This is actually a fascinating experiment which demonstrates how gold nuggets and flakes can form in hydrothermal vents and quartz deposits, which are usually very acidic and full of sulfides and sulfates. The super-critical acid water dissolves the gold transiently, and it then nucleates around forming crystals quickly, building up on itself into lumps.

@dogodogo5891

7 ай бұрын

iam doing experiment at rock suppsoedly contain gold by dissolving them at 30% h2so4 when greenish things sulfate appear(fe 2 i assume) i add h202 then yellow murky things appear i think i will achieve fe 3 state but no matter how many peroxide it was and full steering at hot temp, it always revert into clear greenish things again, i theorized somehow gold fe 2 ion prevent gold from being oxidized thus precipitated it what do you think?

@sreetips

7 ай бұрын

@dogodogo5891 I don’t have any experience with processing ore/rock.

Gold will not dissolve in pure sulfuric acid. You need some sort of coordinating ligand (like chloride, bromide, iodide, cyanide, thiosulfate) in solution to keep gold in solution: otherwise the gold will reduce itself back to metal immediately.

@Hellraiser3331

2 жыл бұрын

It does dissolve but it has to be boiled in fuming sulfuric acid, below 98% wont work

@kamelsamer5768

Жыл бұрын

Hellraiser3331 is right "It does dissolve but it has to be boiled in fuming sulfuric acid, below 98% wont work"

@sreetips

Жыл бұрын

I had no idea

@kamelsamer5768

Жыл бұрын

@@sreetips Check this old video out " Nitric Acid(1962) " watch?v=wpa7aMUtSI0 Minute: 13:20 I quote: "That is the temperature, play a major role of which reaction predominates." I recommend watching the entire video.

@sreetips

Жыл бұрын

I’ve dissolved traces of gold in boiling nitric acid. But I’ve never seen gold go into solution with sulfuric acid at any strength. But I’ve never tried it.

Very interesting. I've heard about high purity gold "cold welding". This was cool to actually see it happen.

What you made here is known in chemistry as piranha solution. This is very dangerous to do as a casual experiment. The sulfuric acid is an extremely strong dehydrating agent. The H2O2 becomes a very strong oxidizer in the presence of H2SO4. This allows the mixture to provide a free oxygen that can disrupt C-C surface bonds, forming a carbonyl group. This activity causes significant disruption in the surrounding bonds. That’s why even though it didn’t harm the inorganic gold, it could easily destroy any organic matter. Also, if your H2O2 concentration is too high, the mixture can become explosive. Please be careful when mixing sulphuric acid with oxidizers unless you’re confident in your knowledge.

@themyceliumnetwork

2 жыл бұрын

what happens to the H2O2 when heated above 140F inside or outside the sulfuric acid.

@chrisweatherley9587

2 жыл бұрын

its also really good at cleaning stubborn glassware deposits

@user-kt3lc6rr8u

2 жыл бұрын

@@chrisweatherley9587 True, especially with organics that have been burnt on after a distillation! Still, a very dangerous chemical when made accidentally.

@user-kt3lc6rr8u

2 жыл бұрын

@@themyceliumnetwork The rate of thermal decomposition increases. I don’t know if in solution with H2SO4, it decomposes to a safer mixture, or if the free oxygen release would sustain the reactivity of the solution. But, this solution when mixed tends to be exothermic enough to bring the reaction to 120C. Either way, you don’t want to heat H2SO4 to 140C. At that temperature, it would be able to dehydrate organics very easily.

You made Peroxymonosulfuric acid. It will dissolve all organic material. I’m glad you wore all the proper safety equipment while making this acid.

@2:50 what you produce there with the H2SO4 and H2O2 is "Piranha solution" and it is supposed to attack primarily organic compounds. But you could use liquid chlorine, bromine or iodine to dissolve gold. would be interesting to see.

@ZoonCrypticon

2 жыл бұрын

When watching the video till the end I saw, that you came to the same conclusion...

@MadScientist267

Жыл бұрын

The mixture essentially does what nitric does on its own, but yes should work if chlorine is present, even just the gas as with nitric. Question is, how do you need to modify the drop to have that part go... SMB for example.. don't think that's gonna work... But I've been wrong before. Not that there wouldn't be another way... The gold isn't exactly itching to hold on to anything 🤣

Excellent gold show. Thanks!

