I may not agree with Ben on some stuff. But I certainly agree that it’s called Twitter.

@RobBCactive

8 ай бұрын

I'm not sure that Xitter isn't more deserved

@I-wont-read-your-replies

8 ай бұрын

And when you're right, you're right.

@GeneralBlorp

8 ай бұрын

Never let people dictate how you use words, especially when they’re correct 🤔👍

@fatshibaballs

8 ай бұрын

unfortunately free speech doesnt exist on shitter. Elon will ban you if you talk bad about dear leader @@GeneralBlorp

@Nadie1789

8 ай бұрын

I mean, he mocks Levy for being an IM, but at least GC is famous for actually creating chess content (and killing it, honestly), opposite of being famous for allegedly inserting weird objects in his an*s.

That unintentional "inserted" joke was pretty good. Sometimes they just slip in.

@memegazer

8 ай бұрын

It speaks for itself * waddles away awkardly into the sunset *

@mans7004

8 ай бұрын

To the top with you good sir

@MPSmaruj

8 ай бұрын

Yeah, I can get behind that pun, sure.

@gmatsue84

8 ай бұрын

Sometimes it slips out

@verybluevans

8 ай бұрын

That joke really vibed with me

Ben’s videos are 30% analysis and 70% puns, one liners and dad jokes

@mikegreiner5711

8 ай бұрын

Barely! Plus tax

@andrewsears16

8 ай бұрын

that's 130% up my alley

@AntonioBarba_TheKaneB

8 ай бұрын

he is the best in his chair

@victorfinberg8595

8 ай бұрын

and zero % chess ? maybe add again

@AntonioBarba_TheKaneB

8 ай бұрын

@@victorfinberg8595 you are 127% correct

The GM of taking eight minutes to tell a story that could’ve been told in three.

@Stuxnet1914

8 ай бұрын

Yessss.....So much this. I mean Jesus Tap Dancing Christ.....Just get to the point.

@i_never_asked_for_an_alias

8 ай бұрын

It's a lesson in patience. ;-)

@yacsem

8 ай бұрын

@@i_never_asked_for_an_alias They should give him 3 minutes max with a 1 second increment for every concise and salient sentence.

@Lady-V

8 ай бұрын

Yes and I like it that way :)

@TheRyanNation

8 ай бұрын

The channel of taking 11 years to not make a single video and then comment on others' videos.

Its good that Hans doesnt watch Spanish youtubers, because the clickbaits in their videos are like "Hans lost his internet connection" when he lost to caruana XD

@RobBCactive

8 ай бұрын

Lolol

@TheBluePhoenix008

8 ай бұрын

Someone tell him that

@Cyber_Elf_Elpizo

8 ай бұрын

savage

@pedrotorres8909

8 ай бұрын

LATAM baby

@sdaiwepm

8 ай бұрын

Fabi is 5-0 against Hans. He must be packing secret Italian wireless-jamming technology.

Luckily for me I've so far been spared the shame of being an IM.

@ClemintineCake

8 ай бұрын

while this is funny and true, Hans is kinda roasting levy, b/c if Levy had to choose between being a GM/ super GM competing/winning tournaments or being the biggest chess KZreadr grinding out clickbait everyday I think it's pretty clear (if you watch his content) what he'd choose.

@rasputozen

8 ай бұрын

He'd choose the grinding, right?@@ClemintineCake

@TheBluePhoenix008

8 ай бұрын

​@@rasputozenyes

@elg7365

8 ай бұрын

​@@ClemintineCakerelax with the psychology.he makes money.he said nothing against hans

@Fluxion11

8 ай бұрын

​@@ClemintineCakemeh at end of the day, Levi has low stress and makes a boatload of money.

If I was a GM who made 1% of the money an IM makes I would be salty too

@sub-harmonik

8 ай бұрын

levy's content creation elo is 3000

@memegazer

8 ай бұрын

Its funny to me how much Hans now tries to stir up drama, all the while claiming others are using him for clout.

