Elixir for gen z lets goooooooooooooooooo

@user72974

2 ай бұрын

Erlang for boomers, Elixir for millennials, and Gleam for Gen Z? Iunno aboot that. I've never seen those three groups be this friendly to each other. :P

@speedstyle.

2 ай бұрын

Rust for Beam lol

@BinaryReader

2 ай бұрын

@@user72974You missed Gen X

@ckpioo

2 ай бұрын

​@@BinaryReaderthat's the middle child no one cares abt

@EightNineOne

2 ай бұрын

@@BinaryReader who?

So stoked about Gleam: - Simple like go (small surface area) - Can leverage Elixir and Erlang tools - Scalable and fault tolerant (BEAM) - Type-safe and functional - Familiar to rust users (option/result and pattern matching) - `use` as a solution to callback hell (instead of async/await function coloring)

@GreatTaiwan

2 ай бұрын

Why is it scalable and fault tolerant ?

@landonyarrington7979

2 ай бұрын

@@GreatTaiwanLook into Erlang/BEAM

@prcvl

2 ай бұрын

@@GreatTaiwanBEAM is built for that, gleam doesnt do much extra for scalability

@mariogutierrez4989

2 ай бұрын

The one hesitation I have is a 53 stars postgres beam package. Is there a more proven package?

@yuchunc

2 ай бұрын

@@GreatTaiwan I runs the Taiwan local elixir meetup, if you are curious, come and join us and find out. :)

functional programming, algebraic data types, and web frameworks using the elm architecture... this will be fun to try

@someguyO2W

2 ай бұрын

I used elm once in a production app. Absolutely loved it. Someone came in 3 years later and replaced it because they could not be bothered to learn it.

@Lucs-ku5cb

2 ай бұрын

Iced is a GUI Rust library that uses the elm architecture

I literally said "I think this is my dream language" when I first saw gleam! I'm glad it's resonating with other people too!

@OnFireByte

2 ай бұрын

Functional language with simple C-style syntax, running on BEAM, statically typed, and cool mascot. Literally cant ask more than that!

I can already see job posts: 11 years of experience in this language for junior roles

@TerriTerriHotSauce

2 ай бұрын

Lmao

@azizsafudin

2 ай бұрын

That wouldn’t be too crazy as I assume Erlang experience translates.

@drprdcts

2 ай бұрын

Tech leads speed running the making of insane interview questions for Gleam

louis, the gleam creator, is also extremely awesome and runs a great discord server

@0e0

2 ай бұрын

awesome human

Two counters reset in 24h, jeez

@t3dotgg

2 ай бұрын

lmfao

@nmotschidontwannagivemyrea8932

2 ай бұрын

Mind saying what the counters are counting, for someone who isn't in on the joke?

@t3dotgg

2 ай бұрын

@@nmotschidontwannagivemyrea8932 “X days since a new JS framework” and “X days since a new programming language”

@nmotschidontwannagivemyrea8932

2 ай бұрын

@@t3dotgg Lol ty

@huge_letters

2 ай бұрын

What's the new JS framework? Tanstack Start? It was a few days ago. There's a new one?

No function overloading is most likely a compromise for good type inference

@ernesto8738

2 ай бұрын

yeah it's this, and as an elixir guy idk if i can manage. i *love* overloading arguments like that, i fucking *love* my left justification, i *hate* nesting

@Papageno123

2 ай бұрын

Yeah, compromise between having a simple language and full HM inference. Type classes are a big jump in complexity

@lpil

2 ай бұрын

Yup that’s it

@tonyb3123

2 ай бұрын

Good type inference _and_ function captures. Function overloading makes alot of more valuable features much harder to implement

@nyahhbinghi

2 ай бұрын

@@lpil down the road - allow the user to decide - method overloading is super convenient - if they want inference in their callbacks etc, then they won't overload. I do realize that overloading usually a burden to implement, so save it for later, but it's convenient for users

Lol, i literally started trying gleam today and im loving it, now theo uploads a video about it. Life is good

@studiousllama4776

2 ай бұрын

Same! It's awesome 😍

I've been writing a lot of go lately but this feels like what i was actually looking for

I have tried to stop me for quite a while but today is the day i can't anymore.. Please stop making these faces on your thumbnails, they never match how you actually respond to the video.

