Great to see you concentrating on what the presenter was saying while others were off taking photos etc, you were right there in front of him, well done Ben, very informative.

Giant's factory cleanliness is far above any composite manufacturers I have seen. Hats off to Giant. Thanks Ben

Impressive! Next bike will look seriously consider GIANT! Gave me reason to appreciate to “enjoy” the Ride! ❤

That x-ray for every fork is crazy impressive.

@daynosdr

2 ай бұрын

Except its for show. 24/7 and 365 and no downtime, at 3 mins a fork would be 175,200 forks per year. says right there below the title that they produce a million bikes a year. If you were really QCing every fork with this machine or similar, you would have a computer do it, and you would only use humans to inspect any forks that have an anomaly. It's clear that this tour guide is very much a marketeer and not an engineer.

@cup_and_cone

2 ай бұрын

​​​@@daynosdrYes, I too am skeptical as the math does not make sense. That's only 15-20 forks an hour, which is a really low rate. With x-ray a human still needs to manually review the scans for anomalies. At 7:19 you can see scan totals from 6,000-10,000 per month and rejection rates...so maybe 100,000 forks a year.

@TheRidewithBenDelaney

2 ай бұрын

The 1M number is a variety of bikes, mountain, hybrid, etc. So definitely not 1M bikes with carbon steerers.

@MrSupermugen

2 ай бұрын

@@daynosdr its not.... Giant make a million frames a year... that ranges from road to Downhill... only road bikes have carbon steerers..... id be deleting my comment if i were you.... like duh

@jeremyprovonsil7886

2 ай бұрын

No company anywhere that’s mass producing anything can or would QC every single piece. It’s not sustainable. Most take a random number of samples from a batch or set number of product produced and check them. (Ex, every 5th one out of 50, etc…) Over the course of many batches they can relatively safely assume that based on the sample checks that each of those batches is as good (or possibly bad) as what the batch sample test shows. I don’t think they’re trying to say they check every single one, but if so, I’m sure there’s an internet math nerd who can definitely prove/disprove it.

Just amazing how labor intensive building a carbon frame is. Nice Job Ben!

Being a Revolt rider, it was really neat to see all the detail and testing that Giant does. Awesome!

I'm Taiwanese, and ride Giant TCR Advanced, too. I would like to share a little story about Giant founder Mr. Liu. THX for Giant's founder Mr. Liu, he integrated rivals & vendors to define components specific (except drivetrain) in early 2000. So that bicycle OEM quality in Taiwan was improved due to the alliance. That's why Taiwan has another well know brand such as Merida & KMC & FSA(vision) & Topeak.

@TheRidewithBenDelaney

2 ай бұрын

Cool. Thanks for sharing. Did that group ever formalize to have a name? Or was it just collaboration to create standards?

@atlaswang1959

2 ай бұрын

@@TheRidewithBenDelaney Partially Yes, the group was named "A-team" which was like strategy alliance.

@TheRidewithBenDelaney

2 ай бұрын

@atlaswang1959 ah, right! Now I am vaguely remembering old BRAIN and Bike Europe stories on this. Thank you.

I loved giant bikes they're so high quality. No wonder other companies buy from them instead of making the bikes themselves.

As a happy giant owner, cool to see where and how it's made.

Testing those forks saves lives. Many other high end bike brands don't care.

I know people with a Jewelry factory there. What a technological giant, Giant has become.

Rode a TCR comp. Bottom bracket shell fell apart underneath. I glassed it myself and it held up 9 more years. Could have been a crash, but I rode that frame 14 years in total. I loved it!

@tommyfreckmann6857

2 ай бұрын

How many milee on it?

Love it thank you ! I’ve been on a tour of the Giant Amsterdam facility they mostly do aluminum bikes there.

Been riding propels from 2018 ,super super fun , totally recommend

Pretty involved process. Great video. Thx

the new giant bikes are pretty nice. some are a pain to work on but its just routine.

Very interesting video. Thank you for showing

The cold cutting process is probably the most lucrative aspect of it all. If giant as a manufacturer can sell it as a process to its bike company customers(which it will) it’ll make bank

Very interesting. Thank you for the tour.

Now, back to good, affordable, and reliable aluminum frames.

I won't lie, makes me want a giant.

Awesome. Thanks for this.

Thanks for another incredible video!

@TheRidewithBenDelaney

3 ай бұрын

My pleasure! It was cool to have that access.

AJ bringing the heat!

Thanks for touring video! Ben, I always wonder what's look like 👍

Thanks for touring video @dean

Thanks, beautiful process, very clean factory and well organised. Thank you Giant for allowing the tour.

