Tory MPs: "😆hehe we're alright Jack, AI will never destroy our jobs, because we don't need 'intelligence', only greed!"

@leonard8766

Ай бұрын

If an innovative AI system were to participate in governmental elections, I would seriously consider supporting its candidacy.

How can they raise the retirement age when nobody has a job ! Jesus it's always a bloody scare story!

@jordoncampbell5118

Ай бұрын

Don't want you to reach retirement age. so keep adding years on.

If AI takes over our jobs and increases productivity, who's going to buy all those products, if we don't have extra money to spend?

@jackdubz4247

Ай бұрын

Reducing the surplus population, meaning those who don't have the means and the money to survive the AI apocalypse, is the only thing those in power care about. AI is the end of humanity.

@badnick6659

Ай бұрын

Yet it will still happen.😮

@Discodave007licencedtothrill.

Ай бұрын

You’ll start getting UBI (Universal Basic Income), which should be set at, £2000 at least, £24.000 A YEAR, for doing nothing. Everyone will jump at it.

@TorIverWilhelmsen

Ай бұрын

@@Discodave007licencedtothrill. "Nothing" in the sense of "do what you like". The UBI experiments around the world shows that the economic safety net that UBI represents makes people more likely to try their hand at entrepreneurship, do charity work, do "unprofitable" things like helping others etc.

@TorIverWilhelmsen

Ай бұрын

@@Discodave007licencedtothrill. Why do you think I disagree with you? YOU were the one who used the word "nothing"! Are you trying to be disagreeable for the hell of it?

UBI needs to be at forefront of every government now before AI completely wipes out most PAID work

@jackdubz4247

Ай бұрын

They will never do that.

@bierfuerall

Ай бұрын

UBI wont work, who would pay for it? people that dont have work? or the Rich?

@Discodave007licencedtothrill.

Ай бұрын

@@bierfuerall 🤣 The typical brainwashed response, “Who’ll pay for it?” nonsense. UBI, WOULD work. EVERYONE on should get £2000 A MONTH, and EVERYONE, will jump at it. FACT…. Get your head out your arse, and enter REALITY.

@Discodave007licencedtothrill.

Ай бұрын

@@bierfuerall🤣 “Who’ll pay for it?”. Is that really a serious question? 🙄🤦‍♂️🤣🤣

@bierfuerall

Ай бұрын

@@Discodave007licencedtothrill. wont be through taxes, as less people with jobs means less taxes, wont be the Rich, unless you believe they are good people not greedy, so where would the money come from? A Brexit unicorn perhaps?

If Professor Geoggrey Hinton is correct, it has to start now. Not in 10 years, as that will be too late.

@BarryDiegoLondon-cy9ij

Ай бұрын

Jobs are already being lost to AI. The number of online support roles have already been reduced, as web chats have been deployed to significantly reduced the number of problems that need to be dealt with by a human

@sfactory8253

29 күн бұрын

And I thought I was talking to a person on my pension web chat ☹

🤔 That's why the tories have done their best to kill as many of us as possible 😡🤬😡🤬😡

Yep Government needs to wake up And capitalism only cares about profits not people

@clivesmith9377

Ай бұрын

Wealth is immoral.

@rickatatastan2695

Ай бұрын

Money is Power. As Shakespeare put it... Gold? yellow, glittering, precious gold? [..] Thus much of this will make black white, foul fair, Wrong right, base noble, old young, coward valiant. Ha, you gods! why this? what this, you gods? Why, this Will lug your priests and servants from your sides, Pluck stout men's pillows from below their heads: This yellow slave Will knit and break religions, bless the accursed, Make the hoar leprosy adored, place thieves And give them title, knee and approbation With senators on the bench: this is it That makes the wappen'd widow wed again; She, whom the spital-house and ulcerous sores Would cast the gorge at, this embalms and spices To the April day again.

Professor Jeffrey Hilton A Voice of Reason ❤

One thing is for sure, privatization won't help, the opposite is what will be needed.

Could we elect robots to run Westminster? That's one way to get rid of tory scandals, they'd be a hell of a lot cheaper than ministerial salaries, and perhaps less susceptible to foreign interference too.

@user-zz2dx3qf7u

Ай бұрын

I don't know about that last, necessarily.

