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@bentonmarcum8924

2 ай бұрын

Ever noticed future guns never have trigger guards.?

They neglected that man.

@shadowfoxarchon5021

2 ай бұрын

They didn't neglect him they went back as soon as they wer able but not far enough

@z0ned_out

2 ай бұрын

​@@shadowfoxarchon5021 so they're a disgrace of a friend and fucking idiots? Amazing

@Mess7739

2 ай бұрын

​@@shadowfoxarchon5021 They neglected him. They neglected him as a person and as a man, they threatened him and judged him harshly for actions they deemed apocalyptic which were resulted from their careless actions. It was a disgusting episode in my opinion, and how anyone could think that the crew has any respect for Gordon is beyond me, especially when compared to other incidents the crew had to "clean up" including Kelly's "accidental" religious cult.

@Chef-Boyoassugly

2 ай бұрын

​@Mess7739 in the episode they go back get 2015 him and tell him everything that happened. and he says that he was in the wrong for being so selfish and breaking the rules

@shadowfoxarchon5021

2 ай бұрын

@Mess7739 did you watch the episode or just clips cuz he was messing with the machine and their ship was attacked causing a power surge triggering the device sending him back from the ships point of view he was gone a few minutes to an hour befor they got the transition from hundreds of years in the past giving them a time they then had to find him after the ship jumped to the wrong time witch no calculations wer proven concrete due to No one ever doing it ther was nk neglect just bad timing and laws

According to the multiverse theory, when they go back in time they will create a whole other reality that won’t conflict with this one.

@MrVaNeFire

2 ай бұрын

based

@movieloverfan18

2 ай бұрын

I hope that is the way it works. I hope this timeline continues to exist when the new one is created. Just a hope.

@redragon1990

2 ай бұрын

Nope, what you are referring to is string theory.

@randomusernumber1

2 ай бұрын

Is that better or worse you think ? If this timeline vanishes then Gordon wont remember anything and only the rest of the crew will have to carry the burden of what they did . If this timeline continues The crew will still have to bare the guilt of not knowing if they erased everything but now there is an added bonus of a Gordon living his life not knowing if the rest of the crew went back and if he is just going to vanish one day .

@realplayer9603

2 ай бұрын

The multiverse theory says that when he went back he created a whole new timeline with him in it, when they go back again and take him away the one where he was there for 10 years will still exist as will one where he didn't go back nine the first place, the trick is to travel forward to the time line where his presence was momentarily in the past. The other universes will continue separately.

But kelly can start an entire religion around herself

@rowangaming404

2 ай бұрын

To be fair, I don't think she meant to

@adambrown3918

2 ай бұрын

I'm okay with Kelly worship. She looks great in a Wonder Woman costume. 😂

@neil5418

2 ай бұрын

​@@rowangaming404but gordon waited for 3 years alone tho, no contact and no help with any human, That's just sad

@domricci8208

2 ай бұрын

​@rowangaming404 to be fair, gordon didnt mean to get sent back to 2015, but when he got stranded he moved on

@paulbarry7760

2 ай бұрын

He got to get food​@@neil5418

There's several problems with their policy on this, Gordon was right, he could not completely get out of history's way. The best he could do was what he did. He created an identity, and took a job that was relatively unimportant. He could have done a lot worse... Could you imagine how much money he could have made by advancing tech at Google or Apple? Overall, the best decision would have been to take him and his family back to the Future... By taking them out of the timeline, it undoes any potential ramifications of his family lineage to the Future. There should be some ramifications for him starting a family, as opposed to just living as a bachelor... But the entire situation was out of his control.

@jangelaclough5457

2 ай бұрын

But what if her existence in the timeline WAS important? That's the issue.

@grottlesgrotto6152

2 ай бұрын

@@jangelaclough5457 honestly the biggest reason this is a WTF to me is that they have records of his existence back in this timeline to track him down. Meaning for all technical purposes he should have been left there, he had already gone native to the time and place. And the entire system they have and federation are intact, so why fuck with the time line even further fighting with him to get him back?

@idcgaming518

2 ай бұрын

​@@grottlesgrotto6152exactly.

@anandisrocking007

2 ай бұрын

Well it could even mean that the issue has not happened yet in the future and it could take hundreds to thousands of years for it to show as his desendands can multiply to thousands by then😢

@s0ulshot

2 ай бұрын

Every step he takes effects the world in some way. He took some mechanics job? Someone lost a job meant to them has infinitely complex consequences for humanity. Maybe those variations don't matter, but who knows? Maybe universe exists all at once and flukes like these just don't matter as it self adjusts to the changes. Past present and future all changing at once, which makes no sense, but also makes all the sense.

