Not surprising that this is the first of the 2020 video drop; thanks guys!

NEC has stock in Lurton and Eaton...

@garfieldwood8315

2 жыл бұрын

And vice-versa LOL They're call "Lobbyists" and the speak into the ears of the CMP and insurance companies. It's a called a "Fix" in search of a problem. The MFGRs have a "Fix" to sell us and the NEC CMP is their "leverage".

Just as you were talking about RV parks, the marina that I was in had similar issues. Because the requirements they have for galvanic isolation requirements in boats, the automatic testing systems to make sure that they are still working and functional would directly introduce a ground fault on the electrical system to make sure that the system was working. When our marina upgraded the docks and switched out to all GFCI's on the 30A and 50A shore power plugs this caused havoc throughout the marina. It would immediately trip any GFCI outlet because of the boat builder requirements. I then had ELCI breakers on my boat and anytime I would use RF (Radar / VHF) this would cause things to trip from time to time. Was a big mess. I can't imagine what this will do with all the larger 30-50A plugs for all sorts of larger equipment in the garage. I am glad I have an older home without all these changes. 😎 Keep up the good work Mike and team.

@MikeHoltNEC

3 жыл бұрын

Wow, good points.

With all due respect, people have gone crazy with all the new changes to the NEC. You can say what you like, but the Main reason for most of the changes are to increase profits for the manufacturers and to appease insurance companies. A GFCI breaker is 3 to 4 times the cost of a standard breaker. Arc fault breakers are 9 to 10 times as expensive.

@regularstan6212

9 ай бұрын

Yeah potentially saving somebody's life is completely uncalled for

@littleprincess4417

9 ай бұрын

They have yet to PROVE that arc faults save lives. Arc faults wouldn’t be needed if stupid people didn’t run 99 cent extension cords under rugs. A homeowner should have the choice to spend the thousands of dollars extra that AFCI/GFCI costs or not. Give them the information and let them decide. I say again, all this is driven by MONEY, both but the insurance industry and manufacturers.

@truthdefenders-

8 ай бұрын

It’s always about profit. Making the rich richer.

@truthdefenders-

8 ай бұрын

@@regularstan6212 where does it end, then just turn the entire damn system into a giant GFCI. 😂

@regularstan6212

4 ай бұрын

Whats your electric company so I never hire you.

Long Live Mr. Mike........

Thank you Mike for your content. It's crazy how stuff changes. Then, that in turn flows downstream to the customer, resulting in additional costs.

@regularstan6212

4 ай бұрын

People spend more on starbucks in a year. Then this would cost. I think The issue is priority not Profits

I just watched this, but as far as damp location. I wired a sunroom built on the back of the house, not climate controlled, and primarily made of steel and glass. The floor, and especially the glass was covered in condesation from the outdoor temp, almost like a car window. And I would consider that room a damp location. We ended up installing a humidi-stat and fan.

Awesome team!

Love the video, Thanks Mike!

I'm getting ready to build a house this year. At this point, I've just thrown up my hands and just plan to put afci/gfci on everything so I don't have to deal with this.

@billytheweasel

3 жыл бұрын

I did that; Dual Function AFCI/GFCI protection everywhere. I don't want to see the big red trucks or insurance agents.

Example of damp location is shower ceiling. Instructions for installation of a "damp location" exhaust fan requires GFCI protection.

In Iowa during the winter you have frozen ground up to 42 inches deep for 3-4 months. Also there are days that are damp and just barely above freezing. When you open an overhead garage door you can watch the condensation form on the cold concrete floor and on any metal surface i.e. jointer table, table saw, ungalvanized nails. During winter months people in Iowa will use kerosene space heaters to work in non-insulated garage space. Kerosene gives off excess moisture during combustion. You will have raindrops falling from the excess length of galvanized roofing nails, caused by condensation. Any time you have humidity, and a dewpoint you have damp. Winter or summer damp is condensation. Kudos to the lady for the "don't get creative" comment. Just follow the rules. GREAT ADVICE!!!

Min 7 . I set a GFCI breaker or a face less GFCI accessible to control a rec behind refrigerator . It work .

Gosh I love this team

33:42 210.8(A)(11) could easily be applied to floor box receptacles located in a mud room or anywhere they are set in a hard surface that is likely to be mopped.

@RobertSmith-lw2bx

2 жыл бұрын

Good point. Haven’t thought of it that way b4. I could go with that. Contractors would moan and groan about it but I believe it’s a viable thought.

As soon as my tax check comes in the 1st thing I'm doing is buying Mike Holt's Journeymans Comprehensive Training Library. Very excited! I can't wait to start learning. Thank you for your inspiration and hard work Mike!

@MikeHoltNEC

4 жыл бұрын

Be sure to watch this Wednesday night 5/20/2020 at 6 pm EST live on my discusson on how to use the program.

@yoztruli6990

4 жыл бұрын

@T-RopE yes I already purchased it. Should be here any day now. Over 600 hours of study time. I got 20% off for preordering the 2020 Library though. Not too bad. Plus my 16 year son is going to use it and get started in his electrical education.

@mariovaldes7161

4 жыл бұрын

@T-RopE the free stuff on MikeHolt.com such as videos, pdf documents and etc is for a refresher on a certain topic. I do not recommend ANYBODY to just consume this content and think your prepared! Don't be cheap, invest in yourself so later your making the BIG BUCKS. All the MHE libraries have tons of hours of useful information, whether its the journeyman, master, or ultimate programs. There is no shortcuts to SUCCESS you have to put in the hardwork, dedication, & commitment.

