This is the key. Digital modelers have an inherent high end fizziness that isn’t horrible to me, but is undesirable. This fixes that. Can’t thank you enough lol

I'm impressed that you ever had tube amps. I started playing not long before digital modeling and multieffects became commonplace and affordable. In my early teens I had a fizzy sounding solid state practice amp, then I got a few pedals. Then I got a fizzy solid state combo amp that was loud enough to hear over a drummer. I've bought plenty of analog pedals since then but it's been dominated by modeling, digital multieffects and direct recording. I was born in the mid 80s for context.

Thanks for the video, this is helpful. There are a few ways to tame the high end fizz / harshness in modelers, but emulating a speaker's natural response via para-EQ seems like a very logical approach. I will try this on my next patch. Thanks again!

Thank you! I just bought a Stomp XL in an attempt to downsize from an FM9 Turbo (which is overkill for my bedroom playing) and have been frustrated trying to get it to sound nearly as good. This video certainly helps to narrow the gap!

Thanks, dad.

Thank a lot! I haven't tried this yet but your demonstration explained my experience with the high end fizz and sort of plasticky unnatural or un-amp like tone s I have been struggling with. You have a new subscriber

Super sick tip man! it sounds crazy good on my presets i have made!!

You look like Trey Anastasio. Thanks for the video!

This was very helpful!! I set my parametric eq to remove 4db at 345hz and remove 6.5 dbs at 7.5k and my patches sound and feel way better! Thanks again for sharing this.

@averagemike7554

9 ай бұрын

Awesome! Glad to hear it!

Great video. Love how you used the speaker frequency response as the foundation. New subscriber!

@sseltrek1a2b

5 ай бұрын

yeah- this makes total sense...

Great stuff. I was taming the brightness of the new stock caps by running them in parallel with the legacy cabs (which were way too dark). I'm going to try your way, I think it's clean and less DSP intensive than my way. Thanks!

@averagemike7554

10 ай бұрын

A little EQ goes a long way! Hope it’s helpful. Happy tone hunting!

That's good. I like that.

Awsome video! I needed this I use the HX stomp the same way! I have a pedalboard with drives and use the stomp for amps and have noticed that my pedals don’t sound good with all of the amps

@averagemike7554

10 ай бұрын

Glad it was helpful! Happy tone hunting!

@jasonquarles1258

10 ай бұрын

@@averagemike7554 was curious how you would do this trick with two amps?

@averagemike7554

10 ай бұрын

@jasonquarles1258 yeah I do it with my main stereo amp patch. Use a stereo parametric EQ block after your amps/cabs and experiment with the frequency and amount of cut. It’s not perfect or ideal but you can typically find a good balance.

nice vid about the importance of subtractive eq in general, but especially in the realm of modelers...i watched a vid (can't find it online anymore) about dialing in your cab sim as well, as the high end tends to be a huge source of fizziness and aggressive highs in these...is this another way to dial in speaker responses that are more like the real speakers?...

Clean 2 definitely sounded better with the EQ on, but much of that was also the added clarity from the -4dB mud cut at 345Hz that you didn't discuss. The other examples had 0dB on the low EQ.

@averagemike7554

10 ай бұрын

Yeah that a good point. That particular patch is the one I used the most and I’ve adjusted the EQ to the humbuckers I usually use.

Great tip! Works really well with Helix cabs. Do you use similar approach with amp captures/profiles? And what about running a real tube amp through loadbox and simulating mic’d cab with impulse response? Same eq concept?

@averagemike7554

2 ай бұрын

Just depends on the situation and the IR or speaker sim that’s being used. But yes, those EQs are shared with most guitar speakers.

Would you mind uploading some of these presets?

Nice video, AM. What I wonder is how is it that this isn't already taken into account in the default presets/cabs/IRs? The folks that created the modeling algorithms and did the work of creating the patches know about EQ curves, have good ears, and lots of gear to measure/compare/view frequencies between the modeler and the real gear they're modeling.

@averagemike7554

9 ай бұрын

Yeah man idk 🤷‍♂️. There was a massive improvement with the 3.5 cab update. But ultimately it depends on the amp or cab model. There are so many factors that go into what the “tone” is, including our own perception and “ear”. But I’m just going by my ear and what sounds right to me 🤷‍♂️. Thanks for the comment, brother!