"Come with me if you want to work!" Terminator, the Revolution of the Jobless

UBI now!

If artificial intelligence develops in parallel to human intelligence we may find ourselves in a world where everything we own and everything in our lives is as clever as Nadine Dories. REFLECT ON THAT FACT !

@cormackeenan8175

Ай бұрын

LOL😂

@SirAntoniousBlock

Ай бұрын

We are getting stupider every generation.

@sfactory8253

29 күн бұрын

@@SirAntoniousBlock the oldies are. The young ones aren't.

@raymondpenn1066

29 күн бұрын

Idiocracy (2006) kzread.info/dash/bejne/aKCVy5uKmKXPks4.html

Introducing UBI Take note Labour 👍❤

I think it's more about job change than job elimination. It was noticeable how much work has been generated to create and manage automated systems.

Because warning governments about climate change worked so well before. Retail work is already being passed on to AI with automated shelf scanning for off sales, because companies hate paying wages full stop.

We need to have a re-think about how we view work. It’s true that a lot of people get their sense of self worth, and even their sense of identity from their job. That needs to change. At the moment so much of our time is taken up by work, we don’t have the time to really develop our hobbies. Most people just go down the pub or slump in front of the TV. Imagine the fun things you could do and the skills you could develop if you didn’t have to work. People say they would be bored if they didn’t work, but I’ve always thought that if you can’t think of anything you would rather do with your time than work, that’s really sad.

If nobody is working, who will they sell the products to ? If you don't work, you don't have money

@byronnilsson6808

Ай бұрын

Doesn't quite work like that.... We become slaves

@byronnilsson6808

Ай бұрын

@@Discodave007licencedtothrill. Do your history dude....

@Discodave007licencedtothrill.

Ай бұрын

@@byronnilsson6808 Done it thanks, “dude”. 😉 You can prove me wrong if you want to like? 😉

@Discodave007licencedtothrill.

Ай бұрын

@@byronnilsson6808 I have done thanks, “Dude”. 😉 If you want to prove me wrong, do so by all means, “dude”. 😉

@benghiskahn3673

Ай бұрын

They won't need to sell products. They already have amassed the capital and power. Now they push on with the next step which is to slowly get rid of the dead-weight (us) which consumes resources that would be better utilised by them.

Karl Marx said machines will increasingly eliminate the need for human labour 150ish years ago. Looks like we're getting there now.

Good afternoon Max and all here. That's right Max. What I read about robots work frightened me. Gap between the very rich and poor will be bigger and bigger. And with economic problems it will come the worst.

Seems like it’s time to rise up then. Redistribution of wealth would obviate the inevitable redundancy of the poor, so since there’s 99% of humans on one side and 1% on the other… sort of an inevitability, isn’t it. There’s no need for the vast majority of human beings to just accept any of this, after all.

@johnjephcote7636

Ай бұрын

One thinks of the machine breakers when the hand looms went over to power.

@sfactory8253

29 күн бұрын

But 10% will be employed as security or servants/services for the rich.

@steveharrison76

29 күн бұрын

@@sfactory8253 still leaves 89% on the other side. And those security people and what have you aren’t robots - they aren’t necessarily going to “just follow orders” when they’d need to fight off their brothers and sisters, when the people they are protecting are the same people that implemented the austerity that led to their grandmother freezing to death or their dad’s cancer wasn’t treated in time and they died as a result. It’s just not as simple as a question of firepower. The sheer momentum of numbers is the important thing. Plus, I didn’t necessarily even mean violence. These ghouls can be removed and incarcerated through existing machinery - the ballot box and the courts. “Rising up” doesn’t have to be violent - it can (and in my view SHOULD) be done by simply exercising the rights we already have… which is why they want to inhibit them, incidentally. They absolutely KNOW how vulnerable they are.

The dudes right on the money ain't he. Because work for income has been destroyed as a route out of poverty an now tech is going to make it practically Impossible. This is seriously scary 🤯

Agree with you regarding UBI Max ♥️

It's not just robots for blue collar jobs, it's also the service and creative industries where AI is encroaching: lawyers, accountants, some kinds of software development & artists of various mediums.

@thomasreilly6362

Ай бұрын

Lawyers not so much. AI already writes contracts and legal documents but it only becomes legal once a living lawyer signs it.

