Schools: *learn from mistakes* Also schools: *Don't allow students to retake tests or improve otherwise*

@lukebytes5366

3 жыл бұрын

And no, that doesn't mean the school can just pile that on to everything else I do for the remainder of the semester, screw online school tbh.

@neroquin

3 жыл бұрын

*move onto the next subject before you can learn what you did wrong and how to fix it*

@epicroader8433

3 жыл бұрын

@@TrueHey thats goddamn awful

@fluffynator6222

3 жыл бұрын

It's so funny... Last year I wrote a D on my biology test, did every homework and handed in a small extra piece of work and got an A for that. I got a B at the end. This year I wrota a D on my biology test, improved it to a C, wrote a B on the second test and overall did every homework I was asked to do. I got a C at the end. How?!

@jonasarnesen6825

3 жыл бұрын

@@TrueHey I believe many schools don't even have teachers who offer to explain what you did wrong in the test. I've never seen a math teacher explain a student what the student did wrong. The same goes with English, Chemistry teachers and so on. I believe most brush it off thinking students didn't study. That's one part many teachers fail at being teachers.

"My teachers tell us to dream, but don't let me sleep"

@prismaticguy

3 жыл бұрын

That's one of the greatest quotes I've ever heard, did you make it?

@sorrychangedmyusername3594

3 жыл бұрын

@@prismaticguy DN made it

@astralplains

3 жыл бұрын

@@sorrychangedmyusername3594 DN is truly an inspirational person

@stonethemason12

3 жыл бұрын

Hmm

@user-tb2dz7iu4e

3 жыл бұрын

@@astralplains Daniel Novic is a truly amazing person, I could not agree more. DN is amazing.

My middle school teacher once told the class: "I hate the grading system, I feel that it's limiting student's creativity. So I became a teacher to teach students and telling them how much it sucks so maybe there's a chance one of them would grow up then change it." Honestly, the best teacher I've had.

@catherine.journey

7 ай бұрын

@@DexterWallace57 She couldn't. She did try a few times though.

@arielbanzuela2277

7 ай бұрын

​@@DexterWallace57Don't expect 1 person to change a policy or rule held by the government

@YouKnowImOnMyPeriodYah

7 ай бұрын

@@DexterWallace57 Because one teacher with low pay can’t do diddle squat, but an entire generation that might go into the government could

@Jadenlikero

7 ай бұрын

What did DexterWallace say??

@bryanguzman2429

7 ай бұрын

Yea

When I entered AP Art, I was shocked. My teacher told us we could draw when she was talking, we could read when a video was running, as long as we were inspired and willing to create. Why can’t more classes be like that? Drawing during class helps me focus, yet I felt like a criminal whenever I did it

@theboombody

7 ай бұрын

Because in art it's a lot more subjective than math class. In math class you need an algorithm that will be consistently correct so you're not just guessing. Some teachers are a bit picky on what algorithm you choose, and of course they want to see your work because they're grading dozens of papers and they don't want to spend all their time at home trying to guess how you did stuff when they deserve a life outside of work too.

@sourwitch2340

7 ай бұрын

@@theboombody firstly: they never said anything about teachers, or maths teachers specifically, needing to be more lax in the actual results or presentation they expect. just that controlling how students learn isn't helpful. what matters should be exactly THAT students learn, not how. what matters is that you CAN show how you got there, and get to the right point, but as long as you can demonstrate that, it shouldn't matter what formula you used. secondly: that it makes special sort of sense to teach this way in an arts program doesn't change the fact that a lot of arts and other creative programs will be taught in the exact same manner maths or physics would. which, as you note correctly, doesn't make sense. these subjects have a different character, different qualities benefit them, yet most teachers act like the only thing any subject needs is discipline. when most don't.

@theboombody

7 ай бұрын

@@sourwitch2340 What you say is ideal but not practical. It assumes a teacher is an unlimited resource whose only pleasure in life is to serve the student. It's a unilateral contract where the teacher bears FAR more burden than the student. Not only do students need incentive to learn, but teachers need incentive to teach, and sometimes being able to do your job efficiently so you aren't spending 3 extra hours a day at your job figuring extra stuff out is nice. If you want to do something an inefficient and fun way, you can do it on your time and show your teacher later. That's what I did with my calculus teacher. I followed the algorithm he taught me on my assignments and showed him an algorithm I liked during his office hours.

@Buttercup697

6 ай бұрын

Visual arts are not the same as typical academics… it’s much more subjective. There is no right or wrong in art (other than color theory or practical technical skills)… art requires thinking outside the box (as does writing) much more than the rudimentary academic studies of math, science, history, computer sciences you get in middle/high school… university math and science is a different animal where thinking outside the box gets you your PhD. I quit teaching visual arts after 8 years … the idea of grading an idea seemed counterproductive to the creative process.

@TeachMeLordGod

6 ай бұрын

My AP art class wasn't so lucky. Especially me. I always just did what I wanted to do, just following their rules just enough. Til this day, I hardly do commissions. Either someone is going to like my stuff for what it is or they can ask someone else who can.

Good grades never made me feel "happy" or even good, they just felt neutral because they told me "That's what you're supposed to get" and every other bad grade just made me feel awful. There was never a 'good' grade, it was just the grade you were supposed to have.

@ethan_7480

2 жыл бұрын

This

@ztoastinator2091

2 жыл бұрын

If I could like this twice, I would

@ilvanasgobero8096

2 жыл бұрын

Wanna know something ironic? Barely passing makes me happier than getting 100% on a test

@ironicorca9743

2 жыл бұрын

@@ilvanasgobero8096 You just described like 93% of students.

@tolomas3721

2 жыл бұрын

Personnally i get 90% on almost every single test but i still stress a lot while taking the test, studying, or doing homework and im not smarter than anyone else, i just happen to be able to learn at school in the current system, wich i still think is trash because most of what i learned (especially in science) was by using the internet (sorry for the english mistakes)

for me, grades are an all round demotivator. High grades = stops trying Low grades = gives up

@nathanhernandez7173

3 жыл бұрын

for me it's High Grades - stop trying Low Grades - Desperately try to bring grades back up to bare minimum, losing sleep in the process I don't think that's much better either

@andynonymous6769

3 жыл бұрын

No kidding!!!

@ForwardTokage

3 жыл бұрын

High grades = I might've cheated Low grades = Uh oh

@triflest3542

3 жыл бұрын

High grades = when you accidentally get a lower grade, everyone says they're disappointed Low grades = why should I even bother if all my work was for nothing? (stops trying)

@AdrianMusicProd

3 жыл бұрын

@@triflest3542 I relate. I am a D/C average student, but am told I have the potential to get A+, even though I have never gotten that, even after studying for weeks. I am becoming a senior now. I did my own little social experiment on my parents. They tell me if I get anything that isn’t of their expectations, that I don’t try hard enough, and demotivate me. I try my hardest, but I am not a very smart person, and I accept that. The 3rd quarter, I decided to pull all nighters and try harder, breaking my mental state further than needed, and ended up with my grades being B+, B+, B, and a C+. Their behavior and responses were the same. They told me I didn’t try hard enough and they expected more from me. The next quarter, I let myself get down to a 23%. They allowed the D+ afterwards, which I raised myself to through more all nighters. I’m not saying that they are bad parents, I know they want the best for me. But they need to try making that happen from a different angle. What are your thoughts?

I actually don’t remember most of what I’ve learned in school because I was so obsessed with grades that I just studied really hard and spit it out in the test. That is what my teachers wanted me to do: not to learn, but to pass the test.

@prayagsuthar9856

7 ай бұрын

Truly though! Especially in my AP math classes (basically college-level classes that you can take in high school), the teachers always talk about "this is how you answer these problems on the _AP exam,_ and you HAVE to answer the problems THIS EXACT WAY on the _AP exam_ otherwise you'll _lose points"._ That's literally what they expect of us, if we forget to write "by the second derivative test" or something, then _we lose points!!!_

@vedran3775

6 ай бұрын

Truer words have never been spoken.

@rigure

5 ай бұрын

My friend said the same and I share the issue, although I never cared for grades as lomg as it passed. Barely passing was fine. I guess I didn't really keep a lot though, I just automatically memorized it for a while

@ksksksjs

4 ай бұрын

Maybe Teachers are getting paid for every passed test

@biolumenescentcommie

4 ай бұрын

yeah, I don't really learn anything in history class because it's all lecture based and there's just a big test at the end of each chapter in the textbook so I hardly remember anything after we take the test.

I had a music college professor who hated it so much, he said to us from the beginning: “If you attend three music concerts and write your papers with your genuine review of each of them, no matter what, I will pass you through this class.” We didn’t even have to pay for the concerts. The last one was a full on orchestra and he himself was playing violin. We need more professors like you, Dr. Walz. A lot of older professors don’t like this system either.

@BoomQuackaLaka

4 ай бұрын

The fact that his name was 'Walz' and he became a music teacher felt like it was destiny

@blitzboy2934

4 ай бұрын

My orchestra teacher is similar to that. He’s super chill, and he’s been teaching us since 7th grade. At our las concert of the year when the current seniors graduate, most people bring him something and people get awards and stuff, it’s really sweet. I’m glad that most music teachers actually take pride in their work, and have fun with it. It makes it better for the students too.

@kj3d812

2 ай бұрын

Unlike my music history teacher at the well-known arts school I attended, who said, "The only excuse for missing my class is death." I once sat in his class with 102 degree fever and chills because of that threat. Oh, and I remember nothing from that music history class.

@Because-rt8qs

2 ай бұрын

So, he just wanted to play and didn't want to teach. How is that good? You don't seem to grasp that he just didn't care about you. It's bizarre.

@defaultdan7923

Ай бұрын

⁠@@kj3d812it’s almost like forcing students to attend class _doesnt_ actually mean they’ll remember everything better, especially when they might have a literal fever.

I remember my dad told me once that when he was a student, he usually got pretty bad grades, so one time he decided he wants to change that, and he studied so much for a test, that he memorized the topic word for word. The teacher was convinced he cheated and gave him an F.

@afrdzul9811

2 жыл бұрын

Ouch dude, sorry

@SneccTheSnake

2 жыл бұрын

That's the exact reason why alot of my siblings tried to just float through school since standing out in either direction, high average of low average, is a bad thing. Being known for a specific thing makes it hard to adapt to be something else in the eyes of others

@BoredLoserAlpha

2 жыл бұрын

Fuck school

@ry4876

2 жыл бұрын

What the f***

@78anurag

2 жыл бұрын

Perfect example of suffering from success

My middle school gave out "tickets" to kids who obeyed the rules. In actuality they only passed them out to the bullies who behaved once in a blue moon, because my constant upstanding performance is an "expectation" that doesn't necessitate reward.

@deligeorgieva8535

3 жыл бұрын

EXACTLY

@deligeorgieva8535

3 жыл бұрын

same thing with grades in my school, cause i get good grades 95% of the time that no one is actually surprised or proud of me, because it's how every student should be. but the second those with bad grades that couldn't care less actually put in some effort they got praised and given a good grade for the littlest task

@australium7374

3 жыл бұрын

that’s because a school wants everyone to behave and uses the least amount of resources to subjugate everyone in the classes. you do not matter, they could care less about you.

@crisptomato9495

3 жыл бұрын

In Canada you have to take certain subjects like science and history in French and at my school if you spoke English during those classes you would have one ticket taken away for each word of English spoken by whoever caught you. All it did was create animosity between classmates and everyone was on edge trying to rat each other out.

@marmadukescarlet7791

3 жыл бұрын

My observation is that the awards go to the children whose parents are the most involved in the PTA or are rich enough to donate to extra curricular activities.

One time my teacher in elementary told me- word for word- “this is too creative”. WHAT THE HELL? I was in elementary, let me use my damn imagination I did everything the paper asked, but just with my own spin on it

@rohanking12able

4 ай бұрын

I've never understood especially English teachers that seriously believe there's one right way to say a phrase

@pickle3114

4 ай бұрын

that was in elementary school jeez 😂

@LeafscaleTheRainwing

4 ай бұрын

if anything this is a compliment- like who says "this is too creative" in this kind of way? does this teacher want yall to be boring hiveminds that cant come up with something new or what

@Caintastrophe

4 ай бұрын

@@ControversialPricant oh it was not a joking tone, i had to redo the whole thing

@tina-santheartistichuman33

4 ай бұрын

That reminded me of a elementary teacher I had who once yelled at me for scribble instead of neatly coloring, pretty sure I had a kind of assignment that required coloring something and she had an entire fit on why I should restart cus I scribbled… this was in kindergarten. Yeah I still don’t know what the problem was, you have every right to be mad at that teacher.

My Psychology teacher said something that still sticks with me. He said "If you come to class every day with the assignment done, you get an A. If you come to class and don't do the assignment, you get an A. If you dont want to put in the effort, you won't get anything out of this class, but if you try to learn, you will grow by the end of this year.

@sovietmusiclover8466

8 ай бұрын

now that is someone who is deserving of being called a teacher

@MegaBond101

8 ай бұрын

My teachers did the same! I failed the advanced psycs midterm yesterday! (I was forced to be in that class by the councler) but my teacher gave us all 30 points so instead of a 50 I ended up with an 80! This semester I failed all my quizes for algebra and psysics but they always gave us bonus points and idk I forgot what my point was lol

@HyperNova808

7 ай бұрын

@@sovietmusiclover8466seriously, teaching is such an important job and so many people who don’t care just end up as one…

@sovietmusiclover8466

7 ай бұрын

@@HyperNova808 its weird how people who hate kids can go into a job where you do nothing but interact with kids

@Merchanter

6 ай бұрын

Peak username and pfp

“children grow up learning to walk and talk, but when they get older theyre told to sit down and shut up” -some reddit comment i found

@theguy5923

3 жыл бұрын

R/showerthoughts?

@ForwardTokage

3 жыл бұрын

r/im14andthisisdeep

@OptimalOwl

3 жыл бұрын

Important life lessons.

@savag3guardian

3 жыл бұрын

There is an appropriate time for each. When you have responsibilities, like rent/mortgage, kids if you want/them, there are some things that you just need to do, whether you like it or not. Most people don't *want* to get up and go to work everyday, but money doesn't grow on trees, so that's how we get it.

@annonomeece6443

3 жыл бұрын

Pretty sure that was said in a captain underpants book

"The purpose of school was to figure out what the teacher wanted and then give that to them." This is the realest fucking thing and it makes me *furious*

@xfreja

3 жыл бұрын

LITERALLYYY

@msi8311

3 жыл бұрын

This is how a lot of people make big money. By figuring out what people want and then making it happen.

@26183

3 жыл бұрын

@@msi8311 time, context and purpose, my friend.

