These lights will be useful as I walk and bumble down the trail.

@dominicotis-aubut2724

8 ай бұрын

I’m pretty sure I could guess one of the videos you watched prior to this one…

@caturocaturo

8 ай бұрын

I prefer no lights, this way no one has to see me bumble down the trail.

@sawyermarch

8 ай бұрын

Soft.

@alexisonbike3652

8 ай бұрын

Yeah and if you want to put it on youtube ... maybe don't do that

@taylordarion3477

8 ай бұрын

@@alexisonbike3652absolutely don’t that would be stupid from you

Running a Monteer 8000S on my Altitude when bumbling down the trails here in Maine and it is a game changer from what I had in the 90’s (basically nothing).

it seems everyone here is bumbling down trails now : )

I use a couple Magic Shine lights, RN1500's, on the bar and helmet. I run them both at the middle setting (not sure what the brightness is) and they work great! I'd upload a video, but I can only bumble down the trail.

@jasonmarshall5593

8 ай бұрын

Definitely best to save the bandwidth :P

@HUKIT.

8 ай бұрын

Well played sir, well played indeed…fellow bumbler.

@notmmmbopp

8 ай бұрын

Touché fellow trail bumbler.

@tbc_mtb

8 ай бұрын

Bumblers unite, Bumbling activated!

@Caterpillar_1967

8 ай бұрын

me too! I have the same setup! These lights are sooo great!!!

As a generally bumbling rider who nonetheless rides about 4 days a week, including weekly night rides, I actually support the bike industry with purchases of things like bike lights. What would be helpful for me to know is whether super-bright lights like the Magic Shine ones, which come with the drawback of external batteries, are better than, for example, the Outbound Lighting ones, which are supposedly engineered to get more out of their fewer lumens and don't require cables. Also, a general comment: As I've learned in recent years, you need more light as you get older--at 51 I have started using reading glasses, but my riding just keeps getting faster, which means I struggle more at night because my eyes don't focus as quickly as they used to.

@Caterpillar_1967

8 ай бұрын

Not all Magicshine lights need an external battery to work. The 12,000 lumens one needs an external battery because, since the light consumes so much power, it would be way too bulky to incorporate the battery to it. I use 2 Magicshine RN1500 lights (total of 3000 lumens). One on my helmet and the other one on my handlebars. Both have integrated batteries that will last 1h40mins at maximum power (1500 lumens). They run great. They're waterproof and don't weight too much. One of the best purchase I have ever made!

@rinky_dinky

8 ай бұрын

You lucky bastard..4 times a week ? As a dad to young children, I get once a week if I'm lucky

@wryanturner

8 ай бұрын

@@rinky_dinky Hang in there--mine are in their late teens. They dress themselves, can make toast on their own, etc. All of which, combined with working from home down the street from good trails, makes more riding possible.Just don't kid yourself into thinking you're going to go on legit rides WITH the kids. There's a six-minute window maximum between when they CAN ride with you and when they no longer WILL tolerate your slowness.

Hey Pinkbike. I'm an average rider who bumbles occasionally. Is it OK for me to use these lights or are they for good riders only?

@LEL7567-ABCDEF

8 ай бұрын

no you cant, because you are wasting them 🤣

@taylordarion3477

8 ай бұрын

Haha love this comment section

@SteveFullerBikes

8 ай бұрын

If you're posting your bumbling to KZread, then you should definitely keep the lights off so we don't have to watch you.

@streetpigeonmtb

8 ай бұрын

@SteveFullerBikes aw mate. But I bumble so much. Damn, if only I could've been a racer. I'm definitely thinking of deleting my videos to free up some space for these guys on the KZread servers 👌

@SteveFullerBikes

8 ай бұрын

@@streetpigeonmtb 🤪

This is great for me to bumble more down a line. This time with more accidents!

Can I use these to bumble down a trail or are the gate kept for good riders only?

@plmn93

8 ай бұрын

If you ain't racing, you shouldn't be out there.

@igginatz

8 ай бұрын

Only for the pro. I use candles to bumble down..much more fun.

Best part of night rides is not having to worry about bumble bees

how many lumens does it take to prevent me from bumbling down the trail?

I prefer to bumble blindly through the dark.

@993cupswe

8 ай бұрын

watch out so you dont bumbling over Henry crying in the dark ;)

Though the test shows a very clear corolation between lumens and early ability to spot obstacles, I don't think this test was conducted with the best degree of realism. What I mean by that is you have personally positioned the cones, which means you know exactly what to expect and when to expect it. This has got to impact the outcome of the test. But out there you don't always know what's coming, and sometimes you will go on trails you've rarily been, meaning you don't always know what or when to expect little surprises to pop up. Just wanted to mention that. Otherwise, great stuff.

