The first man was not looking for truth. He was looking to be right.

@donaldsanders4589

8 жыл бұрын

well said

@Brucev7

7 жыл бұрын

Proverbs 29:23 One's pride will bring him low, but he who is lowly in spirit will obtain honor

@Gericho49

7 жыл бұрын

"Some people believe whatever they want, not on the basis of evidence but what they find attractive" Blasé Pascal. And there is something very attractive about a life without ultimate responsibility where our choices have no more consequences than their immediate effect. As philosopher Jean Paul Sartre said, "If god exists I am not free. Since I am free, therefore god does not exist." Great circular logic !!

@3in1god

5 жыл бұрын

james grosso yes I agree.

@GraftedOliveBranch

4 жыл бұрын

Brucev7 : Proverbs 18:2 - "A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion"

That first guy.... so disrespectful. Props to you cliff for keeping your composure. I'm not sure I could have done the same!

@jacobleaver2450

8 жыл бұрын

Nah man the guy was being quite arrogant. I have seen worse. But I don't understand how you cant see by the guys attitude that he is being "snooty".

@fishjj76

Жыл бұрын

He wasn't disrespectful. Cliff did not want to answer his questions and admit his God is immoral.

@JohnjOcampo

10 ай бұрын

​@@fishjj76 God is just, imagine blaming the actions of humans onto our creator.

@aaronblack6590

8 ай бұрын

@@fishjj76imagine watching this and siding with that guy 😂😂😂 He was obviously not there to learn or debate, but try to corner him. It was dishonest and shifty

@davidwebbbourne5604

4 ай бұрын

@@fishjj76 Cliff answered him many many times including the example of Onesimus - but your ears were closed and your heart won’t open. It is not doubt that causes people not to see the truth (we all have doubts) but your unbelief that prevents you to see the truth.

"Old Testament cruelty" is one of favorite topics atheists often bring up and Cliff answered it well.

@randomreviews1461

Жыл бұрын

That was pretty brilliant. He explained it well and I think it makes sense. I think if you look at our history we have evolved in stages. IMO humans as a whole cannot handle a major drastic change.

@davidplummer2619

Жыл бұрын

As I like to put it, looked at from the POV of well-heeled Westerners living cushy lives at elite institutions, the OT often looks rough and even cruel. But compare ancient Israel to the cultures and civilizations around them and it quickly becomes clear that they were on the cutting edge of civil rights progress.

For the most part, the majority of these people ask these "gotcha" questions, but as soon as Cliff answers their questions, they just move on to the next question or just interrupt him. There's no acknowledgement, processing, or seeming acceptance of what Cliff just lays on them. It doesn't seem they come to the table seeking truth as much as they are trying just to prove Cliff wrong.

@Gericho49

7 жыл бұрын

Sceptics (or are they just cynics) who base their atheism on a Scripture they neither understand nor believe a word of, are being very naïve, if not dishonest. As Blasé Pascal said "Some people believe whatever they want. Not on the basis of evidence but what they find attractive" . And there is something very attractive about a life without ultimate responsibility where our choices have no more consequences than their immediate effect. As philosopher Jean Paul Sartre profoundly retorted, "If god exists I am not free. Since I am free, therefore god does not exist." Great circular logic !!

@TheBeardedSandman

3 жыл бұрын

I was a missionary for the LDS church from 2006-2009. People did the same thing to me every day. They didn't want answers, they just wanted to catch us with "gotcha" questions. It takes a lot of patience to deal with people who think they're wise but aren't really interested in your opinion.

@westloves

2 жыл бұрын

Yah, I admire Cliff in this way, and I strive to be knowledgeable like him.

@atheliaecheverria7576

2 жыл бұрын

🎯

@taramckinley7585

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, I find it singularly irritating. Not only are they asking " gotcha" questions just because they want to make you look stupid to everyone there, they are insulting, rude, and truly hate you ONLY because they dislike your religious beliefs.