@Andy251153

3 жыл бұрын

We are creatures with very strong pattern recognition... I'm not surprised whether we realize it or not, but God damn do I feel stifled in my education because of just feeling like I needed to pass rather than wanting to learn

@pianofry1138

3 жыл бұрын

That is pretty much how jobs work. That is the point of school to prepare you for jobs.

It's a no win situation for top students. My little sister is one. She got scolded for being noisy by simply asking what she misheard (her hearing isn't that good, but they wouldn't allow her to sit in front). Then there's also the teachers who complained that top students are less sociable than average students and that they prefer to socialize with the latter. Who in the first place pressured top students to be quiet and behaved to the point of paralysis?

@CheerfullyCynical829

3 ай бұрын

Teachers shouldn’t be socializing with any students. 😢😢

@tobistein9831

2 ай бұрын

If she had a diagnosed disability that the school was aware of via a 504 plan (assuming you're in a US public school), you could fully sue the school through the ADA for not providing accommodations like preferential seating.

@Clovergem_in_the_snow

17 күн бұрын

@@tobistein9831 yep! Preferential seating, repeated instructions, and visual supplements to lessons have all been helpful to me.

@somedragonbastard

9 күн бұрын

​@@CheerfullyCynical829 maybe a bit too far there bud. I think it's normal for a teacher to casually interact socially with their students, like asking how their day is going or about their hobbies

I remember being in 10th grade, massively interested in history and mythology and everything along those lines. My teacher was very impressed with my knowledge, he told me as much. Near the end of the year he had to pull me aside and told me something along the lines of “I know you know pretty much everything I’ve taught in this class already, but your grade can’t be the one you deserve because of the amount of late assignments you’ve handed in.” I had proved that I learned all the material, that I knew everything that was being taught but because I was late on the assignments it looked like I knew and had learned nothing. After that point I had never tried in any class because I didn’t feel like it was worth it anymore, I did the bare minimum to pass and didn’t care about the grade because I would’ve just felt worse if I did. I was too sickly to do assignments on time all the time with all the assignment heavy classes. The way grading works pisses me off

@Jerry-qj9xc

6 ай бұрын

So you were always a lazy failure looking to blame others...got it.

@matejtrupina1244

5 ай бұрын

School in generally sucks. From the start time to bullshit shit we learn that we definetly wont loose to grading which i dont get why it even exists

@Belianaria8213

3 ай бұрын

😢 Dude. I am sorry you lost your interest in history. I always interpreted my history teacher with facts I know and she one day told she told me to tell me what I want to shared my history facts I knew after lesson or she will call me into the office. I did but I still love history? How I handle my love for history? By me just doodling or just being super look hyper face during lesson when I learn something new..

My time in high school: "How are you all falling behind? I only assign an hour of homework a night!" "Probably because 6 of our 7 teachers assign an hour of homework a night"

@momo.jiajia

3 жыл бұрын

they seem to always think that they're the center of our attention, ignoring the fact that many students have extracurriculars because society insists we have them, families they'd like to spend time with, and hobbies because they wanna enjoy stuff too.

@Alicia-rn8bg

3 жыл бұрын

Not only that, repeating mathematical operations over and over again is not going to make you understand mathematics neither learn it. It just makes you a human calculator... Does a calculator understand what it is behind fractions? what they represent or how they can be used? No, but they get them done...just like students.

@davisf8946

3 жыл бұрын

“Alright I got everything done, can you please update my grades?” “ARE YOU KIDDING ME? I’ve literally got 6 or 7 classes to grade do you really think YOU’RE my priority?” The logic is always right there lol, but they really can never figure out that you are feeling the exact same way.

@amiyahancock3056

3 жыл бұрын

or when you don’t understand the 10 minute homework and it takes you an hour to complete

@destiny-mh8pk

3 жыл бұрын

​@@amiyahancock3056 especially when the homework has nothing to do with what you learned in class

"we're told failure is good yet we're punished for it" really made me rethink every single time i've ever been upset over failing a test

@ruffalo1643

3 жыл бұрын

I also get confused.

@sissa8216

3 жыл бұрын

“Failure’s okay, you just have things to improve on! Also your never getting into any university even if you didn’t want to, also your gonna end up on the streets. But like I said, failure’s good.”

@davidkonevky7372

3 жыл бұрын

It's so conflicting

@ruffalo1643

3 жыл бұрын

@@davidkonevky7372 I don't understand why the school teaches us about something they get upset about.

@bluesolace9052

3 жыл бұрын

grades determine what you get paid and therefore your future quality of life, YET we live in the double standard where you can only fail so many times before you think you'll end up homeless, poor, or a criminal because as much money has helped expand society it is the weak link that can doom us all. It's sad how experienced someone can be, but will be evaluated based on a piece of paper

It's crazy to me that when you started talking about avoiding risks, I basically had a flashback. My favorite teacher was teaching this technology class, and for one of the units we built robots. I loved it. I loved the actual building, the coding, and how when something didn't work I could change it. When finals came around, he said that anyone who didn't want to take a standard final could build a robot that could complete a simple challenge. I had the exact thought process you described of "That's too much effort and risk. I know I can ace the final, better just play it safe." It sucked because I really wanted to mess with the robots again, but I was already swamped with my other finals and I just made the calculation that taking the easy A would make the other finals easier. So there I was on finals day, trapped in a desk, filling out the little bubbles so fast that I had ample opportunity to stare at the wall and think about how much more fun I would be having if I had built a robot instead. No one else built a robot by the way

@usernametaken017

3 ай бұрын

Oh this really drives the point home

My 5th grade teacher straight up said she wishes she didn't have to give us assessments and tests. 10/10 teacher.

you know, for a time when everyone tells you, “have fun these are the best years of you life!” I feel very contained and drained of anything good i used to have in life. I can’t wait to get old enough where i can get rid of school in my life. That’s not good.

@78anurag

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, school is a soul draining experience. I can really relate to this comment especially the part where you say you really want to graduate ASAP. I don't even feel like I'm being educated. I feel like school is just one giant 16 year old long homework to complete.

@goldenegg7447

2 жыл бұрын

yeah, the best years of my live make me contemplate killing myself every day. The best years of my life make me hate every fiber of my being. Fuck these "best years of my life" bull shit.

@potatosack7492

2 жыл бұрын

I relate to this so much

@DragoonBoom

2 жыл бұрын

You sound like me. Have fun with the recurring nightmares of not doing boring, soul sucking assignments for most of the school year and waking up thinking "Holy shit I've gotta actually do stuff or I'll fail to graduate" before realising that you're 27 and have been out of high school for years.

@78anurag

2 жыл бұрын

@@DragoonBoom Wait do you actually have such nightmares or even have _SLIGHTLY_ exaggerated the real situation

So it’s basically like getting up to get the dishes because you wanted to and then not wanting to do them once your mom tells you to do it.

@arjunsreedhar3024

3 жыл бұрын

There's clearly more then that tho

@agreedboarart3188

3 жыл бұрын

No. Not at all.

@mackycabangon8945

3 жыл бұрын

YES.

@Andrew-zi3iw

3 жыл бұрын

it's more like you get up to do the dishes because you want to be cleaner, then your mom says she'll give you 10$ to do the dishes. it says that doing dishes is bad because otherwise you wouldn't need an incentive to do it, and it makes it about the reward for doing the dishes rather than the reason for doing the dishes but also, that's happened to me before

@agreedboarart3188

3 жыл бұрын

@@Andrew-zi3iw I feel like it's more like this: You're planning on doing the dishes later this morning. However, your mom comes into your room chastising you because the dishes are all dirty and have yet to be clean. There is no reward for doing them, only the consequences of not doing them (same with school work and grades, no reward, just punishment), and now you're unmotivated to do it. You're just being forced to perform a certain way.

It really is true that above all else, school teaches you to be quiet, obedient, and just like everyone else.

@fabirkemarian6370

4 ай бұрын

And remaining ignorant with the rest of the class about the rest of the world. 😢

@marcmeinzer8859

3 ай бұрын

I taught back in the 1980s and even then, and even in a suburban parochial school, many of the kids were not quiet or obedient. To all accounts it’s even worse today. So how come school can’t teach most people to be obedient? I would suggest that this is because children are sheltered by the adults to prevent them from harming themselves and that they all end up like Frank Zappa’s pajama people who with their “comfy little footies on the mind” cannot focus owing to all the warm fuzzies which are conferred upon them by all of the well meaning but plainly incompetent adults. It’s easier to focus and take things seriously when you’re being taught something potentially dangerous such as canoeing, where if you screw up you pretty much die.

@huyphamle159

3 ай бұрын

That explained why classes aren't allowed to talk

@marcmeinzer8859

3 ай бұрын

Good luck getting ordinary kids today to not talk over the teacher in class. Ain’t gonna happen! There might be some discipline in military schools where they have license to mentally and physically brutalize the cadets but since there’s no selectivity or winnowing out of misfits in public school there’s virtually no discipline any more these days. And these days began back in the early 1970s not just with “Gen Z”.@@huyphamle159

@emilsinclair4190

2 ай бұрын

​@marcmeinzer8859 good teachers get the respect of there students without the need for discipline.

I think a good way to conduct a class would be like a D&D campaign. The teacher(s) have the information and general guidelines of what students need to know, and then they work together to figure out what they want to learn and how to best achieve it.

@ChiefMakes

7 ай бұрын

This would be so fun, having other kids wanting to learn what we do and doing it together (or alone) instead of the same exact thing that has existed since 1990 and has barley been changed except for major things that have been proven wrong

@ChiefMakes

7 ай бұрын

My school curriculum hasn’t even bothered to change the current date from 2008 to 2023

@Nenadior

4 ай бұрын

I think this is how Sudbury schools already work, look it up, it's fascinating and great!

"We're told to learn from our mistakes, but how can we risk making mistakes when everything is on the line?" This just sent me to another dimension how do i get back

@Rikorage

3 жыл бұрын

Don't focus on the getting back, see what you can learn while there, and if you find a way back, then good for you :D

@floweyfangirl69420

3 жыл бұрын

I just died

@emanueljames7801

3 жыл бұрын

I'm a natural risk taker and very confident so a lower than expected grade did not effect me. I liked learning and loved doing things the other students were not. I was a C student who was very good in math and English and was highly rated on test in my school and state, but only a C student because school was not built for me the way I am.

@dakys3660

3 жыл бұрын

@@emanueljames7801 I mean, the whole concept is about not bringing competition in education and you do that indirectly by saying "i'm different from others, i'm built different". Good for you, imo everyone is built different but some fit more easily to the education system, that doesnt reduce them to sheep who are brainless. And if you say : "this is not what I meant", which is probably the case honestly, I have to say that it is what you communicate through your words, to me atleast.

@emanueljames7801

3 жыл бұрын

@@dakys3660 No I agree but just like you can't throw "poor" students in the trash and forget about them. We can't forget that some people need challenge and competition to thrive. Just don't forget about those people, every needs something different.

Gotta love how we're forced to spend the most important parts of our lives being emotionally abused for the sake of learning in a way that is awful for learning.

@yourself_and_i_music

2 жыл бұрын

honestly there is no drive for learning when the systems like this which is different when you find something you want to do and worse is that we cant change a goddamn thing about this system even though we know whats the flaws and the parents dont give a shit other than we get full grades or not and go as far as abusing their children or even worse in India

@gummy5862

2 жыл бұрын

@@yourself_and_i_music There is no “good way” of learning if the student does not care for the subject in the first place! You can’t just make yourself like things.

@yourself_and_i_music

2 жыл бұрын

@@gummy5862 well im pretty sure alot of students don't 'like the subject cause of how its presented to them like how some people hate greens but if they go well with something else they might like it. its how the subject is presented and delivered to us and there are people who don't like that too then they should jut be given more options.

@78anurag

2 жыл бұрын

We spend 20% of our entire life in school and 33% just by sleeping. Knowing the fact that students are creatures who don't sleep we can add the percentages together and we get: 53% This means that we only get 47% of our entire life remaining, and that is 37.6 years. Out of the promised 80 years of life we only get 38 years to actually enjoy 💀 Edit: I did more accurate calculations by throwing in factors like chores, traffic jam, actually assuming students get sleep, eating etc. And I now arrive at the conclusion that we only have 46.4100596380125% of our life left, about 0.6% decrease than the one I calculated originally. So we finally find that we spend (cue the drum roll): 37.12804771041 years of our life left. Out of the promised 80 years of life we only get 37 years to enjoy 💀 Edit 2: Added in college since you want a job and not starve to death and we have 38.91% left. That's 31 years Edit 3: We actually spend 7% in school (or 13.2% with homework) that means that 38.91% goes up to 45%, which is 36 years. Edit 4: 85% of people hate their jobs so it's most likely you will join them too. 30% of life is spent in job which reduces us to 15% like holy shi- Edit: I did more accurate calculations and got 9.43%

@gummy5862

2 жыл бұрын

@@78anurag You also have to do homework, hygiene, chores, etc. you get much less than 37.6 years when you factor in all the crap you have to do in life.

Hooray for deciding that fear and punishment are problematic sources of motivation and for some of us choosing not to pass along generational trauma. "iT hApPeNeD tO mE aNd I tUrNeD oUt AlRiGhT"

@funnychannel5068

3 ай бұрын

Man I hate when people say that. Especialy when you realize it is actually a lie. They say it because they are trying to convince themselves and you that it is the right way. "It HaPpEnD tO Me AnD I TuRnEd OuT AlRiGhT" No my lad you did not

@chaoticcow4357

3 ай бұрын

​​@@funnychannel5068 exactly, functioning and functioning well are two different things. yes people who are taught like this can function, but not in way people should be able to.

@sarah12232

3 ай бұрын

@@funnychannel5068 i think its also because they don't want to accept that all the pain they went through was wrong and not necessary, that they were wronged or wronged themselves

@funnychannel5068

3 ай бұрын

@@sarah12232 I agree. I might now understand them a bit. It is kinda hard to admit that you suffered for nothing and to deal with it. Thx for letting me know man 👍

god, the motivation bit hit home for me. i used to draw so much, back when my only reward was the joy of the process. nowadays i barely draw and when i do i am extremely slow and i struggle. i'm crippled by perfectionism and my reward being "you did it"-points, approval from peers and maybe some more popularity so i can use art to earn money on the side. the process has become agonizing instead of fun. it is so hardwired that i can't get rid of it, no matter how aware i am.

For me, getting a bad grade just screams at me "Your life is over. Your not going to succeed in life, nobody's gonna want to accept you into their school, you're just dumb, hopeless, and sad." And getting a good grade just makes me feel temporarily relieved.

