Out of all of my air guns , and I have quite a few of all power plants. My HW 85 .22 is my favorite . I purchased it in 1989 and shot this so much I destroyed the spring . Replaced it with a vortek PG3-3 spring and now it's better than new. It's awesome .Increased power by 5 flbs and accuracy is still spot on out to 45-50 yards. Absolutely beautiful

Many newbies think that the gas ram is the be all, to end all, air guns, but if I have my choice, I will take a spring piston every time. Easy to add a guide shim to make things fit right and work just as good as a gas ram or better. Top pick, all HW's and HW77.🙂👍

@tylerpatner6591

Жыл бұрын

I tend to agree, for almost the exact same reason. When gas rams grew in popularity, I picked up a few and had some issues and quickly came to realize that it's a lot easier to work on/repair springers than it is gas rams. When a ram leaks, you need to replace it, there's no alternative. And some of the fun with springers is making custom guides, shimming springs and playing with the performance of your gun. Much harder to do with a gas ram IMO. But, much easier learning curve when it comes to dealing with that bi-directional recoil.

@LowkeyAirgunner

Жыл бұрын

My buddy found some steel spacers under his gam ram...now I want the part number to order some 😁

@springpistonriflefeverlone9611

Жыл бұрын

@@LowkeyAirgunner I think that is to keep it inline. I don't think spacers will improve power of a gas ram.

@LowkeyAirgunner

Жыл бұрын

@@springpistonriflefeverlone9611 it does! {Apparently} But I don't know if the gas ram likes it...

@springpistonriflefeverlone9611

Жыл бұрын

@@LowkeyAirgunner My Benjamin Black Lightning has a flat washer peace in the Piston that has a divot in it for the gas ram arm to set in.

Springer. My Crosman Phantom .177. Love it. (..and the crappy, generic 32x4 scope that came along the package..is still working good on the rifle)😁.

@tylerpatner6591

Жыл бұрын

So long as you're enjoying it, that's all that matters!

@TuttleScott

Жыл бұрын

I rebuilt mine. cleaned and polished everything and now its smooth as buttah! bearing mod to the trigger too of course. only gun I like more is my crosman optimus which had the same treatment.

My Diana model 34 just hit 24 years old and still shoots great.

I too will choose a spring over gas ram and I'll always go for a . 22 over a. 177 caliber. But the thing I like best about springer's is that when I'm out camping for a time I don't have to worry about where am I going to get my power. As most of you know, a springer is self contained. I just need to bring enough pellets and a small cleaning kit along. Unlike PCP's and CO2's. Just pick my rifle and go have some fun.

Love my Hw35k. Dose everything I need from an air rifle 😊

I own a Crosman Vantage in .22 and it did take some getting used to for good accuracy. Adding a scope helped as well.

Great guy great help.Thanks

Love my springers! In order of favorite to least...HW30s .177, Diana 48 .177, Gamo Bone Collector Swarm Gen 3i .22, Diana 34 .177, Crosman Valiant .22, Hatsan 95 Vortek QE .25...I really do not need any more airguns but an R9 would probably be on my radar.

i got the Swarm Fusion Gen 2 and really like it....first break barrel and after using a friend's Crossman single shot, I said no way to loading every time...the 10x fixes this and for 200 bucks or so, you have lots of enjoyment while still not blowing your bank acct...I recommend getting 3 or 4 cartridges to keep the action moving

In my springer collection I have; hw97k, model 95, Trail NP and several others

I like them all!

@tylerpatner6591

Жыл бұрын

This is the way!

I had the hw97 thumbhole.tuned by Jin Thomas with the vortex kit.awome rifle

All I know is I love my Gamo Socom 177. I'm shooting it open sights these days. Just did a rebuild on it over summer. It's the only springer I know honestly, but it does what I need so I've not looked at anything else. Weirauch and Air Arms have my attention though.

@tylerpatner6591

Жыл бұрын

You're looking in the right place if you plan to upgrade, but as long as your gamo is doing what you need it to, there's nothing wrong with running it!

Post more stuff like this 👍🏻

@pyramydair

Жыл бұрын

You got i!

I have a Diana 48 .177 which is deadly accurate but heavy. I'm now looking for something like a Weihrauch HW50 S in .22 cal. I'm even looking at Hatsan 95s for cost effective pest control and plinking. I'm leaning Weihrauch at the moment, but money is tight so I'll have to save a bit more. 😉

👋🏾sup brAh! I have a few springers 😉 ! I’m loving the Diana 54 airking pro in 22! It’s a tac driver after I installed a Vortek tube kit and t06 first stage screw mod! Braddah👊🏾😎

@pyramydair

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!!!

Next to the HW 40 pistol I also the HW57. Like many Weihrauchs she is a diva but once it is broke in it delivers spot on.