@stronk-ih4rd

8 ай бұрын

so the guy with the most money wins the argument? you are a moron

@jamesmoniz5263

8 ай бұрын

I mean why should chess skill = money on KZread? Gothem doesn’t make money cause he wins tournaments or get payed to show up to events and play chess. He gets payed to sell course aimed at beginners and make videos aimed to inform and entertain beginners. If GMs wanna make big bucks they should consider doing something more lucrative than playing chess(chess is cool, but you can’t be salty cause you’re the worlds best scrabble player, have decided to quit your job, pursue no other career paths, then get salty someone who’s a part time chess player full time KZreadr and chess teacher (with experience as a teacher) makes more bank than you

@memegazer

8 ай бұрын

@verylogicalguy9216 idk maybe he did or maybe he meant hans won all his games that day or maybe he meant something else entirely I think hans assumed he meant cheating...and maybe he did I don't think it matters that much to my point hans has been starting social media drama with just about every popular chess streamer lately it seems I assume it is bc he knows drama drives clicks and he is trying to get his social media more attention so he can make money from that in which case more power to him, but I find it funny if he thinks that we can't see he is doing basically what he claims others are doing if that is the case and if that is not what he is doing then it is kinda sad that he is so sensitive and thin skinned

Have Duda and Rapport ever been seen in the same room together? Exactly!

@gmdwill

8 ай бұрын

I understand why Ben gets them mixed up

@paulgoogol2652

8 ай бұрын

If not, they must be the same person!

loved the "No." ending

Niemann should let his chess speak for itself.

@TheTastefulThickness

8 ай бұрын

How many times are we going to just say this like its funny

@UncleDansVintageVinyl

8 ай бұрын

@@TheTastefulThickness Until it stops being funny.

@satyaveni9318

8 ай бұрын

I can confirm you that it's never gonna be unfunny

@TheTastefulThickness

8 ай бұрын

​@@UncleDansVintageVinylsame crowd here that thinks SNL is still funny

@UncleDansVintageVinyl

8 ай бұрын

@@TheTastefulThickness And you think that you're important.

As sad as it is, it is kind of hard to blame creators for click bate because it actually works.

@apefu

8 ай бұрын

I don't know if it is available to everyone but my understanding is creators can now do a/b testing on thumbnails.

@istvanmagi473

8 ай бұрын

Actually, I never watched any GothamChess video exactly because they have disgusting clickbait titles.

@WastePlace

8 ай бұрын

Gotham also explicitly states in his videos that he uses clickbaity titles and thumbnails to try getting the KZread algorithm to pick his videos up more, so he isn’t hiding it or ashamed of it. I think it’s just a part of the KZread game

@stronk-ih4rd

8 ай бұрын

no, it is in fact very easy to blame him for lying in the video title and alluding to the cheating accusations against hans, heavily insinuating that something is suspicious with his games. levy is choosing to further damage hans reputation in order to make money, he's a scumbag

@jamesmoniz5263

8 ай бұрын

Click bait is cringe and childish, but when a large part of the KZread platform is just children you go where the following is. Though he doesn’t outright lie or misrepresent in his titles, it’s just hyperbolic.

Levy trying to say he stayed out of the original drama with Niemann-Carlsson is like me saying I'm a Grand Master in Chess.

@camipco

8 ай бұрын

I don't think he was claiming he stayed out of it, but that he didn't take a side on whether Niemann cheated, which is true. He certainly had plenty to say on pretty much every detail, but he was always clear that he didn't know if Niemann cheated or not and he did debunk some of the proof-Niemann-cheated claims. I mean, a reasonable person could argue about whether he did a good job, but he was at least trying to remain objective.

@Burybjj

8 ай бұрын

Correct @camipco

@somerandomdudefes31

8 ай бұрын

Levy had probably the most deliberately balanced coverage of that whole event.

chatter - "I think hes jebaiting for clicks" Ben- "What??" lol

Ben: 6 cp loss, hot damn that's virtually impossible! Hans: YOU LOWLY 2500! HOW DARE YOU INSINUATE I CHEATED

Ahhh I get it now, was wondering why Gotham called the video that. Even though I'd seen the Hans interview I never connected the Gotham title. Thanks for explaining!

Levy puts out a clickbait video? How shocking!! He's only done that like every day for the last few years. And it works. Who can really blame an IM for playing the clickbait game and making an absolute KILLING on youtube and streaming? And he's very good at what he does.

