The DMC sign is 10 out of 10

@ChrisWTube

5 жыл бұрын

Bry Guy needs a Red Queen replica next to it

@VGJunky

5 жыл бұрын

@@ChrisWTube and we get Ben to wear Nero's jacket

@Huckleberry42

5 жыл бұрын

I wish it had a black background looking at it now is kinda trippy like your seeing double

@MrXmoda

5 жыл бұрын

where did they get it?

@nickgeurtsen

5 жыл бұрын

@@Huckleberry42 Agreed. They should ditch the clear acrylic piece.

33:33 The only part that matters.

@thebiggreen4060

5 жыл бұрын

All those threes... The numbers, WHAT DO THEY MEAN!?

@generalwoofles6240

5 жыл бұрын

We almost lost Kyle on that one.

@musiclover462

5 жыл бұрын

Bosman's reaction xD

@Playerz714

5 жыл бұрын

I mean those jokes that were said at the Game Awards were that bad also

@fedwyn

5 жыл бұрын

That joke gave Kyle cancer

came back to watch this since stadia's shutting down today, that bit at 33:33 is hysterical

They left the big question unanswered: What is the difference between RPGs and NPCs? Are they gonna left us all hanging?

@MilloLP

5 жыл бұрын

man... no. just dont.... ._.

I feel like the best response to the Google Stadia conference is - 'OK Google'

1:11:37 "imagine the endless breathing down your neck, imagine the endless breathing down your neck, imagine the..."

@MikedieONE

5 жыл бұрын

the power of streaming...

@anthonyangioy969

5 жыл бұрын

LMFAO

@MikeSW

5 жыл бұрын

Is it "Imagine the endless breathing down your neck." or "Imagine the Endless breathing down your neck?"

@ShazzleDazzle87

5 жыл бұрын

Was almost cry laughing at this in eza weekly clips, so now I'm watching the whole thing just for Kyle's reacts

that Devil may cry neon sign, classy AF

The biggest take-away from here is that Matt Pat does not breathe*, he moves from sentence to sentence without inhales. *Unless it's down your neck, endlessly.

@randybobandy3840

5 жыл бұрын

He just kept talking in one long incredibly unbroken sentence moving from topic to topic so that no-one had a chance to interrupt; it was really quite hypnotic.

@ekoms108

5 жыл бұрын

@@randybobandy3840 his KZread voice took over his IRL voice

The last time Phil Harrison was on stage, Someone announced $599 and wanted us to fight giant enemy crabs for massive damage.

@retrops4261

5 жыл бұрын

Not true, he then went to Atari? Then Gaikai (which Sony bought) then Microsoft (XBOX1 launch, lol) and now to Google....anyway..every company he joins has a horrible launch of the product (since the PS3) and duck demos and utter BS demos in 2005, Giant enemy crabs embarrassment in 2006, Cloud processing "magic" in 2013,. "high-end" game streaming with Gaikei (2014-5?) Google Stadia 2019... This thing is clearly bound for success... Right? Right? .. guys?

@Kawayolnyo

5 жыл бұрын

*RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRIIIIIIiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiIIIDGE*

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@EpicKillstreak

5 жыл бұрын

You mean exactly like they can do this right now on Origin, Uplay, Battle.net, GoG, Steam, Epic or whatever else platform?

@VillainViran

5 жыл бұрын

@@EpicKillstreak your politics wont hurt you in steam

@ShionShinigami

5 жыл бұрын

@@EpicKillstreak Not on Game Boy Color.

@sedef122003

5 жыл бұрын

How hard is it not to be a prick anyway, though?

@VillainViran

5 жыл бұрын

@@sedef122003 Dif peeps have dif ideas of what being a prick is. I don't mind mean people but others could consider rude behavior or disdain grounds for consequences, and consequences beyond natural social dynamics. If someone is insufferable, people who think so will ignore them. But if you're the only one who thinks so, the issue could be you

Phil Harrison has gone from microsoft to sony to google, but i dont think hes ever played a game.

@MithunOnTheNet

5 жыл бұрын

Sony first, Infogrames/Atari, then Microsoft and now Google.

@KingJohnMichael

5 жыл бұрын

wait wasnt he the guy who ruined the starts of the xbox one?

@TheMozardd

5 жыл бұрын

@@KingJohnMichael nope the guys ruined xbox one is Don Mattrick

@KamasamaK

5 жыл бұрын

Wow. Such an incredibly misinformed take.

@min24434

5 жыл бұрын

@@KingJohnMichael No, he's the guy who said single player games are dead.