Mr. Cliffe, sir you have a great deal of patience...its admirable...

@thelthrythquezada8397

Жыл бұрын

I read Mr. Coffee, I had to double take there

This guy at the beginning just shows you how people act like they have questions about things in the bible but don't really want answers to them. They just want to use it to attack the Bible

@adolfsackey8297

8 жыл бұрын

+matt johnson Exactly. They got no questions. They just don't like the bible and are desperate to find a way to reject it.

@selenejohn-baptiste4545

8 жыл бұрын

Well said....

@Gericho49

7 жыл бұрын

People who base their atheism on a Scripture they neither understand nor believe a word of, are being very naïve, if not dishonest. As Blasé Pascal said "Some people believe whatever they want. Not on the basis of evidence but what they find attractive" . And there is something very attractive about a life without ultimate responsibility where our choices have no more consequences than their immediate effect. As philosopher Jean Paul Sartre profoundly retorted, "If god exists I am not free. Since I am free, therefore god does not exist." Great circular logic !!

@anchorinthestormministries

3 жыл бұрын

amen very true many just want to find fault with the bible as if they can. its why secrets be known to the simple and mysteries hidden from the wise of the world.

@user-cu3xn4xj3i

3 жыл бұрын

That is true! I've seen videos where so called athiest just want to taunt and attack us believers and the Bible. But, I think the man was trying to ask Cliffe if he would be obedient to God like Abraham if God asked him to sacrifice his son.

cliffs patience is sooooooo strong

Just a note about that first man's question concerning the stoning of an unruly child. Dennis Prager, a Jewish scholar and political commentator, referred to this passage recently and he said something like this: because of this passage, which made parents expose their unruly child to the community (to be stoned), this actually prevented the killing of children because now they would have to air their dirty family laundry for all the community to see; you could not kill your child in private. And no one wanted to have that kind of public shame. So, you see, there is more to a command than would first appear to us in our superficial reading. Context - textual and social - are very important to understand much of the Bible. People making judgments on the Bible in their smugness and pride often miss these insights.

@delialol1841

3 жыл бұрын

Wow where can i learn more of these ?

Cliff is one dopest Apologist I’ve ever heard in my life

@davidgooley8940

2 жыл бұрын

He pastors a church in Connecticut if you ever wanted to meet him.

nicely done Cliff! bravo for not letting that guy get to you.

The talk Cliff gives at the end of this video (starting at 20:20) is one of the best summaries of the Gospel I have ever heard. Truly a great explanation of why we are self-centered, what it results in, and what Christ offers us instead. Thank you.

There is a difference between searching for answers and searching for question. This is apparent by the first man's questions, then him interrupting the answers.

Praise the Lord for raising up Cliffe. I love that you are being an ambassador for our faith and upholding Jesus' teachings. I've learnt much from you on how to answering hard questions. May God continue to bless you to walk in His way and be victorious. Deut 28:7.

The first guy is like a typical university teacher...slow and muddled logical thinking

Anybody else get happy from that 1st guy leaving the mic while Cliff was talking @14:24? That was such a JOY to watch.

my saturday night just got so much better!

13:09 - 13:20 is one of the most eye opening things i've heard

That first guy made me cringe

That guy in the first video is exactly what the people did to test jesus. This is in the bible of our laws....what is your response Jesus? wow amazing how the bible can reflect so much on each of us.

God was leading a people out of a culture they knew for hundreds of years. It wasn't going to happen overnight.

thank you Cliffe, I've once more understood the true state of my sinful heart - how selfish i've been - by listening to the last part of your message. I believe God helped me to understand what I've not understood through your message. Thank you so much for your walk with Christ.

14:04 the best response to trolling ever

This man can destroy the amazing atheist

I wouldn't say God limits his power but limits His involvement. God bless you and your son Cliffe!

Excellent answers to difficult questions.