@jamesmoniz5263

8 ай бұрын

If you’re gonna brag about playing perfect games, you can’t be salty when someone says you played a perfect game… it’s clearly hyperbolic and Gothem is a very neutral party in all this (maybe even slightly favoring Hans cause he’s stated before people shouldn’t jump on allegations and pointed out the lack of evidence before)

@ClemintineCake

8 ай бұрын

I don't blame him and I love his content. But idk if any of that makes Hans's statement any less true or biting

@ooSHINIES

8 ай бұрын

@@jamesmoniz5263 I've found Gothem to be annoying and haven't watched him much at all in years but iirc on the few videos I saw on this topic, his stance on the situation was "I'm not saying he cheated *wink wink*" with his comment section all railing on Hans and making anal bead jokes. TBF to Hans, (I'm not a fan of either of these guys), Gothem is able to sit there with plausible deniability while all his fans read into the titles to accuse him of cheating. The clickbait is just on the line of neutrality to where it could be viewed either way depending on your pov on the whole situation. I can see why Hans is defensive/annoyed simply because Gothem is clearly just playing dumb while stirring the pot with his titles.

@thebcwonder4850

8 ай бұрын

@@ooSHINIES Gotham was defending Hans’s rating drop while other people were saying that it proves his cheating

@jamesmoniz5263

8 ай бұрын

@@ooSHINIESthe internet hates hans cause cause they are either 12 year olds who are hikarus simps, or older and don't like this attitude/personality and its not about the cheating. I don't like Hans personally, just cause he seems to just enjoy being a dick. Though Gotham really doesn't try to egg on the crowed more than an occasional "wow this is a crazy world we live in that an*l beads and chess are somehow related". He's not my favorite chess creator out there, but he's def informative and knows how to dumb how level games down (sometimes a little too much) so amature players can understand and learn from them. When I was newer to chess his vidoes were a lot more insightful than to me now.

I was about to ask why a 2800 would spend 8 seconds on a forced move until I saw the elo 🗿 truth hurts

Remember the good old days when the biggest scandal in chess was a rogue moderator in Chess Brah's streams?

@newil_yovac

8 ай бұрын

I see you've forgotten about the shenanigans of Kasparov, Karpov, Korchnoi, the Soviets vs Fischer, etc.

Good lord. Took the dude 3+ minutes to get the story started.

“Insertions a funny word when you’re talking about Hans” 😭😭😭Never change Ben

I enjoy Levy’s content. I also enjoy Ben’s tremendously - particularly the lectures. Hans is a conceited, but very skilled Chess Master. One makes ones own bed. The world spins on its a great time to be a chess fan

@gajeelredfox1016

8 ай бұрын

Yea I've never taken a particular side in the whole cheating scandal, but one thing I've always though is Hans is a very conceited and ego driven person. But he does have the skills to back that up.

@sabotagefate69

8 ай бұрын

And no mention of how gothamchess literally is the same way as Hans except hes specifically doing it for clicks and content, or in more concrete terms, money. Ones a gross ewhore and the others a dislikable chess gm. The two are not the same and pretending Hans is worse than levy is retard levels of stupidity.

@wlycdgrTheEverydayWorld

7 ай бұрын

Hans' ego might well not be any bigger than any other top GM's I reckon, he's just the type who likes to stir shit and gas himself up by talking big out loud

'insertion is a funny word when you are talking about Hans' i laughed so audibly, my neighbour literally asked wtf happened

@blizzard2099

8 ай бұрын

And I literally choked on my potato chip (just for a second but still). Damn that made me laugh 😂

Ben, always there for the drama

I would think that Levy's title was in reference to Hans' statement but putting Hikaru in the thumbnail makes me think different though

"Insertion is a funny word when you're talking about Hans"..............

The clickbait wasn’t an insinuation. Anyone who has watched any Gotham video about Hans could tell Levy has never insinuated. The clickbait was just being over the top as usual. People just need controversy to feel something I guess

Honestly just Hans being touchytouchy. Probably trying to freak Gotham out because of he sued the last guy who accused him of anything.

The media calls it "X, formerly known as Twitter" so I just shorten that to "Twitter", especially since like 200 things try to call themselves X, so it's not even something you can copyright. It's a letter of the alphabet, it's very much public domain.

7:40 maybe with very slight inaccuracies (2nd/3rd engine choices), rapport could have eeked out some advantage over a few moves

So... Hans is wrong, Levy is wrong, Ben is wrong and even this message may be wrong.

