the disconnect between complaining about production costs and asking viewers for money whilst green-lighting a worth it revival? terrible terrible terrible!! of COURSE viewers are going to feel like it’s a smack in the face whilst during a global cost of living crisis steven lim and co are asking us to fund them eating gold coated wagyu and hiring too many of their friends

The thing that gets me the most about this entire situation is the fact that they have not one but two shows that are entirely dependent on fans submitting their stories for them to read for free. They just put out the submission call for Too Many Spirits last month, and now they're telling the people who submitted their work that they'll have to pay to see it. The audacity!!

@bulkvanderhuge9006

3 ай бұрын

Wow, that sucks, and if they follow this plan, I wouldn't doubt that they make the ability to submit stories a top tier Patreon plan.

@catbellybandit571

3 ай бұрын

Ghost files, too many spirits and Are You Afraid? And they also use the fan recs for their food parts of some content of their travels for live shows.

Let's not forget they have ads running on the goodbye vid, so they're making money off telling their fans "give us money or get out".

they showed those funko pops in their video and never thanked the person who made them and sent them like a year ago. absolute insanity

Not just corny and hollow… manipulative. The whole heart-warming, heartstring bullcrap was emotional manipulation. And it’s nasty.

They watched Buzzfeed fail by overspending and over hiring from the inside, said they wouldn’t make the same mistake….then immediately made the same mistake.

@laurataylor8179

3 ай бұрын

Crazy

What kills me is that many of us are already subscribed to KZread premium and watching videos ad free. I’m not going to unsubscribe from KZread so I can subscribe to their platform.

@oeurydice

3 ай бұрын

"For half the price of KZread premium, you can get access to the content of one whole KZread channel!! What a bargain!!!!" 🤡🤡🤡 I feel bad for the folk who support them on patreon - they're expecting them to pay the streaming service price in addition to what they're already paying on patreon. All they get is an extra 10% off in addition to the 30% everyone else is being offered.

@kaindbar

3 ай бұрын

My thoughts exactly! I'm actually unsubscribing from YT Premium now. These guys were one of the only reasons I got, but without them releasing consistently, can't justify it anymore (among other reasons). Before that I was using ad blockers and Newpipe on mobile, and that's what I'll be returning to.

@beebeelicious

3 ай бұрын

Yep I don't have many luxuries but that is one.

I have to say, I'm really proud of how united the fans are with their negative reaction to this.

@Dan-ji4db

3 ай бұрын

Its nice that we finally all agree on ONE thing

@beebeelicious

3 ай бұрын

Absolutely

@catbellybandit571

3 ай бұрын

Amen brother

@jordan3636

3 ай бұрын

guarantee the company has not been profitable this entire time. guarantee that this is the only way they could see moving froward and actually making a profit. they will try this and probably hang it up. watcher was a dumb idea anyway.

I'm not paying to watch Lim try luxury foods I cannot afford

Credit where credit is due, this is the first time ive seen the entirety of youtube, reddit, instagram, tumblr and twitter united with the same opinion on something. In all seriousness, it really shows how bad watcher's business model is. They might make good videos but they clearly dont understand business. Between their *massive patreon* and the huge amount of money they pull from sponsers, plus the extra from merch snd ads. They could and have been making quality content (very high, but still youtube level quality) and this is change is self inflicted for them, there were so many things they could push instead (exclusive patreon content, pushing merch more etc) and this felt like a slap in the face and so out of touch I guess we should all learn the lesson in parasocial relationships, because im definitely feeling way more strongly by this than I should be

@DelphineDenton

3 ай бұрын

It's not the first. It's the second time. The first time was the Fine Brothers React debacle.

If this Warcher channel actually happens, I wonder how long it will be before the $6 tier becomes the tier that has ads, and the ad-free tier costs more? If they’re determined to get bigger but don’t know how to be cost effective, they’re never going to make “enough” money. They’ll just be mismanaging larger amounts

@armadildo6468

3 ай бұрын

Theyre the once-ler. They need to biggerer and in order to get bigger they need to get bigger to continue biggerering. Oh how the biggering will go. Until.... they run out of fans.