They have every right to be skeptical. The burden of proof is on google.

@Ayoul

5 жыл бұрын

I mean, that's why they had Project Stream already. It's on the Allies for not being able to try it out. It's been proven and can only improve.

@anonysalt

5 жыл бұрын

Google has already stated it runs at approx 20GB per hour and is shown to have input lag of 100ms upwards, so yeah, don't even need to give it a chance.

Not sure why you guys are annoyed about the controller going over wifi. Since the game is being streamed the latency that matters is between the controller and the cloud instance where it's actually running. So it makes sense having it go directly to the router instead of to your device (potentially a low end device), get decoded and then forwarded to the router. It's how chrome casts work as well. They get a reference to the stream and then stream directly instead of trying to use another device as middleman. It also means they can optimise the controller in ways they couldn't if it had to interface with hundreds of different devices.

@TopCheeseBarDown

5 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Why go from controller to computer to Google server when you can go directly from controller to Google server. It's cutting out the middle man.

@Aerimaxe

5 жыл бұрын

because wifi is unreliable, and slower than hard wired. so a hardwired controller into a pc that is hardwired would be a better solution for lag, latency, and interference.

@ngwoo

5 жыл бұрын

@@Aerimaxe Assuming you have a strong wifi connection, latency will be lower than wired because that's how physics works. Removing another physical device between the input device and the game will make it even better.

@TopCheeseBarDown

5 жыл бұрын

@@Aerimaxe This streaming service isn't going to be focused on PC though. They're going to want to get more casual people that don't own a desktop and can't afford a console.

@thewisefool4049

5 жыл бұрын

@@Aerimaxe Definitely a valid point. One of their key design goals appears to be multi platform use though. So it would add complexity in design for something that may not be used by a majority of users. Maybe they'll consider it though.

Lol the best part about this was watching Kyle's disappointment face through the entire thing.

This was a great stream. I really liked the in-depth conversation about it all at the end. I think you are fully in your right to be skeptical about this.

Native Americans do play games but we don't all talk like that

Kyle's pained expressions say it all

"I don't think we'll do Nindies." Oof, reactions to Cuphead with "Our friends at Microsoft", Blaster Master Zero 2 shadow drop and Cadence of Hyrule would have been great.

33:34 When a comment is worse than a dad joke...

Eh, you guys are missing some key points. Wifi controller is actually good network design. The Wifi controller talks to your router directly instead of getting proxied via your device, so they are able to remove an entire source of network latency. So the route the packet data takes (factoring out router) ends up being: wireless controller --input--> servers --output--> device instead of: wireless controller --input--> device --input--> servers --output--> device where: input = buttons pressed output = stream video Btw, even if you don't have a wifi controller, you will still have to send input over the network to their servers so they can compute the game state, at which point they send down the rendered output (video) to your device.

@IdeaBoxful

5 жыл бұрын

Also they may use udp datagrams instead of tcp packets. Makes it faster over network..

Not owning your own games and letting another megacorporation grow even bigger? Yeah, no.

@rawleyfear5749

5 жыл бұрын

I'm 100% with you. Sadly, it seems inevitable. I'll game with a next gen console that keeps the used game market alive (publishers want this gone so badly).

@rawleyfear5749

5 жыл бұрын

@@mariolink7889 I just texted him. He said it's a "no."

@kennyofatoboiyo7447

5 жыл бұрын

Ummm...you do the ever own games period. You purchasing a game is simply you purchasing a license and the disc is the key. You have 0 ownership rights

@kennyofatoboiyo7447

5 жыл бұрын

Maybe if these guys could shut the fuck up and not talk over the presentation they would have heard it can do 4k HDR in 60 FPS

@rawleyfear5749

5 жыл бұрын

@@kennyofatoboiyo7447 You can resell physical copies. For the last 4 years, I've purchased games through BEST buy Gamers Club for $48 new, played them, and sold many of them for $40-45. That's ownership. Long term, of course there are lots of unknowns with servers, etc., so I think you have a point there.

Google sure does know how to make the technological revolution look boring haha

@734ch3r

5 жыл бұрын

They will learn that there is no place in gaming for a spy machine with censorship built in.

@BeowulfCav

5 жыл бұрын

True, after watching the Digital Foundry video about it I got much more interested.

@KingJohnMichael

5 жыл бұрын

it will still fail @@BeowulfCav

@Zetagech

5 жыл бұрын

With your speed, Internet Explorer, I'm afraid you're refering to the original iPhone announcement, right?