I always wait patiently for these videos! Thank you, God bless.

this guy walked up like he was gona battle the final boss in a final fantasy game

You cannot argue morality if you do not believe in God.

Who knew Reddit was a person?

@loganhurley4764

2 ай бұрын

Crazy that this was even a meme 8 years ago

@xensuko

2 ай бұрын

@@loganhurley4764lol ikr

The mocker at the beginning, I wish Cliffe had asked him about his ultimate truth, but he did run away, back to his self appointed superiority.

Man! All I can say is that you cannot watch this and not be moved with the truth and knowledge of Cliffe. I have been watching his videos, since I work graveyards, and I have learned a lot in the context of the Bible. The man raising the questions to Cliffe had some very good questions but Cliffe was able to answer the man's biblically based questions with scripture. Not only with scripture but toward the end of the questioning he uses the analogy of slapping the girl in the face or giving her money; both good examples of our free will.

@Brucev7

7 жыл бұрын

You should Subscribe to support Pastor Knechtle 1 Peter 3:15

Pastor, "What's going on?!" That guy(antagonist) is so scripted. LOL

13:56 was really touching to not only hear Cliffe preach about a kind act but to actually follow through with it. This man is filled with the holy spirit.

the young lady asked a great question. the response was a class in God. great job cliffe!

This is why it is important to know the character of God because we know that we know that we know, He would NEVER. tell us to do something like that.

28 The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion. -Proverbs 28

Slinked away with his tail between his legs!!! Old dude probably can't even watch this video!!! Unless he actually has humbled himself since then. Love it, Cliffe!👋👏

I love it when people attempt to poke holes in hard verses to attempt to make a point. You can Google hard verses right before talking to someone on a debate, but that still doesn't mean they know what they are talking about. People need to do their homework with proper context

It’s amazing how people who have really great questions and have thought a lot about it and are so well versed on their side, how when they get an answer to their question, they don’t pay attention to it or give it any fair shot. Both people in all these debates of cliffe’s I’ve seen usually have really great points and I really love when those tough questions come and make me really think, and then cliffes answers that really makes me think, it’s just so amazing. I’m so grateful for finding these videos. But I’m in awe when people have such conviction and don’t have any room for thinking they’re Incorrect.

That first guy 👀but hat off to you cliff so much patient but I know the game that troll playing

This was delightful to watch lol i wish i could enjoy one in person.

Cliff giving random person money for a dinner. I like it. 👍❤️

Amazing job Cliffe

Lol Modern day Pharisee, that first guy. He was really trying to trap Cliffe with every question

I love you cliff forever.

Awesome

lol exodus 20:20-21 if u read just these portions u will see that if a master beats his slave and kills him he will receive judgement (death) And if the master beats his slave and he survives the slave master will get his money taken from him and given to the slave......context ppl context

@antariowoods2372

8 жыл бұрын

I meant exodus 21:20-21

@antariowoods2372

8 жыл бұрын

***** yes Its referring to the jews being held at Babylonian captivity and the children of Israel being slaughtered

9:20 “is there anyone out there with a bible that can get that verse for me” sums up this guy perfectly! never studied or read anything he’s trying to argue!!!!

@trumpbellend6717

Жыл бұрын

Presumably you have studied and read it cupcake, so perhaps YOU can actually address the verse that Cliffe didn't 👇👇👇 *Exodus 21 : 21* _"If you beat your male or female slave with a rod and they do not die for a day or two"_ _There is to be NO PUNISHMENT for they are your PROPERTY"_ See I think the above 👆👆 is inferring it's ok to own and beat a fellow human as long as they dont die for a day or 2 In the same way that if our government were to make a law saying ....... _"if you beat a black man with a baseball bat and he does not die for a couple of days there is to be no punishment"_ That would sort of infer to me it's considered ok to beat black people Infact personaly I think that would be kinda endorsing racism and the beating of black people, dont you ? 🤔🤔.