@hotsexyangel

Ай бұрын

EXACTLY

People are more angry at Steven for being the CEO, so if he steps down, people might be inclined to forgive Shane and Ryan. That’s the only solution I see for this situation.

@DelphineDenton

3 ай бұрын

They're more mad at him because he wants to make dumb luxury focused content no one cares that much about anymore while making people pay for it.

@FukaiKokoro

3 ай бұрын

Shane and Ryan also are to blame. I'll never be able to watch their videos again the same. Which sucks

@charliebear154

3 ай бұрын

@@DelphineDenton not to mention he’s a greedy nepo baby and even made a public statement that he is still friends with people that are openly racist and homophobic. And instead of apologizing for that statement, he deleted the ENTIRE podcast and hoped everyone would forget about it. Literally nobody likes Steven. Teaming up with Steven was one of the worst business decisions they’ve ever made. Shane and Ryan are still to blame, but Steven was the mastermind behind all of this. They need to get rid of him.

@charliebear154

3 ай бұрын

@@DelphineDenton not to mention he's a greedy nepo baby and even made a public statement that he is still friends with people that are openly (r word for not liking people of colour) and (h word for people who don’t like gay folks). And instead of apologizing for that statement, he deleted the ENTIRE podcast and hoped everyone would forget about it. Literally nobody likes Steven. Teaming up with Steven was one of the worst business decisions they've ever made. Shane and Ryan are still to blame, but Steven was the mastermind behind all of this. They need to FIRE HIM. (Also the reason I can’t say the actual words is because KZread keeps deleting my goddamn comments for using them)

@charliebear154

3 ай бұрын

@@DelphineDenton not to mention he's a greedy nepo baby and even made a public statement that he is still friends with people that are openly (word for not liking people of colour) and (word for people who don’t like gay folks). And instead of apologizing for that statement, he deleted the ENTIRE podcast and hoped everyone would forget about it. Literally nobody likes Steven. Teaming up with Steven was one of the worst business decisions they've ever made. Shane and Ryan are still to blame, but Steven was the mastermind behind all of this. They need to FIRE HIM. (Also the reason I can’t say the actual words is because KZread keeps auto deleting my comments for using them)

Worst thing is that the first exclusive content on the Streamer has been leaked and it’s genuinely awful.. it consists of Ryan talking about how they have a crazy amount of team members enjoying Dune 2 and drinking beer while filming Ghost Files , followed my the camera man chewing on a burger, and then Ryan admitting that he doesn’t even know if this episode of “Road Files” will be a thing.. truly television-calibre content

@MuertaRara

3 ай бұрын

is that true?

@PhilosophyofElivagar

3 ай бұрын

@@MuertaRara Yep, I’m trying to link it for you but my replies won’t post :/

@DJ-iu5bb

Ай бұрын

ironic they all turned into the guy we cheared for in Dune 2 to turn into the Villan real quick

And Shane’s wife is online defending the decision right after a post about her buying a 100 dollar handbag 💀. And it also tells me that Shane is definitely on board with everything even tho ppl wanna believe he’s against it.

@asirensmelody

3 ай бұрын

No way are you serious???

@chrstphrluis2206

3 ай бұрын

@@asirensmelody wtf are my replies being deleted? I’ve tried answering this like twice. But watcher Reddit it’s posted on there

@FabiolaMacabre

3 ай бұрын

It’s funny to me that people are solely blaming the Steve guy, as if he was holding a weapon to the other two guys’ heads 😅, they are going along with it, not being forced..

@chrstphrluis2206

3 ай бұрын

@@FabiolaMacabre it’s mostly because he hasn’t really been in the mix like Shane and Ryan have, he’s just basically been “that one guy” who’s the ceo now. And it’s like ew no one wants to pay to watch “that guy” eat expensive shit and travel while I stay home and eat chick fil a on a good day lol.