I hate this episode so much, the crew is so damn arrogant and they treat Gordon's family like they're barely thinking animals

@z0ned_out

2 ай бұрын

They're from the 21st century, of course they treat them like that

@vitaliydvorkin1342

2 ай бұрын

I mean, it's heartbreaking, but it's what should happen. It's actually a really good representation of what following a code means. Sometimes, you have to follow the rule even if you don't have any evidence that following it is the right thing to do.

@thementlegent9592

2 ай бұрын

By the logic of your statement you’ve justified the Spanish Inquisition, the crusades, the Salem witch trials. All religion is, is people following a code that they aren’t sure if following it is the right thing or not. If you as a person isn’t allowed to question something then how advanced can a society actual be. If they themselves aren’t sure if their rules are effective then how are they different from religious dogma? Answer is they aren’t, they’re just pretentious buttholes who think they’re smart, but in all reality are just as terrified as the farmers running to the church for safety against the black plague which was obviously a curse from god for the worlds poor behavior.

@tiltantheluckyone

2 ай бұрын

it's because those people are a bug in the universe. they never existed and were never supposed to exist. beside, the union rules are literally to not get involved with under developed planets, how many lifes that they could have saved have they forsaken? how many pleas for help from oppressed people have they observed without intervening? this is just another one of those times.

@matthewvollmer2066

2 ай бұрын

@@vitaliydvorkin1342so just blindly… “follow orders”

I know Kelly didn't mean to start that religion, but she fucked up that entire timeline and world way worse than anything he's done and she didn't even get half the shit 😂 there literally gonna make his kids cease to exist

@Tanooki_leaf

2 ай бұрын

What? When she even touch the Time line?

@dragon091327

2 ай бұрын

Yeah but one might argue that was meant to happen, while this wasn’t, one isn’t messing with the timeline

@lonknight3197

2 ай бұрын

Ok what harm would they do , if they just took his family with him into the future. STAR TREK did it with the whales and girl scienctist.

@ABEL-cd2sp

2 ай бұрын

​@@lonknight3197 you gotta remember this is science fiction shit, but simply put multiple timelines were existing at the same time, in the original one the woman died 300 years before Gordon found her phone, so simply put they were erasing an entire person from the existing history with actual untold consequences, hence the butterfly effect. Different shows do things differently some say fuck all but at the end of the day it all depends on the plot and nothing more.

@SubhamChowdhury97

2 ай бұрын

Lead's ex-wife theory

Gordon may not remember it but those crew members definitely will

@nicolala7132

2 ай бұрын

And they probably wouldn't even care because its the greater good

@goldenheartOh

2 ай бұрын

​@@nicolala7132normally these characters would let it slide, but for the sake of the plot, they are super serious in this case. In isolation, it's a very well written episode, but it doesn't jive with character consistency.

@titansshallreturn5894

2 ай бұрын

No, they won't. Technically, that impossible how could you remember something that never happened

@aokhoinguyenang3992

2 ай бұрын

I hope there will be an episode where they remember the fact that they were saved by a time traveller. That would have make a great conflict with what they did here in episode."Why do they deserve to live, while Gordon children don't?"

@anniefemmas5097

Ай бұрын

​@@titansshallreturn5894 Because when they travel they remember it

Yeah this is one time the crew felt like villains to me.

@SuperPyrrho

2 ай бұрын

I was hoping that in a later episode, some masked villain would use time-based weaponry and hunt down the crew of the Orville, and it would be this Gordon from an alternate timeline.

@Arbidarb

2 ай бұрын

100% the villians.

@bonslurpenstein

2 ай бұрын

Yeah the crew are 100% pieces of shit for "going by the book" on this and having 0 consideration for the very valid points being made.

@shridharbiju7370

Ай бұрын

There was no valid point being made. Gordon was grasping at straws so that he could keep this reality intact. He had no idea what the consequences of his actions were going to be. When past kelly made one change in her past, it created a vastly different timeline and that was just time difference of 7 years. Gordon was 400 years in the past. The domino effect from that would be enormous. Any one of his future descendants could end up changing the world forever. Not to mention, the original descendants of Laura would never exist. The position he was in was hard but Ed was right here.