This is like a mystery movie.

For those that don't know what MSDS means this is it. Material Safety Data Sheet.

@scotthultin7769

2 жыл бұрын

had to use that book a few times in my working career

@Christophersanchez1326

2 жыл бұрын

it's changed to Safety data sheet. 😎

@mdtransmissionspecialties

2 жыл бұрын

It’s sds now

Actually, it was wonderful since this video shows that we can get rid of filter paper after the AR refining process and not lose any gold by having to melt it, cause the piranha turns it into metallic gold.

You are my North star 🌟 Godfather of desolving & purified gold so thank you from young brother from Saudi Arabia 🇸🇦 🙏 ❤️

@sreetips

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

You created piraña solution which completely oxidizes organics like oil and grease. Once the gold sponge was cleaned within an inch of its life, it cold welded.

No experiments are a bust if you gain knowledge from them. It's how we learn. Keep up the great content!

@rootsharp9946

Жыл бұрын

it's really not. sometimes teach is really the useless one. take this guy for example, he doesn't know the most essential parts of the video (just like not being able to detect gold in the result) and he still makes videos.. "education" people like you are the reason why we don't have good things.

H2SO4 + H2O2 produces Caro's acid when mixed cold. If you boil it it will decompose immediately. If there is any H2O2 or Caro's acid left over it will immediately oxidise your stannous or Fe(II) gold detecting reagents.

@ut000bs

2 жыл бұрын

Isn't Caro's made with chlorosulfuric acid? I'm not a chemist so forgive me if I am being silly. I'm thinking the chlorine, which is not in Caro's itself, is some sort of key here.

@sreetips

2 жыл бұрын

Makes sense. Thank you

@kirahund6711

2 жыл бұрын

@@ut000bs The standard laboratory method for producing Caro's acid is slowly adding H2SO4 into H2O2 in specific proportions while monitoring the temperature, because it will get pretty warm. I guess using chlorosulphonic acid would produce caro's acid, too, plus some HCl. I assume that caro's acid is strong enough to further oxidise some of the HCl, e.g. into chlorine. Not entirely sure.

@ut000bs

2 жыл бұрын

@@kirahund6711 I greatly appreciate your reply. From what I can see H2O2 + ClSO2OH gives you H2SO5 + HCl which is what you said. I bow to you since you obviously know more than I. I will keep reading. Thank you so much.

I really enjoy watching watching the wins and the fails. I wouldn't call this a fail, but a transformation of gold from powder to nuggets. Thanks for sharing!

You produced 8.5% more GOLD! Not a bust, not a fail!

@allrightenergy

10 ай бұрын

Got to love miracles.

Thank you for the lesson sir. I get here from goldrefining forum

This was a great video without an ad even though the experiment wasnt sucessful

I would be interesting to repeat this with a small amount of silver nitrate added. A trace of silver makes piranha solution a lot more powerful.

Hey that's a pretty cool way to turn your gold powder into gold nuggets. Successful experiment I'd say sir !

You’re welcome and thank you for sharing. I would not have guessed it would coalesce in that manner. It resembles what would come out of an amalgam retort, of course we know it’s very pure and it shows. Spectacular glow.

This kinda stuff is good to know! Thank you!!

@sreetips

2 жыл бұрын

What gets me is the fact that I already tried this during my first stock pot series with negative results. Early signs of a new season in my life.

@shaneyork300

2 жыл бұрын

@@sreetips If you're talking about age and memory, I can relate a little!

Interesting to see you using piranha solution

That was a good experiment. Even if it didn't result in the manner you wanted. Always learning! Just like a game of chess. It's when you lose that you learn from your mistakes.

With normal gold drops via reduction with smb... Its the sulfur dioxide gas dissolved in solution doing the reducing.... H2so4 is essentially so2 oxydized and hydrolyzed.... Any gold you managed to dissolve would immediately be reduced back out in this setup just as the so2 generated by smb in say an AR drop precipitates and drops the gold

Well streetips though that experiment was a bust it is a learning curve I won't be doing that myself when I get more into this but thanks for the results.

Awesome tahank you very much...

What also dissolves gold, is the mixture H2O2 and HCl. In principle you are creating the same chlorine radicals tha dissolve the gold, as in aqua regia.

Great experiment! I just tried this reagent for removing carbon and other organics from a soil sample prior to extracting and detecting gold. I am trying to see if bacteria are consuming molecular gold and accumulating it in soil.

