Gorod | Programmers Of Decline | The Song That Taught Me Hybrid Picking
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The song that taught me "Hybrid Picking". Finally!
Here's both the tab and video I used back in the day to learn this song. I even used the tab for this video and only made minor changes based on what I could hear in the actual song.
Tab:
tabs.ultimate-guitar.com/tab/gorod/programmers-of-decline-guitar-pro-1015132
Playthrough by Gorod:
kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZIOnydivnc7Xeso.html
Had to reschedule it twice and even shot it twice on the recording day due to, well, carb coma, I guess lol. Yeah I usually record in the morning on an empty stomach, but this time I had a small breakfast which interfered with my mental abilities. Filmed again in the afternoon and got a good take out of it!
Soooo, what do I write now? Well, there's two reasons for the song and video. It's technically on my bucket list because it was the song that actually taught me that fancy hybrid picking. Practiced it a lot back in the day and always wanted to record it. But the actual reason for the video is different!
I already hinted on a tutorial video in the style of "The song that taught me *insert technique*". And I had planned it for some while now, but as you might know now, the plans I have seldomly work out, a lack of motivation for the most part.
But right now, I'm super fed up with the amount of misinformation and bad tutorials on youtube that either sell you stuff you don't need, stuff that actually hinders your progress, stuff that is just not true for the most part, mindless exercises, new clickbait terms for stuff that is either not important or actually something that already had a name, or just practice techniques that work, but just for the super gifted 10% (YoU shouLdN't pRactiCe sLoW, sTaRt wiTh pLaYinG fAsT....stuff like that). Or the worst thing, feeding you incomplete information to get you to subscribe to their program or become a student. MONEY BABY. I currently suspect that most of those teachers are either bad teachers or they really do that stuff on purpose just to make money.
I recently commented on a video by some german youtube guitar channel about this new school of thought of "Practicing fast instead of working your way up to speed". I tried to bring up some thoughtful criticism about that practice, because while it works to some degree, and I actually use something that is similiar, it only works for super intermediate players, with experience of like at least 10 years. In the end, the answer I got was just some stupid advertisment for his "technique program" where you, of course, learn all that, which I criticised, in like 6 months. I was like "you're shitting me!?". Snake Oil Salesman stuff basically.
Hell even the "good" and popular channels do that bullshit all the time and seldomly have any good advice for the "not so gifted 90% that have to learn all that shit in their spare time, because life". The worst one was the "210bpm tremolo picking on the second try" video. Dude, even getting to 210bpm takes at least 2 yeas of constant practice. Playing them with attitude and confidence takes a life-time of practice and playing. I'm not kidding!
So that was the final straw for me. Got me thinking, man, I gotta do something. That had me rethink that "how I learned..." idea. Basically as a test because I haven't done any tutorial video.
Yeah guys, I want to do a tutorial video! And "The song that taught me - Hybrid Picking - with Programmers Of Decline by Gorod" is the first one, just as a test. I know that it's not going to get too much clicks, but that's what makes it good as a first video.
It's basically reconstructing the way I learned the song and technique, but with improvements based on my experience with hybrid picking. As a technique learning song, this song is kind of hard, but I did back in the day, and I think you can do too! So it's not a simple tutorial but it's also not a comprehensive guide either. It's basically in between. My aim is 2-4 weeks for people who can already play the basic sweep picking patterns on a similiar tempo. I've already written the script with all the necessary information you need, and I plan on recording the video this weekend.
The only downside: I can't promise you that I'll get that video done. Motivation and stuff, but yeah, I'm still pretty pissed about all that other bullshit so I think that's enough motivation haha. But here's one thing I promise you: if I don't release a video, I will still give you a written guide on how to learn Hyrid Picking with the patterns of this song, based on the script I already wrote!
There's also another topic I wanted to talk about but the description is full. I think it's time for another debate on "fake-playing". A band I was looking up to for a long time just released an album that sounded a bit too good to be true, and their current live-shows confirm my suspicions, that it was just too good to be true. But that's a topic for another day.
Enjoy the video! :)
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Gorods music is so catchy and creative they should be way bigger
This is one of their best songs, if not the best, IMO. Crazy good cover but not surprised at all.
Fucking christ.... that tone, that picking, that everything... MVP for sure!
@KevinHeiderich
2 жыл бұрын
That's my "I'm lazy and just need a basic tone preset". It's nothing special. I didn't even try to find one that's fitting but one that's comfortable to play :D
I totally forgot about this song, I used to listen to it all the time. A Perfect Absolution was a big album for me back in 2016 (I know that this song is from Process of a New Decline). Michael Keene’s guest solo in The Axe Of God was one of my favorite parts of the album.