@fauxpinkytoo

3 ай бұрын

Shane better have gotten a pre-nup is the vibe here...

Guaranteed they're in preproduction of a $75k apology / backtrack video

@oeurydice

3 ай бұрын

They're starting a live tour in Glasgow next week that's supposed to have a Q&A section. Oh, to be a fly on the wall in that theatre.

@chrstphrluis2206

3 ай бұрын

Nah Shane’s dumb wife is online defending the decision so I guess Shane is on board with it too. So I highly doubt we’ll get anything

@stormystohelit6256

3 ай бұрын

​@@oeurydice I'm sure people are going to record it 😂

Never thought I'd see the day when Shane and Ryan fall...

One thing I don't see anyone mention is when Steven says they will "rely *less* on ads"... Not only are they continuing their patreon, forcing a dual paywall if you want to see all of their content (the podcast will be on patreon only), they will also likely continue to take brand deals on the trailers and first episodes of the season that they will post on KZread. So even the tiny amount of free content we will get will likely still be monetised, and with sponsors. $5.99 a month on WatcherTV, $5 minimum on Patreon, and sponsors on KZread with ad breaks. 🤦‍♀

It's a tremendous fail , as a casual fan I would have preferred more frequent low budget content like they had on BuzzFeed where many shows were just two people on a modest set and some simple graphic slideshows.

To be honest, the earlier Puppet History episodes were much better than the newer, bloated production episodes.

@pattierotondo1108

2 ай бұрын

I didn't know they have even done any new ones recently. They should focus on that rather than reviving shows that nobody wanted to see. Worth It never was as popular and their thinking it will do better if people are paying is delusional. If people don't watch something when it's free, then why would they think people would pay to see it? Crazy!

@AsdfGhjkl-bd5mh

2 ай бұрын

100%

It’s so upsetting! I can’t even watch their old content cause it makes me mad. They have almost 13k Paterons. Watcher went from fire to a dumper fire. Who the hell said this will work. Ryan is already a millionaire. If you have money, live a comfy lifestyle and are doing what you love what the hell is the point of squeezing more money out of your base. 🤯 and btw they have a live show in the UK next week and people are asking for refunds. The q&a is going to be awkward!

This video would be a nice goodbye if they didnt end it with asking for our money. It’s totally awesome if they want to chase their dreams, make the art they want to make... I think fans would want that for them, or at least support them. But they expect us to line up and pay for it, out of nowhere, without asking us what we might want to pay for... Once I'm paying you, I'm a customer, and a customer is different from a viewer on yt imo Anyway, rant over, this comment is mostly to support your vid (and for me to blow off some steam)

What blows my mind is they think they and their content is so worthy of a whole ass streaming service we gotta pay for.

@tackycardia

3 ай бұрын

It’s WILD that they thought $6usd a month was affordable for anyone and everyone during a global living cost crisis

assuming all their patreons ONLY pay the minimum of $5 a month (which, as someone who used to be in the $20 tier, i KNOW that a lot of people pay more) that's still just under $30k a month from patreon alone. that's over $350k a year. where is the money going.

@Maloola_

3 ай бұрын

Brother WHAT?? 30k a month MINIMUM earnings is making me dizzy,,

@pattierotondo1108

2 ай бұрын

@@Maloola_ Add in that most of their vids include an ad within the content and those are probably worth $10-20k EACH. They have a spending problem, not an earning problem.

12:22 what makes me really mad about them complaining that they can't make "TV Quality content on KZread" is how insulting it is to some of the people on KZread. Defunctland made a multi-part docuseries about the career and life of Jim Henson that is far better researched than any TV documentary I've ever seen. And Kevin from Defunctland even talked about how self conscious he feels about calling his videos documentaries, which they really are

@beebeelicious

3 ай бұрын

Yes, there are lots of other amazing high quality content creators! Totally different but Timeteam have funded a whole new series of archaeological digs via Patreon, but still have lots of free content too.