Some people look down their nose on Giant bikes but I’ve been nothing but impressed.

Terrific well done

Great video! 👏👏

Wow impressive great to see 😊 Pete 🚴🏻👍

I have a 2022 Fathom 29 and love it.

Great video. I really like the manufacturing excellence approach of giant, compared to, for example, pinarello that's a luxury brand approach first. And given that giant makes frames for lots of competitors, it's just funny, if not sad, that people willingly pay more just because the logo is different.

@Reej23

3 ай бұрын

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I bought a Cadex (Giant) carbon fiber frame mountain bike in 1990. Still rolling with: replaced derailleurs, wheels, crank, brakes, shock, and cables. [Hit by a car running a red in 2005, throwing the bike (and me) down the street about 30 meters.] The only minor issue was when I put disc breaks and new shock on the front, which raised the headset about 3.5 cm (~inch and a half) resulting in some faint crackling sounds when I rode for a few years. I’m sure the change in force direction put unusual stress on the frame…though after 10 years more riding, no noticeable effect. Frame could use new clear coat !

Awesome!!!!

I love Giant ❤❤❤

I have two giant communter bikes. Want the new TCR so much.

@Reej23

3 ай бұрын

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Vídeo sensacional 👏🇧🇷

Hard to beat Giant’s bang for the buck. Love my Defy Advanced.

@barneyklingenberg4078

3 ай бұрын

As long as you replace the tyres the day you get it. Damn i wished giant would just outsource their tyres. They are good in many things. But no one including giant is good at everything

@Reej23

3 ай бұрын

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Wild!

Very good content, my next brand will be Giant whenever I get bored with Specialized.

@Reej23

3 ай бұрын

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Even if you assume working 24 hours a day, 300 days a year (lots of holidays), that's over 2 bikes a minute!

Statement: “The only major manufacturer that takes this step” (of making their own composite sheet, or prepreg carbon) is incorrect. Ive seen it with my own eyes in another location…. And I’m making a documentary about carbon production where I will show it so I will backup my words 👍🏻

Would love to know how F1 teams make their carbon parts - enjoyed the video

3 moths and my giant propel advanced pro 0 dont arrive 🤯 dont understand

OMG it's ANDREW JUSKAITIS! He's awesome.

Carbon frames can be quite robust and long lasting. A family member has an eight year old Giant Trance Carbon mountain bike that has just gone over 16,000 miles (25,000km) of mainly off-road riding.

Anyone knows how they take the bladder out ? Does it melt ? Gets dissolved in whatever chemical ? Gets sucked out of the frame once it's been cooked and hardened ? Is it reusable or usable only once ?

giant city bike ( city trooper) .The best double suspension all around city bike ever.

Been following giant since the 80s predating the TCR always have had a lot of respect for what they do and how to do it. Somewhere in the Youniverse is an interview with their President, I would recommend that to anyone interested in learning more about them and how they orient them selves philosophically

Somehow people think that the Giant Group is falling on hard times - the stock is fine. Giant makes bikes for other famous brands on a “cash and carry basis”. If Cannondale or Trek don’t sell their Giant-manufactured inventory- that’s on them.

@rider65

3 ай бұрын

Exactly. And also either Trek or specialized are in debt for millions of dollars to Giant not sure which one of them it is, but one of them is going under... most likely being bought out

@petersouthernboy6327

3 ай бұрын

@@rider65 it’s a safe assumption that it’s Trek. Giant makes bikes for Scott and many famous names.

@robertmcfadyen9156

3 ай бұрын

Giant would still be adversely affected as there would be less orders across the board . If the buyers can't pay , then Giant's investment capacity and shareholders would be affected .

@robertmcfadyen9156

3 ай бұрын

XDS makes some TREK models in their Cambodia factory .

@Ih8GoogleandApple

2 ай бұрын

Fork integrity is paramount and Giant goes the extra step to ensure this. I feel Enve also does forks to perfection.

20 years with the company....that's pretty impressive!

@andrewjuskaitis5767

3 ай бұрын

Thank you!

This is the world we live in right now. On the bringe of collapsing and what do humans care about??? Well, a super-strong, lightweight bicycle. Crazy.

A friend of mine had a Giant TCR bike back in 2018 and he had to get the frame replaced under warranty due to the paint around the bottom bracket area cracking due to movement in the area. This is a common issue on giant bikes as what I have been told that most probably go back at least 10yrs. After my friend received a new bike build, he sold the bike. I would trust Giant with a 1000ft pole. A bicycle store back in the 90's in Melbourne told me about this issue and he would not sell them.