@LukeLovesRose

Ай бұрын

Yeah. Was this intentional or accidental?

Cap shouldn’t’ve showed his cards by mentioning 2015. If anything, he should’ve played with a poker face and left. There would’ve been less pain and less bickering about the whole issue.

@jaredthompson2918

2 ай бұрын

Ya probably, more dramatic for the show tho

@gabrieldasilva7970

2 ай бұрын

This captain and the whole crew are clowns, arrogant assholes.

@MSinger1974

2 ай бұрын

Agreed! He put that man, his best friend, through way more pain and suffering for absolutely NOTHING.

@D3R3bel

Ай бұрын

If they had the power to go back to 2015 to get him....... Why not do it in the first place?

@PooMonkeyMan

Ай бұрын

@@D3R3bel From what I understood, their first jump couldn’t be dialled in to be that accurate, hence why they landed 10 years after the arrival date. However, a different team was dialling in the settings and gathering enough fuel to launch the second jump back to 2015 to stop the nonsense that took place and save their crew mate.

Bro that’s fucked

@daviswhite3591

2 ай бұрын

This episode has allegorical references to a DS9 episode. Chief O'Brian is arrested on a diplomatic mission and accused of espionage by a new first contact race type scenario. He's innocent. Lack of understanding. He is sentenced to prison. Hard labor. His wife divorces him, his daughter disowns him, eventually he learns his friends die in war. His escape attempts are punished harshly. His prison friends are murdered. He grows old and psychotic. Bitter. Broken. Begging for death. .... Then he's woken up. The Federation petitioned for his release. He was in a mind prison. He'd only been "gone" for a few hours. The aliens use mind prisons instead of physical ones. O'Brian's wife, kid and friends were fine. He was going home. This mind-firked him. He had severe PTSD. He did more time in the mind prison than his real life. Then the show just glosses over it.

@Randy-ry9ss

2 ай бұрын

He did it to himself!

I don't understand why the captain was so evil to his friend. They made contact, saw that he'd given up and as soon as they knew plan b was a go they could have backed off. The emotional bit, the drama for the TV show, never would have happened. Even older Gordon would have worked it out, but not terrorized his family with existential dread. The captain coulda, woulda, shoulda granted Gordon that grace, didn't

Props for the line "the door or the floor!?!" This is the first I've heard it and I have to say I like it. I'm glad that character got to say it!

@Cybeldar

2 ай бұрын

Totally using that if anyone ever breaks into my house.

@xerothedarkstar

2 ай бұрын

It goes incredibly hard and I'm glad they gave it to this character.

You gotta admit its rather messed up in many ways that there just ok with essentially killing his family his life and making him all unaware of it hell they dont even tell him and i can imagine when he does find out he would want to quit after that

@pikachufantastic

2 ай бұрын

Or a revolt might happen since if they were willing to do this once what's to stop them from constantly doing it to keep things how they want

@DANYELASF

2 ай бұрын

They aren't dead , they never existed

@pikachufantastic

2 ай бұрын

@@DANYELASF temporal erasure is the same as killing for all intents and purposes

@adrenjones9301

2 ай бұрын

@@DANYELASF Thats generally what dead means, not existing.

@rolandorban6248

2 ай бұрын

​@@adrenjones9301😂😂😂 I kinda laughed at that idk why

Can’t even gift him the peace of mind. They didn’t need to tell him they were gonna erase his life lmfao.

@NathanRedd2430

2 ай бұрын

It didn’t matter bc he wouldn’t remember until Ed told him after going back for him in 2015

@onescaryapothiconboi7475

2 ай бұрын

​@@NathanRedd2430 Yeah, but telling him you are going to do that is immoral. You are giving 3 people incredible emotional distress.

Why even tell him, they should of just said bye and went back in time

@ulysses-pact

2 ай бұрын

That's straight up psycological terror

@marcobreedt1661

2 ай бұрын

Mmhmm sad and ethical my only disapproval of this episode is not trying to find a loophole as this is not yet a fixed piont it can still be molded and bended to give everyone involved a better choice and that's just it cptn mercer didn't even consider to give the rest of maloys family a choice or a say after all they are human with moral rights that basacly burthed the moral values of the union they forgot that part

@marcobreedt1661

2 ай бұрын

I mean even star fleet would consider a loophole and some cptns in starfleet aren't even human and still they would reconsider

@TennisOnion

22 күн бұрын

They thought they needed the expositional dialog to make it more dramatic and fill time. It's called (lack of) good writing.

