For an SSD only build, having a 4TB NVME boot drive doesn't sound crazy. The logic that having a massive boot drive lessens the need for extra storage drives means less headaches. Thanks Tech! Something to think about for my next build in 2027 or 2028.

@danmar007

5 ай бұрын

Fewer headaches.

Wear leveling works great when your drive is twice as big as you think you'll need. If 1TB would be the minimum, then 2TB would be nice elbow room and last a long time. A 4TB would then last pretty much forever. Even if you never filled it up the TB written is huge.

I built the best computer I could that did not require Windows 10, in 2017. I recently built a box with the 7950X and a 6800XT card. I have 4TB of storage, and I haven't run out yet, although just games take up most of one of those 2TB M.2's. This machine will be my last (I have a lung problem), and while I may upgrade the video card, it will undoubtedly last me 5 years. I made some of my choices for this build watching a video you made, and I appreciate what you do. You come across as honest and sincere, and as we said in the 70's (yes, I'm that old), "Once you can fake sincerity, you've got it made!" Keep up the good work!

I personally still like to split OS/apps/games on one drive and 'project files' (video and other stuff in progress before I move it to my NAS) on another so I have 2 2tb's but 4TB has gotten so inexpensive so fast that a single 4TB would make sense in a lot of cases. You can get the less expensive 4TB's for about what I paid for my SN 850X/Firecuda or less 8 months later which is crazy.

@dianaalyssa8726

7 ай бұрын

Have done that too. Will now let the main drive fill then move media to HDDs later. I usually end up having to reinstall OS every few months something will break on one, file explorer, driver, grub etc. Have a 2tb in currently. I have a lot of 2tb around now but when I do my OS' again fresh nand.

So, I basically made this comment on your last video. But even though I bought a 2tb and 1tb 980 Pros a year ago, with every intent to move them to my next rig in a year or two, I might not. Prices for drives have cratered so much, and PCIe5 drives are out and will be going down in price too. By the time I'm ready for a new rigs, it very well will be feasible to just go immediately for a 4tb boot drive and keep everything there, and leave my extra slots for an 8tb eventually. When I traded in my 4tb HDD for the 2tb 980 pro, I traded storage space for performance. It meant that I couldn't download every single game I own. For me, the performance of the 980 Pro in today's latest games was worth it. But it'd also be really nice to have the space again!

Time to change out my old drives for some new Ssd's and NVME for the OS drive.

just built a new mini itx computer (NR200P). I put a 2 Tb boot drive (crucial P5 Plus) and a 4 TB secondary drive (silicon Power). Both Gen 4 and got them at great prices in early November.

BTW, I've said this before, but I say again that Watching y'alls livestreams have fundamentally changed the trajectory of my life, and I can't THANK YOU enough!

@UberVike

6 ай бұрын

That's pretty sad considering it's just tech reviews. Re evaluate your life.

@c-dub8639

6 ай бұрын

@@UberVike you haven't watched his live streams

@c-dub8639

6 ай бұрын

@@UberVike i did re evaluate my life, after watching his live streams.

Finally someone going on record and saying, having your games on the c drive doesn’t make a difference with modern drives! Thank you. I still see people sticking 256 of 512GB boot drives in and then sticking a 1Tb game drive in. It’s crazy, stick the biggest drive in you can afford and stop wasting nvme slots. AM4 is a really popular platform, with 1 gen 4 slot and 1 gen 3 slot. You could stick a 4tb gen 3 drive in the gen 3 slot and run everything off that, then as prices come down and games require faster drives you could either stick a gen 4 drive in the other slot or upgrade the platform and use the old drive as a game storage drive.

@chrissyboy7047

6 ай бұрын

This. I think its the old way of thinking and a holdover from small ssd drives still being expensive so small boot then big HDD for games. What you say makes much more sense. Biggest ssd nvme you can afford and stick everything on it then extra storage added later. Simple

Personally I'd rather have the smallest (say 250gb) SSD possible as a boot drive and a separate 4tb SSD to host all programs, files etc. Preferably with a 64gb partition specifically to reinstall Windows in a pinch if the boot drive dies. I've suffered Windows corruption twice in semi recent memory and it's nice to not have to worry about your data or program settings if something goes wrong.