@JonnyHalfton

Жыл бұрын

@@trumpbellend6717 Sure heres the context, are you a jew? are you geographically in Israel? are you alive before Jesus died on the cross, then that verse has nothing to do with you, your life, it is not a law, nor is it practiced currently. next

@trumpbellend6717

Жыл бұрын

@@JonnyHalfton Why do you immediately attempt to disassociate your religious beliefs from the 613 laws in the old testament ? It's almost as if you recognize just how immoral many of them are. 🤔 *read on* 👇👇 Is Jesus not also the SAME God who was responsible for those barbaric immoral laws. ? Did God just "change his mind" about slavery, polygamy, infanticide, genocide, ect? Indeed did Jesus himself not say about those mosaic laws that _"he who breaks even the smallest of these laws will be considered least in heaven "_ and that he came _"NOT to change the law"_ _"not one jot or tiddle until all things have come to pass"_ John 14 : 9 *Jesus stated* _"the one having seen Me has seen the Father_ _How is it you say, ‘Show us the Father'_ _Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me_ ? _"I am not speaking the words which I am saying to you from Myself, but the Father abiding in Me is doing His works"_ Are the Ten COMMANDMENTS not in the old testament? do you regard the bible like it's some kind of chinese buffet where you can just pick & choose the bits you like, whilst ignoring the rest. Presumably you will be able to direct me to where Jesus tells us that the OWNING and beating of slaves with a rod is actually not moral regardless of what Exodus 21, says ?? How ironic Christians frequently complain about "moral relativism" yet here you arguing that these are moral dictates that applied in a different "location", "time" and "culture" to a specific people ?? 🤔🤔 You see in reality it's YOU that's is advocating for a form of *moral relativism* with your "new covernant" garbage. The very LEAST one would expect of an "objective" moral reference is that its UNCHANGING, and applicable to all regardless of time, place, tribe ect.

@trumpbellend6717

Жыл бұрын

@@JonnyHalfton No response as expected 😜 I suggest you just go back to your colouring book and leave these discussions to the adults dear.

@JonnyHalfton

Жыл бұрын

@@trumpbellend6717 only person arguing is you buddy i got 3 foreign escorts on a jetski in paris getting dome like the iron chief of israel i can’t give less of a marmets foreskin what jibber jabber your jabblin if we ain’t gettin paid you owe me for this convo i’ll send an invoice u have 24 hours

The arrogance and delusion of the first guy... an exemplar of the Dunning Krueger effect.

Easy... God doesn’t contradict Himself.

That dude bounced before cliffe was done😂

for me thats simple. do not compete, do not compare. thats where huge mistakes are made. we all can take lessons from horses that run races by putting blinders on to the need to compare ourselves with others and to compare ourselves to others.

Cliffe dodged all those leading questions like Muhammad Ali

This intro was 🔥

The last example of Cliff with the first person was a “turn down for what” hahaha

Please ask this guy to paraphrase any one of of Cliffe's reply. He probably never listened to anything Cliffe said.

That dude at the beginning is 100% the type of person that would own slaves if his culture deemed it appropriate.

The accounts of Abraham's life begin in Genesis chapter 12

The guy asking questions really likes himself and thinks highly of his intellect. Some of his questions are good, but his style isn’t nearly as clever as he thinks, and he comes across as snarky instead of the genuine curiosity he was feigning.

Well. That one guy left pretty quickly.

The first mans question in the beginning of the video reveals just how much people dont read or understand the bible. Abraham didn't do what he did with Isaac because he thought "God wants me to kill my son", rather Abraham believed, "God promised me my son and that my descendants would be as countless as the stars". Abraham wasn't justified because he was doing what God told him to do, he was justified by his faith in Gods promises and trust in Gods character. It is a real shame many believers have forgotten this in favor of works based doctrines where one justifies themselves.