@miguelmercer2377

2 жыл бұрын

I hate being able to relate to this

@MG-05

2 жыл бұрын

At this point I've becaome totally numb to good grades because it's so rare and feels so not worth it, like just yesterday I wasted my whole fucking day me and my aunt repeating over and over all the arguments that were explained until now and today I got like a 4 (I live in italy, this is a shit grade) because I "Did not answer to all questions" because the professor's idea of knowledge is answering awfully but to all questions

@inksterdoodles11

2 жыл бұрын

I wrote two paragraphs about why i hate myself. why? i missed one question on an assignment

@jaiden8529

2 жыл бұрын

@@MG-05 I live in Italy too and i feel you my friend. School really doesn't give a fuck about the effort you put in your studies, just the final grade :/

@avocadeous

2 жыл бұрын

Ikr. I’ve actually become somewhat of a perfectionist. One bad grade gets me down for days, since I’ve always been told that bad grades = bad gcse = a terrible life with little money

The scariest part of getting constant A's isn't that they don't feel earned, it's that they lose their luster and become the norm for the student. When I got straight A's for the first time, I was ecstatic; That was in middle school. In college, getting all A's feels like an "oh, good job, you passed" moment.

@trollsurvivor

2 жыл бұрын

For me I just try to keep my final grades above a 95 so I can get a scholarship to one of the better colleges in my area

@zofiar4753

2 жыл бұрын

I started getting frustrated when I only got the highest scores in uni, because I was putting less and less work into it, and yet the results were still the same, so I realised I didn't have to try to do anything at all, because clearly it did not matter. And I used to actually be interested in these things, I used to be passionate about them - but I had to quit this course to actually regain my interest in the topic.

@TheBuildMiner210

2 жыл бұрын

In addition, at least in my experience, if you started getting straight A's and it has become the norm, there is an immense feeling of failure associated with anything that's not an A, while getting A's has no positive feeligns associated with it as you described.

@lunathegodkiller

2 жыл бұрын

I just graduated high school a month ago; I crashed and burned out super hard because I was the Prodigy Child (TM) of the family and instead of a positive "you did great" type thing, getting an A in every class became almost a requirement for me at home, and by the end of the year I felt like i wasn't doing much of anything for myself rather than other people.

@joniboi3699

2 жыл бұрын

I was a straight C/D student and I needed an A to get into maths A level. I worked really hard to get an A in my GCSE two or three months before they started. I was in set 3 so they only taught foundation maths which baisically meant I was on my own to learn the higher stuff. GCSE results came and I was 4 marks off an A. I told all the maths teachers my circumstances and how I had improved from a level 4 to almost a level 7 within the span of 2-3 months whilst only being taught foundation math at school, but they were all adamant that I was unfit to do maths A level because of some made-up grading system. I come to find out that next year they had dropped the A level math requirements from 7 to 6. Dumbass school bruh 😒

After years of being an ADHDer in the school system, I have had to relearn how to fail. For so much of my life I was punished by the school system for thinking out of the box and getting things wrong but I have learned that that is the only way to gain a true understanding of the world around us. Failure is the greatest thing that can happen to us because that is where we truly learn and yet that's not how we are graded. Especially when it comes to homework assignments. Homework assignments are take home quizzes that are graded based on correctness, not how much the student engaged with the material. It's a terrible sentiment and is so genuinely harmful to students creativity and problem solving. You can't be a problem solver if you aren't willing to fail. You can only solve cookie cutter problems that you have crammed into your head a million times through rote memorization. I hope one day this can change but I am not confident of it.

@flouglemireindustries4335

2 ай бұрын

Unless you want to hear someone vent a general amount of their experience in high school so far while having ADHD, I don't recommend reading this comment. However I wanted to type it since, this is the most genuine explanation of my bum fuckery journey through trying to be a knowledge enjoyer. If you do read this, thank you , I appreciate you read on this random stranger. I'm currently drowning as a Junior with adhd, my mom won't allow me to be assessed by a psychologist so I can't get a 504-b accommodation, and she keeps bugging me here and there on why I'm not able to do anything school related or focus on anything school related when I don't have any REAL SUPPORT. I'm just in a pocket of awfulness I can't get out of no matter the corner I look at. I find any and all creative and artistical work more rewarding than anything I do about school, it's just depressing, especially knowing that learning is something that creates enjoyment, the learning process has just been so muddied and put out of reach the more I'm unable to do anything. And I have been like this for the past 3 years, it's great

@defaultdan7923

Ай бұрын

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@flouglemireindustries4335 oh wow, i’m going through something very similar rn lol. it sucks. a lot. i’m sorry that your mom won’t let you see a psychologist, that’s horrible (and makes no sense either). honestly, if you can, lean further into that creative work that you do at home, or if your teachers let you, try to incorporate some of it into your work (though i doubt they will unfortunately). your point about learning is something that i also really agree with. learning almost feels like it has become a chore in my life because of hs. i remember vividly wanting to learn all that i could when i was younger, but now i just feel burnt out. the school system sucks. at the very least, there’s only 2 more years of hs.

@flouglemireindustries4335

Ай бұрын

@@defaultdan7923 After reading this I felt like dabbing you up and then hand shaking, thanks a lot for your comment bro. I hope we either get through this or spark some change, or both. I don't know what giving up really means at this point, but whatever it is it might not be what I'm going for. Just a few more years of this, and hopefully something spiritually fulfilling

@kevinschmidt5303

Ай бұрын

​@@flouglemireindustries4335 I'm in college right now and I feel this on a fundamental level 😭 I have autism too so add that to the pile lol. I really hate being forced to pay for garbage I not only dont want to learn, but isn't even helping me reach my goals. I'm going for computer science and I have to take algebra, college writing, and speech. The algebra I'm doing isn't at all even closely related to anything I would be doing while coding 😭 I'm so uninterested in these topics and its really killing me. My motivation is low, I'm burnt out and hateing life honestly. I'd be excelling if they would just teach me the things I cared for. Or at least teach me stuff I'm going to need. But no I have to pay for garbage classes I won't remember. Grr. Its all so annoying. I had the same issues in highschool said I wasn't going to college and somehow got convinced that it would be different. Its literally highschool but I had to pay for it. Them everyone goes oh but it gets better later, like I shouldn't have to wait. It should teach me what I'm paying them for now. Sorry for the mini rant lol. I could go on and on and on honestly. I do at least like my college writing teacher so that makes it slightly better. He does actually care so it helps a tiny bit.

When I was 7 my parents bought my mom an old upright piano. There was a beginning piano book in the bench. I pulled it out and taught myself to play the piano and read music. Then my parents had me take formal lessons. There were graded recitals with report cards given after each recital. Many of my marks were “C”s. So I thought I was just very average. Fast forward to my early 30’s. I was cleaning out an old chest and found my recital cards. In very tiny print at the bottom was a legend. Turns out a C meant “excels at”. So all those years I thought I wasn’t good enough to pursue music for a career, which is what I wanted to do. It’s taken a long time to believe in myself as a musician, and some days I have doubts, but I am finally doing what I love.

@amyrenee1361

4 ай бұрын

Good for you dude ❤

@thatoneguy9582

28 күн бұрын

i mean good fucking shit my guy but also thats a _really_ stupid grading system,

@jacobschiller4486

23 күн бұрын

What kind of asshole gives kids grades for music lessons?

"Failure is good" "The grade doesn't matter " Then why do I still have nightmares about failing tests when I'm 42?

@coldeed

2 жыл бұрын

Because you are immature.

@legiovictorum

2 жыл бұрын

@@coldeed because he was traumatized

@coldeed

2 жыл бұрын

@@legiovictorum that's pathetic and overdramatic, like a crying child. Edit: this is overly harsh way of putting it, so I understand if you hate the way I said it. I do believe it to be true, and i will not hide from my own poor choice of words.

@lone_stick

2 жыл бұрын

@@coldeed you should be a Microsoft browser, because that was Edge-y as hell

@coldeed

2 жыл бұрын

@@lone_stick it's called honesty. It doesn't make you an edgelord just because someone will cry over it.

It's weird that people assume garbage collection is an inherently "shitty job". Yes, you're going to smell really bad at the end of the day but so will the guys who work at the morgue. The garbage collector keeps human living space clean and comfortable. He improves the functioning of the community and helps with public hygiene. This is honorable, dignified work that shouldn't be looked down upon because it's "unskilled" or "dirty". Edit: By "shitty" I mean it's somehow a "shameful" or "failure" job. I am fully aware that it's exhausting and not at all good for the person in the long term.

@splash6267

3 жыл бұрын

I work as a maintenance worker in a large retail chain. Its easily seen as the bottom of the barrel almost a shameful job. I thought i didnt want to do a job like that but took it because its what was available to me at the time. Ive worked several dept and a couple different stores through my years and ive never been happier and have decided ill be doing this work into the future until i can establish my career after school.

@griflet1

3 жыл бұрын

@@splash6267 And then some of the people judging this type of work are doing nothing but scrolling through twitter behind their desk, being useless. As a maintenance worker, everyone will know if you screw up your job, so you can take pride when it is done well. If you can scroll trough twitter and nobody notices, your job is probably rather useless, self-worth probably drops, hence the need to look down on people. My hypothesis anyway. But I do hope people slap me if I ever degrade these base level jobs. By the way, what would you consider a proper name for this category? Low-skill or low-level doesn't seem right to me, base level points at the fact that a lot of people are relying on them, but don't know if there's better words

@splash6267

3 жыл бұрын

@wannes ceulemans oo interesting theory and question. Honestly i agree, because it is relied on and people who scroll through twitters arent as easily noticed. If i had to change the title i would call it safety worker and hygein management. Sounds fancier lmao! But in reality that is what we are doing, my job isnt only taking out the trash or cleaning the toilettes. Its cleaning the floors to make sure its clean and presentable so no one trips, its cleaning up hazardous spills one shouldnt clean up without training or protective gear. Its disinfecting through a time like corona and having safe and comfortable spaces for associates and managers to have breaks or work in. I would call it low skilled entry level but it doesnt mean its easy work or even not alot of work. I work with someone who doesnt care about his job, who refuses to do what he is asked even by store management. And im left managing most of the store by myself, not necessarily anyones fault but the coworker and if we were fully staffed it would certainly be easier, however attention to detail and being mindful of dirty and germ gathering places is a necessity in a job like mine. I feel happy i can provide a clean and safe space for both customers and associates alike

@griflet1

3 жыл бұрын

@@splash6267 tnx for the reply, I'd call it 'simple' but not easy maybe. Considering the video, I think it would be really interesting how these types of jobs/this type of work would be dealt with in a different system. I've worked a student job in a supermarket filling shelves and for free in a student bar filling the fridges etc. and in my experience, fact that in the student bar there is no 'boss' and hourly wage, but a group of equals relying on each other to keep the bar running makes everyone much more involved and motivated, even without any pay.

@nagisa0931

3 жыл бұрын

Fun I found out the local garbage collector makes 30/hour in my local houses

“In her place was an anxious teenager who saw school as a barrier to her future; or just a means to an end. And who had missed all of the learning that was supposed to be happening there. School it seems had gotten in the way of her education.” Although I am a few years older than a teenager, this phrase describes how I feel about school as I attempt to slug through my last 6 college courses.

Now imagine all of this but for someone who is neurodivergent. I have Autism and ADHD. With Autism, everything you need to learn is incredibly overwhelming, not to mention the loud environments, the cramped rooms, the smells of odours, the cafeteria food texture, the social anxiety you feel and how lonely it is to not have any friends. Though the majority of these problems can be solved with a quiet room for just you, and people like you. However, ADHD is an absolute beast... Here's Jonathan. He's 14 years old and he has ADHD. His current hyperfixation is The Legend of Zelda. Jonathan has to write about the civil war, but his brain is so incredibly messy, and he has no motivation to learn about something he has zero interest in. Because he has ADHD, rewards do not make him more motivated to work, that is not how it works. When would I ever need to use this infHow long is the master sword actually?o. It's... It's- uh..How many Links have there been so far? Wind waker...Hero of Time...hm... oh right Link, the hero that fights wars, that reminds me of my assignment... uhh.. I was gonna write about iDoes Link and Zelda like each other? Which generation of the-t they.. Uhm, oh sorry what was I saying? I should write about the civil war right... but it's so boring, I really really really really really reallu realluy realelrly realylyl realylymlm realvc reALlY reallLY REAALYLlyg don't want to search about it... it's so much work... I just.I'm gonna open youtube, I can't... I just can't...I can't do this...Ooh a tears of the kingdom playlist!!

@Clovergem_in_the_snow

17 күн бұрын

Here’s Clover: Oooh okay interesting bio wo- lights are too bright- WHY IS YOUR VOICE YELLOW? SHUSH- math? Math? Okay, math- oh yayyyy Minecraft son- nope. Too loud. Now more work- but fun? Nope. Running out of idea- YES! now i wait- …wait, what was it? ADHD and SPD is an annoying combo in school 😅

I love the Carl Sagan quote “My experience is, you go talk to kindergarten kids or first-grade kids, you find a class full of science enthusiasts. And they ask deep questions. “What is a dream, why do we have toes, why is the moon round, what is the birthday of the world, why is grass green?” These are profound, important questions. They just bubble right out of them. You go talk to 12th grade students and there’s none of that. They’ve become leaden and incurious. Something terrible has happened between kindergarten and 12th grade and it’s not just puberty.”

@c1borgen

Жыл бұрын

Parents shut up us for being annoying with these questions. We get afraid of asking again and so the critical thinking dies.

@racool911

Жыл бұрын

They learn how to use Google

@bananak.37

Жыл бұрын

There are always high level questions to ask, the kindergarteners will ask questions about the nature of the world they know (what the sky is, why colors are like how they are,etc) but older kids, in middle childhood, have budding moral systems, they’ll ask about death, purpose, and more. Google isn’t the solution. Also, Google is often an answer given to a kid, by a parent, who doesn’t want to answer them. They learn to shut up and Google, not debate and engage their ideas with adults.

@cinamoonmoon5166

Жыл бұрын

people are curious for sure, but they dont want to work for the knowledge they say they want

@DawnMK2023

Жыл бұрын

Kids say a lot of philosophical questions, yes. But ask them to perform surgery, drive a car, do calculus, cure diseases, develop new energy sources...all garnered through success, failures, determination, and motivation to not roll over and give up.

It's crazy to me that there are literally hundreds, if not thousands, of videos, essays, articles, etc. about this, and yet nothing has changed

@theboombody

2 жыл бұрын

Proof that talking about it doesn't get it done. Have to lead by example, like Stone Cold Steve Austin did in 2001.

@ShinyTillDawn

2 жыл бұрын

Because money. Also, it's a lot of work to change the education system. If 1 local school changes their education system, then a college may not see the school as legitimate, or the students from 1 school might overall do worse/better than other schools. Then it would have to be uniform for every state/province, and then it would have to be uniform for every country so that stuff like "US students are usually worse at math than Chinese students" does not occur. It's impractical considering the required scope.