A couple months ago i finally built a new rig after my last one being from 2012 (that i also built) i put in a 4TB NVMe OS drive (SN850x), 4TB SSD (MX500) for games (have already filled half of it) and an 8TB HDD (WD Black) for everything else and i havent looked back.

Provided they're all equivalent drives and on equal PCIe (or equal SATA lanes), there's no discernible speed or efficiency difference between having files split among two or three 1TB or 2TB drives and having all on one 4TB drive. I prefer a very fast 1TB or 2TB boot and applications drive and a secondary drive, which doesn't need to be as fast, for "the rest." Some might say having separate physical drives is just a personal preference, but having a separate drive for "the rest" means I can physically move all that stuff to another machine in just a few seconds. With everything on one giant drive, you don't have that option; you're stuck with moving it all over the network. And it there's a lot (which is the whole point of having a big drive), that transfer will take a while and will introduce file corruption risk. That said, it might be less expensive to buy a single 4TB drive than a pair of 2TB drives. We're spoiled for choice.

An advertised 4TB capacity is a red flag, the 3.8TB or 3.84TB drives are usually better quality. If also you're using the PC for homework you should separate the game data so you can just backup the whole C: drive and not copy TBs that can be restored from physical media or Steam, Xbox etc.

You should make a MONTHLY series, where each month you give your best opinion on putting together a new PC with the parts that have the best value..not the best PC or cheapest PC, but one that gives the best bang for buck. It would be fun to see how that changes monthly. You could also make the CHEAP version and MAX version as well if you want.

I have a 1TB NVME boot drive. I like to keep most of my stuff off of the boot drive because if Windows gets corrupt and you have to reinstall then you'll lose everything on that drive.

@auntiepha8343

6 ай бұрын

Same here , same reason. I use a SN850x 1 TB NVME for OS drive and in the rest of the slots 2TB NVME's for storage.

My first HD was 2GB and I was over the moon when I got it. I still have it and it still runs. :)

I was hoping to pick up a 4tb 990 pro as my main drive with my Samsung gift card at samsung's website, but they did not have any in stock till later next year. At least through them and the card only worked on samsungs website. I did however pick up a 2tb 990 pro and it cost me nothing. I also picked up a 4tb crucial during black friday sales for about $158. I might need another 4 tb as extra storage and as a scratch drive. Right now I use a old 4tb hdd as a backup storage drive.

I should have done four, they are there if you don't hoard data. Still have at least 3x 2tb and those are super nice. I would say 512gb is done, my friend just fit Windows, CoD, Apex, and WoW after updates/compression. 4 is the future.

Honestly I do regret not putting a 4tb SSD on my current RIg. I did build it a few years ago, thinking 2tb was enough since I'm not a yearly call of duty/battlefield player, dont really play warzone, etc. Between Apex Legends, Hell Let Loose, Squad, Destiny 2, Elden Ring, Warhammer 40,000: Darktide, Baldur's Gate 3, Guilty Gear Strive, Red Dead Redemption 2 and a few other games I find myself telling friends "sorry idk if I can download another big game before getting close to running out of space". A lot of modern games are HUGE!

1:05 when you realize you've been in the industry for too long hahahahaha

You might believe this but I still have my Ryzen 1800x build that was a hybrid of the first two builds you did on the channel (1700 and the intel 6800? with the 1080TI (which I'm still using) actually it was your channel that gave me the courage to build it. It's worked perfectly up until last week when it suddenly froze, then on restarting POST and got to teh windows log in screen but wouldn't go further. Restarted again and now it fails to post. Green light on the motherboard says "CPU ready" I've flashed the motherboard bios but still can't get anything out of it - just a black screen (it's not the monitor I've tried different inputs and it works) wondering if it's the graphics card. Might be time to just buld another PC and see which parts work

I paid less this fall for a 2Tb SN850X, than I paid for a 125Gb Samsung 830 Pro sata drive when it came out. The best thing about large drives is you don't lose all the space when that new program or game is a few gig too large to fit on the remaining space. Cheers

you should do a poll of the average age of a PC in use.