@Man-lw1vp

Жыл бұрын

I appreciate this comment

Exodus 21:20-21

Moses didn't change God's mind, God always knew Moses would come around

Thanks cliffe. You have pointed me to the light and your examples help me point others

👍👍👍

I understand there are a lot of objections to things like slavery in the Bible, I myself still don't quite fully understand certain passages or know why certain things happened the way they did. But that first gentleman kept mixing up his questions and kept saying things like "well what about this" or "well what about that." He was asking about Paul and the Roman Empire then seemed to ignore Cliffe's answer and started talking about the old testament. He needs to stick with one topic or situation until he thinks it's been dealt with

The point is God wouldn't tell a person to go kill people. Jesus please come back ASAP.

@dperkins01

2 жыл бұрын

Read the bible

As others have said, the first guy was being very disingenuous. He was not seeking truth or understanding. And the fact that he didn't know that verse about Jesus equating anger to murder was a big tip off he has not read the NT. With folks like this, the only value in talking with them is that you can talk to others in the crowd. There is no sense in trying to reason with them directly because they aren't interested. You either force them to acknowledge what you are saying to them and call out their deception or you make your point to the crowd based on a couple of that man's questions and send him on his way. For people like him, there will always be another question and no answer will ever be sufficient. In short, the man is jerk and wise people shouldn't suffer jerks for very long.

The first guy was disingenuous, although putting on act that he was serious. He had alterior motives to shame Cliff, but he failed miserably. Cliff “owned him”.

The first man was so arrogant. His heart is so hard. Like trying to puff out your chest to God. I was once that man and I hope God changes his hardened heart.

that guy clearly doesn't understand the bible! 🤷🏻 good job cliff 💪🏼

🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️ people think they are intelligent with their questions when what it shows is how truly ignorant they are. Sheesh!

@miguelosci

3 жыл бұрын

Well let's see. Would YOU kill your own kids if the God that you believe in told you to do so. It's a simple question.

The older guy thought he had a got you question each and every time yet when proven wrong he still came with the same energy with the next attack with a fake question lol Not the sharpest tool in the box lol

If someone ever asked me if i had faith of Abraham to sacrifice son on altar, i would mention that in Abraham's day that child sacrifice was a common thing to do to appease the gods. But that isnt were Abrahams faith lay it was in the fact that he knew God would raise Isaac from the dead.

@askcliffe, now I have a question. How did Abraham "violently disobey God"? If you are referring to him taking Hagar as per the request of Sarai, Abraham wasn't rebuked for that. If you are referring to Abraham telling people Sarah was his sister only and not his wife, that at best would have been a deception out of fear of being killed, but that wasn't violently disobeying God. Genesis 26:5 states Abraham obeyed everything the Creator commanded him and that was the catalyst of why Abraham became the father of many nations as well as why Isaac inherited the covenant. Books such as Jasher and Jubilees shows Abraham having a more serious faith in the Creator at age 14 than his pagan father and brothers, one of which died trying to save an idol that was on fire.

@17:35 the answer to that question Cliffe , is because of the Genesis 6 narattive, God sent the flood the save man KIND. the "Sons of God" mentioned there in Gen 6 is referring to Angels coming down mating with human women and producing an offspring called the Nephilim .

Ephesians 4:4-6New King James Version (NKJV) 4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; 5 one Lord, ONE FAITH, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you[a] all. Footnotes: Ephesians 4:6 NU-Text omits you; M-Text reads us.

I have a question. I'm a Christian, love Cliffe's videos, etc. But I would like to know how we as Christians can answer the tough question about why God told Abraham to kill Isaac. I do love the symbolism that dwells in the Abraham narrative which points to Jesus' sacrifice, and Abraham's faith to actually go forward with it. BUT, just as Cliffe said, we would never think it was God telling us to kill our child. So why did Abraham listen? Was it really God telling him to kill Isaac? Should Abraham have not listened? How could God direct a person to kill their child? I ask in purity of heart, so please be gentle on me, brothers and sisters in Christ. I just really would like to know how we as Christians can respond to objections on this matter. Also, I'd like to understand this passage better for my own personal life of Scripture study.