@chadgerman7467

4 жыл бұрын

MHE has great stuff on the website, but the website is not a replacement of an organized comprehensive program. We don’t want they person who had not used my program (ask them if they have my program) discourage someone from moving forward when they don’t know what the program contains.

It's simple, if you have a sump pump in the basement, install an alarm outlet that will let you know when there's a problem with the power. They are not that cheap but still better than a clean up of the basement.

@speedraser2605

4 жыл бұрын

Clean up the basement. We are trying to save lives here.

@RB-xv4si

3 жыл бұрын

speed raser you misunderstand. He’s saying the alarm device will let you know when the gfci supplying the sump pump trips. He’s not saying to use an alarm device instead of a gfci.

@antoniopadilla8815

3 жыл бұрын

@@RB-xv4si some one with common sense it's hard to find. I'm glad you are one of them.

@RB-xv4si

3 жыл бұрын

antonio padilla it’s not easy to keep the clowns in check but someone has to do it 😂.

@antoniopadilla8815

3 жыл бұрын

@@RB-xv4si 😂🤣😂 sadly there is plenty in the industry, if you are trusted to run a job you know this.

Robertson County in Tennessee (per 2017) is now requiring dual function AFCI/GFCI breakers on ALL 15 and 20 amp 120v circuits. With the 2020 NEC interpretation, I'm sure they will adopt this code and require ALL 120v and 240 volt breakers to be included without exception.

@SillyPutty3700

4 жыл бұрын

To be fair the logistics of figuring out which breaker is which when doing an inspection while sounding simple could prove to be a head ache to an inspector and the theory of "hell we are halfway there" or "in for a penny, in for a pound" certainly applies to their rule.

@curtisbme

3 жыл бұрын

Nice and simply and the logical progression of where this is going (and should have simply just fully gone there so bypass all the silly drama).

@javiergiraldez1647

3 жыл бұрын

It is, inspected my rehabbed house and depending on which code edition 2014,2017 or 2020,:they are enforcing the afci/GFCi combination. I installed all 120/240 included with AFCI/GFCI and the inspector shows me the inspection form 2017 so He told me “ You don’t need the oven and dryer with this protection, now if I have the requested info under 2020 adoption, you will need it. Pass the inspection today and future 2020 is ready....... no goes back.

Basically Surge Protect, GFCI and ARC Fault everything everywhere, and then anything that trips those you should just use a standby generator with a cord through the window to operate. The new code should just have people attest to wearing rubber suits and shoes at all times within 100ft of a dwelling. 😂 The code is at the point where it should just tell you where you cannot have these protections.

@ctrlaltdebug

2 жыл бұрын

The industries are sending out their lobbyists so that they can make bank on us. From $5 breakers to $50 combo breakers.

All GFCIs better be accessible so the owner can find it to check why he has dead outlets.

They are saying now range or other appliances within 6 ft must be GFCI protected because you're getting shocked from the appliance not from outlet

You will now have to change the plugs and receptacles on all ranges and dryers from the old school NEMA 10-50 and 10-30 respectively to the newer NEMA 14-50 and 14-30 plugs and receptacles. And you will have to remove the bonding straps as well.

@ecospider5

3 жыл бұрын

You don’t have to have it on the range if the plug is more than 6 feet from the edge of the sink. You also don’t have to have it on a refrigerator if the receptacle is more than 6 feet from the edge of the sink.

Hey Mike, Love the videos. Keep up the good work. And your panel, love the different input and point of views. FYI. How about the exception for video camera systems that have a hard drive recording numerous cameras located in a basement? Would that be part of or included with 210.8(A) Ex. 5 in basements?

@MikeHoltNEC

4 жыл бұрын

Please read the exception... I'm sure you can answer your question. Which is 'of course no.'

@billytheweasel

3 жыл бұрын

If the AHJ allows the security CCTV system as a burglar alarm I suppose. Anyone can Call for interpretation, pose it as a code question but be clear about it being a cord and plug (not permanent) hard drive. Cameras are screwed to the structure and the HD part of the system.

Was there a live KZread feed this time? Or were they just automatically uploaded?

@MikeHoltNEC

4 жыл бұрын

Yep, we have had 'live streamed' over 15 days of video and have about 12 more to go. Visit www.MikeHolt.com/Live

just install GFCI and ARC combo breakers ( DONE)

@jimgbe7185

4 жыл бұрын

Lol u don’t get it

@lschweitz09

4 жыл бұрын

I’ve read fridges routinely trigger gfci

@ronbonick4265

4 жыл бұрын

@T-RopEWell, Im smart enough to watch Mike channel and give my opinion, and spell correctly.

@ronbonick4265

4 жыл бұрын

@T-RopE Yea ok keyboard warrior .... Ive been twisting wires since before your illegal ass crossed the border, Thousands of inspections, Res and commercial , with only 2 fails..... So go back to your moms and go to bed junior ,

@ronbonick4265

4 жыл бұрын

@T-RopE Not wasting any more of my time on a window licker

Might as well make all receptacles in a dwelling GFCI protected. Whether it be at the outlet with a GFCI receptacle or at the panel with a GFCI breaker.

@TheDannytre

3 жыл бұрын

Finally somebody with common sense! That’s what I say I know it cost a lot more money to change all the outlets/receptacles to GFCI/AFCI. It’s better to do it at the breaker panel! So basically you can have standard outlets and have it protected with GFCI/AFCI breakers!