@audreymcgready4329

Ай бұрын

Look at all the script writers that went on strike. Due to AI.

@BeepBoop2221

Ай бұрын

Have you ever tried to code with AI? It's terrible.

@waynekeenansvideos

Ай бұрын

@@BeepBoop2221 Yes. I found it very useful for providing examples for new (to me) libraries, frameworks and asking questions about a particular technological area (e.g. Zigbee) I'd not used before. It might be terrible right now but that is likely to change.

@waynekeenansvideos

Ай бұрын

@@audreymcgready4329 yes, and?

When computers were brought into the workplace much of the propaganda centred on the concept that subsequently you would have more leisure time as a result, however, they failed to mention that the new leisure time would be courtesy of the unemployment queue: Al may well offer such "unemployment" benefits.

I have been shouting this from the rooftops for years. Every human job lost should incur a UBI tax to support the jobless. The Centrist Parties will still call us Workshy Wasters though. Don't forget Driverless Vehicles!

@sfactory8253

29 күн бұрын

It will come . Be patient. Unless in the UK then nothing ever changes. But it will for the rest of the world.

The means of production owned by offshore rich eletes will not be willing to share their profits by methods such as ubi.

@stephenwalker850

Ай бұрын

Elites even

I'm also concerned about culture. Who wants to live in a society where all art, cinema, and music is created by ai?

@user-zz2dx3qf7u

Ай бұрын

We're close enough, as of the eighties. It's been creeping along.

@orionnebula1136

Ай бұрын

@Mantastic-ho3vm That's sad

@orionnebula1136

Ай бұрын

@Mantastic-ho3vm Okay honestly, how?

@orionnebula1136

Ай бұрын

@Mantastic-ho3vm Yes, and it's all worthless

the amount of hopelessness I feel right now about my life as a young person is unprecedented ive never had a gf people dont even make eye contact and im so sick of money and politics I just feeling like dying. my mother just died and my dad is so old they had me at a older age. I have zero family. and most of the friends ive accumulated revolve around drinking and im sick of alcohol. this sucks this truly sucks. they circumcised me and removed my ability to enjoy sex I just feel so robbed of life by this entire society. Does anyone else relate?

UBI is never the answer. People need to solve problems themselves and get government out of the way. Hard work is the only way to prosperity.

I agree that AI will take lots of jobs. The only issue is with less jobs and spending power, who is going to be able to buy the goods and services produced by AI. The rich can't keep entire industries going on their own.

@BeepBoop2221

Ай бұрын

No it won't the current models we have don't work.

@jackdubz4247

Ай бұрын

Over the next few decades the human population of the Earth will go from billions to tens of millions. Then, by the end of the century, we will all be gone.

@WarrenPeaceOG

Ай бұрын

Capitalist class need to realize workers are consumers and pay them enough to buy the products they make

@willtricks9432

Ай бұрын

AI is a play thing for the lazy and artistic clowns floating around getting their coffee delivered by Robot. it will burn itself to the ground soon enough.

Mankind is obsessed with progress at any cost. To not pursue a product (eg atomic energy or the internal combustion engine) to the ultimate is often seen as ignorant or backward. We would rather destroy ourselves than change

This is all being done by design.

@lindabastable3021

Ай бұрын

No, it isn't. I am always amazed at this viewpoint. There are mountains of available evidence, exposing just how disorganised almost every human endeavour has always been. Humanity isn't good at being organised in the run up to any societal shift. What we are good at is managing to salvage some cobbled together compromise. But usually not until 11.57, not the 11th hour. Conspiracies generally get blown apart by an unhappy conspirator, or a talkative conspirator, or some unforseeable chance. Humans have strengths and weaknesses. Keeping conspiracies undiscovered is not our forte. For which I am tremendously grateful.

AI exists thanks to decade of data and content, collected from all of us, which goes into training it, to then out compete us. As such, because people need to be able to participate in the economy to obtain the basic resources they need to survive, AI owes us all a return on the investment our data put in. We need to demand policymakers implement an AI Dividend for All, from a tax on profits from AI. That'd help people get by as they find new sources of income or ways to survive, while also applying a little pressure on automated businesses to keep humans in the loop.