@ivandito

8 жыл бұрын

God first spoke to people directly and they would undeniably know it was Him, they could not think it was a delusion they were experiencing. nowadays we know The Truth (Christ) and like Cliffe said, to go against His teaching of do not murder if we think in our mind that "God" is telling us to kill then we are being delusional. hopefully this kinda helps. our faith is like Abrahams because we believe without seeing, The Word is all we need, people with hard hearts reject The Word where He speaks, in the heart

@IloveyouJesus545

8 жыл бұрын

Ivan, thanks for your insight. It is a tough one but I guess your answer does a fairly good job with it. I appreciate it!

@ivandito

8 жыл бұрын

***** thank you John, God bless

@Brucev7

7 жыл бұрын

Listen beginning 38:50 Anna, Tulsa, OK www.equip.org/broadcast/questions-and-answers-with-hank-506/ 'Questions and Answers with Hank' Topics include: How were Old Testament saints saved? Is war a sin? What is the meaning of Pentecost and the history behind it? We believe we are experiencing demonic or paranormal activity in our home. It is affecting our 4 year old son. What should we do? Where did all the different races come from? What is your view of Roman Catholicism? ~~~~Why did God tell Abraham to sacrifice Isaac?~~~~~ How do you interpret Daniel’s prophecy of 70 weeks? Questions and Answers with Hank - 12/29/2011

The first guy is very sarcastic and one sided. He obviously didn’t read on when Paul said And Masters treat your slave fairly and do what is right, knowing that you too have a Master in heaven. And to his first point, the Bible say that God don’t do evil, neither he tempt man with it, but when a man is tempted he is drawn away by his own lust. So God ain’t gone tell you to do that

Another example is the people of Nineveh, God went sent Jonah to tell them that God will destroy the city, and the people repented, and God relented, I believe the reason why God declares his judgement, is to give an opportunity for the people to repent, and the "God changed his mind" is for the sake of the audience because remember the bible was also written by man, and from our perspective, God probably didn't really change his mind, because he planned for them to repent, but to us, it looks that way

@askcliffe at the part about polygamy and the connotation that it was "sinful" behavior, that was not an accurate statement since there are instructions within the Law such as Exodus 21:10-11 and Deuteronomy 21:15-17 that regulated polygyny (the specific variation of polygamy referring to a man having more than one wife). Then there is 2 Samuel 12:8 where through the prophet the Creator took credit for giving David his master's wives (plural) and that if that and the other things the Creator gave him weren't enough that He would have given David more of such things. Even though I am not a polygynist, those who are haven't sinned. As for the qualifications regarding bishops, deacons and elders having "one" wife, keep in mind that the Greek word mia means one or first, such as mias ho sabbaton literally means one/first of the Sabbaths.

Something atheists don't seem to understand is we are told to measure any revelation with scripture. God will not contradict God.

Man this guy is trying really hard to try to be the "Smart Atheist", and Cliffe just aint havin it.

Hmmm......The guy just walked right out.

That guy in the beginning was so smug

The first guy reminded me of a fake CNN reporter

they always say it's a simple question, looking for a simple answer according to THEIR SIMPLE MINDSET. it's unfortunate that the man in the beginning doesn't come to ask but to attack.

It's interesting that the people who are the most smug (the chubby, first guy) are always the ones that have the least reason to be.

Most of these aren't debates, they're gotchas. They're trying to trip him up. They're being intellectually dishonest on purpose.

The first guy tried to give the impression that he was actually interested in the Bible what gave himself away bringing up the issue with Abraham and Isaac he clearly doesn't understand that story in the Bible that was a test that God put on Abraham.

The first cynical thoughts is so publicly seen ...he never came with open mind to know or seek . he came to shut cliff and mock Jesus but ran away knowing after getting the answer for everything

The guy at the start of the clip was so cocky he tried and tried but his house of cards fell down with each answer cliff gave, at the end he just walked off without a civil acknowledgment there lies his true intent So Sad .