The language looks very promising! It really shows that there was a lot of thought put into the structure and has learned from what worked best and did not work from the other programming languages such as Elixir, JavaScript, Go, Python, etc.

Really fascinating language, I'm all for ML like languages that place a decent emphasis on static type-safe systems. I wish more languages / tools existed like this for building highly dynamic client-side applications!

Ahh thank you Theo!!!

Amazing, takes all the features I love of Rust and simplifies it by trading off the fine grained memory layout / control which is fine for many software use cases. Literally been thinking of creating a language like this, I will definitively try and contribute to this! Nice video!

Super pumped to get back into Gleam now it’s hit 1.0. Been following it for years. It’s been a long road, and Louis and the team has iterated and tried out a lot of things, threw out a bunch of stuff that didn’t fit quite right, and ended up in a really nice sweet spot. Elixir is Erlang but better. Gleam could well be Elixir but better.

@isenewotheophilus6485

2 ай бұрын

I'm just finding out what it is, i never knew they've been working on it

@jsonkody

2 ай бұрын

It does not seem to be better than Elixir. Its just different.

Woohoo! I'm an Erlang programmer and I love seeing new BEAM languages. Been following Gleam since the first announcements and I'm excited for 1.0.0

Doesn't Mojo also allow emojis in variables? Or is it just the file extention that is the fire emoji?

Discord was also built on the Erlang VM, and last time I checked, they were handling a billion (literally) daily messages.

Gleam looks pretty awesome! It's honestly really funny to see you go through the playground and be super excited about all these language features like type inference, blocks, and pattern matching. I'm already used to all these features from Rust! Gleam seems very similar to Rust overall but the garbage collection and easy JS transpile are finessed as fuck.

@SeanLazer

2 ай бұрын

I think "rust but trade a bit of performance for some ease of use" is something a lot of people want. Arguably it's why Go is so popular but go is lacking some niceties from Rust. Rust's type system and error handling are amazing but I don't want to think about lifetimes, and its async situation is tricky. Worth it if you need the Perf, but most of the time I don't

@alphabitserial

2 ай бұрын

@@SeanLazerI agree that it's desirable to have all these great things in a GC language! I do write in Rust and I usually never have to think about lifetimes. 😄 That mostly comes up if you're writing libraries for others to use, especially if your library is full of generics or is highly concurrent. Me, I'm just writing application code. I use Rust because its type system makes modeling logical problems so much easier. Sometimes I'm working on a problem that has to iterate over hundreds of thousands of files and pull data out of them, or reformat them, etc. and I can use as much .clone() etc as I want!

@brod515

2 ай бұрын

@@SeanLazer tricky is an understatement. it's a mess. I use rest but I think people tend to pretend it's performance is worth all it's complexity. you have to remember that to even get that performance really* you have to write some complex rust. rust compile time is also quite horrendous. I initially like rust but honestly it's development time is quite stagnating

I haven't read a lot of docs, but this is, by far, the most cleverly designed one I've read so far.

Character is too cute to ignore

That was a nice video, very well meaning and positive. Love it!

The thing I am most curious about is what would happen to Gleam once Elixir's static types system is ready for production. The biggest thing about Gleam is its static typing. Other than that, the language is either very similar to Elixir, or worse in some cases (no function overloading). I guess being able to run on Javascript runtimes might be a benefit, but at that point aren't you better off just using typescript instead?