@samsonpug

8 ай бұрын

But 2 wrongs make a right. Right?

@cygnustsp

8 ай бұрын

There's no such thing as being wrong anymore. Anything can be explained away.

Hikaru dropped a vid saying 50% of players are cheating and no one got butt hurt. Levy repeated something that Hans said himself in a clever way: Stop the presses; it's chess drama in the streets! lol

@spasegeek9214

6 ай бұрын

Have cheated and are cheating are incredibly incredibly different things. Do you make such huge discrepancies in your daily conversations?

Hans was vibrating with rage

2:08 You played a6 with the idea of b5+ etc. which is mate in 4. However a6 with the idea of Qc2+ is mate in 2.

@L1ttlepace

8 ай бұрын

i thought he had Qc2 and spent 5 minutes trying to work out what obvious thing i had missed. I shall accept my GM title now thank you.

@beeble2003

4 ай бұрын

Man, that's a long-winded way of saying that he missed Qc2#.

I think the reason why I return Bens vids is because he isnt trying to be a mega influencer so theres no obnoxious drama content

@junewearden522

8 ай бұрын

This is obnoxious drama content this is the only chess KZreadr I follow talking about this lmao I clicked though so

I guess being baselessly accused by more than the entire chess community conditions you to think a certain way

@shawncarter7188

6 ай бұрын

Baselessly lol

Hans’ arrogance, for a guy that’s known to cheat, is appalling

Ignoring Twitter is good for your mental health.

this video has blown up, nice job Ben!

Followed on twitch. Good vid. Can’t wait to see you play.

Gotham just rounded up, that's all.

If you take a KZread title so serious, it speaks for itself.

I think both played their respective "brand moves" for their audiences. Gotham made a clickbait video for attention, and Hans raged for attention.

I saw Gotham chess’s video. There was no insinuation at all that Hans cheated. Just getting bent over the title is super weak sauce.

Honestly, they should stop bugging Hans. Hans is doing well he didn’t do anything suspicious.

@walksthroughlife900

8 ай бұрын

He is also just 20. Barely an adult.

i clicked the video wanting to see 100% accuracy without any statement or reason, buit once it wasn't the case I close it.

Gotham LITERALLY said after, I titled it that for clicks. No real opinion of Gotham, but Hans need to chill and remember the IM he's making fun of is a millionaire because of it.

So I watched the video in question. Hans is projecting. Big time. Levy didn’t do anything of the sort. It was a normal recap like he does for anyone else.

I wrote a huge response about why CAPS and the engine evaluation during the game differ, why Lichess analysis is unreliable due to a flaw in its distributed model that is actually necessary for Lichess to remain free, and the methods used to get reliable chess analysis results by using consistent specific hardware and correctly configured firmware+software, but nobody wants to read all of that. You didn't even want to read all of this. Long story short: Computers are complicated and most of us have no idea what the data we are being presented with means or if it is a reliable representation of what it claims to be. CAPS is not quite the same as raw engine correlated accuracy because it uses aggregation (sorting) and a game context-aware algorithm. So, when you look at the engine eval during the game and it is different, it isn't always a case of one instance being right and the other being wrong. It is more likely that they are representing different things. Rapport may have been better at one or more points in terms of raw evaluation, but when all of those peaks and valleys were aggretated into the final score, we saw that accuracy and adjusted precision scoring told different stories.

I’m not saying this to defend Levy, but it is ironic to criticize someone for doing clickbait in a clickbait video (of an arguably worse type too - one that isn’t immediately discernible as clickbait, and instead of going in expecting such you go in actually thinking ‘oh no, what happened!’)

“-and insertion is a funny word when you’re talking about Hans”

not to take a side because the whole drama is kinda bs, but both are respectable imo being a world class chess player takes a lot of talent, hard work, and guts being one of the best chess content creators on youtube (even though its clickbaity) is also very hard work and takes talent dont let some stupid drama bring down how far both of them have gotten in their respective areas

@exelmans8855

8 ай бұрын

Gotham chess is irrelevant.

@AquaticSkipper

8 ай бұрын

Ok I'll say it, those two things ain't remotely comparable lol

@harrellt1405

6 ай бұрын

Click bait at the expense of another. Kinda trash

I know I was not alone in this. Only an idiot would call it X.