@KevinHeiderich
2 жыл бұрын
I think Programmers Of Decline is a classic, but while Gorod are known in the tech death scene, they never really got bigger. Which is a shame since the music is on par with the big bands of that genre. I didn't know Michael Keene had a guest solo, I guess I have to check that one out :)
2:54 Oh man that riff, so much groove. Gorod are the GOAT!
Your fingers are hypnotising me
So clean!! Excellent as always. Love hearing Gorod. They deserve more exposure!
Wow man, always incredible! This is one of my favorite songs!!!
Super cool, Kevin! I’m excited for the tutorial. I thought I’d share some of my experience with “the practice slow not fast thing” and why it was really valuable for me when I ran into it. My first few years of playing I was (a little too) eager to take on any guitar challenge and got quite fast (180-200 bpm alternate picking) with very POOR technique. The main issue was that I was using my entire arm for the picking motion and my picking depth was way too deep and made an awful plucky / sometimes detuned sound. At some point I started to become aware of how better players were able to achieve those speeds with way less motion and effort, often just wrist motion. So I spent a few years rebuilding my picking from the ground up focusing obsessively on practicing slow and having 0 tension in the picking hand/arm. And I got great value from that but it became very frustrating for me as somewhere around 150-160 bpm this technique would always fall apart with the string changes. I remember a time where I took a simple exercise across 3 strings and played it 6 hours a day, increasing the bpm by 5 each day. Until it hit 155 and it become a mess suddenly. Long story, but the thing that finally pushed me through the plateau was trying to find accuracy in speed bursts at a higher tempo range again (180-200). There were aspects of my technique that I needed to change to play faster that I just didn’t get when gradually increasing the BPM so I was just barely out of my comfort zone. I needed to be completely too fast / out of my comfort zone to zoom in on the things I needed to change (adding some arm motion for the string changes, smaller range of motion). Whenever I tried to play just a bit faster than that medium range speed (150-160 bpm 16ths), I was trying to get my body to use that same technique that it used at 120-150 bpm and it just couldn’t do it
@KevinHeiderich
2 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry in advance if I'm being too harsh or if I'm criticising you, but it's actually the "method" I'm having issues with. So first off, yeah, I'm not saying that that playing fast thing never works. On the contrary, I use it in combination for some years now. But the focus is on the "in combination" and also I actually do not use it as a practice method. It's something different for me. So, what I notice is, that a lot of people picked it up, made some progress, it seemed like a new magic way of practicing, and then immediately tried to sell it on youtube as the next big thing, without properly gaining some experience with it, or teaching it, or even thinking about the actual target group. There's actually a lot of pitfalls in it which I only noticed when I tried to teach it. In general, people don't progress because of other reasons. You can find the answers to your problems in your comment. The biggest problems were, that you were going to both extremes. The first one was trying to play too fast without having the proper technique, and the second one was, that you were just practicing too slow when you tried to relearn your technique. It sounds paradox, but most people both practice too slow but also too fast. First, they don't properly internalize the technique they want to practice, then they practice it at a speed where they already can't replicate it, because it's not yet internalized, they are not familiar with it. Then they add speed. But for proper speed practice, that speed is usually also too slow. Sounds confusing, but the main issue is the internalizing. And that's where I would try to improve that method or actually, just practice. People undervalue the internalizing process. I will not go into it too much because the comment would be too long and I have to go to work soon haha. One good thing that that "play fast" thing does though, is getting people out of their comfort zone and into a tempo range where actual progress occurs. But there's another issue with it, you can definitely overshoot. I can play a lot faster in bursts but that doesn't mean I can really play it. It might give me the impression but it's not. So I might choose a tempo range that is actually too fast for real progress. But here's another issue that you had, and that everyone else does, and actually believes. "What you do fast is not what you do slowly". For a while I thought the same. There's plenty of presentations where people show how something is played slowly and it's completely different. So I thought that too. But now, I think that thought is complete bullshit even if there's some truth to it in real world playing. My opinion has changed to something a bit more controversial. "If what you're doing fast differs too much from what you're doing slowly then you either don't know what you are doing or you are not in control, as much as you think you are". So, but why does it still happen? In demonstrations it's actually a good thing. When I show you a technique slowly I usually exaggerate the movement, maybe accent the stuff that's important. Those exaggerated movements start to diminish and get more efficient the faster I go. But that doesn't mean it's not the same thing. It definitely should be the same thing. It might look a bit different but it should mostly be the same. So what if it's not the same? Yeah, then they are not doing the same thing. And that's the problem! A lot of people don't notice that their technique is morphing into a different technique at a certain tempo. I think in your case, as in a lot of other cases, the reason you had success, was that you stumbled upon the tremolo picking technique. Because that's what a lot of