@sreetips

2 жыл бұрын

I’ve heard of organisms that produce gold in their waste. Trying to detect tiny traces of gold isn’t easy.

@sanmarzano

2 жыл бұрын

@@sreetips I'm synthesizing and using a reagent BSOPD that has almost the same sensitivity as ICP mass Spec. I read somewhere that Bacillus bacteria seem to be more prevalent when found near gold deposits.

It looked a dangerous procedure, which did not work as expected but was worth as a learning experiment.

Hi, it is possible to dissolve it with H2SO4 + HNO3. But only if the temperature is high enough. The precipitation works then by adding water. This is being used to dissolve gold when its mixed with silver (carat gold). For carat gold you use the inquartation process as we all know. By using above described method you don't have to do this. Since aqua regia isn't working well with carat gold, this is an additional method besides the inquartation. One important thing. As soon as you add HCL to this method, the precipitation of the dissolved gold won't work anymore by adding water, which is logic as you create aqua regia by doing so..... H2So4 + H2o2 won't dissolve AU, but there is another thing which you can do by that. You can dissolve carbon. (epoxy, plastic...) => IC chips. This is better than just H2So4 alone.

@sreetips

2 жыл бұрын

I know that some processes are counter intuitive. Such as inquarting: adding silver to remove all the silver from the karat gold. But the method you speak of, there is already water present in both acids. So adding water to precipitate the gold doesn’t make any sense to me. None of the professional refiners on the forum ever once made reference to such a method. Unless this is something new - or a hoax.

@hirschkuh2205

2 жыл бұрын

@@sreetips I haven't done it either. I use the inquartation method. I came to this by research after having realized that some of my gold dissolves when H2So4 and Nitric are present without and traces of Cloride. So I started to search WHY and found some articles about it. Maybe one day I will try and share my results with you.

@sreetips

2 жыл бұрын

Wouldn’t hurt to try it on a small piece of karat gold for an experiment.

@harryniedecken5321

7 ай бұрын

Thank you for run running this experiment. Interestingly what you demonstrated was a potentially useful purification method. That hot piranha solution will dissolve many of the contaminants and leave behind gold and not that many other materials.

Hydrogen peroxide with a few drops of the acid is what (theoretically) reacts with gold because the acid makes the peroxide a much stronger oxidiser. The other reason this was done the wrong way round is that you should never add water to concentrated sulphuric acid. You should add the acid to water (and your peroxide solution is mostly water) I'm glad you were very carefull.

@sreetips

5 ай бұрын

Good rule of thumb

Caro's acid (also known as piranha solution) which is what you made isn't stable at high temps. I don't think it will dissolve gold regardless. It's great at dissolving anything organic though. Well it dissolves it, oxidizes it to carbon, and then oxidizes the carbon into CO2 at which point the solution goes clear again. It's sometimes used to clean gunk out of lab glassware. Needless to say, don't get it on you. It actually does what most people think acids do when it gets on your skin.

@sreetips

2 жыл бұрын

It was hidden from view in the recesses of my mind. I’ve actually tried this before. But total forgot that I had.

hey thabks for the vid really useful!

Scary stuff there!

This makes me curious about gold chemistry beyond refining. I never heard about gold sulfate, but I know gold oxide, nitrate and chloride do exist. And there is our beloved chloroauric acid.

Another educational experience. Thx for sharing the experiment. Currently digging and collecting a pile of e-waste to try a recovery. Going to see what I can collect and recover from free sources at the end of the summer.

Hey, Sreetips.....I was watching a few chemistry vids from both NileRed and Tom from Extractions and Ire and both of them have independantly said the same thing about the use of Piranha Solution that i need to pass onto you as a big safety tip....when making a batch use either 3 or 4 parts concentrated sulfuric to 1 part of concentrated peroxide...DO NOT LET the peroxide ions exceed the acid ions in the mixture or the resulting liquid can become EXPLOSIVE....so if using it in future,,,,let the reaction completely die down in the container before making any more or adding any additions

@sreetips

2 жыл бұрын

Excellent, thank you

I've always had problems with stannous tests in high peroxide solutions. Always come back inconclusive until I got them much more concentrated. Caused me alot of issues for some time.

@johntherrian5365

2 жыл бұрын

Didn't realize what your conclusion was. That's crazy.