Damn, now I can't unsee how evil they all are

@lewisallan9963

2 ай бұрын

Timeline needs to be fixed. It's not fun...its sad but it is true

@freekill1018

2 ай бұрын

​​@@lewisallan9963I'd just let the timeline go I mean who's to say it wasn't meant to go crazy anyway who are we to be involved at any point or stage.

@spottedslash4256

2 ай бұрын

​@@freekill1018 that's just wish fulfillment.

@Arbidarb

2 ай бұрын

​@@lewisallan9963 What do you mean "fixed"? The new timeline is just as relevant as any other timeline. Changing it is exactly as problematic as the any change made before. All you're doing is choosing the timeline you prefer at that point.

@user-sz9ki2gd1n

2 ай бұрын

Yeah, the probelm with that script is they came across as complete pricks. They could've achieved the same result by doing it without being so mean as to tell him what they planned to do.

Both are in the wrong. No one should've messed with time. That machine shouldn't even exist.

@darkzodiac1923

2 ай бұрын

Exactly I don’t understand why the union allows experimentation with time machines but has so many laws against time jumping

@salvadoranguiano9053

2 ай бұрын

​@@darkzodiac1923 I think at first they did time jumping for fun but then they realized that they accidentally created multiple timelines and this made those laws. I am not 100% sure though

@drupimlott1300

2 ай бұрын

​@@darkzodiac1923 they basically said we're gonna police and keep it secret, but you can't stop the march of progress. They even encounter time travellers in another episode. It's basically "we can't trust anyone with it right now, let's hope people are sensible in a millennium or two and can avoid fucking up the space time Continuum."

@aaaahhhh247

2 ай бұрын

The guy with the family was left in 2015 for ten years. I don't blame him for thinking he wasn't getting brought back and settling down

@giovannymorales8761

2 ай бұрын

@@drupimlott1300 if say the next millennium or so we are responsible then we should be responsible enough not to use it.

He should have gone out fighting. I still hate they didn’t have him actively fight them from leaving. Yes it should happen and yes the ending makes sense but seeing him fight tooth and nail would have been better, because he’s right too. They abandoned him then blamed him for being human.

@leonardhollsten8145

2 ай бұрын

Abandoned how? Explain to me how they abandoned him?

As a person they did Gordon dirty so many times. In this episode they were 10 years late to get him. So he eventually made a family. He has a wife and kid. So they go back 10 years to prevent all that. So Gordon has no idea. But captain still knows. In a different episode Issac cut off Gordon's leg as a joke. So they re grow his leg. But put him to work before his leg is done. Then later he gets stabbed in the new leg.

Now imagine the TVA in this situation

@_The_Phantom

2 ай бұрын

Prune🕹️

@uli659

2 ай бұрын

@@_The_Phantom well they don’t do that anymore

@freekill1018

2 ай бұрын

​@@uli659still did it tho.

Nah, it's been established that the timeline branches out, they talk about it with Gordon and his sandwich for Pete's sake, these guys brought back a Gordon from a different timeline. Meaning this Gordon made a choice and from there it branches, he's happy with his family while the crew get to be guilty as they gaslight themselves to thinking it was for the good of "not threatening the timeline"

@arkoisagoodboy

2 ай бұрын

What's worse is that this Gordon is with his family but because of this interaction, he and his family live with existential dread of what could happen

Meanwhile, by their own logic the Orville and it's crew shouldn't even exist in this timeline. By remaining alive and well (something they condemn Gordon for), they are a walking middle finger to the very laws they are trying to enforce on him. The Orville and its crew are a walking tidal wave of a paradox, and they can't even be bothered to bend the rules for someone they claim to care for. Freaking hypocrits

@somethingbanter

2 ай бұрын

yeah I keep thinking about that. They all remember the events of this timeline meaning it must still exist in some capacity at least through them. Also the fuel they were using which was from here should've disappeared before they could even use it if they were intending to use it to erase this reality. none of this makes any sense even by their own logic because it's badly written.

@Candleknight

2 ай бұрын

Yeah, if they were gonna be such sticklers for the "time rules" then by all rights they should have allowed their ship to be destroyed and everyone already dead waaaaay back in that other time travel episode. Total hypocrites!