people do. They morph their slow tempo alternate picking into a higher tempo tremolo picking, without realizing it. Before you ask, "ey Kevin, tremolo picking and alternate picking are the same thing!!!". No they are not. They are variations of the same thing with different key aspects (precision and control vs sheer speed in groupings). They also uses slightly different mechanics. So what I'm trying to say is, that if you would've practiced proper tremolo picking, or whatever technique you discovered properly from the beginning, you would have had more success. So it's a good thing that you discovered it through that practice method, and that's cool, but it's a technique you can't properly control due to how you "learned" it. There's certain speed increases that are just too much to fix a technique. So in order to progress further you might have to drop a lot of speed and work on the core mechanics of that technique again. And that's something that sadly happens with that "practice fast" method, but no one is telling you that. They advertise speed increases of 40 bpm but to be honest, that's just too much. Realistic increases are 10-20bpm, and depending on what, that can already be a stretch. I hope this comment doesn't sound too harsh. And I don't want to criticise your progress too much either. It's cool that you made progress with that method, so it can't be that bad. My problem is, there's a lot more issues coming after the initial progress. And frankly, most people have shit tone because they are not in control of their technique and playing. Sheer speed doesn't mean anything, if it doesn't sound good. And that's what this leads to in my opinion.
That was sick. You killed it dude
I have listened to this band for a really long time. Incredible cover, catchy tone.
O myan this is insane🔥 lovely cover brother 🤘
Gorod has thought me so many things when it cames to guitar. Matt is a true genius! Learning Transcendence was such an eye opener. Can't wait for the new stuff coming out. And awesome playing Kevin. You do it justice!
Each time I watch you play I'm stunned by the clarity of your playing, will definitly work on this piece to improve my hybrid picking
Man I love that song. The harmonies are so good! Your playing is impressively precise, sick job
I absolutely love this song and you executed it perfectly as you always do. I tried to learn this song many times but never had enough persistence to make it up to 100% tempo, guess this video is the sign that I should try it one more time
cleanest cover ever! Sounds like you're playing in my loungeroom. incredible as always dude
Man, It's been years since i thought about Gorod. Thanks for the reminder. Also, great playing as always!
Sick playing man. Gorod is underrated glad you made a cover of this track
Good description, thanks for the insight
@KevinHeiderich
2 жыл бұрын
You're welcome :)
Wow, what a clean technique! :O Awesome!
Yessssss! I love those kind of videos. You are definitely one of my favorite guitar players on youtube so it`s nice to see what made you learn. I've been trying to play Rain by Trivium to practice downpicking for a while now thanks to you :) Now I guess I have to learn hybrid picking haha. I would be interested to know if there are any exercises that you particularly like. Keep it up!
You're talented, your sheer ability,... Dude, don't stop. you will easily be at the absolute top. I know I will see your channel one day, and know I realized how talented you were before it took off. You are amazing. Do not stop.
@KevinHeiderich
2 жыл бұрын
Haha I don't think it will take off anymore, but I'll think of you if that ever happens :D
Amazing job again man. That lead is tasty
Smooth execution of thay stubborn hybrid riff. Thy shit gives me tendonitis and carpal tunnel
Fantastic video description, a very unpopular opinion I 100% agree with. And what bothers me more than anything else now is that most people forget that the guitar is there to make music, not to make a competition out of playing. If people would only focus on making music, we could listen to so much probably awesome stuff...
@KevinHeiderich
2 жыл бұрын
Is my opinion that unpopular? Haha The harsh truth is that you just need to sit down and practice. And that's something that's hard to sell. I recently watched a lecture on "learning" and there was this important part about sleeping. How it affects our memory and stuff and how important good quality sleep is for learning (100% agree there).The message basically was that marketing is never going to sell you sleeping because there's no money in it. It's also kind of obvious and it's still a common thing people fail to do. I was paraphrasing here but what I found interesting were the parallels to practice and how no one is selling you that either. No money in it, it's not an information you can really sell, and it's also kind of obvious. Yet, for over 50% of the people that ask me for advice, it's the answer. Instead of just practicing, they are wasting their time looking for the holy grail of wisdom on youtube. And there's plenty of teachers trying to scratch that itch. I know, it's not always that simple. There's lots of other reasons people are failing to progress and often times it's something not so obvious. But it's hard to accept a simple answer that requires patience when there's so many videos telling you how easy it is when you just know the "secret". I also definitely agree with you. It's an interesting development. I still remember when I started out, my goal was just to become a live-session player. You know, being a versatile metal guitar player that can play anything metal. Writing music was not the priority back then, just the playing. And what backlash I got in those days. "Oh you're just a cover guitarist. How boring. There's 100 chinese kids doing it better. There's nothing special about playing cover music". Comments like that. Nowadays it's the complete opposite. It's the first time you can be a successful musician without actually making any music. It's all covers, entertainment, teaching, and other stuff that you can sell. I'm not saying it's a bad thing, just an interesting change.