You'd think journalists would cover this more. It's pretty easy to train an AI to reword government and corporate PR releases and publish them as news, which seems to be 90% of journalists' jobs these days

AI won’t be so much about robots making things but much more about call centres being replaced by a computer. The government’s industrial strategy, if you can call it that, has been to upskill away from manufacturing to feed call centres so there will be carnage.

@sfactory8253

29 күн бұрын

The desk jockeys will reap the whirlwind . So end of middle class jobs.

The idea that a Tory Government would even consider a UBI is laughable The maximum you can get from the current ESA rules is £138 a week, peanuts. I would not want to be reliant on any Government for my sole income.

Plenty of jobs waiting for people trying to fix the problems AI creates. "Help, we fired all our developers and made the AI write code for us, and now all our customer data has leaked online and people are telling our AI help desk to give them refunds for things they haven't even bought!!"

Already happened to my daughter. Highly qualified, been a translator for 16 years, company started to struggle after the tory brexit debacle, sold to American company who now use AI, closed UK company end April 24,all redundant. Thanks AI

I'm on the BIA scheme in Ireland, and I am the most productive, content, and relaxed I've ever been. It works!

@PSYCHIC_PSYCHO

Ай бұрын

What is B.I.A Scheme?; is that the Irish version of U.B.I?

I process dental claims in the U.S.; 83% of the claims that come in aren't touched by humans and they are working on increasing that. Still, the software has a hard time reading handwriting so, until dentists type all their claims, people like me will still be needed.

They have to understand that yes production can go through the roof, but if there is no one able to buy the products because no one has a job or disposable income, the system grinds to a halt

Well said, that man! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

The track record over the past few centuries since the industrial revolution of people predicting jobs being replaced with machinery coming true, I'd believe them, because a lot of jobs have been automated by machines and computers in the past 60 years, whether it's assembling cars from scratch, to picking burnt crisps off the production line, and that's just the 20th century alone, we're 24 years into the 21st century now, we've got AI-operated robots doing burger flipper jobs, rolling about doing waiter jobs, delivering packages to homes and business, even driving buses and HGVs, technology is "easing the burden", but financially we're stuck in the past, if those jobs are gone, the pay is too, and a UBI, it's the only way to keep people safe and healthy...

Slippery Sunak is AI mad.

This was all foretold nearly 100 years ago in the 1927 film Metropolis.

@paulshields3599

Ай бұрын

And now record numbers in employment.......so Metropolis is wrong. For God's sake wise up.

Surely only the rich will be able to afford robots in their home the rest of us will be having to grow our own food and care for our children/elderly without any government help , still think it will be many years in uk as we are so slow

Every new technology is about to destroy the labour market. This was said about the large textile mills and every improvement ever since. Im far from convinced

This is something that has always existed when certain jobs become redundent. The development of a boat and the wheel would have left people not needing to carry goods by hand. Machines have in many parts of farming has replaced workers in the fields. The Aquaduct would have meant people with bucket to lose their job. What does matter is how we deal with redundancies in the future and not stigmatise people that thier skills are no longer needed.

Having seen AI outputs, I am not worried.

Pay off my mortgage and loans for home improvements then they are welcome to replace me on the nightshift.

In another timeline someone has travelled back in time and killed him.

Not just mundane jobs, highly skilled jobs. Web Designers for example are already starting to lose their jobs to an AI Algorithm that can assess a companies services and credentials and build a web site for that company from the ground up. And that's right now! AI will continue to evolve at a pace that humans simply cannot keep up with, making all of us obsolete. And what do you think they're going to do with us when we're no longer any use? Take care of us? Haha, think again!

@paulshields3599

Ай бұрын

Omg I've never read such nonsense. Who are the 'they' when we are no longer useful? For God's sake technology has always moved forward driven by the wisdom and intelligence of the human brain. think about it, record numbers in employment, new jobs in new sectors being developed in a typical 5 year cycle. Imbrace AI, it will generate wealth and jobs, this scaremongering helps no one.

@willtricks9432

Ай бұрын

Web designer is not a job it's a farce for the lazy to play with.

I’d love to see how ai would install a new boiler

i talk about a Urban Farm Which is Much More than Just a Farm its a Social Building Plan to be Blue Printed Copied and Pasted wherever it is Needed.