@dandogamer

2 ай бұрын

In systems where you have elixir/gleam on the backend being able to compile to TS/JS is useful as you dont have to go through hoops to call your function in a different lang

@Voidstroyer

2 ай бұрын

@@dandogamer My question is, why would you ever want to compile to JS in the first place? If it is server side, you might as well keep it in the BEAM world. If it is frontend based, Elixir (Phoenix actually) already allows you to just write JS/TS directly.

@araozu

2 ай бұрын

​@@VoidstroyerThe same reason everything is JS nowadays: you don't have to learn a different language, you can reuse type definitions, validation between back/frontend

@araozu

2 ай бұрын

Also, another thing they have is syntax (i'm not sure about semantics), i'd say it's familiar to Rust/Zig/Go/JS devs, and maybe even C/C++/Java, whereas elixir is similar to Ruby, and erlang is similar to itself. To existing erlang/elixir devs that probably means nothing, but in a world where people don't even want to leave JS for another C-like lang, familiarity is a good way to attract people to the ecosystem. For one, I'll be trying gleam in some toy projects or AoC. I've tried elixir, but the ruby syntax which i'm not familiar with is a deterrent. And erlang is erlang.

@Voidstroyer

2 ай бұрын

@@araozu I understand the argument of "keeping it in the same language" but that is also one of the biggest problems with web dev nowadays. People using JS for everything. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. To be honest, if you are already really adept at writing JS, learning a different backend language such as Go (or any OOP language) is so trivial. At this point it is just stuborness of JS devs to not want to use a different language for the backend. I didn't list elixir because I did have some issues getting used to Functional programming. But given some time it is really not an issue. I like Elixir & Phoenix because it allows you to use most of Elixir for your webapp, and if you need heavy client side stuff you can just write JS directly. It enables you to use "the right tool for the job". And since I don't see JS devs leaving it all behind for Gleam, I also don't see Gleam getting that much adoption. But hey, I could be completely wrong. But I do believe that once Elixir gets its static type system ready, it is definitely going to negatively impact Gleam.

I saw your video on the vue having vapor, subscribed to your channel now

this is such a great project

Who cares about type safety? The logo is nice, I'M IN

that literately looks like the solidjs tutorial

will this be friendly to newer programmers? i only know python but am looking to branch out and am definitely interested in this

@senzmaki4890

2 ай бұрын

is your full name Brendan Remmy

@studiousllama4776

2 ай бұрын

Yes, that is one of the goals. The standard library hasn't reached version 1.0 yet, so I would maybe wait until that happens

@dandogamer

2 ай бұрын

It's a friendly language and the people are a lovely bunch on the discord :)

@DubiousNachos

2 ай бұрын

It's a functional language, so some things might throw you for a loop at first (like there not being loops or throwing exceptions), but it's probably the most approachable form of the paradigm right now Once you learn functional programming (FP) through Gleam, you'll be able to transfer that to other functional languages, too

I too didn't like implicit returns when I first saw then in Ruby many moons ago. Wasn't until Rust that their value really clicked for me, and all the elegant expression block syntax they enable.

listening :) - unicode support allows 🔥in code in js, ruby etc - method chaining of map reduce and filter in js is almost pipes :)

I am not sure about this one. What is its strength? Seems like there are better languages around for various use cases, that do it better in those situations (eg Rust) The sales pitch sounds nice but overall it still is somewhat in an uncanny valley. Doesn’t even have OTP (and iirc won’t ever fully get there?) I would rather use Elixir and NIFs.