Sweet!

@pyramydair

Жыл бұрын

Very!

My Air Arms TX200 in .22cal is a rifle that surpasses my expectations.

I have a Hw50 with record trigger and I had it tuned and a few coils removed from the spring which has just taken the edge off of the recoil but with no real reduction in power and it shoots very nicely. Simple but quality engineering what more do you need? No bells or whistles, the rest is down to the operator.

Nice video as always Tyler. I am looking at springers possibly for field target use. It seems the top two in use are the HW97 and the TX200. I watched a video on the HW97 and will not get one. Once disengaged, the safety cannot be reengaged without activating the cocking lever. If I were to line up for a shot, click the safety off, but then need to pause, I cannot put the safety back on without moving the rifle and activating the cocking lever. To me this is unacceptable and unneeded. I did like how the safety was engaged when cocking. Looks like I will be leaning towards the TX200, especially the laminate stock versions.

.22 Walther LGU Varmint guy here It's my best springer for sure

I'm a Crosman 13xx fan, thinking of a springer next. Something about using the barrel as a lever seems wrong, isn't underlever just better design?

Air arms tx mk2, 22cal. And hw97k 22cal. Is the numbers one.😊

I have 10 to 15 piston/gas ram... most are Beeman, I have a coulpa hatsan, earlier this year I bought an HW97, but my fav is the Beeman Crow Magnum gas ram in .25. I have yet to see a spring/gas 25 match it's muzzle velocity of 850 fps 👍🏻 I even have an early Gamo, I guess it was the first of the auto feed break barrels!

@tylerpatner6591

Жыл бұрын

Nice! The old Crow Mag was a real monster of a break barrel. Hard to find guns of that quality with that much power these days. Though there are a few that are pushing those velocity numbers, nothing of that heirloom quality level.

Just got the bsa grt I love it but how long will the gas ram last will there be any problems in the future

I would beg to differ that the Air Arms TX200 is truly the Rolls Royce of air guns. But the Weihrauch HW97K is definitely the Mercedes Benz. Great video! Air Arms TX200 .22 Weihrauch HW97K .22 Diana 46 Stutzen .177 BSA Air sporter Stutzen .177 Senica Aspen .25 Hatrsan Carnivor .30 Just to name a few... Pyramid Air has supplied most of them!

@tylerpatner6591

Жыл бұрын

I actually shoot a TX200 over the 97k for Field Target. The statement was more about guns of that quality tier (which the TX absolutely falls into)....only so much room on the table though LOL

@SpringGunner13

Жыл бұрын

@@tylerpatner6591 Between the 2 rifles that are mentioned by DR.F? I think it's a matter of preference. I shoot the HW97k in WFTF sub 12 fpe with the Vortek tune kit. My friends shoot the tx200 at our Field Target club in Arizona and they love the TX200. Being able to take the rifle apart with ease, I have to say both are amazing spring rifles and it's really up to you as the shooter. Now I'm left handed and the HW97k just made way more sense for me ergonomically. I'm surprised to see you making a review on piston air rifles? HA could Tyler Patner actually come back to the light side of the force? LOL JK

@tylerpatner6591

Жыл бұрын

@@SpringGunner13 I think I shot more FT matches with a springer last year than I did with a PCP to be honest. I need to go back to the dark side in a more dedicated manner I think hahaha

@SpringGunner13

Жыл бұрын

@@tylerpatner6591 LOL. Well who doesn't like a accurate pcp. I just don't want to see the springer class fade away. One more ? When you shot springer class? Which class was it, WFTF or Open? Have a great day! JP

@tylerpatner6591

Жыл бұрын

@@SpringGunner13 I shot both, but using a sub 12 FPE gun regardless.

I got several gamos in my collection but they are sadly almost only made of plastic so the air arms and weihrauch is my first choice

Slavia 630. Only 520fps but with that CZ barrel it’s one hole groups at 25 yards with its favourite pellets

@tylerpatner6591

Жыл бұрын

The Slavia guns are some of my favorites. Have had a few 631s and a 634 years ago, liked them a lot.

@airgunspestingch.8426

Жыл бұрын

👋🏾sup brah! have both still 631 & 634😉 both with Vortek tube kits braddah 👊🏾😎

@airgunspestingch.8426

Жыл бұрын

👋🏾sup brAh! Still Have a 631 & 634 both like you said the cz barrels are very accurate braddah👊🏾😎

@edwardmiles3921

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for responding Tyler, I didn’t expect that at all, I just wanted to add something for the KZread algorithm because I know it’s getting harder for anything shooting related to stay on their acceptable list. I really respect your knowledge and insight, keep up the fantastic job you do. God Bless

That was some refreshing real OLD NEWS! 😂

which is the best gas ram with fixed barrel air rifle?