@aaronmontgomery2055

2 ай бұрын

So that's not how the logic applies. The reason they exist is because they sent him back and they eventually pick him up further in the past. Nothing is actually wrong with the logic as this timeline never actually existed.

@aokhoinguyenang3992

2 ай бұрын

@@aaronmontgomery2055 I think he meant to saisd that they themselves were saved by a time traveler, they should have died long ago. But since they forgot they aren't aware that they broke the rule

@avon_c6199

Ай бұрын

@@somethingbanter Branching timelines, something that was somewhat adressed by John Lamarr, although jokingly, with the scene around the sandwhich send back/forward in time. As soon as you interfer with events either forward or backward from your own timeline, that timeline then branches off from that point, so essentially then two individual timelines exist parallel to each other...and the more you jump around, the more you try to "fix" something, the more branches you create.

Ha, when he shouts about murder he sounds like Steve from American Dad. Same actor / voice ofc but still funny.

@Mewse1203

2 ай бұрын

Dude, I didn't know that. That's Hella cool. I knew Bortus is on Family Guy's newer seasons, but that's cool

@anonymouspyramids6192

2 ай бұрын

@@Mewse1203 Oh thats funny, I didn't know Bortus' voice actor was on Family Guy. Now that you mention it though he sounds a lot like Peter's boss at the brewery.

@Mewse1203

2 ай бұрын

@anonymouspyramids6192 that's him!

They neglected him, and murdered his kids basically and then found a version of him WHO WOULD APOLOGIZE TO THEM FOR IT, its actually sickening

If they go 10yrs back and take him out, then he will not have been there 10yrs into the future when they thought to go 10yrs back

@somethingbanter

2 ай бұрын

Yeah because the show is written by people who don't understand anything about time travel and just want to create drama for no reason.

@marcobreedt1661

2 ай бұрын

Sadly this is true star trek has a much better and ethical approach on reorientating the timeliness on its original course while ensuring that all parties involved are satisfied with whatever outcome is chosen on

@aaronmontgomery2055

2 ай бұрын

yes and no. What happens is that the original timeline is kept intact but this one disappears. This becomes a reality for the bit they exist there but once they leave it would have already been gone.

@lordhawkeye

2 ай бұрын

Assume that is true why say anything? Just wish him luck and leave. To tell Gordan you are going further back and erasing everything he has done for the last decade is just so cruel and unneeded.

@Arbidarb

2 ай бұрын

All time travel is paradoxical.

They're acting so high and mighty, like they KNOW what they're doing is the right thing. They think they're gods.

@Bilski86

2 ай бұрын

Or they’re literally doing the safe thing. “Hey I have an idea let’s fuck with time”

@Arbidarb

2 ай бұрын

​@@Bilski86They're the ones messing with the established time at that point.

@Bilski86

2 ай бұрын

@@Arbidarb it’s a lose lose either way I guess. Back to the future may not be accurate but there is one message we can agree on. DO NOT MESS WITH TIME 😆

Thats disgusting to just decide for him. Iff in their time everything is still fine it means it didn't alter much. They have no empathy for him.

He has a point no one should play God with time And who are they to say this reality was never meant to exist That's not up to you to decide that

@marcobreedt1661

2 ай бұрын

Well the only way one can play God with history is changing actual historical moments that one knows will have a direct impact on the future this is just blind discipline

@Bonnjjiouswine

2 ай бұрын

TVA JUDGE: what Gordon did is supposed to happen, and you are not. He has a family in that timeline as the timekeeper dictating.

Not gonna lie soon as he said we will go back 5 years! Zap zap zap full power!

Gordon is so right. Him traveling back was the timeline they went and removed him this altering the standard flow

You gonna kill us? , you or my children? Any last words?

@gabrieldasilva7970

2 ай бұрын

Exactly my toughts, the moment they say they're going back and erasing everything (including the kid) I would've just ''erased'' them from that timeline.

Imagine if they make a new season that involves Gordon turns evil because they took his family because of the timeliness so he teams up with the robots to disable the human weapons that kill the bots

That was freaking evil...the callous way they are going to do that...they are not playing...they are playing the devol

From a crew that already time travelled to change things.

Gordon is always getting the crap end of the stick

Past Jelly literally destroyed everything and caused a galactic apocalypse by altering the course of time not that they remember that.

This episode pissed me off ngl. Dude finally found true love and they kept trying everything to tske it away cause theyre the ones who fucked up the jump. I believe they occurred in different timeline tho thankfully like in one timeline he died and thats how they found out in the first place.