This is a cool project but honestly I don't think it's at the point where I would want to abandon elixir for it. It might be useful to work with both languages, but I've been doing a lot of rust plus elixir work recently (they pair so well together), and I just don't see where gleam fits into all of that. It's definitely a cool language and it will bring more people into the ecosystem which is nice, I plan to dive into it to see what the 1.0 releases really like. Probably the most contentious issue I have with the language is the fact that OTP is not included automatically, and I have to wonder if that has something to do with the multiple back ends that they provide. That and I also wish that it had modular level pattern matching/function overloading like erlang or elixir. I knew that they wouldn't have it because they weren't including the argument amount for each function, which is kind of important if you going to do function overloading in that way. It's easily run my favorite features of elixir / erlang. Edit: I spent some time writing a distributed cache system in gleam. It's the kind of project that is somewhat trivial in elixir if you leverage otp. I found that gleam had a lot of really rough edges especially when it came to interop. The ETS library is deprecated, it's from 0.23 or something of the language and so I had to write my own wrappers. It was relatively easy to do this but I noticed that it was very easy to ignore the static type system by using generics and dynamic types (makes sense given that elixir / erlang are dynamic). One of the reasons why I really like using rust with elixir is because of rust's result and option monads, they make it easy to do error handling on the elixir side by simply passing atoms back to the system which minimizes the downside of using NIFs. On the other hand, when you are wrapping elixir with gleam, because gleam is the language that has results, you kind of have to work around the potential to get a nil or error atom. It definitely works but it's not as intuitive. I also really don't like the actor abstraction, it's just not as intuitive as genserver. I basically ended up writing my own wrapper around genserver. It's definitely rough to try to implement Genserver without function overloading but I was able to make my own pattern within the genserver behavior by passing calls, cast, and infos off to an elixir function. I was able to build a basic supervision tree and implement most of the stuff that I wanted to create, but it did take me a lot more time than it would have taken in elixir because I had to write all of these wrappers. That being said, if the community starts to build more libraries, I don't think this should be as much of a problem in the future. It just kind of sucks that a lot of the OTP functionality hasn't been exposed yet and so you kind of have to go and get it yourself if you want it. It also really doesn't play well with static typing, which is probably why they are trying to build a set-based type system in elixir.

finally got it to work on my intel mac with this version 1. I love the syntax and especially the typing.

I’ve gotten curious at some point and wrote a typesafe pipeline library for TS. Turns out, it doesn’t solve much, as unlike Elixir, the whole stdlib isn’t designed in a way that puts first argument first, meaning, even if you go crazy with syntax sugar, it still doesnmt feel right and looks messy. Add async/await to it and its impossible to debug and stack traces are useless 😢

@magnusred2945

2 ай бұрын

Effect-ts

I'm happy too. My favourite language before I learnt about Erlang/Elixir was Prolog 😂

What can you build with Gleam?

Theo face when he saw the pipes, I feel ya brother.

20:01 Technically, Rust allows using emojis as variable names as well but you'll be getting warnings.

go still better with a broader use case but this has a cooler type system and js runtime support

The thing about pipes. It's very awkward to type "|>" on a non ANSI-keyboard layout. Programming languages are definitely made for American and British layouts, but the rest of the world already have to wrangle semicolon, and curly brackets being hidden behind modifier keys.

@anon_y_mousse

2 ай бұрын

I feel that way about certain characters too, and I've got a US keyboard. Here we call () parentheses or parens, {} braces and [] brackets. I prefer brackets for most things because I don't have to hit shift to type them, but I still use braces often in writing code because it just makes sense. However, I did toy with the idea of an all bracket version of LISP. It looked weird, but I think people could get used to it.

@danvilela

2 ай бұрын

Also is really repetitive str |> String.reverse |> String.split Way better just str.reverse.split 🤷🏻‍♂️

@1Caja

Ай бұрын

I bought a keyboard with ansi layout 3 years ago and put the lost keys (ä,ü,ö,ß) on another layer that I trigger with caps (press -> esc, hold -> layer). Works beautifully. I use keyd on linux and on windows you can use their ancient keyboard layout creator to use altGr key instead of capslock. If I were to use Gleam I would just put |> on that layer and it would become perfectly ergonomic. Still need to look into ZMK/QMK to see if it's possible to have everything on the keyboard itself. I think it pays to invest a bit of time or money into ones tools.