@Ben-do1bf

5 жыл бұрын

But Microsoft does sure know how to make things exciting. Like browsing the internet, on your favorite internet explorer, Internet Explorer!

The lag in the stream already makes me dubious about a gaming streaming service.

@sporehux8344

5 жыл бұрын

Google is detecting stream buffering, a human disposal unit has been dispatched to your location.

@baltoderpfish9471

5 жыл бұрын

@@hamndv I watched the live stream and it lagged out for me at the same point lol

Biggest red flag to me was all the "up to's" they said on stage. It can run UP TO 60fps. It can run UP TO 1080p. UP TO 4K. UP TO 8k. Well OK. And just what are the contingencies that I have to meet in order to fully benefit from those "up to's"?

One quick point about the WiFi controllers, the controller will connect to the data center directly instead of going from the PC to the data center so theoretically it would be faster

@MrCrashJohnson

5 жыл бұрын

You're still going through a router on wifi which will always be slower than ethernet. That's the point they were making

@TheGeek327

5 жыл бұрын

​ +Dennis Nedry I think what they missed, is it takes your console/box out of the equation so it is one less jump. Honestly there were 3 or 4 announcements that I think they really missed the point. Like, the '5 seconds to start AC' . Well obviously if you haven't ever started the game, then after 5 seconds you will be at the menu, not swimming in water. That was just to demonstrate. Also when they said 'development without compromises' they meant, not having to dock your graphics for your platform.

@alnilam8933

5 жыл бұрын

@@TheGeek327 Yeah, they seemed to not really get all the server based benefits. Damiani scoffed that playing and streaming out 4k at the same time wasn't possible, not understanding that the server can just send your steam directly to others. Lots of little details like that seemed to be overlooked/misunderstood. Everything seems doable, the only issue is how is the lag?

@TheGeek327

5 жыл бұрын

@@alnilam8933 Yes- I remember that comment, you're right. Also the no hacking/cheating. If everything lives on their hardware, you will probably have to work at Google to cheat at a multiplayer game. Hopefully the latency will be ok, Digital Foundry had a nice look at it and it looks promising.

Hearing Blood say the phrase "throwing low key shade" had made this worth it already

The Devil May Cry sign looks cool. It also fits well with the brick background.

I use Firefox.

@amaillo

5 жыл бұрын

Why do you even use firefox dude? WHY????

@lonewolf3314

5 жыл бұрын

Adrián Maillo i use opera

@gunit2678

5 жыл бұрын

because big brother google chrome watches you when you sleep @@amaillo

"That's so geeky" -*Lightning in the background*

This is totally going to turn into one of those videos we look back at in the future and laugh at how stupid everyone was for not realizing this is the obvious future of gaming. I remember when people heard about netflix and scoffed at why people would want to re download something every time they watched it. See you back here in 5 years :)

@TundraBoy69

3 жыл бұрын

3 years to go till Stadia is the future of gaming 😅

@Nin10doh98

Жыл бұрын

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Remember Google Glass? Yeah, I didn’t think so.

@Ruskles06

5 жыл бұрын

I remember Google glass sitting on a shelf in the local gaming pawnshop until they sent it away because no one even wanted to buy a used version for cheap.

@londonrd

4 жыл бұрын

Google glass enterprise just released. So google rememebrs it too

You know, I wasn't expecting some bombshell announcements that would have rocked the gaming world, but I was expecting something. I was expecting something definitive when I feel like all I got was developer fanfiction.

@TopCheeseBarDown

5 жыл бұрын

You got a name, a controller, you got 4K/60/HDR, you got compatibility with Chromecast. Pricing is obviously the big missing factor but they gave lots of info.

@generalwoofles6240

5 жыл бұрын

@@TopCheeseBarDown But I would expect 4k and 60 fps to any new game console coming out after this generation. What I mean is they promise you the moon but don't really show it? Like, they had tech demos but it was unrealistic.

matpat has quite experience on stage so no wonder he has this fluidity in presentations.

That DMC sign is amazing!!

The future of video games, with no games, especially not Japanese ones.

@markplott4820

5 жыл бұрын

H - Games will be coming to GOOGLE Stadia, bet on it.

@lonewolf3314

5 жыл бұрын

Mark Plott that was funny

@Kawayolnyo

5 жыл бұрын

O HAI MARK. I think he meant Epic's statement on how Epic Games Store is going to operate in the future.

@TalussAthner

5 жыл бұрын

Sonny Ankau I mean I’m not angry or not expecting to ever use it, I just found the presentation bad (and I also mostly play Japanese games and well, we’ll have to see if they use the service or not because avoiding it would be unsurprising from them).