@robertmcfadyen9156

3 ай бұрын

My 6061 Boulder had paint cracking as well . This is a widespread problem with the brand . Defy carbon bottom bracket ovality creaking is another problem to Giant .

Warren and….James in the background? Ouh, and David.

Making the carbon weave inhouse is only a brag point if you actually make the absolute best carbon weave. If not, it only means the brands buying it has better materials.

Welcome pay a visit to Giant, Taiwan Bike Manufacturer 🎉 My country ❤

Interesting

@Reej23

3 ай бұрын

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8:29 probably cut on a flatbed cutter like a ZUND machine from Swiss.

It’s amazing to see such manufacturing process. Only a few (Time bicycle came to mind) to see the carbon weaving process. Much much more than just bling paint scheme & unproven faux aero fin from some manufacturers. I wonder if Giant carbon tech can make F1 car chassis

@bingbing3464

3 ай бұрын

The carbon thread is from toray. Giant only weave them into sheets. As for Toray, they pretty much monopolized the market and even supplies to F1 teams.

@abhimawa1

Ай бұрын

@@bingbing3464 i know as there’s one supplier nearby my friend’s place. But the process is what makes the difference (to many other brands)

So where is the part of the factory where they make the bikes for all the other brands? 😝

@iMadrid11

3 ай бұрын

That’s on a different Giant factory. This one just builds the new 2024 TCR. 😝

@TheRidewithBenDelaney

3 ай бұрын

It's a cavernous facility, and 30% of the bikes coming out of that one are made for other brands.

Nice, it's looks like they are using HDPE or something simillar as internal bladder.

Thanks Ben. Fascinating insights into the intricacies of carbon bike building. Quality control is impressive, as is the skill and professional commitment of the team who build the bikes. Great to see that bikes made in Taiwan are among the best in the world. The filament to sheet tech was good to understand. More info about directional layups for different areas of the frame would be even more so. …Interestingly the new 3T made in Italia bikes now utilize a unique carbon filament winding process, whereby the majority of the frame is wound rather than laid up in sheets. That would be a very interesting comparison.

Wow, Giant and Pinarello uses same type of carbon.

@donaldostrem4982

2 ай бұрын

Yes, they use toray carbon which is made in Japan. Fine with me. Right now, I'm trying to buy a giant ecstasy advanced 293 and the sapphire and black paint. I just hope I will really enjoy it. It cost $2,500 and I owe about 700 right now. Now I just need to find a place that will buy my giant talon. 3.

hey guys by the way giant makes most components for others brands so you also have the tech

That s why my last bike I bought is a GIANT TCR

is there a factory in behind where i can get my new carbon frame from?

@Reej23

3 ай бұрын

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are any bike brands made fully in America or Europe anymore? i mean the entire bike

@ShredST

2 ай бұрын

Sure but they are usually not as high tech

Is that Bob Roll?

giant is spending big marketing bucks to launch a TCR in this environment. Bold move

@barneyklingenberg4078

3 ай бұрын

Well asking an youtuber to your factory is relatively cheap but effective marketing. And it makes beautiful content.

Some Chinese bike companies also make pretty good bike frames as well.

I do believe I am now a Giant Bicycle fan. I have always loved Bianchi. Made in Italy, known for their steel frames that handle and feel like a Ferrari. Very refined feel when riding.

@tommyfreckmann6857

2 ай бұрын

It's been a very long time since they had been made in Italy.

my question is, if they are laying up their own carbon, why do they make difference models of frame? Is it more resin or different carbon filament? or just less parts?

@barneyklingenberg4078

3 ай бұрын

Now this is the question i would’ve asked.

@tizzadh

3 ай бұрын

different carbon type, as Toray produce different quality products depends on what features you looking for. An there is also a different type of construction process. At the end you get different quality in terms of performing (weight and stiffness for example)

@nationsnumber1chump

3 ай бұрын

@@tizzadh oh I thought that was just resin ratio. So is each giant roll a different type then? Do they mix the strands too?

@tizzadh

3 ай бұрын

@@nationsnumber1chump Resin could be also diferent type, yes. Depending frame level it has diferent Toray carbon type or construction.

Is that James Huang photo bombing at 6:40?!😄

@TheRidewithBenDelaney

3 ай бұрын

That guy is always in my shots. 😜

@user-if1gh4xl5h

3 ай бұрын

caught glimpses of warren and david j as well. will be interesting to see all the different viewspoints

Maybe they can make a Carbon fiber submersible to go to the titanic.