My favorite airgun is my Walther LGV. I like it way way more than my HW97kt.

@MysticalDragon73

8 ай бұрын

sad its no longer made

I narrowed my selection down to the HW97k and the HW98, any input to help me "pull the trigger" on my purchase would be appreciated

@redauwg911

Жыл бұрын

HW97k

Hi i hope you can help me i need a spring for a diana 27 how mutc wil iet cost with shipping to namibia please

Can you tell me if you can send a spring to namibia

That Crosman looks just like my old Gamo 220

Iv had a good few springers , only have the one now , the hw97k . Do i need to say anymore

@tylerpatner6591

Жыл бұрын

Nope! You're good, and I'm sure your 97 is good too.

@oliverberry7826

Жыл бұрын

@@tylerpatner6591 spot on it is and yes im good

I love my 22 vantage but i didn’t see worst rear sight

the cheap crosman is not bad at all as it got power the more expensive ones may look a feel better but in term of power they cant compete I think.?

Got my eye on an HW30!

@buijs1967

Жыл бұрын

If you take the HW30S you will absolutely love it. Not so much power but great for plinking and target work. It is as accurate as my HW97 at 10mtr.

@tylerpatner6591

Жыл бұрын

The 30 is an absolute blast. You can cock it with your pinky and it shoots like a dream

@redbay8527

Жыл бұрын

Get the HW-30, you will NEVER regret it and you will fall in love with it right away. If you can, spend the extra money and get an early gun from the early to mid 1970's. I have 4 Beeman R-7's, two San Rafaels in .177 cal and two Huntington Beach in .20 cal. I think it's the finest "intermediate" air rifle ever made - bar none. Super easy to cock(18 lbs), the early ones didn't have a safety, very accurate, and powerful enough for squirrels and other small pests.

walther terrus or diana 34 is wht i would put in start.

For hunting and pest: Good = HW-77 .177 in long barrel, Better = Beeman R-1 .22 cal. Best = Beeman Kodiak in .25 cal. Just for plinking: Good = Gamo Magnum in .177 cal, Better = RWS Model 24 in .177 cal. Best = R-7 or HW-30 in .177 cal. For target shooting from the bench: Good = HW-77 in .177 cal. Better = Walther LG-55 DST. Best = FWB-300.

Not a fan of gas got one home and no power think it must of been leaking, looked at some videos and seen where they would start leaking with in two years, and costly to get fixed, where a spring if it dose go any one can replace it. The problem hear in Canada even if it leaks with in 24 hours they do not want to give your money back, they just wanted to give me a gift card, but after some time did end up getting my money back, and was told it was a one time thing. Not shopping there any more. I do have a Gamo varmint in .177 great shooting rifle and very powerful more than enough for hunting varmints. but want a .22 Cal. but hard to find hear, looking at the Gamo G- Magnum Jungle .22 cal. But on a waiting list.

What about longevity- spring vs gas piston?

@pyramydair

Жыл бұрын

Springs - many are rated for thousands of shots (tens of thousands). Gas springs - if they don't leak out, will last for a LONG time as gas does not tire.

What are Gamo's generally like for reliability??