I didn't know if i could be bothered to watch this conference thing, so I decided to skip through this video. Every moment I clicked, Kyle had his hand on his forehead and a confused, disappointed look on his face. Thats all I need to know from this lmao

@alefnull

5 жыл бұрын

you really shouldn't base your opinions on the "hot takes" of one person or even one small group of people... not to mention this keynote was specifically geared towards developers, not gamers, and the fact that this is just an introduction to the basics of a service that's not even available yet.

@Ayoul

5 жыл бұрын

They keep hyping stuff that shouldn't be hyped up so much. It's a GDC conference by Google. What did they expect? lol.

@TheCritizen

5 жыл бұрын

This was a presentation for developers. They don't know a thing about development. Simple answer... I like them and watch them for other stuff, but I am disappointed by how little they know about the meaning behind what Google said.

@Vladimirwlr1234

5 жыл бұрын

To be honest, the best thing about this is how frustrated Kyle is throughout the whole thing.

@retrops4261

5 жыл бұрын

@@TheCritizen Yes, but Google also hyped this event as an exciting reveal for the general public....

Streaming games? No thanks.

@734ch3r

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, heard that one before. Pass.

@kargaroc386

5 жыл бұрын

Say they make a game thats exclusive to streaming. If the streaming service goes offline at some point (and it will eventually), those games are lost, forever.

@bobbymaycry9748

5 жыл бұрын

Won't say no but this reveal didn't exactly encourage me they have it removing input lag. Stating 'we aim' means nothing. They need to show a working product, not feed us bs. We've had that plenty before.

@sownheard

5 жыл бұрын

Netflix Streaming movies No thanks.

@cyrfung

5 жыл бұрын

Bobby May Cry, Digital Foundry tested on a great network with AC Odyssey, and it had the same ~166ms latency as Xbox One X.

You gotta admit, this will scale when everywhere it is a platform

There is a reason why this presentation is at GDC (Developers)

Did Google say where the hidden microphone is that will record all of your conversations or is that like a fun little Easter egg for us to find?

@TopCheeseBarDown

5 жыл бұрын

They said Google Assistant is in the controller... so at least they told us lol?

@734ch3r

5 жыл бұрын

Yay, more ways for the censor kings to listen to us. What's not to love?

I’m so glad gametrailers lives on. I’ve been a gt member since 2002.

I'm not lying when I say the RPG, NPC line at 33:33 still makes me laugh more than actual comedies.

This piss poor conference made me appreciate every Sony, Nintendo, Microsoft presser ever. Ever.

that DMC sign needs some sort of screen infront of it to remove the sharp outerglow

With every Google Sunrise comes a Google Sunset

I don't think the guys understand the wireless controller.. Like at ALL. Connecting a wired controller to a game that's being streamed will give you zero benifits

@Ayoul

5 жыл бұрын

They are fun to listen to about games, but their lack of knowledge on tech and how game making works is hard to listen to sometimes.

@TheCritizen

5 жыл бұрын

@@AyoulYeah... I was cringing so bad...

@RobAryeeArc

5 жыл бұрын

Unless you are using a laptop or desktop, how would you use a wired controller with a phone or tablet? It would still need to travel over wi-fi.

@lonewolf3314

5 жыл бұрын

RobAryeeArc there are wired controllers for android and ios.

Why are people downvoting a group's opinions? That's the whole point of reaction videos.

@ShazzleDazzle87

5 жыл бұрын

BeCaUse TheY DiDnt ReAct ThE RiGHt WaY >(

Kyle's body language the whole way through the presentation says it all.

I've never been more out on a gaming announcement in my life. Happy for those this appeals to but it's not for me. Please Sony, do not do this.

@vagrantender

5 жыл бұрын

Both xbox and Sony are also moving to streaming because it's better then disc based systems.

@b2g121795

5 жыл бұрын

Dude I'm confident next time Sony has an event... It's gonna be fucking crazy lol

@TheBigBossMG4

5 жыл бұрын

@@vagrantender People have short memory... Microsoft tried to do a discless gaming system. We all know what happened. lol

@NileBoogie

5 жыл бұрын

@@vagrantender Correction: Xbox is doing XCLOUD and a traditional console that as far as we know will have both physical and digital media.

@rafael471992

5 жыл бұрын

Sony is better off copying Game pass, not this shit

I wouldn't be surprised if we got a lot more info on games and the full service during E3.

The difference between RPG's and NPC's is imagination.

@lonewolf3314

5 жыл бұрын

ZKP they have no idea what are they talking about.