@davidsandrock7826

8 ай бұрын

The idiot who owns the company, no less.

Rapport and duda are the same 😂😂 now thats some chess spiritual stuff who only chess players can acknowledge

You're committed to the game when you have mate, but with seconds on the clock you still are working to find mate in fewer moves.

I always think Ben has the best takes for any Chess Drama stuff

@johnrichardson7629

8 ай бұрын

I don't. Even this one is nothing brilliant and his yammering about Magnus retiring from the tournament where the Hans brouhaha started was absolutely brain dead. Magnus was upset that his concerns weren't being taken seriously. MVL has expressed similar concerns. Fabi recently said that chess organizers aren't doing a good job re anti-cheat protocols. Danny at Chesscom recently went on and on about how they are finally going to get seriously serious about online cheating. This whole discussion, which is absolutely critical, only started because Magnus made his dramatic move and all Ben could do was whine that is impolite to quit a tournament. It was just awful.

@arnavrawat9864

7 ай бұрын

​@@johnrichardson7629A dude wh hasn't been convinced was cancelled and suffered a lot of public humiliation and career setbacks. Something good coming out of the drama doesn't justify the horrific behaviour of the public who cancelled hand, not the players who fed this controversy and without proof. It's easy enough to say "There's no proof, I withhold judgement, but the cheating situation is really bad" but they didn't do that either. You're also not taking into account how witch hunty people can get at certain topics. Imagine Hans cheating online but never otb, and then playing good on his own. That would be a super hard situation to stay silent in for people who brought into the baseless (as far as the public knows ) allegations and rumours.

@johnrichardson7629

7 ай бұрын

@arnavrawat9864 You are of course referring to guy who had already confessed to cheating, including in money tournaments. Gans is a victim only of his own behavior and has frankly gotten off light.

I saw a "Niemann 100%" title but when I noticed it was by gothamchess, I ignored it. Time well saved.

Lol that comment “fabi out here selling world championship prep to 900s”. I got into a Reddit argument with some 1500 lichess player saying he was going to buy the course. Guys blundering pieces and decided what he really needs is to fix his move order in specific subsets of the Spanish.

“Insertion is a funny word when you’re talking about Hans”😭😭😭

I watched the first minute or so of this video, then went and re-watched Levy's video to have it clear in my mind, and when I went to my history to switch back to this video, this one and Levy's were next to each other in my history. Turns out the thumbnails are the same, and I absolutely love that. Bravo, Ben. Bravissimo!

@daveshif2514

6 ай бұрын

Bens a gm in chess and in trolls

@SevenTheJester

6 ай бұрын

@@daveshif2514 Well said.

We might be witnessing a Lawyer sac soon.

4:09 "insertion is a funny word when you're talking about Hans" LMFAOOO

Lmao why is that KZread ONLY recommends Ben Finegold to me when there is a controversy to talk about😂😂😂

@tator9798

7 ай бұрын

Yep... Again

*You explained the drama very well

Kill me now. I didn’t finish

bro really needed that 8 min add revanue

"Insertion is a funny word when you're talking about Hans" 😂😂😂

I absolutely agree with Ben! He made a point, you know! First, finish the game and then tell the story. I learnt a lot today.

I once played a game where i played an aggresive opening that basically once my opponent plays a certain move i gets a massive attack. The moves was pretty easy to find and the game didnt end in a checkmate, it was 11 moves and the moves way quite easy that i pretty much always finds the best moves according to engine apart from the book moves. According to cc it was a 100% accuracy. Literally. Because every move was top engine line. But according to lichess its 11 centipawn loss 6 centipawn loss is mind boggling

@lionheart4552

8 ай бұрын

What's the name of the opening ?

I opened levy’s new chess book, and all it said was “Caro khan” on every page…

"Sometimes you swing and you hit a home run"

7:53 I don't usually pick sides, but if I had to pick a side, I'd go with baked potato, fully loaded.

I would argue that its a lot stupider to keep using an old archaic name for a company instead of the actual name of the company. You'll only look more and more silly and confuse more people the longer you refuse to accept reality. Eventually there will come a point where nobody knows what twitter means

Nieman is so sensitive to accusations of cheating that now he sees accusations of cheating everywhere.