@Phoenix-zy1cx

3 ай бұрын

Yes, when all of this started I immediately thought of Kevin and Defunctland. I have been following his channel for years and seen him grow from a traditional short form video format to full documentaries completely worthy of the name. Now it takes a long while between his videos, but I'm okay with that because he's delivering such quality that it's worth the wait. As far as I know he either works alone or has a limited set of collaborators he works with. And on top of creating such epic content, so deeply researched, he also runs a yearly charity fundraiser for very ill children and their families to have a special vacation at Disney World. I've never seen Ryan and Shane let alone Steven do anything for charity. All they do is rake in money for themselves. I donate to his charity fundraiser each year, and it makes me feel good to be a part of something that gives joy to children. I paid to see Ryan and Shane in person at one of their shows, which was a very fun experience. But after this malarkey they pulled, I wish I could take that money back and donate it all to the next Defunctland charity drive. At least then I would know that my money is going to a good cause, and will be appreciated, not considered just another dollar that doesn't mean anything to the people I'm giving it to.

That comment about watching Ghost Files in line for the food bank absolutely ruined me too.

It was Steven. Teaming up with Steven one of the worst business decisions they’ve ever made. His videos make 200k-300k views compared to the 800k-1M views on the Shane and Ryan centric videos, he has the personality of a dead fish, he’s a greedy nepo baby who just wants more money to eat expensive food all over the world and probably just wants another Tesla. I don’t know why he has so big of an ego when literally nobody watches Watcher for Steven, they’re all there for Shane and Ryan. He’s been riding off of Shane and Ryan’s coat-tails for years and he is single-handedly ruining their careers. They should never have teamed up with him in the first place. I’m not saying that Shane and Ryan are entirely innocent because they should have used their brains and shut down the idea the second it was introduced, but overall, Steven was the mastermind behind this entire thing. They need to fire Steven, downsize their team and production quality, and go back to their roots.

It’s the radio silence for me. Makes an announcement like that and then… nothing.

"Self-indulgent" is an excellent way of putting this choice of theirs.

Alienating their entire fanbase aside, this isn’t even a good business decision. Every cent of the $6 a month is going right to video hosting costs and they don’t even have ad revenue to lean on. If they wanted to eat gold-crusted burgers in the nude or whatever, they could’ve produced more patreon exclusive content or joined Nebula.

You either die a hero or live long enough to become the villain

What remained the same from the beginning of Watchers is their lack of fashion sense.

The thing is... they could have gotten away with this. This streaming platform stuff? They could have done it. Dropout did it. Nebula exists. They just... fumbled in literally aspect. The announcement? The cold-turkey quitting of youtube instead of gradually pulling away? The lack of any real content backlog or library that might make people actually subscribe? No support for international viewers? No grandfathering for patreon? Having like... three entire personalities that have to carry the entire subscription site instead of an entire team? How did you do this. They literally messed up in every way possible. How do you fumble this goddamn hard. Seriously, they should have just gone to Nebula.

@apersonontheinternet9085

3 ай бұрын

Actually, the more I think about it, if they really wanted to make a streaming service... really why not take a note from Dropout. They were able to squeak past, even if it was a hail mary borne of the ashes of a dying company, but they literally wrote the roadmap to transitioning to independent streaming from youtube. They made cheap shows (game shows, improv, ttrpgs) in order to make a backlog of content to make streaming more viable while still producing on youtube and uploading full seasons/episodes on youtube in order to make people interested and to slowly transition their way off youtube. And they still upload their episodes and seasons for free! And they drop lots of content constantly! Even if people weren't pissed by the move, no one would want to go to a streaming service with... one episode of a random tv show a week? You had a template on how to do this move? How did they not see it!