I want to come back to this video after a year or so ... and see how things have changed

@hidden105

3 жыл бұрын

Well did you?

My preferred innovation for games and the internet is having fast enough speeds that downloading my games locally is a quick process, not streaming the whole thing and having no ownership of it, or at least less ownership of digital products than I already have.

Watching the Allies bang their heads against the idea of off-site computing is frustrating. They absolutely do not get Stadia and don’t get the idea that it’s not a console.

@t.g.3500

5 жыл бұрын

Everyone gets that. There’s literally no one that doesn’t understand that. The entire presentation was underwhelming to an idea that’s largely equally underwhelming.

Fuck! I wasn’t aware that you guys would make a live twitch reaction:’((

only 43 min in so far but there is a lot of hate from the guys... like way more than usual. Like it looked like it physically hurt them to watch this haha

The "I'm not a big gamer" line is what killed this product.

I was never going to be sold on this to begin with, but seeing the "No cheating, no hacking" thing made me realise something I hadn't thought of before - this means no modding right? If you have no local files for the game, then no mods. That's gonna be a HUGE turn-off for many people. Along with other reasons people won't like it lol (not liking the idea of streaming games regardless, internet connection issues, lag, not having ownership of games, etc). It might be cool for some people, e.g. people who don't mod, aren't big gamers, can't afford a console, can't afford a solid PC - but for a lot of others it's gonna be a big nope (me included). And for the sake of gaming as we know it, I hope this fails miserably.

@Carl_Isaksson

5 жыл бұрын

For the sake of gaming you hope this dies? This might elevate gaming to another level. At the current state developers are held back by the performance limitations of consoles and people with normal PC’s. A developer won’t try and make a game that only a high end PC can run because the majority of players won’t be able to play that game. This might make it much more accessible for people to play high end games which in return would allow the developers to create bigger and better games than ever seen before. This might therefore make the gaming industry advance with a much quicker pace than previously.

@Amir_97

5 жыл бұрын

@@Carl_Isaksson you are right, people are not limited by the hardware, but you are forgetting that not everyone has an internet connection and most people do not have a solid internet connection.

@Carl_Isaksson

5 жыл бұрын

@@Amir_97 Then those people will just have to continue gaming normally with a PC or a console until the internet speed in their area improves. Giving this option to those who can utilize it can still have positive ramifications on the industry.

@edwinleskin6063

5 жыл бұрын

@@Amir_97 most gamers do have internet.

@ChristopherCricketWallace

5 жыл бұрын

@@edwinleskin6063 it will have to be GOOD internet---stellar internet, actually. And MOST people do not have that. Data caps will come into play here, as well. I was in the original test group for streaming. The service worked great; but I got a few notices from Comcast about hitting a 1 TB limit (on my "unlimited plan) after playing heavily for 3 weeks. So I pay $150/month for good enough Internet service; but STILL can't play as much as I want? Not so good, man.

Just change the name. Me: I got stadia. Is that contagious?

Imagine, just IMAGINE, if Google gave a grade 'A' keynote address...

I love the DMV sign, but would move the screens into the main stage

The collective sigh when Phil Harrison walks on stage....

The one on the right is TensorFlow, Googles own Machine Learning Library/Tool

Best reaction on the internet......"They're getting all the K's".....Great work fellas.

State Share is just sharing save files or save states like with any emulator now.

@Ben-do1bf

5 жыл бұрын

Something tells me Cuthbert is designing a game that uses that, not a game around that.

Amazon owns Twitch, its own game engine and is the largest cloud network provider on the planet - it would be interesting if they show an interest to compete with this.

@TheCritizen

5 жыл бұрын

They do, already offer something similar just for servers since last year. But their cloud while much bigger has a network backbone that can't compete atm. They lack the edge nodes.

@wakaneut

5 жыл бұрын

Yep. And the rise of “game exclusives”

guys... this was a presentation for developers not consumers. Most of your complaints can be attributed to the fact that the primary audience of this presentation is not you. They were trying to show developers the potential of the platform and that's about it.

@lonewolf3314

5 жыл бұрын

Conner Neal and they showed nothing

@ConnerNeal

5 жыл бұрын

@@lonewolf3314 from the standpoint of a developer that's not true at all. They showed quite a few things that could be game changing for developers.

The average Stadia experience in the UK. "Where's my ethernet cable, stupid slow wifi connection... okay, plugged in, buffering, buffering, ah finally, the title screen... hmm, a text message, I've reached my data cap for the month..."