Talking about the countertop receptacles at 24:00, I have an electric tea kettle from the United kingdom that runs on 240 volts. The receptacle is a NEMA 6-20R protected by a double pole GFCI breaker of course. It's a 2500 watt kettle that can boil 1.7 litres of water in about 5 minutes. It's awesome. My future sister in law wants one.

@billytheweasel

3 жыл бұрын

Sounds better than an Instahot.

@jolyonwelsh9834

3 жыл бұрын

You bet. And I can take it with me when I move.

@billytheweasel

3 жыл бұрын

@@jolyonwelsh9834 Take that recept too, it probably costs more!

@jolyonwelsh9834

3 жыл бұрын

@@billytheweasel Not really, it costs about the same as any standard NEMA 5-15 or 5-20 spec grade receptacle.

Great video, thanks. I am currently working on an apartment building and the engineer's electrical drawings say: "Provide (4) countertop receptacles each with dedicated home run with dual-function AFCI/GFCI breakers, GFCI receptacles not permitted (Typical)." At this time, I can only find the Square D AFCI/GFCI breaker combo on eBay for $80+, all suppliers near me seem to be out of them. AFCI-(non-GFCI) breakers are still widely available at less than half the cost. I'd like to use AFCI breaker + GFCI receptacle. Does it say anywhere in the 2020 NEC that GFCI breakers are not permitted? If so, I can't find it. Thanks!

@MikeHoltNEC

2 жыл бұрын

The NEC permits the combination you desire, but you have to comply with the engineered drawings...

Fire alarm systems are rarely installed in our multi-res and single res for the last 10 years. Smokes only.

@ecospider5

2 жыл бұрын

Fire alarm systems where I live are required if you’re building more than 30 minutes from the closest fire station. They are also thinking of requiring sprinklers at a certain distance from a fire station.

How many people are just going to stop pulling permits and fly under the radar, saving 90% off?

@MikeHoltNEC

2 жыл бұрын

I'm sure some wanted to cut corners when building the pyramids. This is just the nature of some people.

I am an exception! I installed a real fire alarm system in my house because my father is hearing impaired and this system was more interesting to me and more high-tech than those "hearing disability" rated smoke detectors are. To be honest, I have no idea if it's legal to do, but I followed smart wiring guidelines and had the help of some local fire alarm companies to instruct and guide me through the process. They insured I ran wires safely, using bushings and things, following voltage drop calculations and making sure my strobe candela ratings were the right setting for each room, along with using low frequency sounders in sleeping rooms. If I built a new home in the future, is it legal to install a fire alarm system instead of using smoke detectors? I'm not sure where to even begin finding out this information. P.S. Brian sounds really knowledgeable on this, could I contact him somehow to learn more? I will be a homeowner soon and I'd love to find out more about this.

@littleprincess4417

8 ай бұрын

In my opinion, a full blown fire/security system is the only way to go. Each room in our house has a smoke detector hardwired to the control panel. Additionally, there are 3 rate of rise heat detectors evenly spaced in the attic. Our security panel has 32 zones, so if a detector goes off, we know instantly where it is. All that being said, in some jurisdictions, the homeowner can’t legally install such a system. They would have to pay a licensed fire alarm company to do the work. Check with your local AHJ.

A little vague whether it's required by code being beyond 6 feet of a sink, but a refrigerator with an ice maker has a water connection and so does a built-in coffee maker. My logic says they both require GFCI protection along with AFCI protection.

@MikeHoltNEC

2 жыл бұрын

Nope, read NEC 210.8 and 210.12.

What are the code requirements for outlets “junction boxes” not receptacles (well pump, hot water tank, dishwasher under island more then 6ft from a sink, garbage disposal hard wired,) I get ranges ovens outlets more then 6 feet from sink don’t need GFCI protection. Is there a code that applies to Certain appliances?

@MikeHoltNEC

4 жыл бұрын

GFCI protection requirements for appliances (hard wired or cord and plug connected) are contained in 422.5.

A dryer or range would have to have a GFCI breaker. Would it also need to be AFCI protected as well. Do they make AF/GF 30 and 40 amp breakers yet?

@MikeHoltNEC

2 жыл бұрын

For AFCI protection rules, please review 210.12.

Is the allowance still there for a single non-GFCI receptacle on a dedicated circuit for a sump pump?

@MikeHoltNEC

4 жыл бұрын

No.

@DrewskisBrews

4 жыл бұрын

@@MikeHoltNEC well, (no pun intended) unless you can convince tge inspector that it is a damp area (which sometimes is true, but not usually) I guess everyone will need to have backup systems in case the GFCI gets annoyed.

Very useful information for electrical safety :)

Per the 2020 code, does a hard-wired kitchen exhaust fan that is within 6 feet of the sink require GFCI?

@MikeHoltNEC

5 ай бұрын

GFCI protection in accordance with 210.8(A) Dwelling units only applies to receptacles. So your answer is no.

Hi, I have a house built in 1957. No ground wires. Service Panel outside is 200 amps and a 100 amp subpanel inside, all with breakers. If I replace my breakers with AFGI breakers, will I be better protected than if I replaced all my wiring with 3 conductors? Seems like it would clear faults better than a ground wire back to the service panel. Cost to replace all wiring in the house is very high. Thank you for all the great videos and your help.

@MikeHoltNEC

4 жыл бұрын

Get with an electrical contractor please.