Remember when the crew of the Orville was OK with altering the timeline to save themselves back in season 1? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

They could have just not told him. Like it was way more fucked up to tell him and distress him more and upset his family.

I mean technically the moment he went back by accident, the moment they missed they should nit interacted at all cause they would have been making active intentional changes to the new time

Captain could've totally just NOT said anything. Like, let this version feel at peace, happy, even if it is only a few moments more. It was not necessary to tell this version that he or this present family is going to be wiped from existence. Just go back in time without a word and go along your way.

Gordon's plea after that when the others leave is heartbreaking.

Coldest scene in TV or movies. They did him so wrong. “Don’t want to go with us? No problem, we’ll just go further back in time.”

This event singlehandedly killed all interest I had in watching the series. Well done, writers.

They could have done that without saying right to Gordon because then Gordon has all the reason to stun them to prevent them 😅

"The door or the floor" goes hard

They were unnecessary cruel to him. They also didn't need to tell him that they would go back another ten years and thus prevent his family from existing. It was like rubbing salt into a wound

And that’s when he realized they needed to die

"Oops, we arrived ten years off. Well, let's certainly not approach this timeline's Gordon. Why worry him? From that obituary we read, he's having a fine time. Instead, lets just go dig up some time fuel, best far from any population center, then we'll pop back 10 years, rescue Gordon right on time, and head back home. Maybe this current Gordon life will do like a split-off multiverse thing, who knows? And if we do wipe out Gordon's existence here, no need to stress him out about it."

@marcobreedt1661

2 ай бұрын

A branch time line

The most heartbreaking episode in this series.

I'm glad to see people calling the bs of this episode out. The hypocrisy of Ed and Kelly are off the scale. Kelly contaminated a society and was worshipped. Ed changed time by not letting his crew/ship be destroyed in that storm that the time traveler saved them from. None of them should exist but here they are. So Gordon not only loses his family he regresses as a character overall. Trash writing.

@LukeLovesRose

Ай бұрын

I cant believe no one in Eds crew objected to this. But MacFarlane can fix this by showing the consequences of not following the prime directive. And then bring this Gordon back to get revenge on the Orville.

I actually agree with for ten how his being so wrong be in past

This kind of reminds me of those South Park post covid specials.

What makes their decision to ruin Gordon's new life even worse is that they're not even doing it to save the timeline they're doing it to save the timeline where their federation has power.

Leave my man Gordon alone

If they can go back 10 years to pick up his past self... what was the point of seeing this version of him?

@somethingbanter

2 ай бұрын

they only had enough fuel or whatever to go this far back and they stupidly decided to approach him here instead of staying out of it until they could go a little further to the correct time.

Why did they even tell him about the plan to skip back 10 years? That seemed so cruel and unnecessary.

That was the one time I thought the captain took things too far. Cause you're basically ending a child's life and ruining your friends family 😅

Ironic, he basically playing god with that phrase, and then being terrible captain. Filling his family with existential fear.

Wait, i havent watched The Orville much But if they had the power to go back and get him from the second he went back in time. Why did they go through the trouble for doing all this. They traumatized this man. And told him he was nothing. And his life. His world, and his family meant nothing. Just to tell him. "Well, we will just go back to the beginning and stop this. And you can't do shit, and you have to obey." Why not just. You know. DO THAT TO BEGIN WITH! Idk, if its just the lack of not watching this episode. But that seems pretty fucking stupid, for people thousands of years ahead in the future. To think that THIS. Is the most logical way to go about this...

@Blind_Watcher

2 ай бұрын

Cheap melodrama.

I always wished there had been more ramifications to this decision later in the season. Ed feeling guilty for doing the right thing, knowing how much of a betrayal it was to Gordon, and Gordon having recurring memories of this life that was erased. Ed also could have chosen not to tell Gordon what he was going to do. Telling them was probably the cruelest thing you could do since theres nothing they can do to stop it.

Technically, Gordon eyes in 2025 will not be changed, he will continue. But for 2015 Gordon, well his journey is to come back to the distant future.

@LukeLovesRose

Ай бұрын

He'll be more angry and ruthless than Khan

He should take his children and leave his wife to have never met him and live her life in the proper timeline.

