Ya old people don’t like us too much I went into my local music store Friday and asked the owner for manmoth slinky 12s for my slipknot riffs and he looked at me with disgust….btw, I’m 41

@infernapeDLS

3 жыл бұрын

Same, the old guitar store I went to a guy looked at me with double disgust. First by telling him I have a 7 string, then by asking him what string gauge would be best for drop F#

@harshtruth9148

3 жыл бұрын

@@infernapeDLS lol seriously the guy scowled at me

@fluffytoaster427

3 жыл бұрын

Something like that a week or two ago to me too. Had a new bridge put in a Spear Gladius then asked for the guy to set it up for Drop B. He’s like “Drop D?”. I was like “Basically, but lower. Same intervals but the sixth starts in B.” Dude just didn’t get the concept lol

@undoingruin4203

3 жыл бұрын

Almost 5 years ago when I was still in high school, I was playing a Three Days Grace riff (Animal I Have Become) and another kid said to me “That sounds cool! What tuning is that?” And I told him Drop C, he replies “Why do bands like that always have to tune low?!?!”

@harshtruth9148

3 жыл бұрын

@@undoingruin4203 they just don’t get it but who cares….we love it!! There is NOTHING ON EARTH more satisfying then a drop A/B heavy riff played endlessly for hours at ridiculously high gain!! 🤘🏼

Dude in Bongripper tunes to F Standard with a Les Paul.

@sonictemple2925

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you. More people need to hear about bands like Bongripper.

I love Drop F! I've got a fanned fret 25.5-27", tuned FCGDgcf; I call it mirrored tuning - FCGD are a fifth apart, so one-finger powerchords, and Dgcf are fourths apart, and also 1-2-3 octaves of the lower strings. Great for doom-drone; lay your finger across a fret and any string you touch will be in key/in octave SOMEWHERE together.

@Psyfonify

3 жыл бұрын

I just dont know about relearning your chord shapes on the top strings..and lead playing fumbles out the wazzoo from strings being 1 fret different than usual..idk. Soundgarden and melvins use CGDGBE so I like FCGDGBE on 7s

@Psyfonify

3 жыл бұрын

But hey more power to you mr Stanley Jordan lol. Allan Holdsworth has also said he'd go back in time and learn with all 4ths if he could

I would say that your sound, riffs, and attitude greatly surpasses MANY professional touring bands. Incredible work

That legit sounded killer. Personally, I'd just tune a 7 string to F or just play an 8 string in E, but still, LOVE the tone you got there.

I'm 52, we've used octave pedals since way back, it's actually a much better solution than putting too heavy strings on your guitar and wrecking the set-up and sometimes the long scale guitars still end up sounding like a bass. so I think the drop pedal is a good idea for ya. you should also check into SYNTH guitar to get some unique low tuning effects

@TheLowest

2 жыл бұрын

It's certainly easier than a full setup. Personally I prefer a set up due to being distracted by the actual guitar while recording the lower pitch and also it's better for recording as a pitch drop can sometimes glitch or mess up and sounds quite dark

I just made a baritone for drop F since everyone spiked up the demand/price for Squier baritones. Worth every penny lol. Solid with the drop pedal though, killer tone even in solo.

Ray, you are an inspiration for guitarists to experiment and find their own sound!

@xanderraymondcharles

3 жыл бұрын

ah thank you so much :)

I normally tune to B standard. So, when I use my whammy DT, I don't have to go that far and I think it works pretty well. Ray always sounds super sick no matter what he does!

@henbah3488

3 жыл бұрын

👍

Wata from Boris plays a Gibson LP Custom, tuned to A sharp standard, sometimes drop G sharp. Sounds awesome. Strings are .13 - .56 according to an interview they did with Premier Guitar.

@sonictemple2925

3 жыл бұрын

Also Conan plays drop F on a Les Paul without a Drop Pedal. He uses Dunables now, but it’s been done. Also Neurosis plays low on a Les Paul. Just people playing the modern Djent style music don’t know about these bands that’s been doing it for decades. Neurosis has been around over 30 years.

@xneurianx

3 жыл бұрын

@@sonictemple2925 I think it's less that they don't know about them and more that the super-tight snappy response you need for "modern metal" is hard to get on an LP without crazy thick strings and a VERY aggressive picking hand - a lot easier on longer scales with thinner strings. Neurosis has a very different set up to... Uh Periphery?! I dunno what they tune to. Modern metal isn't really my thing! All about the boomerXcore. Bit weird when people act like it's a totally new concept though.