Fly is a really really awesome project, it needs more love tbh

Haskell also supports unicode in variable names, but I think the parser might treat emoji as operators unless you parenthesize them.

High Level rust, lets gooooooooo!!!!!!

@trejohnson7677

2 ай бұрын

this is nothing close to the binary abomination that is rust lol.

@Goose____

2 ай бұрын

so a bad rust!

@potatomaaan1757

2 ай бұрын

​@@trejohnson7677 what is a "binary abomination" supposed to be?

@trejohnson7677

2 ай бұрын

@@potatomaaan1757 run xxd or some shit guy.

i believe mojo also has emoji support!

Gotta agree, this looks really neat and has me looking over the fence...

I think it is reasonable to prefer the implicit returns for the block expressions. So I could understand if explicit return wasn't considered in favor of implicit, so there is only one way to return values.🤔

lol the whole lsp was released as a binary, Theo. It’s been a neovim package since before v1.

Omg you always on hype. When you do your job?

Just got to the strings part of the tutorial, and I'm not too stoked at how an actual newline in the code translates to a " " in the string. Sometimes I add whitespace and newlines to make the code cleaner, but I always expect newlines in the string to be explicit with or or something similar.

BTW, as a brit, £ is not a euro, it's a pound. € is a euro. 👍

What you think of Roc lang?

I sometimes miss the “do { }” syntax for variable assignments in JS…I probably have some code still running it via Babel somewhere.

I predict that pretty soon we'll see new programming languages and libraries released alongside LLM AIs to help developers convert their existing code bases and reduce onboarding

Gleam is a very exciting language for BEAM, but just keep in mind that OTP is the true engine behind what makes coding on BEAM unique, and the Gleam standard library currently wraps very little of OTP. This is not a criticism, I'm sure it will be easier to make progress on this with a stable language, and the language author loves the runtime.

I'm such a huge fan of elixir, and gleam feels like elixir 2.0 super excited about it

I think Mojo also allows emojis as variable names

You and prime spilling the beans smh. Now I gotta fight with everyone else for the gleam jobs 😂

@6:33 - I believe that python was the first that pushed for homogeneous code formatting. I mean, indentation is part of the syntax. And there is also PEP 8 since 2001

Theo, I appreciate your video. I remember I gave Prisma a try because of one of your videos. But you get too excited sometimes, I don't want to make the same Prisma mistake with Gleam, by jumping on it. I'll wait a little, just like I should have done with Prisma.

@t3dotgg

2 ай бұрын

Prisma is fine, better than anything that came before it, and easy to move off of with tools like Drizzle and Kysely. The mindset it teaches is the value. I'm sorry if you feel burned by adopting it early since we've collectively "moved away". There's a significant gap between my excitement for Gleam and my production use and endorsement of Prisma. Prisma was a tool I built multiple businesses with, and have had a great experience working with at scale. Gleam is a brand new language I'm excited about. I'm not endorsing it. I'm not telling people to go rewrite their stuff in it. I'm just excited. If you can't see the difference between my excitement and my endorsements, might be best to avoid my videos for awhile.

@AngelEduardoLopezZambrano

2 ай бұрын

​@@t3dotgg Thank you for responding to my comment. Based on your response, I wish you hadn't taken it like an attack on what you do. I apologize if my comment came off like a complaint because it wasn't. To be honest with you, thanks to the issues I had with Prisma, I became a drizzle advocate and a huge contributor to the codebase. Before I used prisma I didn't use any "type-safe" library, just mysql2, node-pg and the like. I admire you as a developer and tend to pay attention to your takes because they make me think in a possibly different way. Hopefully next time I comment on one of your videos I'll express myself in a more positive way.

@danvilela

2 ай бұрын

@@AngelEduardoLopezZambranoid just stop watching his videos 😂

Gleam creator's youtube channel: www.youtube.com/@lpil

Sounds like you'd definitely like Julia. It can use emojis as variables, has block context scoping, implicit _or_ explicit returns, _and_ function overloding is the whole basis of the langauge. Also compiles down to LLVM, so it is as fast at Rust.