Within the first minute, the words out of our favorite GM was funny!

I should listen to Ben Finegold more often. I spent a lot of that 8 minutes laughing out loud.

I like Neiman but I think he jumped the shark on this one. I watched the Gotham Video, there was no noticeable innuendo or wink wink moments. He covered the Neiman match exactly as he covers all his other matches.

I became your fan for what you said about Twitter/X in the opening remark! 🙂

Hans is a smart guy doing a character - he is playing a heel ala pro wrestling. He is making outlandish and controversial statements to be the bad guy to get people interested in him. It is interesting and effective.

@Micolash9

8 ай бұрын

since he seems to have zero friends in professional chess, cheated in the past, and never did anything chess-related that's out of character, it is reasonable to assume that he is just an interesting person

@ravecrab

8 ай бұрын

Being a dick to get attention is still being a dick.

I can't wait to see the next Gotham video.

Niemann vs. Gotham. Can both of them lose?

2:48 I felt the exact same about Rapport and Duda until the WCC lol

4:08 you made me spit my coffee

Thanks for filling us all in, Ben - unsubbed from Gotham ages ago, when he started with "THE ROOOOOOOOK" type stuff

@ravecrab

8 ай бұрын

I just watch the Gotham Games channel these days. Not interested in clicking on a 35 minute video with no idea what it will be about because the title is so misleading.

Hans has the self esteem of Bobby Fischer except he isn’t a Bobby Fischer

"sometimes when you swing, you hit a homerun" LOL I m gonna use that...

What's better clickbait than drama? It's a win win for everyone involved, including you

I'm a fan of gotham chess but I'm with Hans on this one. I watched that video and its title did insinuate he'd cheated. Levy was looking at all this like it's just a funny joke but for Hans, it's his life. He's already felt betrayed by the Botez sisters and seeing Levy crack a joke at his expense must have been painfull. Lots of love to Levy, but like I said, I'm with Hans on this.

It so funny to me that the person who hates the drama the most, I only see when there's drama

The only difference is Gotham's video wasn't specifically about Hans. He makes daily recaps highlighting several games from the tournament each round. Hans' game was just one of like 6 that he featured in the video. But Hans gets clicks so it's a pretty good title to use.

How was Levy wrong?

I just watched the Rapport vs Nieman game video posted by Levy and clearly what Levy is saying is that Neiman played spectacularly. I don't understand why Neiman has to be offended. If anything, Levy spoke positively about that particular game. It seems to me that Nieman is hypersensitive perhaps to create a bit of controversy and maintain media attention. It is true that Levy says that Neiman played with 100% accuracy, but in any case that was repeating what Neiman himself said. All this is not new, Fischer in his time also created his own media situations. My two cents.

glad I don't have to understand this now. thanks

I watched the Gotham video, read the title, and didn't get the impression that Gotham was calling him a cheater.

Levy can make every clickbait title he wants about Magnus playing better than stockfish and Hikaru playing a 100% game and having an estimated elo of 3800 but the moment it’s about Hans everyone is up in arms? Don’t project your own belief that Hans cheated onto Levy.

People lose their mind when it comes to the percentage. The percentage is based on the engine as it is rated today. In 10 years, when processing power is stronger and an engine rated 400 Elo higher than Stockfish is today is used to review a game, it may see the same game played at a different percentage. Additionally, a human player may make a knowingly play a inferior move to get an opponent out of preparation. Seeing this as a better strategy. Or play towards different tactics which better suits their style. Which they see as being better against the given opponent. When it comes to opinions. Everyone has one, and they tend to be subjective. Given this, to say one person's opinion is good or bad is a poor way to make judgement. As everyone makes mistakes, is wrong from time to time, etc. Better to just let them say/think whatever they want. Life is too short to dwell on opinions.

It was faster to go to twitter lol

Love your sense of humour 😂

we dont need to take side

I always agree with Ben. It’s myself I don’t agree with.

The ending where Ben is reading the chat is 😂

@spandankonar8635

8 ай бұрын

"Show hans vs Rapport" "No" Best way to end the video

@josueramirez7247

8 ай бұрын

@@spandankonar8635 my favorite is when Ben reads something or gets surprised by a move and then just says, “…what?”