Two other possible "within 6' of a sink" are wet bars and garage sinks. A garage door opener receptacle in the ceiling is not readily accessible (without using a ladder) so if there is an opener, GFCI protection must be provided as a load on another receptacle, or from a GFCI breaker. Question: does a car charger receptacle require GFCI protection? They are typically in garages, carports and driveways, served by greater amp circuits and use a proprietary plug. The NEC definition of receptacle seems to apply.

@MikeHoltNEC

4 жыл бұрын

See 210.8(A) for GFCI protection requirements. Answer is yes.

@gpdewitt

4 жыл бұрын

@@MikeHoltNEC Thanks!

If they are in a basement, kitchen, sinks, laundry, garage, outside, crawl space and all wet or damp locations should cover it all for GFCI protection.

Got a question regarding the required outlets in commercial kitchens. The only place I could find required outlets in the NEC, is for kitchens in the dwelling art. 210.52. Does this apply for commercial kitchens? Or there's no requirements for them?

@MikeHoltNEC

3 жыл бұрын

210.52 only applies to dwelling units, not commercial application. The NEC is not a design manual, so it does not require receptacle outlets.

@0786RICARDO

3 жыл бұрын

@@MikeHoltNEC thank you for the reply.

With the way that the code is going (and also my concern for residential customer safety) I'm using Dual Function circuit breakers almost all the time now (as opposed to AFCI-only circuit breakers or an AFCI circuit breaker and GFCI receptacle). In my area, Siemens is by far the most common brand circuit breaker panel that I run into (and I myself insist on installing their PL, PN, or CU series panels which are either copper bus or tin-plated copper bus). The dual function circuit breakers are only about $10 more than the AFCI circuit breakers, so this seems like a simple solution whenever in doubt ...as well as being a selling point for the quality of my workmanship in terms of assuring my customers that the safety of their family is my priority. Let me just say for anyone who has any doubts about this that that safety conversations are a selling point without trying to "upsell". I've written a Google document for my customers explaining basic AFCI and GFCI information and I explain this very blatantly to my customers who appreciate both my concern and my transparency. Putting information into my customer's hands (or more accurately, in a text or email when sending a Google doc) trumps a $10 savings every time (note that an AFCI circuit breaker with a GFCI receptacle actually costs more than a dual function circuit breaker and adds additional labor costs; I could essentially charge the same amount for a dual function circuit breaker as an AFCI circuit breaker and still make more money taking a $10 materials "loss"on the DF breaker). Stocking DF circuit breakers also saves me space in my van. I still have about 15 or 20 AFCI circuit breakers, and I almost don't know what to do with them. Finally, I haven't had a call back yet, but if I ever did: troubleshooting from just the circuit breaker perspective seems easier than involving needing to check the GFCI location. Not to mention if/when replacement becomes necessary: it's easier to change a circuit breaker in a panel in front of your face than leaning over a kitchen counter trying to get inside a little box to change a GFCI... And there is no worry about whether your GFCI has red/black buttons or white buttons (or whether the indicator light is green, amber, or red) so you get to avoid the conversation of whether or not your product's aesthetics match the existing decor of their kitchen. LoL

Did the cost on material only on my House panel and a couple other 2. Total amount in breakers plus the box $859-$1200. This is in Florida.

Regarding damp locations and GFI Receptacles: Might ANY part of a dwelling unit in a climate that, even occasionally, hits 100% humidity, be considered a damp location?

@MikeHoltNEC

4 жыл бұрын

A damp location has 'condensation' (water droplests that slowly combines into water), like a 'steam room.' But not any other room in a building with 100% humidity.

@mrrogers4591

3 жыл бұрын

@@MikeHoltNEC Single pane windows in my house have condensation during the summer months in Houston TX. Do I now need GFCI for ever receptacle next to a window? How about a service receptacle in attic next to AC unit. There is moisture there and a drip pan that could have water in it. Need one there too?

@MikeHoltNEC

3 жыл бұрын

@@mrrogers4591 That space is not a 'damp location,' any more than if you had a glass of ice tea in a southern home.

Greating Mr.Mike From my simple experience ,I suggest to install ELCB or GFCI for entire dewelling unit ,why ?let me show the following:- In around 1997 ( approximately) my wife shocked by electrical leakage current in AC window type switch when she turned on ( leak current of compressor to whole sc body ) through around 1 second ( approximately ) the main ELCB that I installed for whole my house tripped and safed my wife live ... So before this accident and after I was recommended to installed ELCB or GFCI for entire or whole house..the brand of ELCB at that time was Siemens , 63 A ,30mA , 4 pole . . My wife through the 1 second shock time was suffered from harmful pain ( through this 1 second) ... I tested this ELCB on rats ( big size ) and the ELCB was tripped successfully also ... Finally ,in current days I looking for GFCI , 5mA ,63 A Siemens brand... Can you (Mr. Mike ) assist me to buy it ... Eng.jabbar ....from Iraq-Thiqar province..

@MikeHoltNEC

2 жыл бұрын

'ELCB' protection devices are set to open at 30 mA; in the US we call these 'GFPE' or ground fault protection devices. GFCI's are set to open at 6 mA, and there is no way you will want to have an entire home on a single GFCI breaker.

If I was to put a single receptacle for the Humidifier on the furnace instead of a GFCI would that be OK?

@MikeHoltNEC

4 жыл бұрын

Receptacles in basements are required to be GFCI protected.

More vids pls mr.mike!

@MikeHoltNEC

4 жыл бұрын

They are coming!

Indoor damp or wet location? So like a pool change room, hot tub area, pump room, sauna, mud room, wine room, wet bar even if it doesn't have a sink or tap as it is expected to have bottles of opened liquids (wetness)?