@tdmmcl1532

Жыл бұрын

1000 pellets thru a gen 3i swarm magnum .177...after some less than pleasing accuracy, I replaced the scope with a hawke AND MOST IMPORTANTLY I removed that stupid autoloader and feed pellets manually. The autoloader has a design flaw that apparently no one wants to talk about..they talk about all the wrong things and completely miss the biggest problem with the gamo autoloader system: the autoloader presents the pellets OFFSET by almost 30 degrees OUT OF PLANE to the bore. This means the pellet pusher that slides the pellet into the breech is CRUSHING BOTH the head and the skirt of the pellet into the breech. This is a design flaw. All autoloader magazines made by gamo have this inherent design flaw. If you notice there is this small little dimple in the plastic molded pellet holder (there are ten of them). That is how gamo TRIED to overcome a design flaw. Rather than just go back to the drawing board and actually develop an autoloader system that presents the pellet perfectly INLINE AND TRUE TO PLANE OF THE BREECH BORE, they attempted to take a short cut and cut a small dimple that causes the plastic pellet pusher to slide in and MOVE the entire autoloader magazine cassette BACK IN TO ALIGNMENT..the problem with this shortcut to mask the design flaw is that this causes the pellet to hit against the side of the breech more first at the head of the pellet as it slides in and then also at the skirt. so if you get a gamo, and even if you think it is accurate, just take the autoloader OFF entirely, load a pellet manually and the first thing you will notice is that you will have to zero again. But once you have done this, accuracy will improve significantly. and yes, that design flaw does cause accuracy problems at close range. And gets more pronounced farther out. Otherwise, it is a pretty good air rifle. If I had to do things over, KNOWING what I have found out, I would have just bought a much more inexpensive single shot gamo in the "magnum" power range..and saved myself the frustration of dealing with a design flaw that was not that easy to understand until I really starting looking at pellets AFTER they were loaded by the autoloader system. And by that, I literally mean pushing them back out from the business end with a rifle rod and looking at just how much damage happens to the head of the pellet you know how I first started to wonder about this? I was using those rws "bb" hyrid pellets...you know the one. It has a tiny bb glued to the head of a hollow point pellet. The bb was literally rolling down and out of the barrel after each "reload" ...How could that be happening, I wondered? It takes alot of force to knock that little bb off the hollow point body. So I started to look closely at how the autoloader magazine presents the pellets to the breech bore. it's not even close. It's like a half moon if you look at it straight. That is how much the pellet pusher is smashing the pellet back from that offset into the breech bore. So I looked at about every type of pellet made..short shirt, long skirt, heavy weight, allow...nope ..all of them get smashed from this design flaw. ALL OF THEM. I send gamo a video and photos. I even dissembled the autoloader and removed the magazine inside. I showed them exactly with mathematical precision how to manufacture the magazine CORRECTLY so that each 10 pellets in each magazine will ALWAYS be lined up perfectly to the barrel breech. I showed them exactly with precision how to properly "CLOCK" these magazines so that they don't have to cheat and use that lame dimple to overcome a design flaw. you know what gamo said? nothing. never responded. did not even acknowledge the information. To be fair, I am pretty geeky and I really like to experimentally refine just about everything that I have ever bought. It's just something I am. But to see the design flaw and then the shortcut they used to try and mask it was something that I really had not seen before. If you really want a nice springer that is reliable, shoots very accurately, and is easy to maintain...hatsan mod 65..slap a good hawke scope on it and have a blast. I also like the benjamin trail np xp ...same thing though..get a better scope. and be prepared to tune the trigger because the oem trigger sucks ass. This is what you find with air rifles. There is almost always just that one thing that you will find that holds them back from shooting well. (I professionally bedded my trail...I also removed the moderator and tuned/ground the crown. it is just as accurate as the gamo and even the hatsan...but of all the air rifles in my quiver, the mod 65 hatsan required the least amount of "tuning" to shoot accurately, and consistently. just my opinion. God Bless America

@MysticalDragon73

8 ай бұрын

youll learn to avoid turkish, spanish and most chinese guns.

Once you shot a HW/Beeman with Rekord trigger unit you are spoiled. Air Arms TX200 ect should be on the same level but unfortunately they outpriced themselves compared to HW 77/97. My favourites are HW30, 50 (ak99) and HW97K. I think i will try a Diana with T06 trigger in the future to see how it will compare.

@tylerpatner6591

Жыл бұрын

We will have to agree to disagree. But either way, the TX and 97/77 represent the absolute best in the spring/gas ram world

No AA Pro Sport ??? I got one and its the best springer I've ever had.

@pyramydair

Жыл бұрын

Limited space on the table. You are absolutely correct. Pro-Sport is the most amazing air rifle.

@albertwesker4266

Жыл бұрын

@@pyramydair yep, however I would like to see its newer version someday, like next gen with gas piston and steel lever ✌️

*I am not a fan of 10 shot systems* _{Especially the .177 swarm gen1 wich I ripped off my rifle because it was awfull/couldn't chamber half of the pellets right}_ Yet I would have to say that I like springs better for reliability and tuning...but I also like the different feel of a gas ram _even if I had issues with them already_ [Gas rams seem's to be a tiny bit softer on scopes but my IGT with no shroud 🇨🇦 is as loud as a springer! ]

@pyramydair

Жыл бұрын

How is Gen2 or even Gen3 working out for you?

@LowkeyAirgunner

Жыл бұрын

@@pyramydair I never had the chance to try one sadly... Hopefully they work better! Mine (I had two gen1 the first one had a mag jam wich bent the spring holding the swarm system) Left a sour taste in my mouth for mag fed break barrels...

@brianbanks3044

Жыл бұрын

my Gen 2 works fine...no problems after hundreds of pellets fired

Asp 20

@pyramydair

Жыл бұрын

was a great gun while it was still made!

HW90 gas ram in 20 caliber.

Way dont you answer my kwestions

Diana has left the chat 💀

I've heard good feedback about the Woodglut plans.

So many people from the UK are into air rifles🤔 Just realized y’all can’t readily have real guns like us Muricans.

I have a gamo swarm magnum in .177 and Im hitting spray cans at 200 yards on a windy day so far with 12.5 grain nsa slugs but 16 grain zan slugs work better and pack a better punch but they do require more clicks on your scope 😢 the 12.5 grain require les clicks so they can probably reach even further I havent tested it out yet but these breakbarrels are more capable than people think 🫡