I have a 990 Pro 4TB as my OS drive, and a 8TB Sabrent Rocket 4 Plus for everything else.

It would also be a game-changer for my wallet. Besides, I can hardly see myself easily filling 2TB, let alone double that. I currently have 1.5TB of space overall that is maybe about a quarter filled. To be fair, that may just mean that this advice is not for me..

i remember my first solid state device and its a flashdrive . 1gb for 20$ and was so happy i can put hundreds of music lmao

I go with by the biggest and best NVME / SSD / HDD for your boot drive. I keep my C drive only for OS n apps. For games I user separate NVME,SSD & HDDs (yeah still running those for older games)

as long as you have backup of documents/photos, 4TB is all I need in my future build. if you work with video, get extra drives for that.

Nice video :)

Got the 4TB SN850x Black card, it's wonderful for game install size anxiety. It went down to $230 on Black Friday.

Haven't watched this channel in a while and I gotta say the beard is good look

In august, I put in my final storage upgrade and am here to say I don't need to upgrade for a long while across all my drives until they're obsolete or die. Boot Drive: 2Tb 970 Evo Plus NVMe2: 4Tb MP34 NVMe (Bought on prime day) Game Drive: 4Tb 870 EVO SSD (Final part purchase) I still have not, I repeat, have not utilized any space on my 4Tb MP34. My 870 EVO still has a good 600gb left filled with a steam horde library. To the average user, all you need is the 4tb drive and nothing else. Use it as a OS and Game drive and you'll be fine. If you would need more space, just grab a 2tb nvme for OS and swap the 4tb drive for your games and call it good. Do I regret having the extra 4tb nvme? Not at all.

Just completed a nr200 p build and I put a 4tb NVME as my main and the 2tb as my backup

i had 2x VelociRaptor drives in raid 0 back in the day!!!

The thought of a 250 gb m.2 drive blows my mind.

My dream SSD (that's reasonable) is a 15TB Kioxia datacenter drive, if I had $1200 to blow, that's what I'd buy.

I picked up a 4tb 7000mbs nvme drive for my main drive and it's awesome

If everything you do fits on one drive, I suggest just doing one drive. Even doing multiple partitions can complicate things. Do what you need, not more than you need. If you want to clone your drive or something you'll be happy in the end if you make it more simple. I'd be more likely to have 2 drives than have 2 partitions on one drive. At least with 2 drives you can worry about cloning your C drive, but your secondary drive might be as simple as a copy job to copy that off, or if you reimage your C drive you might be able to leave the other drive alone.

@kennethng9653

7 ай бұрын

Backup is not made easier with a large C drive. For example, if you have a large game library, there's no point backing up all those data you can get back whenever there's network. Making a bootable clone C drive would take a lot longer

@itstheweirdguy

7 ай бұрын

@@kennethng9653 for sure backup is a big job. For some, partitioning can be good. I find it kind of dead ends you with a small C drive it can be a bad thing

Watching on My recalmed i7 4770K. It was My old editing rig, then the kids for a few years.

Hope manufacturer release an 3.5 inch SSD with higher capacity 8TB+ for reasonable price, below US$800. I don't need super speed, I need solid state storage.

I used to have a 4 gigabyte hard drive WAY back then and it was partitioned into two 2gb partitions due to FAT16.

I think anywhere between 1 and 4tb is reasonable. Value scales more or less linearly, and most boards have at least 2-3 slots for future expansion. 8tb, in The other hand, is simply not viable economically and they're also worse (you're better off stacking up multiple 4tb nvme, better both in terms of price and performance), and 500 gb are barely any cheaper than 1tb, so not really viable either unless you are REALLY low on money.

So which are the quality ones, I hear some mention that you should look SSD's with 3D cache or whatever as they are much faster than others who don't have it etc. What brands and brand models should be considered when picking a quality SSD?

@dianaalyssa8726

7 ай бұрын

Cultists Network has a list for nvmes. I also check does it have dram cache when there are sales. Top would say Samsung 990, SK Hynix P41, Solidign P44 Plus (think that is correct name), higher capacities tend to have more endurance, dram cache, sometimes speed idk. I have an SP 2tb gen 4 from a fresh install very fast too, also Phison controller. Nextorage also would be premium, Phison nand controller. Make sure company didn't swap controllers recently etc.