20:00 PHP also allows emoji variables, to add to your list 😛

It's so funny how Theo keeps praising features that are also part of Rust, while also hating on Rust 😅

Ruby also allows emoji variables!

Obligatory nitpick : "75k Euros" while looking at British Pounds (and no it didn't change with brexit)

16:25 onward looks almost identical to Rust. They even followed Rust in rejecting function overloading antipattern. Just last week I was talking with a friend the best replacement for the go niche would be simplified Rust with a garbage collector with the good Rust type-system. I just wish it had traits. Pipes look like a useless gimmick to me, especially when you have to use that awkward _

@RegrinderAlert

2 ай бұрын

How are pipes a gimmick? Chaining function calls is a basic necessity.

wait is this like an erlang framework?

Raku also supports unicode variable names.

It's sad that it doesn't try to compete Go's async/multithreading standards with goroutines. Like, where does gleam stand now in this whole "Production languages" list from C++, Rust to Typescript, Python to Go being in the middle? I'm placing it after Go (in terms of not covering this humongous market) of software engineers wanting languages that are simple but also very performant. And Gleam does not seem to touch that market as much as Go does. It just seems to "Gleam" .... i don't know who will use it instead of Go, and why.

@andreilucasgoncalves1416

2 ай бұрын

They seem to prefer elixir concurrent model and more functional style while go is more procedural Go is pretty good, but in my opinion is not the favorite of many devs because of err != nil and not having a strict null checker This language seems to have strict null checker like rust which reduces drastically bugs caused by skill issue They said that the language does not have null and that I doubt, they probably have null with another name

@cherubin7th

2 ай бұрын

Go's concurrency system is unsound and Gleam prefers to use an actually good concurrency system. It looks like Go but good.

I don't underestand why languages, especially new ones, don't have named imports, like in JavaScript. That's the thing I appreciate the most about JavaScript. It's such an easy win, but of the languages I know only Python and Zig do that.

@GreatTaiwan

2 ай бұрын

Python is older than JS So why they don’t have it like Python Just saying

@Rudxain

2 ай бұрын

WDYM? Rust doesn't have named imports?

@genericuser1546

2 ай бұрын

gleam does have named imports, you use the `as` keyword (if you know rust, it's just how rust does it) so `import gleam/string as str` or a more complex example `import gleam/string.{reverse as rev, append as app}`

@lpil

2 ай бұрын

Gleam does have named imports

semi-colon for returns would be hilarious

Great to know, Your content has been so helpful, As far as this Glean, I like it, it’s sweet, at the end of the day is this just like another Typescript ? I’m coming up with something soon :)

C/C++ can use Emojis as Variable names if you use the right encoding or punycode with the preprocessor

The language mascot sold me lol

The main reason to use TS/JS is having the ability to not switch languages if you write frontend / complex web apps. I do not see this advantage challanged, where are many good backend languages out where -> but they are all not good enough if you want to do frontend.

@007arek

2 ай бұрын

Kotlin

@cherubin7th

2 ай бұрын

You can frontend in Rust :P

@t3dotgg its not implicit returns :) you’ve forgotten that elixir functions always have only a single return statement, so you can’t put them anywhere else - meaning thay are always explicit

Js can do multithreading when using the event loop

If whisp gets a feature like Phoenix's LiveView I'm going all in.

Interesting!

Finally a Type Safe Elixir!!! I am 100% on board. Sign me up!

Been watching gleam, got confused sometimes with the slots _ as it's a small thing that changes the behaviour quite a lot

It's really funny to me just how much Theo hates Rust

Common Lisp supports emojis as variable names.