@MikeHoltNEC

2 жыл бұрын

Read Article 100 on the Definition for a Dry, Wet, and Damp location to understand how this all applies to the NEC.

any provision in NEC where Panel boards are not permitted in hotel guestrooms and suites and the like ? TYVM

@MikeHoltNEC

3 жыл бұрын

Nope.

When you talk about GFCI PROTECTION FOR RECEPTACLES, are you allowed to put the gfci breaker without the gfci receptacles or both gfci receptacles and the gfci breaker for kitchens.

@MikeHoltNEC

2 жыл бұрын

GFCI can be by a breaker or receptacle.

At the 21:42 mark you are discussing the definition of a "BASEMENT". As a firefighter and per the NFPA, ANYTHING That is Below Ground Level Is Consider Basement. Even if it has an exterior access.

@MikeHoltNEC

2 жыл бұрын

That is what I have learned.

I know it's 3 or 4 years later, i want to have 240v put in my garage, how would afci, gfci requirements work when my 240v welder and air compressor don't have neutral connections on them? Thanks for the help.

@MikeHoltNEC

7 ай бұрын

You don't need AFCI protection for circuits, outlets, or receptacles in a garage, so the problem solved. GFCI needs a neutral to the GFCI, but not a neutral to the load - See www.electriciantalk.com/threads/2-pole-gfci-breaker-no-neutral.17934/

Mike what about the new changes about receptacles location around bath tubs

@MikeHoltNEC

3 жыл бұрын

Not sure what you are asking, GFCI rules are contained in in 210.8, and receptacle requirements are contained in 210.52, and placement of receptacles must comply with new Article 406 requirement. Not a problem at all.

Excuse me sir, what is the purpose of having GFCI outlets if we already have an effective ground fault current path with overcurrent protection?

@MikeHoltNEC

5 ай бұрын

Great question... Circuit protection device (circuit breaker) will not protect a person that makes contact with an energized and a conductive path back to the source.

Dishwasher and or sink disposal outlets are under the counter behind cabinet door. Is that outlet “accessible “? I think u will say yes but want to make sure. So then gfci receptacle can go there?

@MikeHoltNEC

4 жыл бұрын

No accessible and GFCI receptacle can not be located there. Do we want the customer monthly to remove everything from under the skink to test the GFCI? Nope

@lschweitz09

4 жыл бұрын

@@MikeHoltNEC Maybe use a "combination GFCI outlet and switch" for the sink disposal switch. There is always a disposal switch above the sink. Wire it so the under-sink outlet is protected by this GFCI.

@billytheweasel

3 жыл бұрын

It's being debated with inspectors now. My sense is that it's accessible but maybe not readily accessible, depending on plumbing routing and stuff in sink base cab. Or... if you have bad knees! Just make it a practice to use a GFCI breaker if possible, done. If not you can put a GFCI outlet or deadfront right below the panel.

How about 220v Well Pump (pressure switch in basement). Assume this means a GFCI breaker (hard wired)? (Thanks for the videos!)

@osuhizzy

4 жыл бұрын

actually listening more.. i think it's NOT a receptacle so therefore not needed?

Just had a new house built with GFCI in dryer outlet. The dryer tripped this immediately. Turns out, my brand new dryer has a wiring configuration where neutral and ground are bonded and tripping the GFCI. The only two solutions are: 1. Changing dryer wiring (requires technician) 2. Changing to normal breaker (not to code) Mike, what would you recommend we do? This problem is going to grow exponentially since all new dryers will have this issue.

@MikeHoltNEC

2 жыл бұрын

Dryers have been wired wrong forever. Now this new rule requires the wiring to be correct.

@melvinguzman5339

2 жыл бұрын

@@MikeHoltNEC that is my point. is nec want us to apply code. Then all the appliances has to be corrected wiring to apply code.

So I will need to cut the plug off my kiln which is in the garage that runs 240 and hard wire it into a junction box or disconnect switch. A junction box is most certainly not a receptacle right?

@MikeHoltNEC

2 жыл бұрын

Cutting a cord and direct wiring it to a box is a violation of 400.12. Just have it on GFCI, starting with the 2020 NEC.

I guess microwave hood(over the range) that has a receptacle Installed inside the cabinet, and within 6’ of the sink, has to be GFCI protected as well?

@MikeHoltNEC

4 жыл бұрын

Yep!

What about the second part of the requirement "and supplied by single phase branch circuits rated 150 volts to ground"? A 240 volt range, dryer, etc. would not satisfy both parts therefore not requiring GF protection, correct?

@secretpro3

3 жыл бұрын

each conductor is 120 to ground, 240 between.

@shenvalley_8-nuckler481

3 жыл бұрын

@@secretpro3 It was a joke. I can't believe it took this long for a response.

Can someone please tell me if I need a gfci outlet on every single outlet in a kitchen if I have new gfci/afci combo breakers on the kitchen circuits? Also if I have a gfci outlet upstream of counter top outlets is that sufficient or does every outlet downstream of the first gfci outlet have to have to be a gfci outlet as well? I have heard people strongly argue the point that doubling up on gfci and afci protection by having gfci/afci breakers and outlets on the same circuit offers no increased benefit or protection and is unnecessary and redundant. Where other people strongly argue that this redundancy adds a measure of increased safety in the event a gfci outlet fails/malfunctions/ becomes damaged I still have ground fault and arc fault protection on the circuit provided by the gfci/afci breakers. I guess I figured aside from having a back up in place in the event of a outlet failure, having the gfci/afci combo breakers would be good protection for hardwired appliances that are not downstream of a gfci outlet, like the dishwasher, stacked oven/microwave combo and the gas cooktop which are on their own dedicated circuits.