Thank you Kevin ! I'll be really interested to ear your thought on that debate 👌
Amazing. Love this album! Leading Vision is the one though, incredible album!
Great video! And I'm looking forward to the guide, be in video form or whatever!
fkn sick man, super clean
It’s been some time Kevin! 🔥🔥
Weird I was just watching guitar covers and wondering why you haven't posted in a bit. Synchronicity!
@XenoTravis
2 жыл бұрын
I am trying this out now. The hybrid riffs are a super good exercise. I suck at landing my finger on the note with the finger pick. Usually I am good at that. I guess i am not used to this kind of rhythm! Wish you did online lessons! Also did you remove your fb?
@KevinHeiderich
2 жыл бұрын
@@XenoTravis Yeah these patterns are the only ones you need. That's actually the only hybrid picking stuff I ever learned. (apart from Akroasis). That's the basis of everything I do now with that technique. It's funny, I learned this hybrid picking 10 years ago, and only really started using it 4 years ago. Never really needed it. And to be honest, you don't need hybrid picking for metal. Yeah I did remove my fb for good. Don't need it anymore. Only have instagram to keep up with a few people, but that's it.
gorod is the most fun dm band hands down
Heeeeey Kevin is back!
Noice!
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3:32 something has gone through Kevin's head haha
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Are you still using the 12 - 60's? I've been stuck on cleaning up some left hand string noises from shifting positions, wondered if you had any insight on that. Sick playing as always!
The song that taught me Hybrid Picking picking is Kairos Chamber by Archspire
Goil ❤ und ja, alles was du gerade so in der Internetmusikerblase kritisierst, kann ich sehr gut nachvollziehen. Das ist alles ziemlich krebsig und das Höher, Schneller, Weiter-Denken führt zwangsläufig weg von kreativer Innovation in so eine komische Art (Produkt-)Wettkampf. Da sind Trommler auch ganz groß drin 🤐😅
@KevinHeiderich
2 жыл бұрын
Obwohl ich ja echt sagen muss, dass die Education in der Drum-Szene um Welten besser ist! Ich glaub das weißt du noch gar nicht, aber ich spiel jetzt schon länger nebenbei Drums und obwohl ich finde, dass viel Lehrmaterial das ganze zu sportlich angeght (wenn's quasi NUR um Rudiments geht), so gibts doch einige weise Lehrer in der Szene. Jedes mal wenn ich Benny Greb sprechen höre, denke ich mir, "Japp, der Typ hat recht". Ich muss aber dazu sagen, dass ich mich momentan immernoch fern vom extrem-metal halte. Auch der ganze Drumeo channel is recht gut gemacht, auch mit den Inhalten. Alles auch sehr freundlich. In der Gitarre kenne ich davon nix. Victor Wooten ist immer ziemlich genial aber der ist auch Bassist xD
@nanuksdrums
2 жыл бұрын
@@KevinHeiderich Ja geil, ne wusste ich noch nicht 😅 Das ist ja richtig cool! Ja, und bezüglich der online Education-Community geb ich dir absolut Recht! 🙌 Das ist wirklich eine sehr positive und fast immer konstruktive Szene unter Gleichgesinnten. Ich denke, dass hat auch viel mit den verschiedenen Zugängen zu dem Instrument Schlagzeug zu tun; bei Harmonikern erfordert der Einstieg ja oft direkt auch ein theoretisches Verständnis von Musik und dem, was man da tut. Vielleicht hat das was damit zu tun, aber vielleicht braucht die Saiter-Internetszene einfach noch ein bisschen Selbstfindungszeit 😅 Mit dir und ganz vielen anderen tollen Gitarristen und Bassern, die ich schon kennengelernt habe, ist ja eigentlich genug Potenzial dafür da 😘
i can hear every notes, cant get cleaner than this... you should release all your videos like this...
@KevinHeiderich
2 жыл бұрын
Wait? Is my playing not clean and audible enough in my other videos? :D
Hey, Kevin! How about covering something from Hieronymus Bosch. For example Escape from Primitivity or Blind Windows Stare? :)
Also, thanks for having high volume. Not enough cats beat the original track. Volume and it let's them cheat.