Phil Harrison was at Sony during PS3's launch and at Microsoft during Xbox One's launch. Good look Google Stadia lmao

Global internet isn't up to scratch for running this stuff yet, but the tech is really interesting. Some of the allies need to do some homework though, because a lot of their interpretations of the tech are way off the mark

@TopCheeseBarDown

5 жыл бұрын

Global? No. Of course not. But millions of people do have internet that is capable across NA specifically. Google is getting ahead of the curb in hopes to forge the market forward instead of waiting for the market to evolve slowly on it's own.

33:35 RPGs, NPCs line.

I think most of the criticism I'm hearing from you seems to have a root in the misunderstanding of what the point of the presentation was and who the target audience is. This presentation was targeted to developers primarily. The tech demos that you feel didn't look too good or weren't perfectly optimized to show how reliable the streaming was, I think misses the point. It's a tech demo to show developers a small snippet of how they could possibly implement similar features for their own games. Developers don't need to see a polished, fully featured experience to be sold on the technology and APIs they will get to work with. Something small and even incomplete, but shows what can be done is what appeals to them. This wasn't meant to sell the platform the consumers yet, in my opinion. If it was, then I'd agree, they should've done a better job of putting their best foot forward in selling it to the general consumer that would most likely be using it (players and content creators). When your target audience are developers and engineers, the primary things they care about are what kind of tools are being offered to make their jobs easier or help them take the next steps in their vision that may not be possible with current tools and technologies. For example, the Machine Learning tool that lets them apply a "picture" to their game to change the designs in realtime, is mostly likely meant for prototyping. Instead of spending a lot of time in the early stages of development coming up with a proof of concept that could change pretty dramatically, it seems very beneficial to having a machine learning tool that can spins up some interesting looking textures for a developer to prototype iterations faster, so they can focus on things like gameplay, story, mechanics, systems etc. I won't pretend to speak for how all developers and engineers think, but as a professional engineer myself (Android Engineer), this is how I came out of this presentation thinking. One of the points Brandon kept bring up, "Wouldn't it be cool if" these things are possible or made. I believe he made a point of saying that Google put the ones on the developers to do these things, without showing them anything themselves. I think that criticism is a bit too much. If their main focus was building the platform first and getting it in the hands of the rest of the developers to make their creations, than I think it was actually wiser to spend the bulk of their time in making the best possible engine to sell the ideas of "what if" and spark that imagination to the creators to bring their visions to light. That's the whole point of tech demos. They aren't meant to be full fledged experiences. They are meant to sell a concept or idea with as little detail as possible (MVP - minimal viable product) in Engineering and Product terms. Finally, in regards to the points about Google's presentation quirks (showing the montage of games through history and some other cringy moments). Yeah, it was a bit goofy and cheesy, but it's actually more on brand than you may think. If you watch any of their other presentations of their software or hardware announcements, they all follow this same pattern. They're not a game company really. They sell software and some hardware. This is really their first foray into this industry so they probably went with a presentation style they are familiar with. Or they probably just have a consistent theme and branding strategy to any kind of product announcement. Even as an engineer myself, I also find it sometimes cheesy.... Any way, I hope my thoughts were insightful into how the target audience, developers and engineers, would've probably have summarized their feelings about this presentation. I've seen plenty of similar announcements in my field, for example the Google I/O announcements they do every year. Watch one of those, and you'll see a very similar pattern. Love you Allies, and keep up the good work. As a Patron for the past year, I thoroughly enjoy you guys and the content. Love & Respect!

@anonysalt

5 жыл бұрын

"This presentation was targeted to developers primarily." Then it would've been closed-door, and they wouldn't have addressed streamers and gamers directly multiple times, not to mention inviting gamers directly to follow their social media.

@FRoriz50

5 жыл бұрын

@@anonysalt I don't think you need a closed door session to curate a presentation to a target audience. The venue itself is the "Game Developers Conference". Watch almost any of the other announcements and presentations at this event, and it's clear the target audience is Game Developers. When another company that presents a new platform or updated platform to developers (Epic Games & Unreal Engine, Cryteck & CryEngine), wouldn't you say their target audience for that presentation are game developers as well? What's the difference between Google and Epic Games or Cryteck in this case? If this was E3 (Electronic Entertainment Expo) or the CES (Consumer Technology Association), than I'd agree their target audience is news outlets and consumers. I don't think you have to make an event or presentation closed door in order to make sure it's content can only be seen by the "target audience". Even though I'm not a game developer myself, I still find the talks at GDC fascinating from an artistic and engineering perspective. When I watch Google I/O, most of the talks their are on tools and APIs for developers, but I'm sure there are folks that still find it interesting in understand the tools engineers use to build apps and products.