@MasterCorvus

6 ай бұрын

Thank you for recommendation!@@dianaalyssa8726

Tech if you have a 4Tb gen 5 nvme SSD and a 4tb gen 4 nvme SSD, what would you use for the boot drive and what would you use for games? I also have an additional 2 2tb gen4 nvme ssd. Please advise. Thank you.

@Frozoken

6 ай бұрын

gen 4 as the boot drive for sure. Windows only cares about read latency for boot times basically. General tasks are typically like this too but are specifically optimised to try and use as much sequential bandwidth as possible when loading, doubly so for games. Afaik that's just not really something u can do for initialising the system and booting it up on the otherhand so yeah. Gen 5 for games

I have a 2 tb on my ps5 and maybe upgrade next year

The SSD prices make it a better idea. Though I'm still not sure about having 2x2tb or one 4tb.

Should always keep OS on 1 drive then your games on a seperate drive as when windows goes wrong and it will at some point then you would only have the hassle of reinstalling windows without worrying about other programs too , just my opinion so why the need for 4TB OS drive ?

I have a 4tb game drive but on sata. I get terrible lag/stutter if a game is updating or downloading in the background on steam. Not sure if that's normal. Steam is also installed on the game drive.

Is a 4tb with a small partition for Windows a good idea for best of both worlds? I’m still stuck on the old habit to keep “format C:” completely painless if needed

yes, but how do you really feel about Captain Janeway?

In my pc I have 27TB of ssd storage (mixture of nvme and sata) and 16TB of hdd storage (which I just use for media and backup). My internet sucks so I want everything installed all the time.

4tb main and only drive really is a big deal, i had to pay 700 dollar for that last year. you lucky bastard buying 4 tb now.

I have a question I've been having a issue I'm using MSI afterburner to you know set a temperature limit and a power limit on the GPU I set it then I clicked apply then I ran furmark benchmark but the GPU was still in it's default settings it still reached 84° c and 100% fan speed I don't know why this is should I be concerned

Hi my name is Perry I have been watching for a long time and really enjoy the show. I have a Amd 3700x with 32g of Ram on a MSI tomahawk B550 with an MSI 1660ti running into 2 27 1080 inch 75hz monitors running thru the Display ports . It is a good machine for my office and misc file ripping that I do . But I have started playing some games.. Batman Series, Tom Clancey and lately playing fortnight online with my friends and it has been fine. I want to do a unexpensive upgrade and I would like to ask if you would change the GPU or the CPU. I want to spend less the $400.

In America the drives maby cheap but no in the UK I waited until black Friday no difference on Amazon a 1tb nvme ssd is still about £100

@chrissyboy7047

6 ай бұрын

Im not sure what drives youve been looking at or where youve been looking but you can definitely get them cheaper than that in the UK

with how cheap a 500gig boot ssd is i still prefer having a small OS drive and large game stroage drives then you dont have to re download thousands of gigs to get all your games back

That's why I got a 4TB Gen 5 SSD for my new PC build (to be built tomorrow! should've been earlier due to fucking around :/); I plan to use that for 8 or so years anyways with multiple upgrade cycles.

I would like a computer to last 5years, also.

You definitely don't need a two terabyte boot drive if it's just for a boot drive. Yes I would put two terabytes minimum in a new build but most windows installations only use less than 256 GB still. Most people aren't installing apps other than game launchers and maybe a video editing program.

What is that end music 11:20?

If 4tb we're around 150 eur it would be fine but its not quite there yet. Maybe in 1-3 years. 1tb is definitely too small nowadays when big games take up 100-200gb.

@chrissyboy7047

6 ай бұрын

I hadnt realised how much the prices had increased again recently. I was going to comment and say they were already around that price. Lol. I picked up a crucial p3 plus 4tb from Amazon in September for only £165. The same drive is now around £245

my 240gb samsung evo m.2 or whatever it is boot drive still going strong from 2019 - I remember 25 years ago too and i think im such an old dog if i had a 4tb boot drive....3.75tb of it would forever just remain empty anyway hahahaha a stand alone boot drive is just too ground in to my brain

I don't store data on my OS drive, so 4TB is absurd for me.