What a condescending guy, he clearly thinks he knows everything, so much sarcasm.

Read the Bible not to question but read it there is everything that we need there may be something we don't understand but God word is holy that some something we don't understand will lead us to Haven 😂

I wouldn't do it cos the true God doesn't use visions any more.

As for the individual who started his questions with killing 4 school children as a bait to switch it to killing your own son, he was probably not aware of Jasher 22:41-55 where it illustrates how the Creator came up with the idea of offering Isaac as a burnt offering. Here is the text of that: 41 And when Isaac was thirty-seven years old, Ishmael his brother was going about with him in the tent. 42 And Ishmael boasted of himself to Isaac, saying, I was thirteen years old when the Lord spoke to my father to circumcise us, and I did according to the word of the Lord which he spoke to my father, and I gave my soul unto the Lord, and I did not transgress his word which he commanded my father. 43 And Isaac answered Ishmael, saying, Why dost thou boast to me about this, about a little bit of thy flesh which thou didst take from thy body, concerning which the Lord commanded thee? 44 As the Lord liveth, the God of my father Abraham, if the Lord should say unto my father, Take now thy son Isaac and bring him up an offering before me, I would not refrain but I would joyfully accede to it. 45 And the Lord heard the word that Isaac spoke to Ishmael, and it seemed good in the sight of the Lord, and he thought to try Abraham in this matter. 46 And the day arrived when the sons of God came and placed themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came with the sons of God before the Lord. 47 And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? and Satan answered the Lord and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. 48 And the Lord said to Satan, What is thy word to me concerning all the children of the earth? and Satan answered the Lord and said, I have seen all the children of the earth who serve thee and remember thee when they require anything from thee. 49 And when thou givest them the thing which they require from thee, they sit at their ease, and forsake thee and they remember thee no more. 50 Hast thou seen Abraham the son of Terah, who at first had no children, and he served thee and erected altars to thee wherever he came, and he brought up offerings upon them, and he proclaimed thy name continually to all the children of the earth. 51 And now that his son Isaac is born to him, he has forsaken thee, he has made a great feast for all the inhabitants of the land, and the Lord he has forgotten. 52 For amidst all that he has done he brought thee no offering; neither burnt offering nor peace offering, neither ox, lamb nor goat of all that he killed on the day that his son was weaned. 53 Even from the time of his son's birth till now, being thirty-seven years, he built no altar before thee, nor brought any offering to thee, for he saw that thou didst give what he requested before thee, and he therefore forsook thee. 54 And the Lord said to Satan, Hast thou thus considered my servant Abraham? for there is none like him upon earth, a perfect and an upright man before me, one that feareth God and avoideth evil; as I live, were I to say unto him, Bring up Isaac thy son before me, he would not withhold him from me, much more if I told him to bring up a burnt offering before me from his flock or herds. 55 And Satan answered the Lord and said, Speak then now unto Abraham as thou hast said, and thou wilt see whether he will not this day transgress and cast aside thy words. Verse 44 is where Isaac made the declaration and that is where the Creator got the idea to test Abraham in such a manner. Jasher 23 is basically the parallel of Genesis 22. The point is that it wasn't the Creator who came up with the idea, but that Abraham's own son Isaac opened his mouth and boasted to one up Ishmael who was boasting about being circumcised in the flesh. The take away is be mindful about what you declare. It is like the saying about be careful of what you wish for, because you just might get it.

People like the first guy actually exist? LOL what a joke. He really thinks he knows what he's talking about too.

That first guy is probably one of the most arrogant people I’ve ever listened too. He thought he had cliffe on the ropes but he doesn’t realize that he’s getting answered and doesn’t accept it.

This guy is a snark.

What a twisted premise by the first guy

@TR13400

4 ай бұрын

Dude is weird lol