@MikeHoltNEC

3 жыл бұрын

GFCI is only required at the beginning of the circuit.

@davenag957

3 жыл бұрын

My son is an aerospace engineer that certifies the safety of airplanes. He analyzes probabilities of failure for every major component of control systems and submits proof of this to the FAA. For every device you add in line you are reducing your probability of failure rate. The devices will still function in the same way but your safety Factor has increased. It may seem redundant and not required by code, but having a second device in series is definitely safer. An example of Boathouse power comes to mind. If you are only relying on the GFCI receptacle out in the wet area of The Boathouse that can possibly fail just from the humidity, I would feel better also having a GFCI circuit breaker in the panel up in the house. This is my common sense explanation of the engineering explanation that was explained to me by an aerospace engineer!!

It’s the switch Stallone does in over the top.

What about sump pumps in the basement , do they need GFCI receptacle ?

@MikeHoltNEC

4 жыл бұрын

Yep

@lschweitz09

4 жыл бұрын

But read on internet sump triggers gfci, and so do fridges

@MikesSoftLemonade

2 жыл бұрын

@@lschweitz09 yep to that too

Dwelling units would also include condos or apartments? Those have fire alarm systems.

a bar area is not a kitchen, but could have a sink. So all receptacles within the sink 6 foot area need gfci. Also: A breakfast nook in some houses is not a kitchen, but may have a sink and coffee maker..

How about heat pumps mini split condensers need gfci protection?

@MikeHoltNEC

2 жыл бұрын

Yep...

Hey Mike what are the dimensions of your grow room?

@MikeHoltNEC

2 жыл бұрын

Are you intentionally being rude? Why, how old are you?

Mike you are one knowledgeable goofball and that's why we love you! Lol. I like the one where people think you're going to drive a ground rod at the base of a pole and when the lightning strikes the pole that ground rod is going to protect the fixture at the top of the pole... lmao!

@MikeHoltNEC

4 жыл бұрын

I really like the 'goofball' comment!

Requiring a GFCI for 240 circuits in wet locations is just common sense. Outside of home owners bitching about cost (which they always do with the cost of those breakers) I don't know what took the NFPA that long to implement this. If I am running an arc welder or an air compressor etc in a wet location I sure as hell would appreciate having a GFCI in case or an electrical fault. Better safe then dead.... Of course to use a GFCI at 240V all of your equipment has to be a NEMA 14-30/50 or L14-30/50R. Most welding equipment and air compressors etc dont have a neutral. I guess all welders and air compressors (wired as a plug, not hard wired) will have neutrals now? Though GFCI breakers dont need a neutral wired outlet to work...

Greetings from Nicaragua

At a certain point, can't all this be done at the breaker box?

@sapreaper

Жыл бұрын

Technically if/when you can find an afci/gfci breaker and if when you trip one (gf), you want to go to the breaker to reset. Most do not want this. As long as it is protected, you can even go old school and put an afci breaker, connected to a gfci receptacle right under main panel, then use load on it and feed whatever "wet" area you are feeding. I am dealing with this now in the house i just moved into. Pita. Also the fact they connected garage, outdoor outlet, amd 3 bathrooms of receptacles all off this single gfci receptacle....

so is a "flanged inlet" a receptacle? Cant find a definition for flanged inlet and it seems to fit the description of a receptacle

@MikeHoltNEC

3 жыл бұрын

No it's not a receptacle. If you search the NEC for the term 'flanged' you'll see how the NEC relates to them, and it's not like a receptacle.

@manresaelectric

3 жыл бұрын

@@MikeHoltNEC thank you for the prompt response 👍

hey mike I really wanna advance my skills in the electrical field... im a third year apprentice and I wanna gain more knowledge about electrical theory.. I watch ur videos and all of the stuff on your website... I live in Canada.. so most of the time the code rules do relate but different numbers and what not... do you have anyone down here who does what you do that you could suggest..I have my fourth year material well someof it and already going at it..but I want to really understand more about electrical.. and how it all works.. ur equipotential bonding... and motors have really gave me Insight on those subjects... any suggestions ? and I already go over my code book to keep on top.. thanks mike... I have never seen videos like youra.. detail.. deep understanding.. and.. ur knowledgeable is amazing man keep it up..

@VB-yc7cn

4 жыл бұрын

vancouver British Columbia

@MikeHoltNEC

4 жыл бұрын

I suggest you get our non-Code related products. First would be Electrical Theory. If you get the library, I'll extend a 25% discount for the 'library.'

The requirement for the NEMA 14-30 and NEMA 14-50 four prong plugs and receptacles for dryers and ranges respectively has been in the NEC since the 1996 code edition for new installs.

Does a detached garage follow the same rules for a dwelling garage?

@MikeHoltNEC

2 жыл бұрын

210.8(A)(2) requires GFCI protection for dwelling unit garage receptacles , the safety issues are the same if the garage is attached or detached.

i don't get why all kitchen outlets are not required to be GFCI- protected. that little outlet shown in the kitchen that was not required to be protected can easily be used as a coffee- or tea-making station. i used an area like that myself in my Airbnb. i had a little station to make hot beverages. you'd think GFCI would be req because not everyone puts their appliances on the counter

14:35 "In FL we don't have basements so we put them in the closets". Does it strike any one else as odd that you are allowed to install an alarm panel in clothes closet? I am pretty darn sure we are not allowed to install a load center or panel board in a clothes closet because it adds to the fire hazard why would we be allowed to install ANY electrical panel in a clothes closet? Yes I realize he did not use the word :clothes" but it is common practice to install a bugler alarm panel in a clothes closet within the master bedroom in Florida.