It's crazy because I swear like 85% of their videos also have paid promos in them anyway, as well as having almost 6k PAID patreon members (5,893 to be exact). Not to mention the lowest priced tier on their Patreon is $5... Also congrats on your first 1k view video on this channel, take my sub I'm investing early 🥳🙌🏾

@FukaiKokoro

3 ай бұрын

Each sponsorship was probably bringing in 15-30k a ad. Maybe even more. Pateron was probably between 30-60k a month. Merch is 80$ for a black basic sweatshirt (which to me seems outrageous) also a 40$ white tshirt. Plus live tours and probably other income sources. They could've done so many other things. Like maybe stop mismanaging the pateron. And upload behind the scenes and make it worth it.

@stormystohelit6256

3 ай бұрын

​@@FukaiKokorothey could have promoted the patreon more as well, so many people are finding out about it just now

@validark

2 ай бұрын

Getting atleast 29k a month off patreon alone

'Also, it's formatted like an apology, but there's no apology.' oh dont, you know? That's on their streaming service too, for the low low price of $6 a month!

As a casual fan, I’m really surprised how many people are united in disagreeing with this move. I’m honestly just sad for all their die hard fans getting slapped in the face after 4 years of free and fun videos.

@froglicker8277

3 ай бұрын

to be honest I've been a fan since they were doing BuzzFeed. I've been in it for the long haul of 6 years so this is absolutely disgusting to see because even at the start of Watcher I was worried they were spreading themselves too far. Like a bunch of new shows and a bunch of new merch instead of like! 4 things a year and then a new couple pieces of merch for when they made a new show. Also it feels just. Filthy especially since it feels like they completely disregarded every fan who couldn't go to a live show or didnt have the the money to buy merch. I was a big fan of their less scripted content like too many spirits and my favorite exclusive from watcher weird and or wonderful. Sorry if my words are choppy I am simply very mad about this and disgusted in people I looked up to for 6 years

The problem is that they want to make the kind of content they could only really afford to make with Buzzfeed's money and they don't want to wait until they figure out the money to do things like that.

@stormystohelit6256

3 ай бұрын

The production values on the Buzzfeed stuff was so much lower though, simple set, no fancy graphics, etc

They had a countdown clock for dropping this announcement too. Thats pretty funny in itself given the reaction it garnered, which was pretty much last orders for the bar on the Titanic

I enjoyed your take on the situation. But here is mine. I think they knew the ship was sinking and were hoping for a quick cash in. Kinda like crypto scammers. The Ghost Files was becoming stale. Problem was, they lost the point of why that show was so good. It had something different. Shane was never scared, never believed in ghosts, would taunt and yell at them. Ryan on the other hand, was always scared, hated when Shane would tease the ghosts. Boom perfect odd couple!!!! But last season Ryan started acting like Shane he wasn't scared he yelled and taunted also. In one ep in a prison cell they had the "Spirit box" It said something like "mattress" or "bed" which was in the cell and it was Shane who had to point it out to Ryan who was busy making a wiener joke or something. Even Shane seemed amazed when Ryan just tossed that aside and kept making jokes, I get that he has been to lots of places now and has more courage. But Ryan the youtube character in a "TV" like show as they say needed to stay in that role as a scared person. That was the dynamic Also bringing back buzzfeed guys felt more like when a sitcom in losing views and starts bringing in celebs or kids to try boost ratings. Jumping the shark term wasn't just made up thing. Anyway thanks for reading just found your channel and subbed. Have a great day everyone on youtube.

@Maloola_

3 ай бұрын

The character Ryan built himself for Ghost Files being abandoned in newer episodes is such a good point!! They weren’t in tune enough with their audience to understand why people loved them so much and now they lost the plot, and I think you’ve illustrated that perfectly here!

@scottyheav

3 ай бұрын

@@Maloola_ Thanks for reading it I know it got a little long. I watched a lot of vid on watcher reaction but I found yours the most genuine and your points were well thought out. So I figured I would go a little deeper then just writing. "They suck!!" 😃Anyway good luck with your channel try not to blow up an hide behind a paywall.