@mil0rdo

3 жыл бұрын

dont forget lee malia from BMTH they played A# old album with .80 on the low e string

@Return2TheLiving

3 жыл бұрын

@@mil0rdo some how he has also played it in C/C# as well. Makes my ass clench just thinking of tuning that high with such a thick gauge.

@KeepTheGates

3 жыл бұрын

The string gauge helps, but you really need the scale length to be longer for lower tunings. You're dividing the string into different sections, and you'll end up with terrible intonation issues trying to pull off a super low tuning on a scale that's designed for standard. There's a reason bass guitars are usually 34" scale compared to the 24.75" or 25" you see on older guitars.

Another way I’ve used it to get to drop F is instead of tuning up and then dropping an octave, I would tune my guitar to drop C and then use the pedal drop it another 7 semitones. It will make it sound less “artificial” like you mentioned.

Sounds like a chores of many guitar players at one time

Problem that I have with the digitech drop it shaves a lot of high-end of the signa (and to me had a cocked wah sound)l. At one point I considered just having all of my guitars in standard tuning and drop d and just use the drop pedal to get the lower tunings. I still find the pedal useful when im in a bind but ultimately it cant beat a "real" down tuned guitar I find going down with the drop as little as possible is the way to go imo

@BA99253

3 жыл бұрын

Sold mine for the same reason. They sure sound appealing but ya they kill some of your tones mojo.

@ayeapprove

3 жыл бұрын

Same and sometimes you can still hear the original (unpitched) notes at the same time. I also have the Peavey AT200 with the autotune system by Antares and it's tracking is much better but yeah, I would never use the Drop Pedal for a whole set (just downtune your guitar) but more like an effect to get some lower tunings into a song.

@xanderraymondcharles

3 жыл бұрын

i completely agree. I have to crank the high end on m amp like a mo to compensate

@paperhanger29

3 жыл бұрын

Nothing an EQ pedal on a pedal chain can't fix. Everyone should have an EQ pedal on their pedalboard for all kinds tonal senerios

@jarrusjenkins

3 жыл бұрын

@@paperhanger29 how would you set that up? Genuinely curious, I have the drop after my tuner and before my overdrive as in guitar>tuner>drop>overdrive>"whateverelseicantthinkofrightnow">amp Would you put the EQ before or after the drop?

NGL, that song sounds like it belongs in Doom or something. Anyways, most interesting thing I've seen with a Les Paul as well, so great video :)

Cool to see the strings over the tail piece rather than through like conventional set ups. Would love to hear your thoughts on that! 🙌

Just for some clarity and a secondary opinion; my former band was mostly playing in Drop C and at the time I had nearly a dozen guitars with different tunings and setups. Was also running numerous modelers and heads/cabs. I wanted to streamline my entire rig and try and keep it minimal and efficient for my needs. The Drop was absolutely fantastic for this; for the first time I didn’t feel the need to keep additional gear maintained, and no longer had to swap out rigs on stage with my cover band. I’m only running two guitars now, an ESP Eclipse and a PRS Custom 24, going through a Line 6 Helix Floor and 2x12 Powercab Plus, and the only other pedal on my board is the Mission Expression pedal. Coupled with some Ownhammer IR’s, this setup does literally everything I could ever need it to, and more. For that additional clarity I alluded to above: the Drop does an amazing job. But it does start to sound a little unnatural the further down you go. In Drop C, from standard tuning, it sounded great and there were no issues. Going down further introduces some artifacts and generally things start to sound worse (or different, if you happen to like the tonal shift). The way to get around this is to drop your second guitar down a half or whole step, allowing you to pretty much keep the same strings and with minimal adjustment to the guitar, and while maintaining the quality of the sound coming from the Drop. For me, this was the key to finding a really good balance. A few notes; the Drop does cut some of the brightness or glassiness from the tone; which isn’t a big issue for some players; definitely not for me. And if you’re running a Helix the Poly Capo is (subjectively) a better sounding option, allowing you to remove the physical Drop pedal from your chain and simplify even further. The one caveat is it takes a lot of DSP power to drive and you may have to sacrifice something in your signal chain to use the Poly Capo as your main solution for drop tunings. That said, the Poly Capo is definitely the first solution beyond the Drop that has worked for me. I think the Axe FX III also has a good solution baked in as well, but I haven’t tested it yet. Thanks for the amazing videos as always. That riff was killer. Great production. Preciate the work you put into this channel.