What you said about mindless exercises and people trying to make money out of the whole stuff is such a shame, but unfortunately it is also true for music theory, especially on guitar. When I was in my teens I found it so hard to transfer the theory knowledge to the fretboard in a proper way and now that I know a lot about it, I realize that so many guys on KZread will teach you nothing. There are only a handful really good educators in my eyes...but regardless of theory or technique, what I found over the years is that you have to spend time with your instrument and do some original thinking and try to figure stuff out on your own. A teacher can only be part of your journey to learn something. There is one guy I found recently who tries to sell technique exercises, even on his own set up web page, and advertises it with stuff like "I can show you the exercises, you only have to practice". I mean, wtf dude :D The world became such a weird place. People like you should have way more followers, but mindless stuff sells best.
why u don't let ur ring finger on the guitar when u do the sextolets ? like only mooving the middle finger ?
Wow you are Back! What happenned with you?
@Alex-yq2uy
2 жыл бұрын
life? haha
Now I'm dying to find out about the band that has been "fake-playing"! Could you elaborate or will you keep that for another time?
@KevinHeiderich
2 жыл бұрын
Haha sorry, I'm not into calling names. I think what I wrote in the description is already enough to figure it out :)
@Hellbull89
2 жыл бұрын
@@KevinHeiderich haha I completely understand. I'll do some digging and try to figure it out ;) appreciate the response and keep doing what you're doing; I love watching your videos and reading the descriptions
@maaaaaap
2 жыл бұрын
i guess Obscura, since they are really the only bigger tech death band that i can think of who released album recently and are currently touring.
@Alex-yq2uy
2 жыл бұрын
@@maaaaaap i think so as well. since their live videos been popping up recently and there's a lot to be wished after seeing those haha
@maaaaaap
2 жыл бұрын
@@Alex-yq2uy i would give them bit of a benefit of a doubt though, Muenzner hasnt toured like this in years, and it must be frustrating to write leads on albums if he needs to think about his medical condition and what he can or cannot play live. also their live bassist and drummer are just filling in on this tour, so it is what it is
Nice shirt ;)
maybe somebody already asked this. Anyone that know what his axe Fx preset looks like? amp cab IR etc? asking for a friend
@KevinHeiderich
2 жыл бұрын
Do you want the preset or just know what stuff and settings I used?
@T1000qc
2 жыл бұрын
@@KevinHeiderich thanks for the reply! Would be great to have the preset… but I am not sure if those are compatible. Is this an axe fx2 that I see in the back? Just to know the signal chain would be great. Curious mostly about amp and IR
@KevinHeiderich
2 жыл бұрын
@@T1000qc yes it's an Axe fx II. So no preset?
@T1000qc
2 жыл бұрын
@@KevinHeiderich If I am not mistaken it would not work with my FM9.
@KevinHeiderich
2 жыл бұрын
@@T1000qc Almost forgot to answer, so, I thought the newer Axe-Fx were backwards compatible without a hassle. Damn, but according to the internet you can convert axe fx II presets with the fractal-bot. So I uploaded the preset, but also pictures of the blocks in case you can't use the preset. I'm also on the Ares 2.0 firmware so I think the sound should be fairly close. It's actually a pretty simple and basic preset. Just the "Das Metall" amp with at stock "1x12 Studio" cab. I highlighted the things I canged with red so you should have an easy time copying all the the settings. I did record with less with less input drive but increased it when I was reamping to make it sound fuller. But everything between 2.5 and 5 should work depending on your guitar and how much gain you prefer. The most important changes are the fat switch and also the bright switch. But I decreased the bright cap so it doesn't sound too much like that tubescreamer tightness. Gorod did have a kind of flubby sound back then, so that's what I wanted to mimic. If you want a tighter sound just increase the bright cap.The rest are just eq changes. I often crank the mids on the amp because of the way it changes the feel. Keep in mind that I still made some eq changes in my DAW. Those were a wide mid cut around 1db and then a presence boost to make it cut through the mix a bit better. I have the bad habit of having too much low mids and not enough presence. It's just what I prefer when playing along. Axe fx II Preset: drive.google.com/file/d/1eYh8MUg6l9XFwkwNUFnj0cwqgJvnU3fH/view?usp=sharing Amp block: drive.google.com/file/d/1OcTt8f6HL01zuvGxiH5GJt7OpvFDinB9/view?usp=sharing Cab block: drive.google.com/file/d/13NQJ0r2fI2Mcz3rOjBUxKngOaTpyXH4Q/view?usp=sharing
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