@anonysalt

5 жыл бұрын

I'll concede closed door, you've made me rethink that sure, but they still targeted and even addressed non-developers directly, multiple times and tried to sell the idea directly to consumers.

@FRoriz50

5 жыл бұрын

@@anonysalt Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the only other audience they targeted were influencers and content creators. So these are the people that would work the Stadia in a "developer" profile as well. Meaning, what was targeted to these folks were tools they could use to engage with their audiences in a new way, than exists today. With that point, I think I agree that we can expand who the target audience is from just developers to developers and content creators. But that still doesn't include consumers, which I think is the point I'm trying to make. Consumers in my opinion are people that play games or watch content from content creators (the vast majority). I still believe that target audience of this talk was for folks that are meant to use Stadia as a tool in the jobs. That's why I made my points above, that the criticism I've seen addressed to this talk comes from the point of view of a consumer, and not a developer or content creator.

@anonysalt

5 жыл бұрын

They addressed players directly multiple times in the presentation, particularly with features they will be using, such as state share and streaming, and youtube acting as a lobby, AND they literally invite players to follow their social media. The entire shtick of this project is bringing devs, content creators, and players together, and they targeted all three.

Playstation 5 is released! Remember that odd concept Google tried out? What was it now? Erm... Stavia, Stabla, Strada?... yeah i can't remember what it was.

Sony was watching, Shuhei Yoshida was at the event,according to Game informer

DMC sign is amazing

This reminds me of baud modems playing multiplayer in the 90s. It will stall or aka buffer way too often at the wrong times. This is neat but about ten years from viable or longer.

i am reserving judgement for when i give it a try. I have fiber and really want to test this. Mine is the ideal environment. I have always thought this is the future.

@alefnull

5 жыл бұрын

holy shit, someone who's actually willing and able to reserve judgement until it's actually available? you are a rare gem, and i appreciate you.

You guys were pessimistic about this before they even started lol.

Something I was thinking about if Amazon does a streaming service they could make it where you could play a game and stream it to twitch at the same time using your phone.

Loving that DMC sign Godddd....It even helps a bit with the rim lightning. I hope you guys start filling that wall with cool stuff like that. As for the conference expectation and reaction...Well yeah, it's not aimed at gamers dudes, it's in GDC. GDC is for developers and industry talk. Not entertainment. This was a very PR-esque meeting, but this is exactly the place for that kind of stuff. They're there to spark interest amongst developers. To showcase themselves as an attractive investment full of potential, so that devs approach them wanting business.

@JustoFigueroaArt

5 жыл бұрын

I just got to the post-talk. Yeah, like you say, a talk from business leaders to other business leaders. Not really devs as in 3d artists and animators.

All they have to do is set up a few hubs close to dense population areas and interconnect those via high speed fiber to the main datacenters.

I don't know why this video has a negative response. Honesty is good.

Proteus Background

Ok Google, pro strats only please

My big issue here is that i dont like the idea of streaming games in the first place, I feel they are like renting games and they could take them from you anytime they want. It very difficult to overcome to own the game physicaly or have a copy of the installer somewhere in your hard disk, for me at least By the other hand, it will be easier to get intro free to play games, or to play demos. I'm not against of the idea but i dont want that to be new standard for videoganes.

@toval6255

5 жыл бұрын

Streaming became the standard for listening music and watching movies/series. Not really a question of WILL it become the standard for videogames but WHEN. But still have a feeling it will still be a few years off before it becomes standard though.

@sebbaa93

5 жыл бұрын

@@toval6255 I feel that videogames differ in that aspect, a music album or a movie doesn't have that much of an intrinsec value as a videogame has. You don't see people selling "used" movies or albums so in the long term videogames have more value in the long term in that aspect. And not only in that aspect they have more value, videogames are long, from 5 to 60 hours and then you can play them again as much as you want. A movie? 3 hours at most. An album? even less. I feel this is gonna end like when the TV arrived and everyone thought that the Radio was done, and then that didn't happen.

@SkitBitProduction

5 жыл бұрын

Toval it will happen when internet across world can run it which most countries cant yet.

If they made insane exclusive games i think that a lot of people will use stadia

You have to not only account for the input latency from the servers but also your display, so yeah...I'll stick to my download bar.

Did they explain why there is a rock in the middle of the stage?

@triphide

5 жыл бұрын

"rocks have been around the world for millions of years.....and still to this day.... they fully transcend the weil of time...and space..... to bring us together. As a planet of gamers...around the world....connecting to us from the fundaments of earth to the core of our imagination as gamers around the world...endlessly" The big question everybody are asking is can google really harness both the power AND passion of these eternal rocks?