H202, the sequel to Water

Hello Sir. Wery interesting 👍take care Mr sreetips 😊

Another source of h202 is pool shock oxidizer I believe I think that it is in the 25-30% range

What was the cost of materials? Making nuggets that way might take longer than smelting, but probably something you could just 'set and forget'.

Won't put gold in solution but will make a hot dog (or your finger) disappear... That piranha solution is some nasty shit

Well, at least you tried! Prob the Prana acid H2SO5 broke down and thus you could not dissolve the gold. Sulfuric acid alone cannot dissolve gold so if it was breaking down prob the sol of Prana was degrading.

This experiment might not have been a complete failure. Now, if you get gold nanoparticles in suspension that you can't filter out, put the solution on the hot plate with strong stirring and boil it dry. Maybe the tiny particles will cold weld together as the solution evaporates...?

Are you able to cast a gold trinket or some such? I know your sight is about getting the most out of recovering gold or silver from metals. Just wondering

@sreetips

2 жыл бұрын

I’ve got a small but beautiful 10g bar of gold from a previous refining. I need to mount it on a chain then offer it for sale on my eBay site - thanks for reminding me.

Piranha cold welds gold That’s why the pieces will appear smaller

Watching here in the Philippines🇵🇭

Are those beakers rated for...so much heat? Do they break often, from the heat? I ask this because im always afraid one will explode on me. Doing my best to use PPE but it is always a constant concern for me.

@sreetips

2 жыл бұрын

Pyrex or borosilicate glass will take lots of heat

Not a fail, it is a result, H2SO4 does not disolve gold, even in presence of oxidizer. could be used in some cleaning or extraction process. I think it is used in so called wet ashing, disolving IC chips in concentrated sulfuric acid. BTW, compacts gold powder... :-)

It's a FAIL cause it didn't turn into liquid ....I say it was SUCCESS cause you just took gold powder and turned it back into a solid gold without using fire....now would that work with any amount and Is that method cheaper than the gas and torch to heat it back into solid gold ..

@sreetips

2 жыл бұрын

High purity gold powder can be cold pressed into a bar - so I’m told.

@americanfreedom1016

2 жыл бұрын

@@sreetips can you do a video on cold press or try .....I'm sure everyone just likes watching you work with gold so any video is never a waste of time ....

“Local hydroponics store” 😎

Doctor 5star👏

Peroxide decomposes rapidly so maybe you're not getting a high enough concentration adding it at that rate just don't confuse that with I said you should do it faster LOL you're the man with all the experience but these crazy thoughts just pop into my head and then leak out as oversharing XD I guess you could call it something like an internal dialogue leakage

Try a piranha solution using nitric acid in replacement of sulphuric acid. I've made this cocktail before for funzies. I'm still alive so it never blew up luckily 😂 Nitric and peroxide! Sounds dangerous... Likely is dangerous... But it eats the hell out of a hotdog 😂

Hmm prana solution to reduce the gold into a metal. Neat idea.

@sreetips

Жыл бұрын

It didn’t work

You pour this into a sideways mold and then you see if the flat gold will lay down tighter after nodding up and reducing the electron count 0:39

Sir, what you consider a failure has still a bright side since you end up with nice & tight gold chunks which are much easier to smelt (no more gold powder blowing away upon igniting your torch) and I am still wondering if the newly obtained product is in a METALLIC state and non colloidal form. In such case congratulations for this Unexpected Discovery ! Please perform an electric current conduction test as final proof and to be on the safe side (a long time subscriber)

@sreetips

2 жыл бұрын

I added those pieces to another batch and re-refined them

What about hydrobromic acid (HBr)? I don't know a thing about chemistry, but it sounds good, right? 😅

can i use HCL instead of sulfuric acid, i think HCL better? can i use SMB for gold 24k ?

Really interesting experiment, do you think the ~7% contaminants in the sulfuric acid is prohibiting the reactions from taking place?

@kirahund6711

2 жыл бұрын

The contaminant is water.

@VendettaProspecting

2 жыл бұрын

@@kirahund6711 Do tell?

@chrisweatherley9587

2 жыл бұрын

@@VendettaProspecting you cant have 100% h2so4 due to it being highly hygroscopic.

@GMCLabs

2 жыл бұрын

@@chrisweatherley9587 usually the highest concentration would be 98%, but you can get it to 100% by disolving SO3 in it.

