. I haven’t had those kind of problems with any of the ones I’ve owned and they were all Jaycos. But I have to tell you when the current one is sold I’ll never, ever, ever buy another rv. They just aren’t worth the money anymore and they are way overpriced. Going forward when we want to travel domestically we’ll probably just take nice road trips in the car and stay in nice hotels or air bnb’s. With price of fuel, the RVs, staying at campgrounds which by the way are ridiculously overpriced as well. The whole rv/ camping experience is ruined by these companies that have taken over.

Wow. Glad to hear there is progress. If you have the ability to buy a new trailer go take a look at the Outdoors RV out of Oregon.

I have a watched a few of your videos now, and I'm stuck on one question. When they bought the old one back, did they also give you the Reflection at a discount or free? Because otherwise why would you have purchased another GD knowing all the issues swirling around them?

Going back to a tent!

I dont know why i got this feed this morning, but i owned a 2015 Momentum toyhauler. Bought it new, swapped out previous trailer, drove back to trailer park a couple hours where i had all my junk on the ground. Loaded everything up, and headed home. At home, couch slide was screwed up. Had to take it to lippert factory and i watched them weld up and strengthen the slide. IIRC they gussetted all of them. I was in and out same day.

Best of luck to you and I hope you get everything you deserve back from Grand Design.

There's no way I would have a camper that size. The math involved in moving that down the road and shaking it like what happens during a small earthquake to a structure that's stapled and glued together takes no time to shake apart. I live in Indiana and have been going to RV shows in South Bend and Chicago down to Indy. EVEN THE COACHES they bring to showcase are almost always messed up from broken trim to LEDs that aren't working already. Your best bet is to stay away from the larger volume companies, stay away from dealers and go direct to the factories that sell to the customer. I like smaller campers that have less flex, NuCamp is my current but I would consider CampInn since it's made like Airstream was. I would also look at anything imported from Australia or South Africa since they have a much more rugged atmosphere to deal with. Innotek, Taxa, old Airstream and Argosy would be the units I would consider.

Hopefully your tech will take lots and lots of pics to show us the before *and* after so we can more fully appreciate what it takes to make these things right.

Greg. Sooooo sorry to see you guys going through this again. Really appreciate your no bs approach and you have lots of support here!!! Mark

That blows! 😮

Doing everything I can to keep a friend from buying a G D. Thanks for update . Dealer assures him these issues are in the past. Apparently NOT

Sad that the RV manufacturing business produces sub par products. I had a Newmar and a Monaco from 2003 and 2005 and they were built like Sherman tanks. Went all over the country with just general maintenance!

I also agree go with brinkley

Post Covid era campers...loss of quality construction. Sad to hear of your camper issues but also not a surprise in the current industry. :(

It's a shame brother quality. Just aint what it used to be And either is a man's word Me and the wife were looking at getting a 2024 grand design Momentum, 397 When all Frame flex started coming around. We backed out. Purchasing a grand design anything We are looking at a Luxe fitwheel Based out of Indiana, no Dealerships custom builts You deal with a rep if you happen to get a chance to look at it. They got excellent Reviews. Good luck with everything. Keep your head up. You are doing the right thing, brother. And thank you.

Noticed that the trailer appeared to still have your license plate on it as it pulled away. It will probably run the Illinois and Indiana toll roads, so you should watch for notifications for unpaid tolls and fines. Also, IMHO, GD broke the NDA when they promised a well built new trailer and the Reflection has its own problems.

Love your videos I’ve had three new campers in the last three years. The last one I just got rid of was a Grande design momentum piece of crap. ended up buying now which is what I wanted to begin with a DRV full house. Hands-down, the best quality out there unless you went to Lux or spacecraft check into it.

Alliance would be my next choice. So sorry for all the bad things that have happened in your journey. My Keystone was a horrible experience. It only lasted 5 months before I had to abandon it because I couldn't tow it any longer.

You should send your videos to the CEO of Winnebago, let the mother ship of Grand Design feel some of the pressure as well.

@DavidVoorhies-jx1ob

Ай бұрын

I'm sure they've already seen this. If the management had any balls, they would build this gentleman a perfect unit and substitute it for the old/new defective. Many of these problems and it's really going to cost Grand Design and Winnebago in sales.

@fuzzywigglebutt

Ай бұрын

Well...none of this started until Winnebago got hold of GD so they probably do know all about it. I said years ago (what was it 2016?) that within 3 years of the Winnebago purchase that GD would be garbage as all the original folks in charge bailed. I said the same with the Tiffin sale and from what I have seen on KZread the same is happening with Tiffin quality.

By the way. Nice shop.

Very sorry you are encountering these problem. How the MFG. Steps up and they fix/replace your unit. Good luck.

I'm just curious to know about how many times would you say the slides got run in and out? That's insane.

So sad do not buy a new one. They're all junk and the warranty Thanks for sharing.

We have 1997 alpenlite with none of these problems. Older but very well built.

Holy CRAP!!! So I don't know if you have seen this, but BigTruckBigRV is trying to start some quality improvement movement. Alliance RV jumped on board basically the first day he announced this. Guess who else "claims" to want to join this movement....yep you guessed it...Grand Design! If that does not make you piss yourself laughing I don't know what will. Grand Design promising to improve quality....all I can say is "ya right" 🤣🤣🤣🤣. Sorry for all the issues you are having and these issues are EXACTLY why my wife and I have put off upgrading our RV because our belief is this is an industry wide issue.

So sorry to hear about your issues. We had a 2019 VanLeigh Vilano that had the neck flexing/separation issue as well as the rear wall separation from the frame. The aluminum construction plus the sheer weight of these large trailers simply cannot tolerate the crappy roads we drive on. Not sure how the engineers and designers can allow these out of the factories…I’m pretty handy with repairing things but these Repairs were way past my skill sets, finally gave up and sold it.

Sorry to hear about your problems We bought a outdoors r v trailer.Seems a lot better quality.we had some small issues but not those major issues

My dog took a crap once, it looked like a castle ..he then used his paw to create a mote ..it was a GRAND DESIGN

Sorry I thank you for posting 👍

Time to get a Brinkley!!

Take a breather for a bit...get all this worked out to your satisfaction so you and the brides zen is positive again... Then take the dogs shopping with you...thats how our German Shepherds bought our first one...😅 Keep up the great work...

Glad I have a Jayco 265RLS travel trailer.