@vinapocalypse

3 күн бұрын

I keep seeing all these new languages coming out but they keep trying to approach but falling short of CL or even Clojure. The Pipelines syntax is just the threading macro from Clojure, which is available as a macro in Common Lisp too (cl-arrows). Programmers are putting themselves through so much pain and effort just to avoid a few extra parentheses and prefix notation

readable erlang? nooice

21:31 - can't you just do open/close curly brackets to arbitrarily define a new scope?

Theo, aka the JS hype guy

Just what we need: Another language. Hopefully this will be followed by another javascript framework.

Hype

Wow. I almost dismissed Gleam because of its name and icon. I know that's a bad heuristic, but you gotta prioritize where to put your attention, you know. But boy am I glad that I watched this video. Gleam looks awesome. The design and syntax just makes me want to use it.

I thought you just switched back to Elixir?? Prime already did a video on Gleam.

Swift mentioned!

Pipes has made its way to js through EffectTS library.

Even though it's still in private beta, Jai is still my dream/favorite language. It was initially made for making video games, so it's made to be performant, both in the code being fast, and the compiler being fast, but it's also useful for a lot of other use cases to, as it's also a replacement for C/C++

As someone really familiar with Rust, I can't help but laugh a little when you point at Rust features and say they're really nice ergonomics. Aside from the pipe operator (which is excellent don't get me wrong!) this entire demo read identically to Rust code for me. Regardless, very cool to see development in the language space. JS, TS, C++, etc. need to get into gear. They're rapidly being outpaced by much nicer languages to work in.

@defalur

2 ай бұрын

The main difference is that Gleam is a smaller language, thus making it easier to learn. Having all of the features and more is not always a good thing. I like rust but it sometimes feels like C++ if C++ was invented 10 years ago (I mean in the large amount of features and the general complexity of the language)

@zactron1997

2 ай бұрын

@@defalur That definitely is the biggest distinction in philosophy between the two languages. Having said that, Gleam seems to lean more heavily into custom operators like >. for int vs float disambiguation. While that does make it easier to infer the type signatures for things like functions, it does also remove the possibility of a library defining types which also use those operators. Aside from that, it looks like you can just use Gleam code in Rust with only minor changes to the semantics. Where Rust definitely is bigger is in concepts like Async, traits, and generics. I completely agree these things do add complexity to Rust, and there are examples of languages that don't need them (Go and C being the biggest examples). An important distinction in my mind tho is that Rust doesn't have bloat in things that you shouldn't use. While there exists many different Async environments and strategies, none of them are wrong. Whereas in C++ and C, there are definitely wrong things you can reach for (e.g., non-owning pointers, etc.) One thing I find interesting is Gleam, being a more functional language, completely prohibits mutability. That's definitely a viable strategy, but is certainly more complex and restrictive for certain algorithms than Rust's borrow checker, a frequent pain point for new adopters.

@lucass8119

2 ай бұрын

@@zactron1997 I disagree - C definitely needs traits, generics, or something of the sort. Relying on macros and void * is awful. C might be "simple". But because it is so simple it creates complex code. Basic paradigms have to be implemented in round-about ways... which is why C++ was invented in the first place. I think Go, to a lesser extent now, suffers that same problem.

@zactron1997

2 ай бұрын

@@lucass8119 personally, I agree. I think Go and C are too simplistic for the kind of complex problems an average programmer is expected to work with. Go mostly avoids this problem by having such an exhaustive standard library, but it still has issues. That's why I personally think Rust is a better bet on future software, since it accepts that some concepts just are complex, and is attempting to meet that complexity head on.

I think it's not "implicit return". Function should return something and there is no null in Gleam. It's just what it is.

Awesome!!!

no emojis for variable names, thats good.

Nim supports emojis as variable names as well

This is a really sneaky way to move Rust developers one step closer to Haskell. I love it.

@porcupinetree-bb3zg

2 ай бұрын

most of us are happy and content with rust, no reason to use this. all languages are simple when you get comfortable with them.

@throwaway3227

2 ай бұрын

@@porcupinetree-bb3zg Try doing type specialization while saying that.