@sreetips

2 жыл бұрын

Not sure

Can you use this piranha solution on your filter papers instead of burning them? Or would the sulfuric acid cause a compound you don't want with the precious metals?

@sreetips

9 ай бұрын

Burning (incineration) converts some junk that may cause problems. Then hit it with piranha to dissolve the carbon.

@zeke9567

9 ай бұрын

@@sreetips do you have a video doing that ?

@sreetips

9 ай бұрын

I think it did it in the jewelers scrap video series.

Mr. Sreetips, would you sell that 1.2g you just boiled in the piranha solution? Please let me know.

@sreetips

2 жыл бұрын

I’ve already dissolved it, sorry

@Ziegen-Sauger

2 жыл бұрын

@@sreetips NP, thank you for replying

I was curious how long you let the stock pot work after the last addition of gold waste solution

@sreetips

2 жыл бұрын

At least 2 days. Then I remove the bubbler and let it settle another two before siphoning off the waste liquid to my waste treatment bucket

@davehirby3767

2 жыл бұрын

@@sreetips thanks keep making the great videos

Not a fail, just proved it would not work to put Au into solution. But it worked in collecting fine gold powder off beakers to a recoverable chunk. Cool. I have some storage jars that I know are covered in fine gold dust that I can not just get off them with out AR and dropping the gold again. Hummm...

@sreetips

2 жыл бұрын

I’ve used AR to remove stubborn sticking gold deposits on the inside of my beakers

I know absolutly nothing about chemistry but watching your videos makes me sad i didnt take chemistry back in high school

@chrisweatherley9587

2 жыл бұрын

teach yourself. read. lots. i didnt start until 30yrs... im 50 now and starting to understand haha...

@chumpypoodle

2 жыл бұрын

@@chrisweatherley9587 sweet

@sreetips

2 жыл бұрын

I took one chemistry class back in high school - got a “D”

@chumpypoodle

2 жыл бұрын

@@sreetips doesn't seem like it lol. You make it look interesting

What is the best DIY method to reclaim silver from 1200lbs. of x-ray film from 50s, 60s, and 70s?

@toomuchdebt5669

2 жыл бұрын

Bleach.

@rockbutcher

2 жыл бұрын

He has a vid on that from way back. I think he used bleach to pull the silver oxide off of the film.

@mikestewart4752

2 жыл бұрын

Sreetips has a video on this topic.

@sreetips

2 жыл бұрын

I did X-ray film once. It was messy, time consuming, and the yield was low so I’ll probably never do it again. But it is a way to get silver for your stack.

I'd just put that 1.1 gm of partially solid gold into a dish, heat it and add a lil borax and make a solid button out of it, then sell it as such...

Everyone: Gold is a super-unreactive metal! Sreetips: Here are 10 billion ways to dissolve gold.

@shawnk8685

11 ай бұрын

It didn’t work

Was there a source that said that this would work , or just an experiment ;) Thanks again

@sreetips

2 жыл бұрын

Yea, a viewer suggested it. I forgot I’d already tried this. I’m in the spring time of my senility.

I need help I'm using nitric substitute from amazon and can't get my gold to drop out.

@sreetips

2 ай бұрын

Sorry, I have no experience with nitric substitute. I don’t what that is.

This is the only video I could find on this experiment. It proves some of the information on the internet false. My only question now is, can I add h202 to the sulperic acid to speed up the process of parting my inquarted gold from silver and base metals?

@sreetips

Жыл бұрын

I’ve never tried that. I don’t know.

Would salt make a difference?

@sreetips

2 жыл бұрын

Possibly

Will the sulfuric acid not kill the stannouus chloride?

@sreetips

2 жыл бұрын

I don’t know

Or some potassium nitrate. To you mixture

@sreetips

10 ай бұрын

I’ve never added potassium nitrate during a refining.

You just started with the 2nd charge of h2o2 and I'm wondering if something important is missing that does what the chlorine does in the normal aqua regia reaction. Forgive me since I'm writing as you go. Dammit, Jim. I'm a physicist, not a chemist. 🤣 🖖‍ Don't feel bad, Sr. I failed in the experiment, too. We gained wisdom though. Later Edit: after reading a bit perhaps heating it was a bad idea? I have found h2so4 + h2o2 makes Caro's acid which is destroyed by heat? I also find Caro's acid is explosive. Well, now I find Caro's is not made with sulfuric acid. It is made with chlorosulfuric acid. There is that chlorine again. Hm… 🤯Caro's is h2so5 so where does the chlorine go and what would it do to the gold powder?