@DJ-iu5bb

Ай бұрын

I read something online like they bring those 20 people that work on the show who they are begging us to fund them on the locations for the Haunted Locations and that sort of defeats the purpose you can see Ryan get brave with the Ghosts and Demons but you can see a clear difference with Buzzfeed he was legit scared and they def did the History on the show but I also hate the Fan Submitted locations and they say its Haunted but there no History or Background they just wanted to hang out with Shane and Ryan and like with Ghost Files its not only Steven Lim that eating fancy food both Shane and Ryan and the crew is eating fancy food before they was eating Taco Bell this made them less relatable as they are bragging about going to the best Restraunts if you look at Ghost Files

@scottyheav

Ай бұрын

@@DJ-iu5bb Agee. Crappy hand held cameras and cool locations with a scary backstory was all we needed or wanted.

if either Steven or Shane do not quit Watcher by monday evening, none of them will be able to salvage their reputations.

This is proof why all the history teachers I had were always cool people. I love history and puppet history was my favorite among them all. It’s so tragic to see it being paywalled. If they are so determined to run head straight into a brick wall. I might never see anymore puppet history.

I echo the cat's sentiments. Yes, I know the language is a bit harsh, but when you're right, you're right.

KZread recommendations did a good job with this one. I had no idea this was even happening! Thanks!

@Maloola_

3 ай бұрын

That’s what I’m here for 🫡

That fact that you don’t know they have a fairly successful Patreon shows how little they advertised it and didn’t even try that route to make more money. And those patrons are getting more screwed than anyone else

Thanks for the coverage :). I'm glad to see a perspective from an actual fan, rather than someone just chiming in for clout. Could I recommend making the video a bit louder? It's quieter than everything else on my computer rn.

Totally agree with so much of this sentiment - but it really sucks that there does not seem to be a pipeline to escape the platform of KZread. That because of its deep pockets, audience/brand loyalty, and purposefully obtuse and uncontrollably fickle algorithm that forces creators to chase trends rather than create what they want - even a team that has built up as much as Watcher can't escape. I'm not discrediting viewers that feel betrayed or whom are literally priced out. Hell, I'm one of them too. But I also truly dislike what KZread has done to some of my favorite creators just so they can remain both relevant and "in the game" as everything races to the bottom.

@Maloola_

3 ай бұрын

This is such an important perspective to bring up here. It really is sad, I’m only 3 videos in to my channel and I’m already feeling pressure to try and make videos about trends for the numbers. I’m refraining (save for this video because I had genuine passion for the topic) but oo boy the pressure to do numbers instead of make videos I’m passionate about has already sprung up. It has so much potential but the KZread system is profoundly sad sometimes

This genuinely makes me sad but I think I’ll just have a little marathon tonight and farewell one of my favourites that once was.

I found your channel because of this disaster. I am glad I found your channel. I don't know if you know who Markiplier is but he is a great channel to watch imo. You heave more than earned my sub and I can't wait for more!

Steven says something about the views not being as good as they were in 2020. LIKE DUH STEVEN.. WERE NOT IN QUARANTINE ANYMORE. People aren't stuck at home. I know Shane and Ryan agreed to this but Steven has always given me the weirdest vibes. Like an alien wearing human skin or something. That's the easiest way to describe it. Maybe Shane and Ryan got possessed by a demon? Maybe it was Shane messing with those cursed dolls? Lol jk.

At 9:39 when he goes "first we have to travel to the location itself" and they show a plane flying over what looks like it's gonna be a beach holiday 🤣🤣 Yeah I'm not paying for that 😑

I just stumbled across your channel and you are hilarious. Keep it up!

Just gained a new sub! Side note, you have a beautiful voice

@Maloola_

3 ай бұрын

Ahhhh thank you so much 🥹🥹

One good thing to come out of the Watcher Goodbye KZread video -- I'm finding all kinds of new-to-me creators saying things I like! I hope you figure out how to get your teaching credential -- you'll be great.

I loved the dynamic of Ryan and Shane and my hope is that they got sucked into this and don't fully agree on the project, but after watching their goodbye video and seeing all of the comments with no reaction from them makes me super bummed that I was wrong. Idk if there's coming back from this. p.s. Just found your channel and I love youuu.