In the appendices to Dune, Frank Herbert says that the chief commandment of the Butlerian Jihad was recorded in the Orange Catholic Bible: “Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind.”

Here's a thought: Why not take all of the Silicon Valley hyped AI computing power and use it to invent-perfect & design for manufacture the Driverless Car!!

And the cut and thrust? It looks bleak to me.

For universal income, I would call it universal base income. What that would mean is that the income can provide basic shelter and food for a family of 4. With that, people can still obtain work outside of that if they so chose. Even start a business. If they hit a certain income threshold, they would drop off the universal income. They could reapply if they fall on hard times. I would also add that you can regulate different rules on the universal income for criminals, etc.

AI has already taken over our jobs. When you phone any call centre, e.g., any bank, the phone is answered by a talking AI. On many websites, the chat is AI-driven.

Ubi .. tax companys more for replacing humans for machines or we are doomed

We need a Nuremberg-type trial for the people that developed AI

ai and work robots cost more than human workers, there is also the backup and replacement parts , then there is the change in chips, motherrboards

Surely the goal is 100% unemployment..

UBI is obviously a very good idea(the current UK government knows this)but would be against their stubborn, neoliberal ideology so Labour-it's over to you.

@user-qd2hl9lu3h

29 күн бұрын

I won't be holding my breath - even with Labour in office.

When I saw the article mentioned UBI I hoped you'd cover it 😆

In china,the homes are tiny. In many countries ,tiny is all that you can afford. Some living spaces are just a pod in a stack of pods with a bed inside it and a locker outside for belongings. Going by the miserly benefits that the uk provides and the governments attitude in comparison to other eu countries,universal basic income will never happen. Already ,the tories are declaring that disabled people should not be given money and instead should have vouchers and a small 'one off ' payment to help them 'adjust'. Food banks are where people without a job will be sent. There will be a voucher system like during the war. There will be basic shelter,not homes. Ai and the introduction of vouchers will be the death of uk retail ,hospitality and travel. There is no way the tories or labour would even consider ubi paid in money ,as a long term solution for ai reducing jobs for people. People are already suffering for the errors of ai,software and it systems. Between hacking and errors there is no infallible ai. The reliance of governments on ai and computers for everything has led to hacking, data leaks,blackmail and corruption. Horizon is just one example of how vulnerable ai is and how human lives were destroyed by the companies and individuals that covered up their corruption.The government are chasing carers for £231 million in 'overpayments' which was the dwps fault. Sadly the uk government will never pay ubi en masse which would be much better for people and the economy than vouchers.

This reminds me a bit of how there used to be a load of automated car washes in the UK. Now there are a lot less but, at the same time, the number of hand carwashes has exploded. I do wonder if AI really will take over a huge amount of jobs because who will have income to buy products off of those companies, and therefore enable the growth they want?

Wait until the city traders start losing their jobs to AI. Then it would start getting some attention

If there are massive job losses then the way our society and economy works is going to have to change. All the money that corporations can save my not paying wages is meaningless if there are no longer any wages to buy all the trappings of consumerism. Everybody gets a big raise in social security, or the system fails. Maybe AI can help with the slowing population explosion, we keep getting told that there won’t be enough workers… then we get told that all the jobs are going to the robots… which one is it?

100% agreed

I wonder if you've read Aaron Bastani's book? He argued for universal basic services rather than income.

Look at airports or the large train stations. Floor cleaning is now being cleaned by automated cleaning machines. So no longer a need to have a person to drive the cleaning machine around

@davidty2006

Ай бұрын

since when did they have those?

@alanfairbrother890

Ай бұрын

@@davidty2006 at least 4yrs kzread.info/dash/bejne/i3x92KxvpcKyhrA.htmlsi=Ln3sMYoTG-8rkpT-

@Mr262126

Ай бұрын

That’s why Heathrow is filthy dirty ?

Hope the future has people who learn skills needed, just in case no power for robot AI...

Could AI come For Jobcentre jobs please - they’re useless!!

Frightening

GotaLove Channel i talk about a Urban Farm Which is Much More than Just a Farm its a Social Building Plan to be Blue Printed Copied and Pasted wherever it is Needed.

I predict we will still have deliveroo riders in 2050 !