21:46 "Sekiro's old already" *flash forward to Sekiro being one of their few big releases post launch*

I was at e3 and it was amazing

I will concede the worry about uploading 4K 60fps video on a 1.5mbps service in the midwest with no latency is... unrealistic at best, but let me theorycraft just for a moment how it "could" work: What if instead of uploading the video, you're only uploading your in-game location and actions in the code. As the game is totally hosted and run on the servers, all users are just downloading the visuals and uploading the minimum data. That is a far more likely scenario than uploading the raw video.

If the first dude on stage is talking about NOT being a gamer... fail!!

The biggest issue with this whole thing I see (and it's probably as someone who works in a support position at a major ISP), is that broadband availability in the US is really not that great, and where it is available, backbone network conditions/peering, last mile connection quality, and LAN related issues are going to mean a lot of frustration for users on this platform. Think about the last time you had a video on a streaming platform drop in quality or buffer...now imagine that happening while you are trying to actually play an action oriented game. Google can talk about their nodes all they want, but during peak hours, that "experiencing interruptions?" pop-up you see sometimes on KZread is going to be extra frustrating to have come up in Stadia.

Don't care. Hardware in your room will never be beaten until everything is fiber glass. Also check this out. 60 FPS => (1/60) * 1000 = 16.6 ms => State between input and screen = 16.6 * 2 = 33.3 ms. This is only the FPS. I am not even talking about the internet connection which can be around 10 ms giving the total of 43.3 ms...... Yes its awesome. Yes this will generate a lot of money for youtube thus google. Because of those cool options. But 43.3 ms delay hmmmmm>? 30 FPS is gonna be even worse. Watch this 30 FPS => (1/30) * 1000 = 33.3 ms => state between input and screen = 33.3 * 2 = 66.6 ms !!!! Plus internet connection of around 10 ms = 76.6 ms delay between input and screen update Hardware will never be beaten until everything is fiber glass To make it even worse. If you are playing on wifi, I will hope that people don't kill themselves. Because if little brother and little sister is also on the wifi. your game is gonna be f*cked.

They took our jerbs!

too many downsides to this. too many people dont have good enough connections, streaming 4k video alone takes so damn much bandwidth that i am highly skeptical, not owning a hard copy of your game (remember scott pilgrim and PT). this is just a psychotic idea all around. also, you can pry my physical games from my cold dead hands.

@InFiiLtRaTor

5 жыл бұрын

Hate to break it to you but you've probably got like 1 more generation of consoles with physical media before it goes all digital. PC has been all digital for yeeeeaaars and nobody cares. But for some reason it's a big deal with consoles.... I don't get it.

@MikedieONE

5 жыл бұрын

@@InFiiLtRaTor It just feels soulless. it doesn't feel like you really "own" the game anymore, and just consume it like fastfood. sure its more convenient.. but it feels "empty". Owning a physical copy of a game just feels that you have something of worth in your hand. A piece of art, instead just some digital data on a machine. Streaming it, makes it feel even more soulless

@SkitBitProduction

5 жыл бұрын

ArkRaider22 games won't go all digital till world has good internet they sell games everywhere.

Exciting new tech for sure. But I feel this is a bit too demanding for my 30mbps internet connection., maybe in a few years.

This was a deff not a presentation for gamers, its for suits, devs, and techies. Im excited for it, i see lots of promise, they have identified certain problems in the industry that gamers dont know about and wouldnt realize its a problem unless they are part of the industry. My main concern is the ISP landscape is NOT at all prepared for this kind of bandwidth demand especially when it comes to pricing, if you have datacaps in your area you are SOL. If you are trying to play over mobile network and don't have unlimited non caped data, have fun with your overage bills. They may have solved the limitation of hardware and latency by shrinking the active footprint into a single instance you just literally RDP into. But that connection is still limited by how well your internet connection is provided to you.

Easy Allies - about 1000 + Multiplayer games, this was PROVEN possible with the Airtight Garage at the Metrion in SF. the Arcade featured a Multyplayer game Designed by MOBIUS and was called QUATERNIA, the game featured 50 networked Stations, and the Game had 4 Different Teams, Protecting 4 Different enviroments , where you Battled (king of the hill style) to try and Take over another Enviroment. and this GAME ran for the entire time the ARCADE was open , into the Hours past Midnight. Airtight Garage also had a FULL BAR and Snacks .

Google's making a new sugar substitute? Sign me up.