@MarkSchuster-ym3iy

9 ай бұрын

I was gonna say the latest upgrade 3.5 has mad the cabs more useable. There’s soooooooo many ir out there and I wasn’t going to spend a bunch of money experimenting. So far i think helix is amazing

@MarkSchuster-ym3iy

9 ай бұрын

I have in real life a Marshall 412 with 1970s greenback 25 watt 16 ohm and the big one instead of 75 hz its the rare 55 hz Jimmy Hendrix favorite. Anyway the modeled version to the real green back is pretty close except the modeled is 75 hz. Late 1950s through early 1970s they didnt make the large amount of bass speakers as they did starting in the 1980s with all the 410 cabs i got my 4 12 inch green backs from a 1979s acoustic cabinet considered for guitar and bass use. Clean tones are amazing as well as driven. I paid 100 bucks from a little music store full of vintage gear. The speakers alone re worth 300 to 500 usd each. So if you find an acoustic cab with 4 aluminum dust cones get it.

@MarkSchuster-ym3iy

9 ай бұрын

Ive owned every line 6 modeler from the bean to the DT the x3 the hd pro x and with each product the firmware upgrades were very few. With the helix each new upgrade i like a new piece of kit. This i think will keep the helix going for years. Because its base system seemed designed to change and adding without having to change the hardware. Lots of io its just a wonderful modeler. This is why used helix the few that are out there seem to only drop a couple hundred bucks unless its beat up. Ive been looking to find a helix floor used and they hang around 1100 bucks the lt 750. The rack I’ve seen go a little cheaper but thats becausevyou need to purchase a 450 dollar floor controller i dont think you can use the FBV floor units with helix.

@MarkSchuster-ym3iy

9 ай бұрын

Correction above i typed dt i meant xt

Bought some of your presets, so good! I heard you mentioning in other videos, but can't find where. But what is the reason/benefit of using the eq instead of just using the high/low cuts on your IRs/stock cabs?

@averagemike7554

8 ай бұрын

Awesome man. The goal is too cut out the unnatural or yucky frequencies while still keeping the high end presence or “air” that guitar speakers naturally have. In my experience, if you just run a high cut at 7.5k, it kinda neuters the tone. But it’s all amp model/situation dependent. Just my thought process. Thanks for reaching out!

@hellqvisten

7 ай бұрын

Thank you for sharing! Will try both and see what best suits my band :) @@averagemike7554

What are your compressor settings? It seems that you have that nailed really well also. Unless I am just hearing things? Great video though!

@averagemike7554

9 ай бұрын

Thanks man! My compressor is usually set with the compression and blend just a touch under half way, about 11 o’clock and volume just a tiny bit over unity.

Any ideas for the podgo my global EQ looks different. My laptop crapped out so just editing from the board controls.

@averagemike7554

10 ай бұрын

You should be able to pull up a parametric eq block after your amp/cab. Then it’s just a matter of dialing in a cut using that instead of the global EQ. As I mentioned, I start with a 3-6db cut at 7.5k, Q of 1.5-2. Then adjust to taste.

@davidforsythe8231

10 ай бұрын

@@averagemike7554 thanks for the info!

@averagemike7554

10 ай бұрын

@@davidforsythe8231 good luck!

Wouldn't it be better to use high cut on your cab instead, then it wouldn't take up an extra block. oh by the way are you using ear buds for monitoring, or blue tooth, if so how and what kind? thanks for your response.

@averagemike7554

10 ай бұрын

If you were just using the high cut, yes. But since I’m making specific cuts at certain frequencies I chose to do it all in the EQ block. Yes I’m using the ear buds to monitor. KZ AS10s. I’ve really enjoyed them over the past few years.

@legalprime2645

7 ай бұрын

​@@averagemike7554 Hi, what about latency? When I last tried bluetooth headphones (a few years ago), latency was unplayable. Sorry for bad English.

do you have any high gain patches?

@averagemike7554

10 ай бұрын

Not yet but I’ve been working on some medium and high gain tones inspired by the 2000s guitar tones we all know and love 😉

Strange that almost everyone dials out all bottom and all top to get rid of 'digital' sound, when it would be super easy for the progammers to do so............why do they leave in fizzyness? I'm thinking, it depends on what your listening to your tones out of. Some high end speakers can deal with 6-8K much better than cheaper speakers.

@averagemike7554

3 ай бұрын

Ahhh interesting thought! I could definitely see that

here's an idea: get a real amp!