@darienredsox1878

3 жыл бұрын

Also common to install alarm panels in closets here in CT if it is a multi family dwelling when each unit does not have its own basement.

@bogdan78pop

3 жыл бұрын

It's low voltage..!!!

@kc9scott

3 жыл бұрын

Some closets are used for things other than clothes.

@SillyPutty3700

3 жыл бұрын

@@bogdan78pop I am not sure if this is still enforced(don't do much resi) but in Central FL we were not allowed to install doorbell transformers in a closet in because of the either the perceived or real fire hazard. The plug in transformer that feeds a burg panel is not much different.

A car charging receptacle for an electric car is going to be common going forward in garages. Most of those are 30 amp and 40 amp 240 V.

@fizwin1

2 жыл бұрын

not common for me.

@ecospider5

2 жыл бұрын

Do you build houses? I was referring to newly built houses.

@fizwin1

2 жыл бұрын

@@ecospider5 No and did not know you did. I thought you were just referring to the vast majority buying elec vehicles. I just do not think we will be there ever but certainly not for a long time. Unless the Government keeps getting involved. Yes for new builds it makes perfect sense. thanks

Hello Mr. Holt. Fisrt of all: hands down sir. You're awesome. I have a quick question about one of your books: I'm interested in buying the "electrical theory" book; however, since we are in the 2020 I was wondering if you're going to publish a newer version of it or the current edition is going to be the only option for a while. Thanks a lot Journeyman electrician

@MikeHoltNEC

4 жыл бұрын

Theory does not change with the NEC. Go get our book now!

Or can you install DFGFCI/AFCI BREAKERS IN PLACE OF GFCI RECEPTACLES?

@MikeHoltNEC

2 жыл бұрын

Yep

@AlexGarcia-yi3pe

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you sir!

This is mute(locally), most (Washington State counties) city rules are requiring ALL receptacles are to be GFCI protected and AFCI protected. Even if its for a refer or saw exc.exc.

@MikeHoltNEC

4 жыл бұрын

I'm very confident that this is 'not' true. Please give me the section reference in the WAC to support your comment.

About the big RV garage that Ryan was talking about, we rough a lot of those here in Jacksonville area, and some times the owners want three dedicated 240v 40 amps circuits.

@MikeHoltNEC

3 жыл бұрын

I'm sorry, what is the point you are making?

What to do when you have GFI nuisance tripping and customer wants you to make it stop?

@MikeHoltNEC

3 жыл бұрын

If it's a breaker tripping, then replace the breaker with nonGFCI and put GFCI receptacle at the first receptacle outlet.

@ctrlaltdebug

2 жыл бұрын

Give them a non-operational GFCI lol. After 15 years, pretty much all the original GFCI receptacles in my house don't respond to the test button.

Is a Cellar, also considered a basement?

@MikeHoltNEC

8 ай бұрын

Since it's a 'cellar', it's not a 'basement.' If it was a 'basement,' then it would not be a 'cellar.' But you bring up an excellent point. I'll submit a rule change to add the word 'cellar' to this rule. Thanks.

but wait.. when I weld the amperade will set off a gfci outlet. The amps is over 40 amps. An exception needs kept.

@MikeHoltNEC

3 жыл бұрын

This is not how GFCI's work...

So all the appliances manufactured. Has to make corrections on those appliances to be able to applied code cause lot of refrigerators say. Clearly don’t install on gfci. Also what about those appliances that has a trim not easy to pull out . In that case we have to install gfci breaker?

@MikeHoltNEC

2 жыл бұрын

I don't think there are any listed appliances that are marked 'do not install on GFCI protected circuit.' So that is a moot point. The GFCI protection device is required to be readily accessible as explained in the video and NEC, and for sure a circuit breaker meets this requirement.

@melvinguzman5339

2 жыл бұрын

@@MikeHoltNEC do you want me to sent the model number so you can look at it. And by experience i been installed refrigerator on gfci outlets and trip my gfci .so lets said a go vacations i got a refrigerator full of food when i comeback all the food gone bad because a refrigerator trip the gfci. Note refrigerator is new and the refrigerator is in the garage.

@melvinguzman5339

2 жыл бұрын

I think that has to be exceptions. Who wants a refrigerator or any critical appliance on gfci , unless the appliance is safe to be installed on gfci.

@melvinguzman5339

2 жыл бұрын

Electrical Requirements Installation must comply with all applicable electrical codes. The electrical supply must be located within the shaded area shown in the illustration and chart below. A separate circuit servicing only this appliance is required. IMPORTANT NOTE: For indoor models, a ground fault cir- cuit interrupter (GFCI) is not recommended and may cause interruption of operation. For the outdoor model, a ground fault circuit interrupter (GFCI) is required to reduce the risk of electrical shock. The electrical outlet must be positioned with the ground- ing prong to the right of the thinner blades. ELECTRICAL REQUIREMENTS Electrical Supply Service Receptacle CAUTION The outlet must be checked by a qualified electrician to be sure it is wired with the correct polarity. Verify the outlet is properly grounded. WARNING Do not use an extension cord, two-prong adapter, or remove the power cord ground prong. ELECTRICAL SUPPLY LOCATION 18" Model 24" Model 27" Model 30" Model 36" Model A 6" (152) 9 1/2" (241) 11" (279) 12 1/2" (318) 15 1/2" (394)

@melvinguzman5339

2 жыл бұрын

This is refrigerator Sub Zero IC36RRH

Class A GFCI Breaker opens the circuit the moment the GFC exceeds 6 mA and it does not do so when GFC is under 4 mA. Nice! To which class the 'GFCI Breaker 30 mA' belongs? Class B or C?