The digitech drop is like my favorite pedal, I use it all the time. All my guitars are tuned to standard or drop d and I just use the drop for all the other tunings I use like half step down, d standard c standard and B.

playing starts at 3:27

it's interesting because guitars tuned way down get a bit of that 'flub' noise on the lower strings (which depending on who you are is either bad or the entire point), but since this is tuned UP from standard it has a much tighter overall texture, but then sounds like a low tuning

@AshenHollow7

3 жыл бұрын

Favorite thing about that pedal, use to play a ibanez 7 and drop f and such all sounds horribly muddy but this helps tighten and clean it up. Each note has alot more clarity even in an octave down

The digitech drop has always been my favorite, back in 2019 when my band would play shows I used this pedal a lot because I'm a student and can't have as many guitars as I would need for different tunings but man this pedal is amazing.

Thanks Ray, now you've made me want to get a Digitech Drop

Been using this for years... It became part of my sound and i recorded our album with it... Since i dont have a britone it saves my life

25.5 can go to drop G with 11-64s so I mean throw a 14-74 set on an that should let you tune between E1 and F#1 on that Gibson scale length. Some of the old 8 strings use 24.75 and 25.5 scales, not super well, but they function.

I saw the notification and was like wtf is he doing to that boomer now? 😀😀

My dude, I'm with it. Very cool sound.

Anything that makes dad rockers angry makes me happy

I use the drop pedal in my cover band and I can guarantee nobody notices that I haven’t tuned my guitar. Never tried going as low as drop f tho lol

Dude, your awsome. You have a positive Catchy Vibe to you man, Keep up the videos. You're doing Great. Stay Metal

@xanderraymondcharles

3 жыл бұрын

Shhh thank you so much Jeremy!

@Bigfatriffmaker

3 жыл бұрын

@@xanderraymondcharles You Are Very Welcome. 🤘🤘🤘

I love it dude, keep breaking the mold 🤘

The intro and verse riffs are so badass, I love it!

There are plenty of us out there drop tuning our Gibsons. I have one LP tuned to drop Ab and I use the Drop pedal to go down to F.

i've wanted to do something similar since a year or so. I guess it's time to tune up my gibson in F# standard a start my metal project in a similar way! Very good the result in the recording and i guess live with the drop will be a piece of cake!

This definitely does sound unique. I wouldn't even say bad, it is definitely very punchy for such a low tuning. But I was hoping you'd throw on some gigantic strings. On my Les Paul in drop A# I use Elixir 12-68. You could get super thick strings from Stringjoy though. But great job showing something not really seen on other guitar videos.

put on a fat 95 - 100 gauge string on that guitar and you could probably tune to Drop F. I use 12 - 76 on my six string 25.5 for Drop C# all the way down to a Low G alternative Octave tuning (GGCFGD). though the tension is probably Best for Drop B - Drop A, I tend to stick in the Drop C - A# realm with them. If I wanted to tune lower than A, I'd probably throw on a 90 - 95 gauge myself but because I like switching tunings without needing many guitars. of course a digitech drop pedal would be alot more convinient my current set does the job fairly well for the tunings I stick to though

I play an ESP Horizon 25,5 tuned in drop B and then downtuned to drop G with my Kemper. Using 012-056 string gauges and it works great (even with SD JB’s) 🤘🏼

I did that too, but I've put an 8 string set on it, and proceed to tune it in drop F

Really stoked on this! Would love to see more about how you set it up and the tuning issues.

One thing I love about the drop that maybe people haven’t thought about is because it’s a pitch shifter, it retains tone. It’s sick with say a tele where a low running would be muddy on the single but instead it’s nice and fendery but super low

Sounds awesome 👍

For what it’s worth, Stoner Doom bands have been tuning to f on Les Pauls for a while now. Bongripper and Conan are the two famous ones and are STUPID heavy. Les Pauls are way more versatile than people give them credit for

I have my guitar on drop d and used my drop tune pedal with the oct on for that double drop d tone!