@PoptartParasol

2 жыл бұрын

@@ShinyTillDawn lmao no they're just lazy and they dont care. The more uneducated drop-outs who are forced to take on part-time or full time jobs that pay next to nothing and hardly complain or have the privilege to rise above this, the better. Welcome to capitalism

@ShinyTillDawn

2 жыл бұрын

@@PoptartParasol I simplified all of this in the 1st sentence of the previous reply. The rest of my reply was sort of explaining why a solution would be difficult to execute.

@assortedgem219

2 жыл бұрын

@@ShinyTillDawn Gotta agree with that

Despite being good at English and not doing any studying for midterms, I passed all my English classes, though physics was low, at that point my parents said it was fine because I was absent for a majority of school thanks to illness, they never got mad at me for failing Chinese mathematics or Chinese history, so far the latter is doing good but Im still struggling with the former, and I can barely get my mind off of anything, stop listening to anything without being fearful and anxious of failing, to the point that I want to just stop going to school, to just stop going outside, and I just want to curl up in a ball and disappear, I just want it to stop

@carolinamontiel2525

3 ай бұрын

Im in university and I feel like this. I had deans list last semester, but now I can’t even get sleep on most weekends and this ultimately lead to me getting burnout.

It’s even worse at the corporate level. I worked for a company that had a push where it said ‘INNOVATE, DON’T FEAR MISTAKES!’. Of course there was no budget earmarked for ‘innovation’ (everyone had to make their numbers) and, wow, if you were a penny short the hammer came down. One of the good things about school is that if one learns the right lessons it can prepare one for how the world actually works and the scams that support it.

I dreaded grades. I was an undiagnosed autistic until 27, so my school years were hard. My old Boomer parents believed that grades marked your worth as a child - bad grades meant disobedience, which meant brutal verbal abuse. School was my own personal hell for 12 years. Never understood people who are nostalgic for their childhoods.

@Maw0

2 жыл бұрын

I'm nostalgic for my elementary years.

@thatamericangamer7230

2 жыл бұрын

@@Maw0 im nostalgic for half of mine Pretty good until they changed the food it then went sideways this new school for a couple of weeks didn’t have proper trays so they just put it in paper plates so I am pretty glad my old school was better

@Maw0

2 жыл бұрын

@@thatamericangamer7230 Yeah. Sorry that school sucked.

@junioryoung9662

2 жыл бұрын

I had friends like you... We are the best of friends and really blended close for the same thoughts. Only thing is that we told our parents that we didn't care since we really don't learn a single thing after the year ended anyways so I'd stay dumb. I proved this by getting good grades then let them test me at the end of the school year. Man was i glad that we forgot everything 😃, made life a bit ezr

@Maw0

2 жыл бұрын

@@junioryoung9662 My science teacher always gives us reminders of our Chemistry and Biology classes, and nobody knows anything because nobody retained anything.

You know something’s messed up when students are EXCITED to be sick and stay home.

@ooaktree

Жыл бұрын

true

@nyanya2757

Жыл бұрын

we weren't suppose to be? ._.

@annikaukkonen

Жыл бұрын

I was so excited when my math teacher got hit by a car because it meant she couldn't check my test and give me a bad grade.

@Vividlyforgotten

Жыл бұрын

@@annikaukkonen ngl that actually sounds relatable

@kisakisakuru

Жыл бұрын

Fr

“Everything was a calculation, everything was a decision. Everything was based on what is my teacher looking for. What is the right answer and what is the path of least resistance that will get me there. The purpose of school was to figure out what your teacher wanted, and then give it to them.” The moment I heard that and my gut reaction was “well yeah, duh, of course that’s all school was.” Before realizing how messed up that is was a life changing moment for me I think.

I’m 15 right now, and wow this hits so close to home. I used to be such a curious kid, and I’ve watched my work steadily get worse as I start pulling crap out of my ass, instead of putting everything into projects I used to care about.

@skullmastergamer

6 ай бұрын

I’m 13, and I think the same thing might be happening to me.

@chaoticcow4357

3 ай бұрын

im 14, and I completely relate. Hell, in kindergarten i was excited to do work, to the point I demanded more to do (this pissed my teacher off and my mom got called like twice). Now i'm here, 14 and can barely make myself do anything. The only class I'm doing great in is Digital Design. Not only does it apply to me because I want to persue art as a career, but I'm given freedom. Recently we made a cereal box design, we could do anything we wanted to, we just had to use what we learned. I made a cereal brand called King Parahna-nas. It was dumb and played on tropes of man eating pahranas so i pretended it was made out of people. I'm still so happy about that project. I can't say the same thing about my other classes. I started Biology Honors this year and I was shocked when it was nothing that I needed in that class. I'm not doing the best in it now, despite my passion for biology.

@pancake.squirrel

3 ай бұрын

Yeah. There’s a final AP presentation I’m gearing up for in Seminar, but idk if I should take the risk of carefully considering the research question that interests me because it’s atypical for the class.

@Nolek15

3 ай бұрын

Also 15 here! Yeah idk where my passion went. I used to put real effort into projects, but now I have so much stuff to do, the goal quickly became do everything as fast as possible.

The one meaningful that thing school taught me is how to succeed at something by putting in the least amount of effort possible

@yu_cp8978

2 жыл бұрын

Efficiency?

@brenosilvamorais2510

2 жыл бұрын

@@yu_cp8978 if you consider efficiency as doing everything in the last minute and not actually learning anything, so yes, efficiency

@yu_cp8978

2 жыл бұрын

@@brenosilvamorais2510 No, but doing tasks succesfully with the least amount of effort is.

@brenosilvamorais2510

2 жыл бұрын

@@yu_cp8978 it would if you consider school as a business instead of a place to learn and develop

@yu_cp8978

2 жыл бұрын

@@brenosilvamorais2510 Efficiency is a skill useful for so much things in life. Anyways, I don't want to insist with this since my 1st comment was to show the weakness of OP's argument rather than defending schools. I hated school. I was very unhappy until I got into college. I just don't think grades are the problem.

"If I don't grade attendance, my students won't come to class" "That means your class isn't engaging" That reminds me of some storytelling advice I once got: "If your audience is cheering for the villain, it doesn't mean the villain isn't evil enough, it means your hero is boring" If you're encountering a problem, it might very well be that your approach to the situation is the real issue.

@misssteak1290

2 жыл бұрын

Yes for real though. I had a really cool teacher back in college. He never once did a role-call, yet everyone still showed up at his class because we enjoyed his teaching.

@somedragonbastard

2 жыл бұрын

Attendance is hella ableist too. Why should I be punished for being chronically ill?

@megk1185

2 жыл бұрын

the She-ra reboot being an exception

@cryptidcrow282

2 жыл бұрын

there’s also the point of motive. if a villain motive is morally better than the hero motive, people are gonna support it. the actions of the villains vs the heroes are important too

@DanglerSpangler

2 жыл бұрын

I agree with your comment in principle, but the implication that teachers must entertain their students is problematic. The motivation of students depends on the way the material is presented, yes, but it is ultimately their own responsibility to show up. As a teacher, I am in no way able to control what it is students want. So sure, perhaps students might not be excited to take remedial English, but they need the skills nevertheless.

I was 17, getting ready to go to a state college when a college rep. told me they didn’t even open HS transcripts. The bubble popped; my parents and teachers had been lying to my face for 17 years straight. Grades were less than meaningless, they were in fact insidious. Designed to measure sucking-up points and keep teachers feel validated. I went never did another piece of homework Junior year through Senior year, my folks would start screaming about grades and I would rip the assignments to pieces in front of their eyes. Teachers learned to stop talking to me because I would be completely honest in my apathy towards their powerlessness. I went from near 4.0 to like a 1.8 GPA. I graduated on time with the rest of the top students (could have finished a semester early but decided to take AP exams) and no one has ever seen my transcipts even through my BA.

@richardscathouse

5 ай бұрын

Everyone lies. It didn't take 17 years for me to learn that 😂

@flouglemireindustries4335

2 ай бұрын

Average internet comment. I find the comment much more beneficial and interesting than how ignorant you are to put it.@@richardscathouse

I could get an F, I could get an A, it doesn’t ever phase me because I spend my time in classes teaching myself useful skills like coding. Crazy to think how even if I failed all my classes I’d have a leg up on all my peers because I’ve built up real skills for the world. Shows how useless our education system is.

@DoneWithOtherPeople

6 ай бұрын

That skill might enable you to live comfortably for some period of time, but with the uprise of artificial intelligence your skill just wont be important anymore, sorry.

@feixin_duke

6 ай бұрын

@@DoneWithOtherPeople that can be said about everything, your ignorant to think otherwise

@dragoneater2008_

6 ай бұрын

@@DoneWithOtherPeopleno, it will not. Ai code is terrible because it isn’t tested; who knows if it will break sometime in the future? It could be a day, month, year whatever and will break. I’m not saying that code made by humans will never break (that also will happen whether you like it or not), but code written by humans is better and tested a lot, whereas ai code isn’t really tested.

@DoneWithOtherPeople

6 ай бұрын

@@dragoneater2008_ ehh we'll see what future brings us

@DoneWithOtherPeople

6 ай бұрын

@@feixin_duke No, not really. Jobs that require basic human traits such as caring and empathy won't be overtaken by AI, it seems you're the one that's ignorant in here ☺️.

Hmm, this is probably why videogames are a happy place for a lot of people. No one forces them upon you, the reward most of the time is just getting to experience it and they're actually interesting/engaging, and if you don't like it you can just move on. Which is pretty much the exact opposite of school or most work.

@dudere

3 жыл бұрын

But what if I like playing video games with grading systems?>

@sublimebouquetblaze9198

3 жыл бұрын

@@dudere you're a masochist. /j

@Duhgel

3 жыл бұрын

@@thecommenter2711 As you should, games >>>> school

@xmlthegreat

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah but modern games demand that you treat them like you do a second job. You feel so much pressure to do Ranked in World of Warships, or buy lootcrates in FIFA, or pay attention to your K/D ratio in Call of Duty, etc. because they have become the new grades. Without those numbers or figures you don't feel good about yourself.

@pramada9431

3 жыл бұрын

@@xmlthegreat but to be honest isn't that the things most people complain about stuff in games? And I only play those kinda games for a few days before I give up on them. If I stay it's usually inspite of those mechanics than because of them

The main thing that stands out to me: Sure, *let* students work together, but do not *make* students work together. I always hated group assignments and that was a quick way to sap all the life out of an otherwise interesting assignment.

@skullchimes

2 жыл бұрын

yuh and end up doing all the work yourself cuz everyone else is busy doing nothing

@voiceoreason9884

2 жыл бұрын

@@skullchimes That didn't happen to me too often, and I think I preferred that to what happened more often, which was my classmates giving me orders that I considered stupid and not accepting any suggestions.

@DoggyHateFire

2 жыл бұрын

I absolutely loathe group assignments because I have some social anxiety and it takes me a long time to feel comfortable around new people so I just feel awkward and unwanted the whole time. I hate choosing a partner and nobody chooses me unless they're forced to. When I get comfortable around someone I know I'm likable, friendly, and funny, but I just don't have enough time in class. It kinda gets to why I don't agree with some of the points made in this video. "Interesting" is an extremely subjective thing and what is fun and interesting for one student may be pure psychological torture for another. Also, no matter how "interesting" you make a class there's going to be some students who skip the class. There's understandably going to be teens who would rather skip class and have sex, smoke weed, do just about anything else than see some corny teacher be cringe trying to modernize Plato.

@alleniumcos

2 жыл бұрын

My friend has a project in her robotics class that is late because it was a group project and her partner did no work. And you can’t bring the thing home, it’s one of those school only things.

@indrickboreale7381

2 жыл бұрын

Most of the time one smart kid did most of the team's job. If you didn't have got one, the situation was on fire

I’ve hated school the way it is for a while. I’ve always loved learning, but school isn’t learning when the focus is put on the idea that if you don’t meet a certain standard, you’re a failure. You’re worthless. You don’t deserve a good place in the world. I used to love reading, and it’s not like I hate it now, but there was this dynamic put on it. “Read this amount of books by the end of the quarter or else”. If something is threatened to be taken away from you, or even given to you for a certain task’s completion, it diminishes your resolve and compassion for that task. But no matter how much I preach, everyone seems to just think I’m losing my passion for learning.

Here’s what grades meant to be i basically barely passed everything in school, right on the line Passing for me, meant not getting the consequences for not passing It meant not needing to suffer more under a system i hate It wasn’t a joyous moment of accomplishment, it was a moment of relief, a moment of avoiding consequences

When I was 14 I once got an automatic F on a math test because the teacher was 100% convinced I cheated. Why? Because I did long division in my head without jotting down the steps. Wouldn't give me the chance to prove myself either. :/

@connorconnor2421

2 жыл бұрын

The hell?

@faet1563

2 жыл бұрын

Now that's some bs right there

@jzyjewski

2 жыл бұрын

I remember math classes in middle school taking 10 pts off my test grades for not showing work. So what did that motivate me to do? Spitefully refuse to show my work. Good motivation.

@connorconnor2421

2 жыл бұрын

@@jzyjewski lmao gottem

@milx7210

2 жыл бұрын

well if the instructions told you to write down the steps, thats on you. But otherwise, you should've just called them out, dont be afraid to yell either because teachers won't be afraid to cut you off while you're making your point

The danger of grading: My brother very quickly determined that if he got good grades, he'd be expected to keep getting good grades and then his friends would make fun of him. So, his scholastic history would be him getting barely passing grades and then slowly climbing until he was getting actively _good_ grades at which point he'd realize he was gaining achievements at his actual level, and his grades would immediately tank to start the process over again. Not only did he not want to be mocked for getting good grades and being seen as a nerd, but he realized that if he stayed mediocre, he would be expected to be mediocre and there would be no risk he could disappoint anyone because they didn't expect anything out of him, so he made sure that he never achieved beyond that level.

@desotaku5202

3 жыл бұрын

My school life was different, but similar in result. I skipped most of school (what americans would call highschool) but after a couple weeks i showed to write an A. So most of my grades were A's, but the infrequent attendance made my final grades C's. I just couldn't handle school, i was quick to learn, but none of the topics made me stay for longer than 2 days. It felt like a dictatorship i had to flee from constantly, not a place where i could develop myself

@Mauzeah

3 жыл бұрын

I USED TO DO THIS TOO!!! I had big fights with my parents through middle school because I once made the mistake of telling them "If I get bad grades, people won't keep holding me to an impossible standard." For the rest of my K-12 career they threw that comment in my face as proof that I was lazy, when I was just trying to survive.

@safala

3 жыл бұрын

I sometimes wish I had done this. Being a smart and straight A's student came with it's perks but those perks weren't worth losing my creativity and my ability to learn the things I want to learn.

@IshtarNike

3 жыл бұрын

Is this attitude still common? Seems like a thing of the last century. Students with good grades are admired or grudgingly respected here. Seldom bullied unless they're weak/awkward/ugly. Grades are not the determining factor.