Just have them his family go back with him to the future

@marcobreedt1661

2 ай бұрын

That would be the best course of action seeing as they (the family..sorry I forgot the gals caracter name) are not a significant part of the time line taking them to the future won't upset anaything as Gordon's wife did not contribute to anay significant historical event

Honestly, I was expecting Erased Gordon to be the final boss of the series. Comes back with some Time Dreadnought to erase those who took everything from him.

Number one rule of the Orville is Gordon is never allowed to be happy.

The captain just trying to wipe his ass covering the crime he has done abandoning his crew in the past.

@rory8182

2 ай бұрын

it wasn't his fault, Gordon was sent back in time completely out of anyones control, and the captain is trying to get him back

What episode is this

@kprairiesun

2 ай бұрын

I found on Hulu under New Horizons, episode 6

@marcobreedt1661

2 ай бұрын

S3 e6

The fact that Gordon’s obituary exists in the Orville’s database means that his 21st Century life and death are already part of Earth’s history. Removing him from the 21st Century would cause a paradox. I am betting that rescuing him in 2015 created an alternate timeline. The twist is that the timeline where Gordon died in the 21st Century is the actual timeline that the Orville is from. A bigger question is did any of the Orville crew ever tell Gordon what they did to his alternate timeline family?

You know this is drama. No one hears at fault. No one here is like completely absolved of guilt. I love this. This is like a moral impasse. I love it and Gordon being the one to do it. It's just perfect cuz he's the sweetest guy

To be fair, Gordon is the best here as he was able to do. What back to the Future does so blend in He didn't create himself as a big important at the guy. He just played the average Joe smo In all honesty the Orville could have easily taken the novel. Yes, it's screwing with time but time is already being screwed with to begin with And other members have done it use it to their advantage so

Won't that create a time paradox making it more f*cked that it is now😂. They operate a time machine and don't know the basics 😅.

@somethingbanter

2 ай бұрын

They even say during the episode that nobody actually knows how time travel works so all of this drama basically for something they don't even know anything about.

@dk30604

2 ай бұрын

@@somethingbanter ikr

The discussion on these clips is good…. The entire point of this episode (And so many other storylines in both Orville and Star Trek) is to create this discussion surrounding the morality of various situations people could find themselves in in these SciFi universes. I think this is one of the best time travel stories ever put to screen period. Because all of them are right and all of them are wrong. There a simply is so much to think about and discuss regarding the ramifications of what happens here that there is no way to actually BE right or wrong. First thing first though; I see a lot of people who obviously haven’t actually seen the episode or understood what happened in it. Gordon was accidentally sent back in time when he tried to destroy the Aronov device during a Kaylon attack (The Aronov device manipulates objects through time and the Kaylon wanted it so they could change history, so Ed ordered the device destroyed before they could get it). After the crew determined he had been sent to the year 2015 they immediately tried to use the Aronov device to send the ship back to 2015 to get him. However the device only had enough Dysonium (its fuel source) to send the ship back to 2025, ten years after Gordon arrived. They didn’t abandon him or forget about him, they simply didn’t have enough fuel to make the entire journey. While in 2025 they found a dysonium source that they had to mine in order to power the device, and they tracked down Gordon who had now lived in the past for 10 years. They found he had created a life for himself and had a family in the past, which is a very bad thing because it could do untold damage to the timeline; people being born (or not being born) who make a big impact on history could potentially make a dramatic change 200 years in the future. Gordon refuses to leave his family (As anybody should expect) so with the Aronov device refueled Ed leaves him and takes the ship back another 10 years into the past and rescues Gordon only a few months after he appeared in 2015, having never left isolation or started a family. Gordon was wrong: To do anything which changed the past. He should have continued isolating himself, or committed suicide once he gave up home of being rescued. Marrying the woman he married changed her life. Perhaps the kids she didn’t have in the original timeline were instrumental in creating the Union, or establishing space travel. Maybe with future knowledge from his father the son Gordon has with her in the alternate timeline will alter humanity’s timeline for entering space as well. That could change Humanity’s entire place in the galaxy in the future. Gordon was right: He couldn’t have isolated himself, or been expected to do so for 10 years. He understandably felt abandoned (Even though he wasn’t) and his actions of seeking out someone to spend a life with, despite being wrong, are understandable. Ed and Kelly were right: Gordon shouldn’t have been allowed to stay on Earth in the past. He shouldn’t have been allowed to start a family. He shouldn’t have been allowed to change history. Ed and Kelly were wrong: They arrived ten years too late to change anything. The timeline had already been corrupted. Showing up in Gordon’s life and expecting him to abandon what he’d built for those ten years was simply harsh and not the correct solution. Leaving his son without a father, wife without a husband…. And to emphasize, it didn’t address the corruption that had already occurred to the timeline. The damage was already done, and taking Gordon away at that point was closing the barn door after the horse has escaped. Ed and Kelly were wrong to show up in Gordon’s life and expect to take him away from it. They should have never entered the timeline themselves and sought him out, but instead they should have focused on refueling the Aronov device and continuing the journey to 2015 so they could rescue him while corrupting the timeline as little as possible. One more random thought: The alternate timeline that Gordon created still exists IMHO. The crew left him there, with his family. They’re there, we saw them. They don’t simply cease to exist when the crew leaves to fetch Gordon from the earlier past, or they’d have never existed to begin with, and since we saw them they clearly exist. Just in an alternate reality. Paradoxes can be fun, but if this show is ever greenlit for more seasons I expect this parallel universe to turn up again as The Orville’s version of the Star Trek Mirror universe, where Gordon’s contamination of the timeline has altered history in a major way and humanity is either a much more aggresive, bad species, or they’re on the backburner of the universe and used as slaves.