I think having both your OS and games running on the same m.2 is overkill. You forget that they cann get hot and some people do other stuff with their pc like 3d modeling and video editing. Wouldn't that be too much stress for 1 drive to handle?

@Sevicify

6 ай бұрын

It's not, the OS isn't always sitting there constantly accessing the drive as it depends upon the needs of the processes are running on the system in regards to both user applications and background services & tasks. By controlling what other processes are running while performing the primary task, like gaming or media editing, you can greatly minimise their impact on the drive by both reducing their need to access files and the need for the OS to hit the page file due to having more free memory for the primary task to use (having enough physical RAM is also important here).

Can someone explain to me why you would use a 4tb nvme when u can only get 2tb storage on any boot drive with windows anything am missing? Personally I just use the 2tb boot drive and have (2) 4 TB nvme gen 3 and 4 and like a bunch of hdd for long term storage

@TechDeals

6 ай бұрын

You are mistaken on the boot drive size, you absolutely can have a 4TB or 8TB boot drive on Windows.

2tb nvme C boot drive, 4Tb second nvme ssd D drive would be enough for 99.9% people. + you can add more Satas if needed

I've still 250gb Samsung 970 evo for OS. No games, no video recording nothing inside this just os game client like steam, origin, uplay, adobe premier and MSI afterburner etc like this kind of stuff & believe me its utilizing only 35-40% of its total volume rest is free space 😂

Tech...we know that if there is a limit, you always go for the upper limit...

I have 2tb 990 pro can't I just add another 2tb down the line If I need it

@roqeyt3566

7 ай бұрын

Oh you can But you'd have to clean your OS more often and when games become 500gb+, you'll most likely be unable to fit fewer games. Big drives make the puzzle easier. 4 250gb drives can fit fewer large games than a single 1tb drive It's possible to stick to 2tb and it wouldn't be a mistake, but 4tb is forward looking

@Animelove333

7 ай бұрын

@@roqeyt3566 I see

@sicmike2g

7 ай бұрын

@@roqeyt3566 more storage = more junk.

@NipplesOfDestiny

7 ай бұрын

run it in raid 0

@Animelove333

7 ай бұрын

​@@NipplesOfDestiny I have a question I've been having a issue I'm using MSI afterburner to you know set a temperature limit and a power limit on the GPU I set it then I clicked apply then I ran furmark benchmark but the GPU was still in it's default settingsit's still reached 84° c and 100% fan speed I don't know why this is should I be concerned

My 4tb nvme has been a joy, i use it as a games only drive and having not to worry about speed or storage is lovely. Much like RAM, put more in than you think you need and you never have to worry 😊

will 16TB fit on a NVME drive?

@auntiepha8343

6 ай бұрын

Yeah they exist but 8 TB and 16 TB NVME are still super expensive.

@AugustusMcMillan

6 ай бұрын

@@auntiepha8343 okay. thanks. it's amazing how they're able to shrink technology over the years, isn't it?

@auntiepha8343

6 ай бұрын

@@AugustusMcMillan 👍No problem, yeah it is amazing watching technology progress in real time.

512 boot drive+ 2-4tb games drive is the way to go.

@Dangerman-zg3ui

6 ай бұрын

I'd love to see a 256-512GB Optane style drive for OSes. Would be insane for general browsing and usage.

@kristo2212

6 ай бұрын

Yea best is 512gb-1tb gen5 boot drive + 2tb-4tb gen4 game drive

Mr. Tech Deals: "I'm waiting for Zen 6 to come, so that I can finally build the best Zen 5 PC that it could ever be". Meanwhile, AMD: "We still have a lot of AM4 chips in excess, we will make them X3D so that people will buy them in droves".

What a shame that back then your whole PC included a top tier graphics card for 2000 and now, if you want Nvidia, 2k is just for the GPU

first 😁

Why is KZread CONSTANTLY harassing me to renew my membership with you????????? I like your videos but supporting beyond watch time and "likes" is all that's in the cards right now.

Mine is way bigger