@allrightenergy

10 ай бұрын

Go were no man has gone before. I love Star Trek. I love this GOLD stuff better.

This had me wondering something....1) Piranha Solution...will not put gold in solution......2.....Piranha solution will eat organic matter.....3....incinerating your filter papers for trace metals produces lots of organic matter (ash).....maybe this liquid could be utilized whenever you have to find metal throughout lots of ash

@sreetips

2 жыл бұрын

That’s an excellent idea. I like your thinking process.

From what I understand , a fail is still a win , because you know more than you did before . Win win chicken dinner lol . Thanks Sreetips that was very informative and fun to watch . I leaned something today as well . See you soon my friend . Cheers

@sreetips

2 жыл бұрын

I’m in the spring time of my senility. I had already tried this in another video and forgot about it. But still a beneficial reminder - not to try it again in the future. If you see me doing it in a future video then it’s probably time for sreetips to retire from refining,

Yeh I didn't think that would work, but thanks for the video anyways 👍

Interesting video thank you four stars

cool vid.,.,.tkzz

Интересно палладий таким методом как себя ведёт?

When you put gold in sulfuric acid, I see that the color of the gold changed to black, is this true or not?

@sreetips

6 ай бұрын

I didn’t notice that.

I think that’s pretty cool to show even if a bust. If you have a nitrate salt like magnesium nitrate or sodium nitrate. It would be fun to see if you could get gold to go into solution of sulfuric acid and a nitrate salt. Even try a lower dilution of sulfuric acid at around 30% with a salt to simulate using battery acid instead of drain cleaner.

Could you do a recovery with sultrier acid and hcl, this is a aqua Regia also but I’m having trouble finding process online and was hoping you would take a stab at it?

@sreetips

Жыл бұрын

Sultrier?

@edwardtk1210

Жыл бұрын

My bad I like watching your videos so much I typed to fast: H₂SO₄ Sulphuric acid

@sreetips

Жыл бұрын

Got it

My question if you learned something then how was it a failure? You had a idea and turned put false, but that is how we learn from the failures.

I understand from this video that concentrated sulfuric acid alone does not dissolve gold salts,Is that right?

@sreetips

6 ай бұрын

That’s exactly right.

@assiftachdirt6539

6 ай бұрын

As for hydrochloric acid, does it dissolve gold salts?

@sreetips

6 ай бұрын

Not very well

@assiftachdirt6539

6 ай бұрын

The gold salt that you put in sulfuric acid and hydrogen peroxide, if you put it in nitric acid, will it dissolve or not?

@sreetips

6 ай бұрын

I’ve never dissolving gold salt in nitric acid, I don’t know.

Is cotton good for filtering solution

@chemistryofquestionablequa6252

2 жыл бұрын

Not for the sulfuric acid, H2O2 solution. It'll dissolve anything organic. For that you want a glass fritted funnel.or fiberglass like he's using.

@chrisweatherley9587

2 жыл бұрын

no.

@sreetips

2 жыл бұрын

I’ve never tried cotton filters so I don’t know.

When I seen the title I said ah hell no please don't tell me this works I had a strange thing happen to me over the weekend I was processing some gold corner bga chips and was all done with reaction I had some Salfides and some black sand from river sluicing that contained some gold so I dumped it in thinking the Excess nitric would consume whatever gold was in the sand I walked away for a little I came back and I saw my solution looked like Brown mud I proceeded to filter it and tried to drop the gold With SMB But I couldn't get anything to drop it was like my gold vanished So I got to thinking maybe my gold was in that sludge that I filtered So I took the filter and the sludge and redissolved it And sure enough by adding the black sand Somehow ferrous sulfate was created In the 1st reaction Which caused all my gold to drop out a solution

@chrisweatherley9587

2 жыл бұрын

iron sulfate wont drop gold.

10:16 add table salt (non-iodized)... Sulfuric acid and sodium chloride react to make hydrochloric acid and we already know that'll put in solution with that much of that concentration of hydrogen peroxide 😂😂

What if you added iodine to experiment

@sreetips

10 ай бұрын

I don’t know

Your making piranha solution

@GoatFaceKilla

2 жыл бұрын

Put a hotdog in it.