So Gordon having a personal life bad, but allowing that blonde lady to save the Orville many episodes prior, good. 100% the Orville being saved affected the timeline, they even reinforced that during the Kaylon Arc.

But aren't you playing god by "fixing" history, tho it's already been "rewritten," but from there perspectives, that's the original timelime, so who's really playing God?

The fuel they “borrowed”, that act alone, should be examined for temporal repercussions

"The Door or The Floor" is crazyyy 😅😂

They didn’t have to tell him that stuff. They wanted to. They just loved to pretend they had the moral high ground and watch him and his family suffer before they end them.

That was probably one of the hardest hitting episodes from that series.

It might have been worth risking bringing Gordon and his family into the future aboard the Orville rather having their existence end.

"What are you gonna do kill us" yes without hesitation or apology 😊

@LukeLovesRose

Ай бұрын

Theyre clearly not being apologetic or remorseful.

A lot of people miss the point.. they took an easier jump first and LET him suffer alone for years where they couldve done the longer jump to where he hadnt suffered as much (never watched the show, no clue if they addressed it)

You know, when Zorg Lightyear wanted to restart his timeline, the entire movie labeled him as the villain, and now here, heroes are doing the exact same thing

Damn, one of the best story lines in all science fiction, in my opinion

The "we'll see you soon" is so coldhearted

This episode hit harder than most Star Trek episodes are willing. Keep waiting for the happy fix everything solution, and it never comes.

This was an entertaining but tough episode to watch in regards to how they fix this issue. I think what makes it hard is at the end of the episode. Gordon was fine with it because they picked him up back in 2015 so these people never existed in his life.

TBH I love this episode and it's one of the most nuanced takes on the whole morals of time travel thing I've ever seen

It never made sense to me why they just didn’t bring Gordon’s family with him? Even in her video diaries his “wife” expressed that she was depressed and lonely because SHE had no one in her life. I mean blonde started a whole fucking religion about herself, and the robot decided to agree that genocide was a better solution and end all races!

Gordon is in the right. He's not hurting the timeline. They're just being idiots.

Probably the best episode and was such a heartbreaking episode you understand both sides completely and yet we still want Gordon to have this W but understand he cant due to possible effects hurts more when Gordon doesn't know and like i was selfish

Really felt for Gordon in this episode and was disgusted at their treatment of him and his family.

Really, at the point they were telling me they were killing my kids, that phaser setting goes up a notch.

@LukeLovesRose

Ай бұрын

Yep

I kinda hope they do some sort of Marvel type trick to have this specific Gordon come back and he becomes the villain of a season, wanting revenge on Mercer and the Union

The fact that they argued with him to begin with, they could have just chosen to leave that reality alone and go to 2015. They didn't need to go through that. 😅

This moment made me furious to the point I stopped watching the show, after all those years if nothing bad had happened from his actions nothing bad was ever going to happen! Gordon deserved to be happy and they took away the perfect life he always wanted.

I actually as a sci-Fi guy appreciated this episode a lot

This basically like that one episode in South Park where Cartman had a family and became humble but his friends changed the timeline.

They could have checked history to see if he did anything to damaging. He may have just lived a quiet life and not much would have changed.