@desotaku5202

3 жыл бұрын

@@IshtarNike depends on the class, and their *class*

I have not looked at my grades in two months. Compared to when i constantly checked my grades, i noticed multiple things 1. My overall mood has increased. 2. I've been paying attention to smaller things in class a lot more, learning more in general 3. Ive been focusing a lot more due to my better mood, and I've been much more talkative and interested in what im learning in class, feeling more excited when walking into school

@joice_anne_abonitalla

5 ай бұрын

i wish i also do that but i'm in hs already

@CapBloxian

4 ай бұрын

I don’t really think that’s a good idea

@CheerfullyCynical829

3 ай бұрын

So what do you want to do for a career? Which college do you want to go to?

Reminded of how my foster parents took my trumpet away and I was forced to drop out of band class because my math grade was low despite the fact I've historically been bad at math. Like I have report cards from 1st grade that have stated that I'm not doing well and that I need extra help. Being forced to drop band did not improve my grade, but it sure as fuck made me into a very resentful, angry, and very depressed teenager that turned into a bitter adult. I also never received any extra help in math. I am also now an adult who has a gotdamn anxiety attack over being asked unexpected math questions that are fairly simple.

@richardscathouse

5 ай бұрын

It's funny. I never had any trouble with math in home ec or shop. Only the meaningless papers covered with meaningless numbers I froze up on. 😅

@amyrenee1361

4 ай бұрын

Hey man, math isn't everything. We have calculators right?

@whytho212

4 ай бұрын

Not when you're expected to do mental math @@amyrenee1361

@Sarah_34210

3 ай бұрын

Don't worry bro/sis, half the stuff we learn in math at school ain't gonna be asked in real life unless you have kids that need help or smth.(like seriously who is gonna ask me what x-27=147 is???). Besides, even if you do need that stuff ever, you can always ask others for help! 🙂

@whytho212

3 ай бұрын

@@Sarah_34210Buddy, I'm a couple years shy of 30. I know. But that wasn't what I was talking about. I'm talking about the fact that nobody cared to see what deep rooted problem I had when it came to math and why I historically have always been bad with it because all I needed to get a passing grade was short term memory, a few notes, and a calculator. Grading is what dictated the quality of my school and home life and if my grades sucked, then I was punished and it made my mental state worse. My depression got worse. I also developed anxiety and perfectionist streak thats been wreaking havoc for years now. Because of fucking grades.

I was a choir teacher for 5 years and only graded based on whether or not students acted respectfully toward the learning process. I.e. if they were disruptive to the learning/rehearsal. Long story short, everyone got an A and almost all of them learned to or improved their ability to read music without pressure. One principal did not like this approach so he asked me to include more statistics based off of collected dated (testing and assignments). My solution to this was to make up assignments and tests in my grade book and cook the books. Everyone still got an A if they were respectful in the room. I didn’t even force anyone to sing who didn’t want to, because I knew eventually they’d get into it, and they all did. I was blessed to be teaching choir,which let’s face it, no one cares about your choir grade.

@tbc1880

3 жыл бұрын

@@dueldu70 there's also just how school can make you hate things. School made me hate literature. It wasn't till I had a teacher who basically let the class do whatever I wanted that I got engaged with it and enjoyed it because I was allowed to enjoy and find what I loved in the content itself. If we wanted to the entire class could have been a second recess. Infact sometimes the teacher wasn't just standing by with the off rails discussions and chatter but at times engaged with it and was like screw teaching hows fallout 4? You may call him bad but when we wanted to learn he was there. It was then on I understood what I liked about literature was and why school always made me dislike it. And now it's actually fun and enjoyable for me.

@qwertydavid8070

3 жыл бұрын

Holy shit a teacher that teaches correctly??? We need mor people like you in the world!!

@trickstercj4366

3 жыл бұрын

@@tbc1880 I used to love math thanks to how my previous math teachers handled math. Even the tougher ones were endearing to say the least (or had something happen that I'm like karma baby). Whenever my other grades were lacking, Math would usually be crowned as by best grade. Until I went to college where it instantly became this force feeding mountain of a roadblock that no matter how much help I received or how hard I studied those grades in the end prevented me from getting a lick of what I initially wanted as a career choice. The second one of my math professors admittedly said that the math system there was poor to all of her students, I broke and the worst thing was that she wasn't even a horrible teacher. and I pretty much gave up on that career path. Goodness to say I grew to hate math.

@tbc1880

3 жыл бұрын

@@trickstercj4366 yeah that kinda sucks. I have a similar thing with college math except the classes that blocked me were made of primarily content my field wouldn't used and was a pre requisite to a course that didn't need anything from said class. Didn't help that the going online was more helpful than the tutors. Legit was forced to go there after one exam. Asked for clarification on how I'd do a problem (Wanted a method to figure out how to find something for comparison type tests) and was told I just have to know. Yeah that was a lot of help. Even my major which was in CS killed my love for it and roadblocked me on stuff related to the course not the content. First time the teacher backloaded content at the very end and I figuring 3 weeks wouldn't make up the whole final decided to take the hit there (I wasn't up to it do to extraneous circumstances) and polish what I did very well in the past. Which is how I screwed up the first time with that assignment alone. (Teacher also didn't emphasize the point of the class being optimization and data structures so I missed another assignment based on the knight's journey. Subsequent classes taught better so I'm glad I failed in a way but also had worse assignments where I fought the code the teacher gave more than the questions itself. From the way they gave to read files not working to methods they gave and told me not to change giving errors on some compilers than others it was just a mess. I could take a similar course but in C++ instead of Java but it would change my major. But honestly if I was doing it for myself it would still be a pain but I could have rewrote the code to work for me, wouldn't have had the pressure to try and figure it out so I could take more breaks and do other things and it just would be less of a I'm struggling to solve an issue within a time limit vs I'm struggling to figure something out but I got time and more options. Yeah sometimes you can't just rewrite what your working on if an issue happens but if it never worked in the first place you kinda got to. Weird thing is a lot of the time the stuff should work and worse is the teacher can't exactly do a lot especially with online courses. People try and give their solutions but sometimes it just doesn't work. 3 compilers and updated Java, and issues still occur. It just makes me never want to touch the language again.

@trickstercj4366

3 жыл бұрын

@@tbc1880 funny because CS was what I was trying to persue in the first place

Damn, I didn't know my name was Maria.

@windjager2177

3 жыл бұрын

Unsolved mystery has been solved. Seigi VA's name is Maria

@likethecolorgreen

3 жыл бұрын

I was confused but I get your joke.

@arnoldchristine2020

3 жыл бұрын

my daughter must be Maria too although not on her birth certificate....me too but more with my superiors...

@savvivixen8490

3 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣

@xpirate16

3 жыл бұрын

You remind me of a West Side Story

I had a class where the teacher graded us entirely on participation and effort. We were all encouraged to ask questions and go on deep dives. It is still my favorite class of all time.

For me, school has always been determining what the teacher wants. I've said objectively true facts and been physically yelled at for it. Every time one of my friends got something wrong when they were right, I told them school isn't about whats true, its about what people want to hear. I used to ask all of the questions, I was the kid who spouted out-of-nowhere facts somehow pertaining to the topic. That has only gotten me into trouble and hostile situations with other students or even teachers. I've had many a teacher ask why their students aren't learning anything. The answer, the teachers aren't teaching. They give us lists of facts to memorize and them forget after exams or tests. We don't have debates, because in these arguments there is a right and a wrong. That's why my favorite subject in middle school was math. There was a right and a wrong answer, but the further you go with math the less absolute the answers are until its just as dubious as all of the other subjects. School doesn't work how its supposed to and the students are the people getting blamed for it.

As silly as this must sound... This totally explains why I can write 10k words in a language that is not even my own of a silly little fan fiction, but will procrastinate until the last seconds to write a single one page essay for a grade.

@kitsuneakage22

2 жыл бұрын

exactly, is the passion and interest, school doesnt feed them, it rewards memorization and timed questions/projects which pressure us to do well but not feel well about the product we arent invested bc its not our interest

@mym64

2 жыл бұрын

I wrote 10000 of fanfiction in an hour and 100 of my homework...

@ghostlyyyyyy

2 жыл бұрын

As a non english speaking person who likes writing characters AND is a big procrastinator, this is so true

@easports2618

2 жыл бұрын

Pls show story idk english not two strong 💪🏻

@numberstheidiot

2 жыл бұрын

I never thou about it that way, but now that I do i see why I do the same thing. It appears i am not the only one who has once questioned why they put more effort into their own stuff over school.

A grade is just product quality. You learn to memorize and replicate. That's pretty much how modern schooling is. The grade just shows how well you're able to perform rather than really learn. Hence the reason why most parents can't really help their children with their school homework, because they forgot. You're taught to only know and memorize the important stuff needed to pass the test at the end, but you end up walking out with a grade and losing that knowledge because it is no longer needed.

@lusciouslocks8790

2 жыл бұрын

100% I would absolutely bomb even a basic chemistry test, and it’s only been 4 years

@justanothereconomist198

2 жыл бұрын

I think this boils down to how someone values what they are being taught. I operated many of undergraduate and some masters classes with this framework of learning, but only under the rationalized expectation that given what I planned on doing would not justify the need for it. My mode of learning for things that I did value and plan on using was very different..... Also, I think mode of teaching is very different depending on educational level. Try telling a PhD in a experimental science background that everything they wrote and researched was just memorizing papers and spitting it back into a thesis....

@taiguy53

2 жыл бұрын

@@justanothereconomist198 It pretty much does yes. Schooling in general forces students to learn core subjects when they're typically the ones that are less desirable, compared to the non-core classes/electives that students are free to choose. It's fair that basic knowledge in reading, writing, and arithmetic is important, but when a student doesn't like a particular subject, they'd tend to either do the bare minimum to pass the class, or memorize what they can to get them a grade they aspire to get. But each student is different. They all learn differently and like different subjects/classes. A lot of factors go in to the education of a student. There are cases where students do well in a subject they despite, but it was because they liked the teacher that was teaching it.

@adbt_

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, the only thing people memorize in school is math because it actually may be useful, same with basic English and some other languages.

@demi4710

2 жыл бұрын

I know, my best friend Orla shoved all the adjectives, big words, noun phrases and all other things she could into her work, and it was the most cringeworthy and hard-to-read paper I've ever read. I prefer to go more minimalist style, instead of "The amazing lovely bright blue sky shined as my glowing beautiful amber eyes shone in the lovely sky" I write more like " The sapphire sky glowed as my ethereal amber eyes stared longingly into the sun", using more sophisticated words to fuse that wordy sentence together. (lol i just realized this sounds like a grammarly ad)

As someone who is currently in middle school, I can confirm that grades shouldn't exist along with saying that my African mother's expectations are too high, sitting through class ( even though I'm homeschooled ) still feels just as much like a chore as washing dishes does. ALMOST EVERY SINGLE WEEK I GET ATLEAST ONE ASSIGNMENT THAT IS SO ANNOYING TO DO THAT EVEN I HAVE TO CHEAT and also I'm an A B student, imagine that for someone who gets C's D's or F's.

@absoultethings4213

5 ай бұрын

Hell. I’ve skipped grades, and love literature and argument but my teacher is so bad at not assigning way too much half the time I just lie so I don’t have to do the work because it’s miserable to do

@ReiAyanami69420

5 ай бұрын

@@absoultethings4213 Damn

@flouglemireindustries4335

2 ай бұрын

I'm currently an F student, former A 7-8 years running, and fucked up during the pandemic in 8th grade, never truly recovered because I have adhd and my mom won't facilitate me any assessment or help that could make school easier for me. I make art and I think I'm reaching a depressive episode very soon, I'm a junior in high school right now. Trying my best. School is just a nightmare that I wake up to every day, and I just have to talk to as many people that can remind me that it can be a good dream if I want it to be one. Still everything is forced on to me anyways that I forget that I should be happy, learning, and having fun while learning.@@ReiAyanami69420

I was afraid to watch this video for a long time because my self-worth was fully tied up in my high grades. I think that sentence speaks for itself for how necessary this video was

@BlueSunStudios1

3 ай бұрын

Same here. I have always been heralded as an incredibly smart child from an early age because I watched and figured out how to operate things like the tv younger than most kids my age and at some point watched how my mother started up the car and tried to mimic it. I also learned how to play video games that other kids my age struggled to to figure out like the infamously gimmicky Donkey Kong Country 3 for the Super Nintendo (and got 103% complete too without a guide book). When I got good grades in school, especially in a private Christian middle school, I was basically hailed as the family savant. My self worth had become tied to my school success and the praise I got from it from my family. Then public school happened, and what followed was a sharp tailspin into depression from many things going on in my life once my sheltered bubble was unceremoniously burst that I am still dealing with a decade later after graduating from high school finally. My self esteem had effectively been shot and drug out into the street to be shot again just to make sure it was dead. I only very recently found out that I had untreated ADHD my whole life which I realized explains a lot of my behavior and thinking processes now.