@MikeHoltNEC

2 жыл бұрын

I just found the answer it's Class B with an opening setting of 20 mA.

@mahmoodmirza3301

2 жыл бұрын

I'm pleased and surprised to reading your king and favored response. Thank you so much!

@garfieldwood8315

2 жыл бұрын

@@MikeHoltNEC is your 20mA answer a typo re: Class B GFCI? The OP asked re: 30mA

Aren't all new GFCI outlets required to self test each month???

@MikeHoltNEC

4 жыл бұрын

David Eid Nope!

@davideid4002

4 жыл бұрын

@@MikeHoltNEC This new standard requires all GFCI receptacle and circuit breaker manufacturers to produce GFCIs that have an auto-monitoring (self-test) feature that ensures the device's ability to detect and trip in the event of a ground fault and provide end-of-life indication if the device can no longer perform as a GFCI.

@MikeHoltNEC

4 жыл бұрын

David Eid I don’t think so. Read the entire standard, then tell me if that is the ‘only’ method, or if it’s ‘one’ of the methods to meet the standard. If I am wrong, please give me UL standard number, and the section number supporting your statement.

@davideid4002

4 жыл бұрын

@@MikeHoltNEC yeah I read more into it doesn't test trip solenoid or contacts.

Started talking about pot and everybody was forgetful lol

Do attics require GFCI protection?

@illestofdemall13

4 жыл бұрын

@Mike Holt Thank you sir.

@lakorai2

3 жыл бұрын

Attics are not wet locations, so no. It is a good idea in case of a roof leak, but not absolutely required.

How can you GFCI a welding receptical when a welding receptical only has 2 hots and a ground. And no Neutral wire! And GFCI requires a neutral

@MikeHoltNEC

3 жыл бұрын

240V GFCI's do not need a neutral to the receptacle, just a neutral at the panel.

@lwdcrazyman

3 жыл бұрын

@@MikeHoltNEC kinda defeats the purpose of a GFCI to that outlet if its only neutralised in the panel

@MikeHoltNEC

3 жыл бұрын

@@lwdcrazyman Two pole GFCIs are disigned for a three-wire 120/240 circuit or a two-wire 240V circuit.

I'd define basement as any unfinished space below grade, or any finished space with a floor more than 3" below the lowest on or above grade door opening in the dwelling.

@MikeHoltNEC

3 жыл бұрын

I'm thinking that this is solved by the Building Official.

@WorBlux

3 жыл бұрын

@@MikeHoltNEC There's still ambiguity, take an single story home thats mostly slab on grade except one wall corner is 3ft below grade. Is the whole house a basement? Or a 2 level home with the lower level being a walk-out basement with only a 1/3 or 1/2 below the natural grade You of course wouldn't get in trouble for treating the whole thing as basement, but do you really need to? A room-level analysis might be more appropriate to the goals of the NEC than a entire floor approach. Maybe any room that either 1. Has 20% or more of the base perimeter below grade, or 2. More than 50% of the perimeter bordering other basement rooms and below grade walls. And further that any below grade wall be considered a damp location. On the other hand NEC 2033 might say to GFCi everything and then it's a moot point.

In an ac system the electrons never leave the source

@MikeHoltNEC

4 жыл бұрын

What?

Why doesn't UL and others responsible for equipment, make a requirement for equipment makers, to install integral GFCI protection for personnel that is simply testable by consumers to insure protection (similar to the monthly testing for GFCI receptacles), and serviceable and replaceable by qualified person's . In all equipment intended for, likely to be installed and/or used in locations that would require GFCI protected receptacles and/or circuits; instead of expanding the requirements in the code for electricians. Wouldn't that be a more safe, practical and in many regards effective in order to insure compliance with the latest rules?

All receptacles should be GFCI/AFCI protected and have separate circuits for lighting that are not GFCI protected.

Damm thank God for Mike i love my brother from another mother ,I'm a code expert in alb nm Anthony esparsen

No homes around me have fire alarm systems...... Not dedicated ones at least, and I'm in the Chicago suberbs.. EDIT: AND I'M NEAR SEVERAL WEALTHY SUBDIVISIONS

He tried to argue that people use commercial fire alarm systems in their house

What about a car charger

@MikeHoltNEC

4 жыл бұрын

See NEC 625.54.

is a breaker readily accessible?

@paul4800

4 жыл бұрын

Depends on where it is located. 'Readily accessible' as defined in 2020 codebook: "capable of being reached quickly for operation, renewal, or inspections without requiring those of whom ready access is requisite to take actions such as tools (other than keys), to climb over or under, to remove obstacles, or to resort to portable ladders, and so forth." If the breaker is in the panel located in the pantry, there's an argument to be made that it's readily accessible; whereas if it's in the basement panel, there's an argument to be made that it's not readily accessible.

@carultch

4 жыл бұрын

If you can walk to it, and get to it, without a tool, without a portable ladder, and without removing obstacles, it is readily accessible. You are permitted to require a key to get through a locked door or lid, but that is the only tool that gets an exception.