Lol "worth it" is not worth it

“I learned how to be a human on KZread” ???

Very very very good take. Youre not coming from a place of anger but logic and personal experience. I agree with everything youre saying. This move will be historic I think. I would postulate that they probably put themselves into debt with this streaming platform and need to recoup thr costs. But their fundamental flaw was not understanding their audience. They can make all the content they want to their artistic standards but is anyone willing to pay for it, especially when they key demographic is broke people used to getting their product for free.

I have a hard time understanding why this is an issue. If they want to leave, and if one doesn't want to pay for the service, they don't pay.

Ododjdkgiciosksr if the staff and sara hadnt said anything i maybe would have bought the apology alittle more. But i have kids and live in florida. Aka the next fucking cali. I cant drop hulu or Disney plus because those services have stuff they enjoy too. Doing that just for watcher would not just be selfish of me but i already barely have time these days to watch the things i want. Its not realistic :( when they started with buzzfeed the economy was so much better. I could afford food and rent and the devils lettuces as a freshly moved out teen..smh good times

New sub❤

Totally a greedy move RIP watcher

I watch KZread on my Tv... It's better than actual shows in my opinion. I don't pay for actual TV channels because so many people put out such great things to watch even if it's not TV level quality. Watcher was one of them... I will continue to watch since they back tracked now... but who knows what will come of their channel.

im glad everyone found their video corny just like i did 😭

I thought they had their own office doesn't that have space for them to film in or am I wrong? And didn't they once say when filming ghost files it was Shane and Ryan and 3 other team members? So did they lie? About how many are on location with them?

@localabsurdist6661

3 ай бұрын

They have an office (which apparently is in a very expensive location in Hollywood) and they rent extra studio space…

@localabsurdist6661

3 ай бұрын

And about the filming crew I also have no idea anymore… they shown in multiple videos people who do the work regularly but they also said they have freelancers when they fly to locations… idk anymore

Watch them finally bring back the Hot Daga…

2.82 million as of now. Hope it goes lower!!! Apology video be damned.

I would like to note that it is criminal you only have 106 subs

@cydday9914

3 ай бұрын

Subscribing to you and unsubscribing from watcher

This has absolutely nothing to do with anything but you have beautiful eyes!

Whats with the weird "in the arms of the angel" music? None of them are dying lol

Shane and ryan used to be better than this. Ive been watching them since buzzfeed. Not so much big apple steve. But im disappointed in the ghoul boys

6 Buzzfeed employees disliked this video Crap, i mean WatcherTV employees. i don't know where my confusion came from

I loved this commentary but had a hard time hearing you, particularly in relation to how much louder the watcher footage was. If the mic was a little closer to your face I think it would be perfect. ❤

@Maloola_

3 ай бұрын

I super need this feedback right now while I’m still figuring out audio n stuff! Thank you for telling me, the next one will be better cuz of you 😁 if you notice anything else pls pls let me know

You're voice is lovely btw

Tone deaf? Yes, greedy? Idk. I can understand that a creative would strive for as much freedom as possible, and in our world that freedom costs money (sadly). That is especially true for visual media. We don’t really know the extent of the limitations advertising put on their content, and I know that, as a fellow creative, having your creative outlet policed is soul crushing. That being said, they should’ve explored other avenues before going scorched earth with their KZread platform. There had to be other options, even if they were harder or less profitable, but we don’t really know what led to this behind the scenes. In any case, I wish them the best in their journey. They’ve provided a good amount of laughs and good moments. I wish it could’ve gone on for longer but life seldom is what we want it to be. I genuinely wish them the best and hope they find an audience because they’re truly talented.