When I went to school I hated it. When my mum would ask "How was school today?" I'd answer "Bad" pretty much every time, I had several friends whom I still miss today, I wasn't bullied or anything, I was pretty good in class, good grades and behavior and all that, but there was never any joy. So my mum would say "Well you might not like lessons and work but at least you get to see your friends!" and I'd say "I'd rather not have to go to school just to see my friends." Otherwise she might say "It's the weekend soon!" or "It's the holiday soon!" (we're British, so you guys might call it vacation). I didn't know how to express it at the time, but I hated the idea of spending 5 days out of 7 just waiting for a weekend, and then you don't even get to enjoy the weekend because you have to spend it recovering from the previous week, and preparing for the next. (Having to do homework on weekends certainly didn't help with this calculation.) The thing that made me stop complaining was when she said "Wait until you're in secondary school, it's much more fun and you'll enjoy it." I told myself "I'm just a kid, I guess they must be right, everyone goes to school I suppose it's just a fact of life..." So secondary school comes around and guess what. It's just as bad and I still hate it... The same discussion happens again "The holidays are soon" "You can spend time with your friends" etc. etc... I told myself a second time "I'm just a kid, they must be right, everyone else seems to be enjoying school, I just got unlucky..." At some point I started to lie, she would ask "Did you have a good time at school today?" and I'd say "Yep". I was sick of hearing the same things every time I said I didn't like it, part of me hoped that if I lied to myself I might start to believe it, part of me knew that my mum worried about these things so I didn't want to upset her. So eventually secondary school comes to an end too. I'm pretty sure I'm the only person who didn't attend the achievement ceremony (of the people who passed, that is) [I don't want to call it a graduation ceremony because I'm pretty sure that's an American college thing, this was for a European baccalaureate if anyone knows the proper word for it]. I can't deny they did a good job of teaching me, I am pretty good at maths, physics, chemistry, I speak a couple extra languages, I can read a map, I'm slightly more musically educated than the norm... University comes, my teachers had been telling me that university was the place for me, I was looking forward to it. Living away from home for the first time was great, making new friends was great, being responsible for my own timetable and daily routine was great. This lasted about six months until I realised I was just doing more of what I had been hating my whole life, but this time I'm taking on student debt for it. So I dropped out. My parents encouraged me to try university again, so I took a gap year to chill out and tried again. I dropped out a second time. "You've just got to find the right course" someone told me... so I tried a third time and dropped out a third time. The problem was that I was looking for the dream I had been promised when I was in primary school. The "You'll enjoy it when you're in secondary school" promise that had overlapped onto university. I was told I would enjoy it and I didn't. Every assignment I completed was a chore. My dad told me "But you find it fulfilling don't you?" I didn't. When I was 19 years old answering maths questions about chemical reactions and quantum mechanics, it annoyed me just as much as when I was 9 years old and answering maths questions about counting boxes, or trigonometry problems. It was more of the same. At this stage I wasn't able to say "I'm just a kid" any more. I had to do something, and listening to what people were telling me to do wasn't going to work any longer, they obviously weren't right, and hadn't been right all along. I'm now 24 years old, I'm still living with my parents, I've still never had a job, I've dropped out of university 3 times. In the last couple of years of me trying to find something else to do I've taken up hobbies. I gave Duolingo a try after a friend showed it to me. I found that learning languages is actually pretty fun, which makes me wonder why I hated doing it at school so much. I have been making things, board games, models and so on, using my 3d printer. When designing the geometries of the things I print, I need to do a certain amount of trigonometry and I've learned that doing those calculations is actually quite enjoyable also, which makes me wonder why I hated doing it at school so much. Even the simple act of running I've found to be fun... I sometimes wish I had more opportunities to be late for a train so that I'm forced to run and catch it, because running is fun, which makes me wonder why I hated doing it at school so much. Looking back, I see all the things I was made to do as a child, things that I might have enjoyed doing if I hadn't been made to do them... it just makes me sad. Lots of people my age are coming to the "I wish I had listened" stage, where they realise how much of their education they missed out on by misbehaving in class and not doing any work. I like to think I didn't miss out on my education and the only thing I can say about it is that I wish I hadn't listened. Thanks if you've read the whole comment. I don't know how many people are going to read this, but I wrote it just to get it off my shoulders as much as anything else.

@cakeisyummy5755

2 жыл бұрын

So, how do you earn Money if you don't have a Job?

@thomasfrewer1328

2 жыл бұрын

@@cakeisyummy5755 let me know if you find out...

@cloudy772

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing this

@goldenegg7447

2 жыл бұрын

even as a student still in highschool, I hate learning in school. It sucks. Learning outside of school is fun. I watched videos learning about advanced calculus on youtube for fun. Later the same year I learned that same stuff in school. Learning on your own and finding what you enjoy is so much better than learning as a part of school. fuck school.

@lovre7632

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for sharing this, it is a really nice story

fun fact: my high school was actually designed by an architect who was known for designing prisons! and I can wholeheartedly confirm that it felt like one too!

@SantiagoMonroy5

3 жыл бұрын

lol

@Arkansym

3 жыл бұрын

Mine was originally a military base. It too, felt like that.

@banant5620

3 жыл бұрын

Visiting a prison and a military base is cool but staying there for years certainly is not imo yes

@Shaathurray

3 жыл бұрын

SMNW was aswell i believe

@vivaciouslyla9294

3 жыл бұрын

My school was originally a prison 😂 I felt this

i am currently 13 and i am in a private school. whenever i ask too many questions or have to go to the restroom way too many times (i have excessive peeing). i get punished. in class, i always answer the easiest questions because i am scared of my successful friends's picture of me. sometimes whenever i get a question wrong i feel more scared of doing it. sometimes i just feel like i dont want to answer questions or do a project and that fear just keeps making me have worse grades. i cry every time i get bad grades on a test and my teachers dont care if i dont understand the class. there's that one time where my teacher saw me crying because i got a C- on a test and he just stared at me and left.

I am autistic. As an autist, I can't just go along with whatever. I am curious, and I can't just stop that. My autism protects me from conformity, and so I've never stopped asking questions that my teachers didn't always like. But, honestly, I like that. I enjoy considering questions that the rest of the class simply won't. I feel smart when my AP calculus teacher doesn't answer my question about complex derivatives or roots of unity-- I can always find answers online. I hate school because I love learning, not dealing with people. I can't wait to go to college, it'll be easeir than this; it has to be-- college is more focused, more academi, more in-depth, etcetera: I won't be bored becasue the classes that call themselves "Calculus" can't teach more than a single formula a month; I won't be quite as bogged down with paperwork from six differet classes that only hint at what you're actually trying to learn; and I won't be quite as exhausted by meaningless nonsense. I want to cure ageing, learn 日本語 to fluency, do Quantum Physics and Vector Calculus, learn to code in Linux and C++, understand all the math there is to understand, and not be bogged down by stupidity.

@ret2pop

7 ай бұрын

I went through the same thing as you, sort of; I didn't do AP Calculus but in high school I learned Multivariable calculus, ODEs and PDEs on my own; in grades 9 to 11 i did a lot of programming, specifically on gnu/linux with C and assembly and I learned a lot about how computers worked too during that time. During my grade 11 and 12 years I learned a lot of classical electrodynamics, and I never was very good at school because I would just spend all my time learning stuff that I wanted to. I am now in university, and it is not better. I have to redo a lot of things that I already know and are not interesting to me. You can take challenge exams but those aren't perfect. If i took a challenge exam at the time that I learned the things, I would've done well, but at this point i'm happy with just knowing the general idea of how to solve integrals, for example, and I don't need to think about solving them fast or solving them with different methods -- integral calculators exist for a reason. TL;DR I learned things too and university is really boring, and as a result I am not going to do acedemia.

@SSS12375

5 ай бұрын

You can not cure ageing. Everything grows older over time, and you can't stop the circle of life.

@accounta4311

4 ай бұрын

College is better!! I promise as a fellow person with autism, keep up the work! Get the full scholarship ride and make sure to get any accommodations you can get your hands on, good luck ✨

@usernametaken017

3 ай бұрын

The "classes that only hint of what you're actually trying to learn" part hits so close to home, especially considering my terrible luck with physics and history teachers. Funny how two very different subjects can be faulty of the same teaching mistakes

@kevinschmidt5303

Ай бұрын

I'm going through the same thing but in college lol. I have autism and ADHD. Funnily enough I'm extremely interested in Linux and coding!! Absolutely love it and can't get enough of it. Hasn't been the focus in school tho so I've been struggling to maintain interest 😭 I am glad to hear college has been better for fellow autists tho 🙂 keep up the good work guys!!! Stay curious 😊

This video is like every shower thought I had as a crying teenager.

@acceptable1514

3 жыл бұрын

@@devonrichardson44 well its on you to manage your stress, you shouldn't have relied on energy drinks knowing the consequences

@mir1999

3 жыл бұрын

@@acceptable1514 What are you talking about?

@acceptable1514

3 жыл бұрын

@@mir1999 i guess the comment was deleted, it was about a guy relying on energy drinks to focus in class and now he has a habit of drinking them often

@seraphywang4638

3 жыл бұрын

@@acceptable1514 To be fair to the deleted comment, if the school wasnt putting so much stress on the student, the student wouldnt rely on energy drinks just to stay motivated. Its like blaming yourself of a coffee addiction when your company has absurd deadlines that are unreasonably stressful.

@jelen2579

3 жыл бұрын

@@seraphywang4638 true, I started to drink coffee since quarantine since it's readily available here, and I ended up I craving for it more and more :((

It's appalling how a photographic memory will get you way ahead in most schools and colleges than actual intelligence. Every time I do an exam, especially for SST, I get marks cut because of "improper framing of the answer" which is to say that I lose marks because I couldn't quote the school book.

@SaraWolffs

2 жыл бұрын

That phrasing sounds... really dystopian. Like, I expect to hear that as the explanation given to a student who loses points for not toeing the party line in China.

@Michelle-ns7vp

2 жыл бұрын

fr tho i got a ''pity mark'' from my tech teacher cause i didn't answer the question ''why do we need to cook food?'' correctly Like the way the book said ig

@ShinyTillDawn

2 жыл бұрын

Also schools: **expel people for copy-pasting answers because it's "plagiarism"**

@brandonpeterson3434

2 жыл бұрын

I've had a similar thing. I moved from Canada to the states and the way I was taught math was different. My grade plummeted because I didn't do it right. And the correct answer was not counted because the work was wrong or not shown.

@jmlkhan5153

2 жыл бұрын

@@brandonpeterson3434 I remember getting docked points on math tests because I was able to do the math in my head, and didn't bother writing the work down. This was so discouraging that now I don't do math anymore, ever.

Last year we had to write about our favorite season of the year. Fall is my favorite season, so I got really into this paper. Over the course of a day, I wrote the perfect paper. Spending the most time on it as possible, going through many iterations. It captured everything I loved about fall, and I was so proud of it. When I actually care about something I am writing about, my true style of writing shows though and it becomes very descriptive and elaborate. I can admit the way I write is odd. In a way, it reminds me of how lovecraft described everything. My admiration for his work has rubbed off on me. Maybe it just wasn't what the teacher was looking for, maybe they were looking for an essay. It would have been a typical essay I would have written nonchalantly because it wasn't interesting or didn't align with my writing style. Whatever it was, my perfect showing of my feelings on fall, was marked with a C. I have not written in my style since, and for some screwed up reason, my grades are better. Here's what I wrote, because this is still one of the best things I have written. "The waft assists the cool breath of Autumn, distributing its mellow circumstances unbridled far and wide across the lushness of crimson woodland. Following the chant of rustling, leaves plucked from the tree's foliage. While the wind drifts, it seems they become animate, dancing their own particular steps. No two leaves perform the same motion. They each display individuality in an entirely different manner, and with time they stagger down until they join the hoard throughout the underbrush. The breeze propels the fragrant Maple deriving from the secretion of trees. A trace of wood smoke from chimney tops; then the outlying growl of thunder as though emanating from depths of the loch. Haze rests on the gloss of the rippling water; reflecting a wash from the orange radiance of a setting sun. This is what I mean by beauty. A long-tailed bird has presented itself to leisure upon a bough, serenading its rendition of Autumn. The song is a symphony. The symphony is a composition. With Fall's symphony surrounding me, I can view its elegance. There is not at all one aspect that I do not adore. My sentiments carried onwards along the leaves. Autumn is the season of beauty, I declare, but only complete after it ends. Completion must be achieved only when the last leaf dances away. The symphony will cease, leaving behind the memory of Autumn's music. But who knows if the memory of this beauty may not linger even beyond?"

@ZechsMerquise73

7 ай бұрын

I notice when I get a reaally, really good feeling about a piece of my writing its usually more manic energy puffing me up. especially when I feel the piece is above criticism. You paint a very fitting and unique fall image. However, I see you've got multiple descriptors that mean the same thing in the same sentence. Some adjectives here are very ambiguous, like "lushness". The ending repeats itself multiple times, is very introspective, and use of a question can seem trite. I can see why someone would score it low, even if it gets a 10/10 in the feeling category, especially if the submission ignored assignment instructions and learning objectives. Did the teacher not leave any commentary? Sometimes its better not to pick as work a subject that is close to you. Or just do what you want and forget grades. It'll maybe average out high if you have passion and keep improving. Give them hell and they'll see you; a few might even learn to understand you.

@funnychannel5068

4 ай бұрын

What the hell how could your teacher mark this C. It's a piece of art.

@breadthegreat461

4 ай бұрын

Damn brother you’re the new William Shakespeare

The more I learn about how messed up our education system is, the stronger my passion for teaching grows. If I can't make a change myself, I will inspire our youth to do it. I will bring hope to the world, and it's all because of the teachers and role models who inspire me to make the world a better place.

My best friend of over a decade killed himself because his grades were dropping in college and he honestly thought he would never be able to succeed in life because school never taught him that learning from your mistakes is the most important part of education.

@penbot6806

3 жыл бұрын

im sorry for your loss

@whateveridoyouwillgetpisse9846

3 жыл бұрын

I'm sorry for that. I hope you're okay.

@yurichtube1162

2 жыл бұрын

I know his feelings extremely well. He wasn't strong enough mentally to survive the experience. A pity. May he rest in peace.

@h3xad3cimaldev61

2 жыл бұрын

As the 69th like to this comment I say rest in peace

@hotchocolate2478

2 жыл бұрын

May he rest in peace.

POV: It's the end of semester and your grades and motivation drops

@Penyo9

3 жыл бұрын

can't drop harder if it has already hit rock bottom. *Think smart*

@jwhsjsjyshsnnk5428

3 жыл бұрын

literally me right now.

@anjalitenshi3625

3 жыл бұрын

yeah literally 2 more school days left and here I am at 4am

@zbyte64

3 жыл бұрын

Senioritus enters the chat

@ghostie4485

3 жыл бұрын

@@anjalitenshi3625 just hit 4 for me now, and yes i have 1 week left

As a student, I repeatedly try to make my teachers enjoy teaching, but the problem with my highschool is that they teach you, but they don't try to have you learn

"Students need to work together, not be in competition with one another." I've had teachers who not only don't acknowledge that, but seem to be against students helping each other. Just around a week ago, a teacher of mine got mad at and berated a student, because she was helping a girl understand the lesson. They weren't even bothering anyone, they sat together and barely made any noise. I couldn't even notice until the teacher brought it up.

@emylily8266

2 жыл бұрын

thats so damn weird, teaching ppl through exercises and all that is literally one of the best way to absorb the content yourself.

@78anurag

2 жыл бұрын

Hello guys welcome back to this video today I'm going to teach you how to commit crimes against humanity and get away with them

@shadowmoonwalker1554

2 жыл бұрын

Everyone hates my Spanish teacher because we can't talk, he goes through lessons too quick sometimes, and then no one asks questions because he's so damn terrifying. Most kids have a 86 of lower, some already dropped out or switched classes to study hall or something. If we could communicate most of us would definitely have A's. every year up to now, I've had an A in Spanish. If someone were to talk I bet he would flip out and make them write rules or give a lunch detention to those talking. Even my parents don't like him.

@apolloandwarrior_3229

2 жыл бұрын

@@shadowmoonwalker1554 That dude is the total opposite of Señora. She is so sweet and patient, even if you don't understand the material you can still pass. I'm on my second year of Spanish and I've never had anything bad to say about her. In fact if you ask how to say something in spanish [if it's appropriate] she'll translate it right away. But seriously, no talking, in a language class!? What kind of crack is this guy smoking?