The hardware store sulfuric acid has an inhibitor in it that is carbon based, this is designed to prevent dissolving pipes. Adding the hydrogen peroxide creates piranha solution, which in turn attacks the inhibitor in the sulfuric acid. Essentially, you are turning the concentrated sulfuric acid to a high percentage of sulfuric acid, and with the added heat, you are boiling off the water byproduct while carbon dioxide is released. Add enough hydrogen peroxide, and you will eventually get piranha solution, not add enough and you will just increase the sulfuric acid concentration. For your carpet video, after turning it to ash, putting it in the piranha would get rid of the carbon based ash and leave your gold behind. Piranha solution isn’t supposed to dissolve gold. Edit, now that I’ve finished the video, I see you realized this and now I shall eat my hat.

@sreetips

2 жыл бұрын

I hadn’t thought of using it to process the jewelers carpet

I thought the gold needed to be mixed silver so it could go into solution. Is that just for nitric?

@sreetips

2 жыл бұрын

Yes

H2O2 loses an Oxygen molecule when heated to or past 140F and turns into H2O redo the experiment and only heat to 130F max. lets see what happens then. growing mushrooms gave me this knowledge.

@chrisjones-fp5vd

2 жыл бұрын

That doesn't happen here, it reacts with the H2SO4 to form what is known as caros acid or H2SO5

@themyceliumnetwork

2 жыл бұрын

@@chrisjones-fp5vd what happens when you include the laws of thermodynamics ? heating H2O2 to 140F + in the air, in water, in an acid or in a plasma chamber is still heating it to 140F+ i have spoken to sreetips since a time before this youtube channel what I am doing is sharing my experience with him to try & you type in whatever it was you are trying to do......

@chrisjones-fp5vd

2 жыл бұрын

@@themyceliumnetwork I'm not sure I know what you are asking.. or saying

@themyceliumnetwork

2 жыл бұрын

@@chrisjones-fp5vd that is what I said & now you are parroting me.

@chrisjones-fp5vd

2 жыл бұрын

Do you think I am arguing with you? I am not

I think your idea is plausible. But, your procedure may be incorrect. When you add 30% h2o2 to acid, your essentialy adding water to acid. Which will create a lot of heat, decomposing the h2o2 before it can react. Additionally, for your stannous test, You might get better results by testing an h2so4/h2o2 mixture. A possible control test to determine if stannous chloride will detect gold in solution would be to react ag(cl3) with h2s to make gold sulfide. Add the sulfide to your mix, then test the solution with stannous. You might get a result by chilling your reagents, then premixing before adding gold or heat

is it baffles me it should have went in solution

@chrisweatherley9587

2 жыл бұрын

why? theres no reason for it to go into solution. adding h2o2 to h2so4 is esentially the same as diluting h2so4.

so this gives out the gold sulfate, the piranha solution, piranha should be boom boomy solution, you are able to directly electroplate gold from that solution, so aqua regia is not required, for refining gold, direct oxidation dissolving of gold with piranha acid, usually hydrogen peroxide oxidation happens only in acidic conditions, possibly other mild acids would also work with h2o2. did you measure the liquid you added. not conclusive evidence. microscopic amounts of etching (like with KOH) would count as dissolving.

@gsestream

9 ай бұрын

what do you think makes gold pieces attach to each other, if no dissolving reaction happened (gold should not react is the assumption), yep they got surface level glued. it will dissolve as fine nano particle powder.

@sreetips

9 ай бұрын

I don’t know. But it’s safe to conclude that piranha solution does not dissolve the gold.

@gsestream

9 ай бұрын

well if any tiny small amount was dissolved, it would be able to be electroplated and directly observed@@sreetips

@gsestream

9 ай бұрын

I mean if the dissolving is slow, you might be able to leave stuff dissolving over longer time, like days or weeks, and h2so4/h2o2 would be easier to obtain, I mean in that way you could do direct electro-reforming, maybe electric+h2so4+h2o2 direct electro-oxidation-plating reforming would be even better process@@sreetips

@gsestream

9 ай бұрын

just make sure that the electro-oxidation liquid has, say, znso4 as the base, so it will be the first to be always electroplated out, and the gold as bulk last@@sreetips

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