I used a Gibson sg voodoo in drop A for years. And 25.5s in drop G. I just got into the bari game a couple years ago. Dont think ill ever go back. My ibanez rgib6 28" stays in F and it holds tune and intonation perfectly.

Only thing I'd worry about playing live is latency with the set up. But overall it actually was pretty cool to listen to. Would love to hear you do this same thing with your emg loaded Les Paul. I've not heard emgs in that low of a tuning before.

@timothymartin2137

2 жыл бұрын

there is no latency with that type of pedal

Not even gonna lie that low end has a very mick gordon sound, any doom fans out there?

I don't know about your Gibson Standard, but the Standard 50's I bought in 2020 is amazing.

I got more baritones than I do regular guitars. If I was going for drop F, I'd grab my Ibanez RGIB6 28" scale, or a last resort would be my PRS 277 27.7" scale. I like thin strings that feel dialed in. Set up job a must.

So when you play in drop f, what does a bassist need to do? Tune down the bass as well? Help guys

@Burnt_Gerbil

3 жыл бұрын

Bass can play in the same octave, and boost the low end to make it stand out.

Lol this is nothing. Omar Rodriguez Lopez uses 13-56 guage strings and plays in standard tuning. EDIT: I wrote this comment before hearing you play. You have amazing riffs and sound. Great work!

The only guitar I recommend doing this on is a tele. The bridge pickup has enough high end and punch that it sounds pretty close to a humbucker at the end

I go down to drop A on my 7 string Les Pauls, I have 2 Gibson made in 2016

Bouuuuh I thought you were trying it for real I was ready to hear the Wabble

Came for advice on drop F for a 27” Bari. Left with having to buy a stupid pedal. That being said, what are you currently playing? Your new solo stuff is sickkkkk

I play in drop A on a 25.5 inch scaling, with 68-14 guage, with a wound 4th. Just the red baritone pack from d'addario. I love the punch and sustain it has

@lakfit.b8347

3 жыл бұрын

I usually do the same but with the erniball 68-15s

you ever heard of the band Conan? they play in Drop F and the guitar player uses les paul custom with a standard scale. uses a ernie ball 8 string set to achive it. check em out!

Im impressed by how tight it sounds!

Sounds like something you'd hear in the newer doom games

Sick bro! Love it!!

@xanderraymondcharles

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for hanging with me!

youre right very alien like. sounds sick in the mix too

For 30 inchers check out Schecter C-VI and Ibanez SRC6

I have one of my 7 string guitar in F A# F A# D# G C It's basically a "crossover" between F std and Drop A#

Fuck….that tone is as hard and dark matter heavy as a gorilla pounding a chihuahua.

Shuriken man, change your life😂, even just for home studio stuff, so much fun and you can get them long scale.

I got myself one of these a month or so back - I found a few other KZreadrs use them for demos as they may have to give a guitar back but prefer to play down-tuned. Or don't want to be constantly changing strings/waiting for the guitar to settle for various tunings as they do riffs/covers From all the reviews - much more than 4 or 5 steps down and it starts to struggle - a full octave especially so. But if you're in DropD you can get to DropB/DropA and it'll not take too much away in your tone or sound weird with processing artifacts or lag. Maybe get your LP set up with 12's for DropC (ish) and then try it again in DropF - might sound a bit less alien.

Dude that sounds killer! I have the whammy dt pedal. It does whammy and it will raise or drop my tuning. I keep all my guitars in E standard now and play in D standard or C standard with the pedal.

Sounded sick I really like the bite for how low it is

At the store I work in we plugged the Gretsch Baritone into the Drop pedal and played double drop A lmao

I play in double f# on shitty les paul copies that have been hardly modded. Doesnt sound the cleanest but thats how i like it

Are you going to be playing the Les Paul live? It sounds freaking amazing!!

Do the whole show man! That guitar is sick

I played in a doom band with a guy who used this with his Epiphone Iommi Signature SG, it kind of works but doesn't really do chords or more than 2 or 3 notes played at the same time.

Its sounds great man ! I wonder if anyone uses a drop pedal like that all the time or for recording. Wonder how close it is to the real thing. It sounds not as floppy. Like a 32inch scale or something like that

Jon Davis from Conan actually plays a Les Paul Custom in Drop F, but without a drop-tune pedal

That’s a rad idea for sure

If you don't want possibly ruin your guitar, get a Fender VI. It's a guitar with the strings tuned an octave down.