@shadowmoonwalker1554

2 жыл бұрын

@@apolloandwarrior_3229 I have no idea. We're doing preterite and it's kinda confusing. Where I would normally ask the person next to me, I have to ask the absolutely f*cking terrifying teacher.

"Without grades, how will students know how well they're doing?" Short answer: You talk to them

@tiga8600

2 жыл бұрын

Short answer ya watch them do it. Scouts in this example watch the adults the whole time let them free and they will copy you 100% of the time is flattering and horrifying when you thing you wasn't being watched at the moment and make a mistake.

@vvaderr

2 жыл бұрын

long answer: you tell them

@Envy_May

2 жыл бұрын

you help them understand how to assess themselves

@zephsmith3499

2 жыл бұрын

One of the critiques of grading was that some teachers grade harder than others, so grades are only partly objective with a subjective component. Of course, in this video, that imperfection is treated as completely discrediting all grading. I find it hard to simply trust that teachers whose grading is untrustworthy are going to be really great at giving accurate verbal feedback, where there is even more room for subjectivity (on the part of the teacher as well as in how it's actually *heard* by a student).

@harrybudgeiv349

2 жыл бұрын

@@zephsmith3499 this is a good point. While I like the idea she was pushing, my thought was how can you know for sure that students are all being taught the same material?

The funniest thing to me is that I was just like Maria in the beginning of her story. And I stayed like her in the beginning. Only because I was an undiagnosed Autistic kid with horrible ADHD. Teachers wanted me to be quiet and do things like every other kid and I sometimes did, but when you have ADHD and you LOVE a topic the teacher is teaching, and you can't keep your inside thoughts to stay for long enough, you can never shut up for very long. I could be a good student but was framed as a bad one because I never did my work the way teachers wanted. I also would sometimes just not do the work at all because of my autistic driven perfectionism (If I can't do it right, I won't do it at all, or I'll do it MONTHS late, and it'll be amazing). Not only that, but I had/have horrible grades, I'm not/was not in class often, and genuinely would be deemed a lot of teacher's WORST nightmare. But I've come to appreciate it. Sucking at the system has made me actually understand topics deeper than a lot of my classmates. It's also really made me love learning and learning to ignore grades because they really don't matter (the only reason I say this is that my uncle went to Harvard and works at Costco. Tells me how much that education really mattered). I learned to embrace failure and really enjoy it. A lot of teachers actually really enjoyed me and made me their "fav student" because though I never showed it completely in my work, I loved the topics they would teach, and I would never write a paper for a grade. I remember Freshman year of high school, my ethnic study's teacher wanted us to create a piece of multimedia or hand drawn art to reflect what we were learning in class. A month after this was due, I turned in 2 hand drawings I spent weeks on, and a painting that I was so proud of. He oddly enough ACCEPTED IT!!! And my god, he loved it. He couldn't give me an A or B, but he did give me a really nice C and asked if he could keep one. I said sure, and he apparently had it on his wall for a bit after I left his class. That alone felt better than an A ever could. And I've had A's weirdly enough. I worked hard for one but felt nothing from it. My parents were proud, but I sure as hell wasn't. I almost got a 4.0 once, and it felt like shit. After that, I just focused on learning and doing what I enjoyed. Even if that meant my grades were shit. I'm in college at the moment and taking a jumble of a mess of classes, but they are all things I want to learn about and enjoy! I'm doing what makes me happy! And oddly enough, I've had 2 of my friends follow me down this path. My friend's mom even gave some incredible advice to me and her daughter, which I live by: "A grade does not define your intelligence or your understanding of the subject. A grade does not determine your value." And I stand by this. I had a long history of doing poorly in school mainly because I'm a perfectionist, I have ADHD (which causes me to procrastinate and do things waaaayyyy later than normal along with forgetting things), I have trouble with deadlines (ADHD), and because I never seem to be able to do my homework exactly how they want it (I'm always too detailed, I sometimes ramble, I provide too much research?? And sometimes I overanalyze XD). Oddly enough, this is quite common for my dad's family. Yet, all became scientists or engineers XD What I've learned over time, though, is that sometimes being a "bad student" helps you learn more. Along with helping you do things in a way that works for you.

I remember recently I failed my 10th grade shop class midterm. However I was shocked that my grade didn’t really go down, and my teacher even seemed to blame himself. I realized then that I actually showed interest in that class and wanted to grow my abilities. My teacher noticed this and called me a good student because of what I wanted to learn, not from what I didn’t learn. We need that kind of mindset in every class.

"The moment you take away the reward, they have no reason to keep doing it." At the end of every school year, I got an award for perfect attendance. Until one year when I was disqualified, because I had to leave class early so I could seek medical attention after being injured. It made me realize the school didn't care about rewarding effort, only results. My attendance dropped signifi after that.

@zrspangle

2 жыл бұрын

@@ronanzwa3443 excused absence still disqualifies you from perfect attendance

@cheatbluevii9123

2 жыл бұрын

Damn

@user-yn4eg8re9r

2 жыл бұрын

@Callum Smith why do i imagine lemongrab saying that UNACCEPTABLE in his signature way?

@aloe7794

2 жыл бұрын

Whoever thought of giving rewards for attendance in class is super dumb In what world would people be rewarded for simply having better luck than others by not being sick, injured or understandably not being aware of school functioning during a day because say, lessons were moved to a certain hour and something mixed up and they're apparently earlier or it wasn't just really announced?

@mrslagowhoreusrex6300

2 жыл бұрын

@@aloe7794 I grew up in a poor family background & can agree my parents didn't always have the money so I could travel into school so my attendance was never perfect

Creativity is punished in schools. Children are not rewarded for trying something different in most cases but are instead given a bad grade. This indoctrinated them quickly that any creative experimentation is risky and could jeopardise their grades. They stop trying to do something different and instead repeat the same thing over and over again.

@junwei8480

11 ай бұрын

used a different method not taught and lost 2 of the 4 marks in math lol!!

@Clover_knows_pets

10 ай бұрын

I, going into 9th grade, have gotten F- on multiple math assignments just for solving the equations differently, I got every single question correct but since I solved them differently I failed. Luckily I have moved to a much better school, but still I catch myself questioning if I'm solving the problems "in the correct way"

@Nylak-Otter

9 ай бұрын

Math is the excuse here, but the problem is misunderstanding. They were asking you to show how you would use a certain form of calculation and that you understand it. They didn't want the correct answer to the problem without you showing that you understood the assigned calculation. The test is over methodology, not being able to come up with something in your head. More difficult and involved problems may arise where you can't just do it the easy way. Once I figured that out, easy 100% on every assignment and test, no problem.

@charleswest6372

9 ай бұрын

Y I quit going after 6th grade. Its worthless. Homeschool is the best way to learn.

@lumpchunker5516

9 ай бұрын

I find creativity is embraced in schools if you just let the teacher know what you're trying to do ahead of time. I completely blew a big assignment in 6th grade, not because I didn't do the work, but because I went with an approach that the teacher hadn't asked for. I discussed the project with my teacher after the bad grade, and she got it. But how the hell was she supposed to know what I was doing if I deliberately wasn't following instructions? Teachers have 30+ kids to educate every single day. They want us to sit down and shut up DURING CLASS TIME. They WANT us to come to them to get clarification after class.

Im currently in what would be high school in the us, and that example in the start saddens me, because thats just straight up bad teaching. In my class i ask alot of questions and i always try my best to understand everything and all my teachers have been understanding and excited about it

As someone with possible ADHD, I've been working on school a lot and doing good, but everyone says I've gotten much quieter. TBH I can relate to maria. I used to be happy and talkitive and all that but now, no. Because in my school, you cant talk during lunch, in between classes, even at hometime or in the bus. Interaction is a big no. And also, homework and tests. We have tests every other day, and complete things like algebra and ratios within one or two days. Our teachers just write problems on the board and if we do badly in tests, we're idiots who know nothing. Parents dont do much either, You're on your own here. Nobody dares ask a question. Half term is over and people must have asked like 3 questions in all subjects (7 subjects) combined until now. Another thing, This is how it is in the 6th grade.

It always baffled me that there's litteraly a field of science called "science of education" and that experts in those subjects are *never* consulted for anything regarding school or teacher's training

@ryanrussell3241

2 жыл бұрын

This is untrue, at least in the US. Every teacher is educated on these. It's just some don't follow it

@Topyy

2 жыл бұрын

I thought more of using science of education for the global organization of the school system, not on a per teacher basis

@zephsmith3499

2 жыл бұрын

Calling something a science doesn't make it one. In the physical world, abstract science is translated into practical effects through engineering, and engineering is highly informed by feedback from the real world. Plane designs that crash cannot be argued into irrelevance as social bias or something otherwise vague. If the "science of education" is reliably producing substantial positive outcomes when it IS being applied, then I believe that it will over time take over education. If it's output is abstract social theory which get applauded for conforming to the current academic fads, but fails to produce substantive benefits in the real world, then it's best if confined to the halls of academia. That step of translating abstract science into pragmatic real world methods and results, and being guided by those results in terms of which scientists to trust, is crucial. The fuzzier the asserted "science" is, the more critical it becomes that users of the science filter their acceptance through real world feedback. In the fuzzy sciences, think of the theorist as a competing vendor of ideas of what ought to work, and be a smart consumer rather than just blindly trusting one given school of thought within an asserted science - because they tell you they are being sciency about it.

@MrCmon113

2 жыл бұрын

They are constantly consulted, actually way too much. People, who never taught a class of kids, shouting down at the teachers from their ivory tower. They should be forced to teach a bunch of "socially disadvantaged" kids to solve simple equations until their lofty ideas come back to the ground of reality.

@MrCmon113

2 жыл бұрын

@@zephsmith3499 The first thing a teacher friend of mine learned in uni is that essentially all of educational science until very recently was complete rubbish. In my country it's way to common that "scientists" make grand proclamations from their ivory tower, while never really having taught kids.

In college, grades tend to feel like weights. I could get straight A's all semester and a single F makes all the effort worthless in the final grade. Don't even get me started on the teachers that grade on "I like/don't like this" in my major (Visual Design). I just can't understand how you grade creativity and art when it is supposed to be subjective.

@KyoKyoM99

3 жыл бұрын

there's a flipside to this. i study math in university. only recently did i realize how little i cared about the course material, and that was probably because of the fact i have been exclusively learning remotely since march 2020. my grades have slipped and i've kinda slipped into depression. and i noticed it wasn't because i wasn't learning, it's because i didn't receive the reward of a good grade.

@HerbaMachina

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah art can only be graded by how effective it is at conveying it's intended affect on the viewer.

@rockocandyeye

3 жыл бұрын

I'm studying Graphic Design right now. I absolutely hate it because I'm more of an illustrated and concept art person . I don't even bother to get a good grade, just good enough to pass my semester because I only care what I can learn from things I want to learn.

@yawarapuyurak3271

3 жыл бұрын

Oh, I know the feeling. I've recently realized that because the "art" I made in school wasn't typical, I slowly stopped drawing/sculpting/etc. My teachers wanted us to draw, and we had some projects with clay. However, I loved to draw stick figures, cut them, reinforce them, and use them as action figures. I had Goku SS4(the red with a tail), as well as Vegeta in the same form. Also, I love Origami, I used to make wierd spaceships and always had my pencilcase filled to the brim with them. Now, in university, I just... stopped. I no longer do anything "artistic". The closest thing is the videogame I'm working on, and even then I focus on the logic and programming, not the 3D art. Even my major is software engineering, but to be fair I study it so I can make games in the future lol.

@koolaid1364

3 жыл бұрын

Oh yeah in art classes offer no creativity. You have to do a project and follow the rubric in order to do well on the assignments. It’s ironic because in art class students are supposed to have the freedom to express their creativity, and instead it’s being suppressed.

The only reason we are hard working in school is because of the grades, not knowledge. That's what the education system turned us into

I agree with you almost entirely. But also: My son is in a school that became gradeless and also homework-less school two years before he started school (our local district school). While it has caused him less stress, it has also caused him to not really care about school or learning. Teachers would teach according to the concept, but they didn't seem to be educated enough about it, and not understand fully how it influences everything about school and teaching. It just became school as usual, but asking less of students. He and I also found it hard to understand his level and where/if he needed help. Because the assessments were always so vague. Now in the last years (year 8 and 9) he is on another school in the district with the same system. And they quickly discovered glaring holes in his knowledge and skills. And are working to help him improve. So it matters a lot that the school, the teachers, don't think that the gradeless and homework school mean that they can just chill, and students will automatically want to learn, and do learn what they need to. And. This school grades two times a year in grade 8 and 9. It is required for further education. And him getting grades for the first time, was a wake-up call for him: What they do and learn in school has a purpose, and he needs to have learned certain things to be able to progress in the higher school system. So at least for him, it did provide something of value. It could have been provided in a different way, by teaching students more about how their school skills are necessary in adulthood. How certain effort is needed in order to, well live. And that in order to able to choose what to work with, and in the way you want (say a cosy desk job, and not having to do manual labour), you have to have learned certain knowledge and skills. And they, and I, apparently didn't do that enough. But that set of grades woke him up. It became real to him.

Schools were designed to produce factory workers educated enough to function in factories. The grading system was a mechanism to determine which one of their "products" was adequate enough for the workforce. It was never set up for the sake of learning and exploration. School systems definitely have to change for this new economy, we're not working in factories anymore.

@sissa8216

3 жыл бұрын

Nobody’s up for the challenge unfortunately

@vincemcmahonreadskoran3120

3 жыл бұрын

@@sissa8216 Admins and teachers are products of the system and admins tend to focus on numbers over people. Most have more advanced degrees which just further kills their creativity because they become Masters at writing the kinds of papers their Masters programs demanded of them. I’ve been chewed up and spit out of the system on both ends (teacher and student, simultaneously in a masters program) and I say it all needs to collapse and the wealth of knowledge available on the Internet could be the catalyst for change we need. But we have to starve the beast by calling the system on its shit and not pushing college on everyone like it’s anything other than a racket run by people who have spent the extra time to become the machine.

@J-manli

3 жыл бұрын

@@sissa8216 It's not that nobody is up for the challenge, it's that those in power profit too much from the current system. They themselves function off of external 'objective' rewards, so unless we can somehow convince them that they will get more 'rewards' they won't do a damn thing.

@Emily-bp7ol

3 жыл бұрын

I agree something needs to change if we want students to learn and explore. Currently the system seems to be setup in way that makes the population cohesive. Same thinking, same actions, same behaviors. Unfortunately, I disagree that we aren’t working in factories anymore. We still have factories and still need people to work on products. If you think we move to robotics to do this, well, we still need people to build all those robots and to mine the materials for the robots. No escape from factory like work. Even if we move to a society of less stuff, we need people to produce food, also in factories. If you want cheap food, that’s what you get. The flip side would be people who work outside with food and enjoy their work, but you’ll have to be willing to pay them more. So perhaps some things need to change outside of schools to give reasons for the education system to change.