What was said at the 0:20 second mark?

@cup_and_cone

2 ай бұрын

"...five steps we're looking at here, in the, Giant factory."

Time Bicycle company weaves their own carbon as well.

@user-ho4rv6kg8u

2 ай бұрын

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Pretty sure Time make their own composite sheet with their own proprietory weaving system.

@andrewjuskaitis5767

3 ай бұрын

Which is why I was [hopefully] clear to distinguish "major manufacturer" in my presentation.

@channul4887

2 ай бұрын

@@andrewjuskaitis5767 always read T&C's kids, even better have a legal team on payroll so that they can translate these things for you.

I spy with my little eye angryasian (AKA James Huang of Escape Collective).

watch and learn specialized 6:59

@Reej23

3 ай бұрын

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The bladders is difficult. Why not 3D print a shell and carbon over that and just leave it inside?

@SrFederico

2 ай бұрын

Weight?

@rtz549

2 ай бұрын

@@SrFederico for a lower cost model though if it would make manufacturing simpler.

@SrFederico

2 ай бұрын

@@rtz549 AFAIK, there is at least one brand (Time?) using a wax model to wrap the carbon sheets onto, and later the wax is extraced by heating it. That actually makes a true monocoque possible.

hey ben tell the boss of giant that 3T does it too. starts from the carbon wire. come to italy

@aoe76

3 ай бұрын

Wowen from carbon wires, no sheets 👍 only one In the world i think.

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3 ай бұрын

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@steveadorjan9048

2 ай бұрын

@@aoe76 Ever heard of Time bicycles?

wish see giant

I would buy a giant over any other world tour brand because of quality control. Time and Look also have the same standards just cost more because it’s France.

so David Auther is your camera man?

I have learned a lot about making sandwich today

Guy is up selling as pro...

For a long time I thought Giant was the only real 100% brand but I've heard they don't even make their rims or spokes and I'm assuming they don't even make their seat post, saddles, stem or handlebars....So it's just the frameset...

@TheRidewithBenDelaney

3 ай бұрын

They don't make every single thing on all their bikes, no, but they do make a lot of it. They showed us their carbon wheel manufacturing, for instance, but we weren't allowed to photo or video it.

@hockeyiscanada

3 ай бұрын

@@TheRidewithBenDelaney oh ok, good news for the wheels, does that mean they make their cadex rims to ?

@TheRidewithBenDelaney

3 ай бұрын

@hockeyiscanada they do, yes.

@tizzadh

3 ай бұрын

@@hockeyiscanada the freehub and internal ratchet is not made by Giant, but carbon rims, spokes, and asembly for sure they produce it.

@dickieblench5001

2 ай бұрын

ISP they do😂

As long as Giant does not make their service manuals publically available, I won't buy another bike from them.

@bushmechanic7196

2 ай бұрын

Why would they do that? Service manual is not meant to be shared publicly! Its intelectual right. If you dont have control of your product, your meant to be doomed.

@t0scanelli

2 ай бұрын

@@bushmechanic7196 That's what patents are for 😉 Ever heard of right to repair? Imagine Shimano would stop publishing their service manuals!

@PRH123

Ай бұрын

​@@bushmechanic7196 service manuals are created specifically to be publicly shared, so people can service and maintain their bikes... What other purpose would it have....?

No safety glasses 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️

Can you buy a new bike while you where there?

You think that dude has ever smiled or laughed a day in his life??

I'll go with aluminum.

Wofür steht der eine Typ da rum und beobachtet alles?

Bro you’re making bikes 😂 not rockets

Great tech, good quality must be promoted otherwise imitation goes rampant in the market..a lot of poor quality reach Phil market.

Well I can tell there is a lot of imperfection in carbon industry that's one of reasons they don't want to show and carbon lifespan is really short what no one wants to admit

Hold on Didn’t Giant make a big deal with the last TCR that it was laid up by robots now ? And now its by hand ?

@yonglingng5640

3 ай бұрын

Since when was there a carbon frame laid up by a robot?

@jamessheard5498

3 ай бұрын

@@yonglingng5640since Giant said so when the launched their out going TCR I’m sure all the press videos are still out there. Go find them as i cant be arsed

@dickieblench5001

2 ай бұрын

Pieces cut by robot

@cup_and_cone

2 ай бұрын

If a frame could be laid up by robots everyone would be doing it...

@yonglingng5640

2 ай бұрын

@@cup_and_cone Don't include the artisanal bespoke ones.

I guess Time doesn’t count

Western nations absolutely must begin to build their own bikes.