Plus people’s “Self Respect”, will go straight out of the window. 😂 When they see THEMSELVES, on a Jet Ski, on a BEACH FRONT somewhere. For doing absolutely FUCK ALL.. 😉

@ThePanMan11

Ай бұрын

You think they'll give you enough to go on lavish vacations? Even if UBI is implemented to avoid people starving the business class will fight tooth and nail to bribe politicians to give the average person the bare minimum to live.

Never mind the letters (which in the final days I used them, were only read by humans through the first paragraph) If one requests something by email now, odds on it is scanned by AI as, if one's request does not match the pre-programmed list of requests, one receives a useless, inappropriate reply...or no answer at all. If there is a 'phone number, it is only one line and it costs to hang on for half an hour.

Of course, if we can make more things locally, rather than offshoring them, then we're also less vulnerable to supply chain disruptions.

Almost like he has a vested interest to sell a service that doesn't work.

There already is plenty of people screaming for others to be replaced by automation.

I'm taken back to the short story by E. M. Forster, The Machine Stops.

There's no point in AI if it doesn't cover minimum costs and expenditures. For example if it were to be introduced this year it would need to be starting at 2000 pounds a month . Some households would still need to work but I assume part time work would take over . Then there's all the migrants that came here for work , what's going to happen to them ?

Wealth gaps are truly bad for society. Transitions tend to be disruptive but I don't see AI being the force it is expected to be in the medium term. I see AI being a tool for professionals rather than a replacement for them. Personal opinion.

Karl Marx posed the question what if capitalistscould get machines that needed no workers. His conclusion was Capitalism would collapse. Since according to his theory wage labour is the source if surplus value. Also if there were no workers employed who could buy the new abundance of goods. Over 100 yrs later the Professor here is pointing out the same problem.

Asside from the issue of AI taking people's jobs, it is also creating a very dangerous situation where by the day to day world will be run by AI but there will be no humans to understand it when it goes wrong as it will. AI could be a very useful tool for assisting with work that people don't want to do or can't do well, but it should remain as that, a tool.

Just wait untill Al joins a trade union 😂

Even if they implement it whatever they decide the amount for UBI will be cut every year anyway until it practically no longer exists. It'll just be another political football the right wing will use.

@user-qd2hl9lu3h

29 күн бұрын

Indeed. You only need to look at the current social security system to see it.

Are number 10 listening? I think we all know the answer to that question.

Hoorah..we r all gonna b influencers!!!!!

@willtricks9432

Ай бұрын

Effluencer, is the correct term fo the clowns pouring crap out non stop.

Agree. Also, Universal Basic Infrastructure

How about asking retired people how they feel about not having to work as they are at the coal face so to speak.

People who tie their self worth to their job title could benifit from losing their job (it sounds crazy saying it) - But it could really let them remember that life's about more than work - let them finally find & persue their hobbies. There will always be jobs that can be replaced by a robot - And while it does sound cruel & cold; the truth is that if it can be replaced, then it should. The goal for humans shouldn't be to slave away on a 9-5. understandably it's far fetched & people would initially reject the idea - but given time, people would long term benift from it.

I do think we are still quite a long way off. I work in factories, I've worked with all sorts of robots and even the new ones require a lot of care and supervision. I've worked on automated lines, the robots are pretty dumb.

AI can produce, and replace the jobs of producers, but can AI and robotics buy? Or do we end up with a lot less people producing for a lot less people?

Unfortunately UBI is never going to happen, at a base level the goverment would need to find the entire education budget to give everyone something but it won't be enough, so it will be pointless.

@user-qd2hl9lu3h

29 күн бұрын

So what's your solution?

Automation as always caused some jobs to be lost and new jobs to be created. Universal benefit income is a good way to prevent people from dropping below the poverty line. However for people that are unemployed, and not doing any voluntary work, it needs to be attached to those people doing something to benefit society at large or their local community, and so by doing helps the person’s physical and mental health. People lazing about all day watching TV or on their computers and feeding themselves bad food, is a very unhealthy lifestyle, and adds to the costs of the NHS. Of course the activities that people do to benefit society or their local community is determined by the person’s physical abilities or how their mental health is.

Its funny to think that being a plumber or a carpenter will become a desirable job. Again!!