@creestee08

3 жыл бұрын

what do you mean we're not working in factories anymore? what do you mean? is this double meaning? cuz i am working in a factory.

Children deserve as much respect as an adult, that is when you actually start learning from both ways.

@hornetfromhallownest

3 жыл бұрын

This comment is so true. I hear a lot of people give children crap and say that kids aren't as hard working as adults are. But when the children actually worked hard and gave it their all, people say that "You're just trying to act mature." or "Why are you acting like an adult? You're still so young yet." When in life, maturing is one of the best things for a human. So why is it so weird when a 9-14 year old is mature? It's totally normal to be more serious about things, not every kid and teen is going to be cheerful and outgoing and people NEED to understand that. Parents want their children to act and be mature. But when they are, parents always wonder why they aren't hanging out with people as much and always focusing on schoolwork or other important things, or being happy all the time. Sorry if this was going off-topic, but it is very frustrating to watch this kind of stuff happen.

@smugofbishamonten1447

3 жыл бұрын

Adulthood: we don't fo that here

@RubyRedJester

3 жыл бұрын

I agree

@SizzlingVibe

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah okay but you can’t act like children are mature enough to make the same decisions as adults

@lifestarmoonlight7460

3 жыл бұрын

@@SizzlingVibe yeah, but everyone is different and society just does things TOO much

I know this video has been out for a long time, but I only recently discovered this channel and have been working my way through the catalog. Thank you for this. I was like Maria as a little girl. Teacher's pet, read everything I could get my hands on, excelled in every subject, tons of diverse interests. My test scores were always high, advanced for three grades above me all the way through high school. But I still barely graduated high school with a 2.5 GPA. I burnt out in HS. I learned the material in school, and I had a teacher that taught me how to use logic to increase my multiple choice test scores on things I didn't remember. I refused to do homework because it made no sense to me. I hated not being able to understand the concepts I was being taught, disillusioned with how interesting these subjects could be but hating the way it was taught. Once I was an adult, I took my education into my own hands. I read books, I read papers, I sought out educational content on YT, and I taught myself all those concepts I failed to learn in school. I regained my curiosity, my love of learning, all the interests I had bypassed in my literal childish disillusionment. I knit and am learning to sew, so I needed to re-learn more complex math skills I dumped out of my brain when I left HS. I write novels, so I've had to learn media literacy, how to do research, how to critically analyze material, how to recognize patterns, dissect dense text. And that's before the nitty gritty of learning to actually write technically. I've been educating myself on politics, history, culture, debate and discourse, critical thinking skills. I have the luxury of being a stay at home parent for almost a decade and I recognize that, but I have never been more happy of more fulfilled being able to spend my days learning about things that make me happy, chasing my interests and creativity, falling down rabbit holes of research or finding new things to love. The public school system failed me, and I am proof the arguments you're making are very real and valid.

they say that mistakes are proof that you are learning but say you dont learn anything if you make mistakes

@flouglemireindustries4335

2 ай бұрын

I think it's, you don't learn anything if you keep making *the same* mistakes. Still very dumb way of thinking, you're still correct, it should be that you don't learn anything if you maintain only 1 approach to what you're doing, you have to use any and all different angles.

I was a straight C student my whole life and failed a dozen college classes. I'm going to be graduating soon and got an "Intern of the Year" award at my last internship. I play several instruments, have many hobbies from sculpting to drawing to cooking. My friends are few but we'd die for each other. It took me most of my life to learn that those letters on the report card don't define who I am. It took me most of my life to learn to study to better myself rather than for the grades that I'd get. It took me most of my life that I actually am a pretty smart guy with a good heart, not a worthless idiot who shouldn't have been born.

@poppagBallZ97

3 жыл бұрын

😊

@starryyynightzzz4691

3 жыл бұрын

As an average student myself, this really made me feel better about myself. My parents have always instilled in me that I have to get good grades to have a good life, but this one paragraph has opened my eyes a bit. Thank you for that :)

@Rikorage

3 жыл бұрын

I feel you, man. You know things suck when you are told you're possibly getting held back in goddamn kindergarten. I was that kid, always asleep, bored, picked on. It was like that for years, dropped out near the first quarter of 9th grade, and went back because I didn't know if juvenile hall was the place I wanted to be at the time. Made the most of it until 11th, and crammed like crazy for the 2nd half of 12th grade, went from almost all Fs to a 3.0 average in that time. I didn't want to repeat that experience for another year. Start of college felt great, I was doing great, but let pressures around me ruin that, and ended up dropping out, went to a vocational school that took 4 years of my life and put me $38,000 in debt with nothing to show for it, and almost 9 years after that I'm picking up the pieces of all that. Finally have a job I can feel good-ish about, something that isn't trying to sell more than what it's got, something I don't have to fake how great it is. I hope to get more room to breath in the near future, and I'm always grateful I can even have the chance of getting to do what I want now.

@emanueljames7801

3 жыл бұрын

I'm sorry you felt like that. School is as much a social place as a academic one. Of you please people you will perform better also it's not all about iq. It's important that kids learn to find what they ARE good at, and build on that.

@AV-tm5zf

3 жыл бұрын

B and C students are genuine. They can take the world and make sense of it. We aren't just dreamers we are the DOERS! So call me a B/C student. Im ok with grading because its how you acclimate that to the real world.

I remember back in high school, we had this INSANELY rebellious kid in our class, who absolutely despised the entire school system. He constantly talked about how school teaches close to nothing when it comes to critical thinking, logic and common sense. He also disliked the idea of university, which although I didn't really agree with, I totally understood his points. He'd go to the point where he just wouldn't come to class or refuse to do work. He would also voice his opinions to the teachers. But you know what's funny about this? The teachers almost NEVER argued with him. They completely agreed that this system is effed up, but they couldn't do anything about it, and they explained that they must teach based on a pre-written template. Kinda sucks that even the most passionate teachers are stuck teaching in a way that the system wants them to teach.

@psychosalad6653

Жыл бұрын

Do you know what he’s up to today?

@jackportell4174

Жыл бұрын

lol after watching the video and also having my own opinions about how AR tests are bad, and how the two are linked because rewards don't work, the guy you're talking about in your comment may become me.

@MechNominal

Жыл бұрын

So was this kid learning in his free time I wonder? Was he learning critical thinking skills or was he just regurgitating crap he read online. Like using your comment for instance as a basis for his world-view without putting in any work.

@jessekwb5035

Жыл бұрын

@@MechNominal If he didn't take the time to learn on his own, then that could also be because of the school system. Why work on something that won't help you in life when you're constantly told something else that's worse will get you somewhere in life? Having one option that you despise and won't agree with doesn't mean you'll take the less annoying option. This seems like it could easily deter someone if told that all of their work is for naught unless they choose your option.

@JuanPabloSelvaje

Жыл бұрын

I’m gonna push back on this. The teachers didn’t argue with him not because he was speaking the pure unadulterated truth but because you shouldn’t argue publicly with disruptive students. A kid who is that rebellious and difficult is a lot less prepared for the real world than he thinks he is.

One of my absolute best experiences with school was a single quarter of 6th grade. Instead of a normal curriculum, we were given a huge list of work we could do, lectures we could attend with dates, and points those actions were worth, along with the point goal for the quarter. The only thing that mattered was getting to the point goal, and that was your grade. It was eye opening and it made the whole class very disillusioned with the rest of our schooling. The sheer difference i had personally in doing large projects simply because i chose to do it was all the difference for me. And we were all 12, and not even like the best behaved. It wasn't chaos at all. It went extremely well, and i think is one model for how you could produce intrinsic motivation without just forcing students to come up with their own ideas entirely, while also adding the caveat of being able to suggest things for points. I hope that public school as a whole one day mirrors that little experiment

Watching this video again. When my 3 sons were in junior high. The school gave grades the traditional way, but the teachers also had a separate certificate of written comments about a student's strengths and weaknesses including GRADES FOR EFFORT. My youngest son complained when I gave his middle brother the same amount of money, even though his grades were poorer, even though I had already told that I reward effort, not grades: it isn't fair to comparing my kids who have very different abilities (especially when one is neurodivergent), but Everyone can excel in their effort, regardless what abilities they have. Besides, my brother has done better in his life than me, even though my grades, by the same teachers, were better, not that he was just an average student. Having to make a regular effort is what is needed in most things in adult life, to get over over those hurdles when the going gets tough. Because work isn't always satisfying and we cannot all choose to have a job what we would like to have.

School: mistakes make us smarter Also school: Oh no, you've failed your final test, now you must lose a year of your life seeing what you already know to finally complete your final test again

@5soda

2 жыл бұрын

If mistakes made school smarter, then it would be an awesome school

@78anurag

2 жыл бұрын

It's like the worst game tutorial, you get thrown in and the tutorial lasts for about 20% of the entire game and then for the most of the tutorial they teach you useless stuff and then throw you out after it but now you have no idea how the game actually works.

@anamariaramirez9341

2 жыл бұрын

@@78anurag And then you're constantly having to keep your head above water 24/7 because if you don't you'll fail or worse -get a game over. And this holds true even when you think you're safe on land too, enemies could come out at any time and attack you, chip away at your HP and cleave through your defenses until you're barely hanging on by a thread. And if you're lucky enough to pick yourself back up than congratulations, you've survived! For now. Because what the game essentially does is prevent you from growing and actually exploring the world around you. Now I bet after all of this that you're probably exhausted, sick and tired from being attacked on all fronts every second of every day so I'll let you in on a little secret -there's a tiny island not too far from the game's start where the tutorial took place and you can heal + rest there free of charge without having to worry about any enemies. Better yet, you can stay here indefinitely for as long as you want. But therein lies the problem. What this does is heavily discourage you from going anywhere and succeeding in the world beyond. Out there it's vast, highly risky and scary but it's also rife with new people, lands, cultures and animals you've never seen before. It's hard and challenging sure and you have to give it your all but that's what makes you strong, mentally or otherwise. But if you stay on that island -stay in your comfort zone where it's safe- you'll never get to grow or improve. This place has everything you've ever needed. Why would you want to leave? And even on that island it's still hard to feel safe since you still have to be on gaurd for enemies around the island. You have to be on guard constantly even then. What this does is cause you to coast and lounge about throughout your time in the game. It kills your motivation and spirit. Soon what was once a nice little Haven becomes... almost bland. Near lifeless even. That's why you have to leave and take risks little by little. Don't stay on that island forever. It might seem nice on the outside, but it's one of the strongest prisons ever build should you make the mistake of choosing to stay.

@78anurag

2 жыл бұрын

@@anamariaramirez9341 Very good 👏

@anamariaramirez9341

2 жыл бұрын

@@78anurag Thank you! 😄

in my experience, the most devastating part about education was cheating. I'm generally a fast learner and took interest in 80% of my classes. but even in the subject that I knew well and would get a good grade, I would cheat. because at the end of the day no one cares about the knowledge or the interest, grades were more important. and now I have A+ for history in my transcript, but know little to nothing about actual history, while my very knowledgeable classmate has a B

@tiga8600

2 жыл бұрын

I always cheated when I got stuck and jsut wanted the layout of the problem bot the answer. I've always could get the math answer just fine but I cant do all to well the mumbo jumbo that goes on with re arranging the whole thing

@Adam-pc2cm

2 жыл бұрын

Even when I wasn’t “cheating,” I rarely felt like I was learning. Instead, I was just cramming and doing whatever was necessary to get a good grade and forgetting everything a week later.

@themushroominside6540

2 жыл бұрын

Just last week i got an F on an exam because i got one question out of 50 total questions was worth 30 Points out of the total 100. I love biology but that F for that one question really stings especially since i got every other question correct. I hate weighted grades which make you feel dumb for something so trivial. I am passionate about biology and i really do want to get a degree in biological sciences, but passion and knowledge isn't what grades show, its a score that determines how well you can do tests that somehow determines if you get a degree or not.

@-............................h

2 жыл бұрын

I never felt comfortable cheating, so I stopped doing work and dropped out after they began illegally marking me absent despite being present. kzread.info/dash/bejne/qqGm08uFiM3Hm7Q.html

@titantanic7255

2 жыл бұрын

Bruh same I know everything about history and I have a C in it just for turning it in late

i’m one of the people who does well at grades, but i’m still barely hanging on because of this new “well-rounded student” everyone is looking for. i’m autistic, i’m the opposite of well-rounded. i don’t participate much in extracurriculars on paper, because most of it is by myself and/or too niche to have a club. i do well in class because i learn well but i struggle with homework and projects. and i can only get A’s or zeros. i have to learn a subject to A level to feel like i’ve learned it at all, and i’ve never figured out how to do anything at half-level. so my grades often look like: C+ (8 As and 1 missing assignment). which is super frustrating

Great stuff! I’ve been teaching for ten years, and I’m just starting to figure this out, especially the power shift and student freedom. We have to stop blaming students for not being engaged by boring, lifeless learning experiences!

For me my biggest pet peeve was teachers who "don't believe in giving A's." If a teacher wants me to give them A grade work, then they better be giving out A's, otherwise why should I bother with dedicating my time and effort to their class?

@soggos732

2 жыл бұрын

this reminds me of how learning is an intrinsic motivation but schools replace it with extrinsic motivation and then torture you with that.

@alankuo2727

2 жыл бұрын

"nothing deserves a perfect score" is the most bs thing I've ever heard from a teacher

@rocketship3396

2 жыл бұрын

Mine was when teachers couldn't accept when they were wrong. For example that whole myth that your tongue has 5 separate areas for taste, and I knew it was demonstrably wrong, and got sent to the principle's office for telling the teacher he was wrong and "lying" when I said I could indeed taste salt on the supposed sweet area. Edit: At least my Eco teacher was willing to listen to me when I told her shrews were in fact mildly venomous (she had been saying Platypuses were the only venomous mammal).

@bankrobs2893

2 жыл бұрын

@@rocketship3396 That's a myth? My god the school system is failing.

@nikolasEMT

2 жыл бұрын

@@Zextranet well, she didn't exactly say that. She said that we still have to do our best, however, we don't need to be confined to a working space that isn't enjoyable and that there isn't a way to do it "our" way. We are humans. We are supposed to solve problems in different ways, not in a specific and boring one. Also she talks about grades as if you're a small kid and you're offered a treat (say for example chocolate) if you manage to work hard on a lesson. However, as she points out, if you work hard AND you don't get the chocolate you wanted (It's another brand that you don't really like) then YOU are confused and anxious as to why you didn't get the specific chocolate you wanted, and so you try harder, and harder, until it all loses meaning and you aren't happy anymore. So, to prevent ALL of this, she believes that THE LESSONS SHOULD BE DONE, but without the prizes and with more creativity.