@samuraisharkie

27 күн бұрын

The problem is that their ads were not restrictive. Plenty of creators get ads like theirs and are able to cuss, discuss dark topics, etc. and Watcher’s content is especially suited for KZread- it’s not the kind to get shadowbanned or taken down, it’s never been toeing that line. In fact they’re poster boys for KZread and have been for a long time. I won’t deny that it’s surely frustrating, KZread is NOT a rewarding place to be as a creative, but they certainly shouldn’t be having struggles with policed content. And there’s a few financial advisors that have laid out exactly how much they’re earning and how much money they’re WASTING with the way they’ve been running their business. They’ve been living beyond the means of their business and reaching past what’s sustainable for their current situation (ESPECIALLY with the current economy) and, unfortunately, they could not sustain the number of people in their company. All three of the show runners are millionaires. The greed comes from them wanting to continue living the high life, going on field trips and drinking and eating fancy food whenever they head out to a location, going to amusement parks and cocktail parties and whatever else tickles their fancy, and for the large group it’s become, the more that cuts into their production budget. The amount they earn from Patreon alone is enough to carry them through production costs. I respect them as creators. I think they should be able to do what they really want to. But they did get greedy when such a chance was handed to them, because they couldn’t stand to wait for it to happen.

You're being unfair tho, they didn't shoot themselves on the foot! They shot themselves on both feet, ankles, two kidneys and three arms. It's crowd funded career suicide. They managed to tell their non-paying viewers that they don't do content for the poors, while telling their paying members that they don't really care about them. "You're already giving us money, so just give us more money for a worse experience!!". Also as you said, there's no prospect to acquire new fans since nobody is subscribing to random "streaming channels". So essentially, they let go all of their fans and chose to move forward with the ones who were okay with them double dipping their patreon members. This has to be one of the worst business decision I've seen in a very long time. I can't remember a company being able to lose 99% of their audience with a single video

Also CollegeHumor had a non youtube presence back in the day. But it ended up flailing and becoMing dropout. They are trying to do the opposite??

Keep saying television caliber content is so infuriating to hear

I unsubbed from them and you’ve gain their respect and a sub

The "eat the rich" people now understand why it's okay to be rich and wanting to stay that way. Sounds like the audience is warming up to capitalism with being okay with ads for "free "content.

"If this is my last time on KZread, then baby what a life I've lived" is one of the CRINGIEST things I've ever heard....Dude, how old are you? you've been on KZread for how long? And you're talking about it, like you're at an Award/Tribute show Celebrating your life at 90s year old. I LOLLED when he said that.

Hey @maloola I just subscribed to so please don’t sell out yet

@Maloola_

3 ай бұрын

I’ll wait to sell out until I have 3 million subscribers and then I’ll offer my paid KZread channel for the low low price of whichever body part you wanna sell to me

ur really cute

Nerds ,,,just apologized. All is fine Now! Stop hating ,already _

It’s kind of insane to me that SO many people are saying the exact same thing abt the decision- that they hired beyond their means, bloated their budget, and got way too ahead of themselves to be doing the things their doing. People that run their own companies have said the exact same things you have said, that’s how obvious this whole situation is, and that kind of boggles me. These three rich kids spoiled from success forgot how to behave around normal fucking people. They’re in L.A. at cocktail parties and hanging around people with a WAY higher income than them, but they want to be “part of the cool kids”, and try to make the jump before their ready. I’m all for them chasing their dreams. If they want to join the high life in California, sure, they’re free to do so and all power to them. But the self entitled and frankly ignorant “let them eat cake” way they’ve gone about it is so entirely baffling that I’m honestly surprised they lasted as Watcher as long as they have. How does one fumble so badly that every single onlooker, whether they’re also in the industry or not, can identify the problem and yet they can’t?? It’s shocking. Needless to say I haven’t touched their channel since, even after the apology video. They just have shown themselves to be way too stupid to handle what they’ve got. That sounds harsh but that’s what a decision like this warrants. They want my attention again? They want my money? They can start learning how to behave like a real business instead of a group of college students on spring break. They can learn to respect the people giving them the opportunity to do what they do. They can get a grip about business and humble themselves. They can take a step back and realize some of their grandiose machinations for many of their shows simply aren’t sustainable. Until I hear anything about that I’m happy staying away, I haven’t missed them all that much unfortunately.