You should order the sub zero baritone. 30 inch scale humbuckers jazz master body. Totally a monster guitar. I own one sorry to say I owned the squire also unfortunately the sub zero sounds way better to me plus you can upgrade the crap out of it since it’s cheap.

That pic guard looks like Jim Root’s face!!

The tone reminds me of the part in Blood and Water by Memphis May Fire where the 6-string Drop C# goes down an octave to sound like a 9-string.

Cam did this (for real) for Disfiguring the Goddess quite a lot.

I just use my drop tune pedal when I wanna go low! Best pedal invented ever

I live in a small stinky oil town outside of Houston and we have a lil shoppe and I say shop because it’s only what the owner would buy himself. Any way he was getting borderline witch hunty with me when I asked for something heavier than 65g we kept prying into what I do with his employees like he was going to find the perfect reason to call me an idiot. I play a 7 string and only down tune for one song. Lol I wasn’t blasphemous at all.. he literally wanted to convince me I needed 56s

It will be Friday the 13th here and everywhere else Ray🤣😂 sorry, I couldn't resist, have a great week. I been looking at those drop pedals I have 5 guitars and need more for all the tunings I like to use. This may be the solution for my problem, but, more guitars is always better. Cheers

Go for it Ray, you only live once. I liked the tone.

So for me, I'll tune my Ibanez RG 7 string no lower than one whole step below standard B with Drop A down to A standard with Drop G. My Schecter Omen 6 has Ernie Ball Mammoth Gauge strings currently tuned to C Standard with Drop Bb but I've taken that thing down to Drop F and it handles it okay. Question: does the Drop Pedal affect the tonal clarity at all? I know Matt, the bassist from Psycostick, uses a detuner effect pedal to get from Drop Db where they normally play all the way down to F# on a four string bass.

The drop pedal is amazing. I have been using one in my instrumental Band so I only have to use one guitar for the different tunings that we use

See, I definitely should've just used my drop pedal instead of actually putting my Eclipse in Drop F.

Sounds like a keyboard/synth emulation of a guitar

@xanderraymondcharles

3 жыл бұрын

You’re exactly right. Which is kinda cool

@ameer_saban

3 жыл бұрын

Dude I commented after your playing, and you said exactly what I commented lol but yeah I dig the tone - kinda refreshing among all the same gear being used in the genre

Man check the band Conan, they used to play LP in drop F without any pedal, quite badass imo ;)

I kinda had the same attitude when I got my Epiphone Lee Malia signature Les Paul, thing looks like a grandpa's guitar but I rip nothing but metal on it lol. As did Lee Malia himself... Sick riffs dude

You could just put on baritone strings (like the 6 strin baritone slinkys) they work great for drop F on les pauls!

@xanderraymondcharles

3 жыл бұрын

agree to disagree

I wish the whispers of affection had the same sound quality as your channel videos. Love the song but I can’t turn it up enough.

@xanderraymondcharles

3 жыл бұрын

I don’t understand where is it not loud enough? All streaming services have the mastered track

@juanvaldez4043

3 жыл бұрын

@@xanderraymondcharles maybe it’s on my end? Excellent song, awesome performance from all of you guys. I can’t put my finger on it, but like I want it louder, especially her vocals. Maybe It’s just sopposed to sound the way it does and I’m just a snob?😁

I use a electro harmonix pitch fork to drop my tunings on the fly but it could never replace a real guitar tuned appropriately. I can’t even imagine what string gauge it would take on a Gibson to get to drop F#. It would be silly for sure.

Yep....gotta learn how to play that riff...its so nasty...I freakin' love it🤘💀🤘

The Paul Reed Smith Baritone 277 has a scale length of 27.7"

Def try it out. Gotta find out at some point

Wait for the Aria Jet Baritone

I'm an older guy and I think lower tunings sound just as good as higher ones. Yeah just have fun!

Lee malia would use Gibson’s for his drop G songs in suicide season , it’s just rare to see them used

I have a 24" Mustang in B standard. It used to be in open G with a doubled low G bass string. Figure out the gauges and anything can be tuned down.

Jojoooooo maaaaaaan! that sound sick!

Damn!!!I've always loved this channel!!! But now I'm realizing "Luna Muerta"kicks fuxing ass!!!🤘👍