@sufyanm4661

6 ай бұрын

Well with night riding (in my opinion) you should always ride trails you know somewhat well, otherwise it’s just adding an insane element of risk to an already risky sport being performed in the dark of night

Ahh yes, mountain bumbling at night.

This doesnt need to be uploaded and take up valuable gigabytes on the internet. Should leave it to only the most elite navy seals with the best night vision goggles.

Great for bumbling, might f around upload some amateur footage later, even though deep down, ill never be a racer

Does anyone know where I can buy a bumble meter that auto turns off your GoPro when you are not riding like a pro

I'm 65. Outbound lighting system is the best I've used. I have used others but are less useful in either mounting or lighting capabilities. Road bikes? Fine, whatever you brought, as long as it's not pointing into oncoming traffic. Trail? Helmet and bar lights with enough options for needs is the ticket. As always, the more ambient light, the more light output your from devices and the more focused. Pitch black, cloudy skies and you can see everything you need with less output, and less focus. Like riding in a tunnel, what you can't see isn't an issue. Except when it runs from the dark into your path, so keep scanning the edges to keep from being taken out by a critter on a dare from it's buddies.

@KlimChugunkin888

7 ай бұрын

Думаю если поездка не по шоссе,то широкая равномерная заливка светом важна,чтобы не было эффекта тоннельного зрения - вся периферия должна восприниматься глазом.Когда очень облачное небо,оно работает.как рассеиватель лунного света и отражатель всех огней отражённых от поверности земли(городские огни и подобное),а в полнолуние если не в лесу,то можно и без света ехать..

If you're a pro racer there is no need for lights. Lights are for bumbling wanna bes.

I personally prefer having the stronger light on my helmet, its easy to stash the battery in bag or a pocket so your helmet doesn't feel too heavy. I'd rather have more control over the stronger light, the handlebar light is less important. But then again I don't use 12000 lumen lights, 2200 on the helmet and 1000 on the bars is more than enough imo.

Night riding is a blast! My buddy and I just rode Drop the Hammer (Bentonville, AR) in the dark. Video on my channel.

@taylordarion3477

8 ай бұрын

Hum hum according to Henry you shouldn’t post videos of you bumbling down the trail. Get a life 😂😉

@JustJake77

8 ай бұрын

You're wasting valuable gigabytes!

@993cupswe

8 ай бұрын

Just go BUMBLING over Henry

This is some high-quality, bumbling content....

I particularly like the ambiance of the video with the truck and tree lit up purple, I do like night riding but the bumble factor is high... where's that campfire ?

Good video thanks

Thanks for the info. Now I can bumble in the dark too

Sometimes too much light/lumens is not very good. Above all when it is too focused. This can illuminate the path too much which makes some elements less visible. And even reflected light can cause glare. Therefore, light distribution is more important.

@KlimChugunkin888

7 ай бұрын

Да,равномерная заливка светом и очень важным считаю раскрытия луча по горизонту порядка 170 градусов(чтобы не пропустить любой резкий поворот).P.S.Также температура света играет роль,особенно.когда влажно или в туман.

I go low power on the bar and higher on the helmet, and even at that, the head mount one I use is only maybe 3000. And if I don't have the bar mount one it doesn't really bother me. I rode without the bar mount light all last winter. That said, we've been riding these trails at night for 15 years, so we kinda know what's coming up 🙂

I find that too many lumens destroys my night vision which makes my peripheral and long distance vision worse. I usually only ride at night in the winter when there is snow on the ground and speeds are relatively low. You don't need to light up a football field to ride safely and confidently in those conditions. Less light is is easier on my eyes and the battery lasts a lot longer.

@graemelow7516

4 ай бұрын

You lose contrast at these high outputs as well - 12,000 lumens (even Chinese lumens) gives you a washed out all white trail and would drive anyone in front of you nuts!

How did the fire and chair fit in the frame storage? PB is allergic to riding packs so please show us how she fitted it all in

Not a significant enough difference between 2200 and 12000 lumens to make that a viable option. If you can’t safely ride with 2000 laments, stick to daytime.

Sweet production value! High five for directing, presenting and editing.

Got rid of my super bright cree lights (amazon bought) and replaced it with Outbound.. properly directed beam of light and not blinding.

I rode a local trail with a mate at night once. Afterwards, we loaded the bikes on the car roof facing forward & left the lights on. When we drove home I turned the car headlights off to see if I could drive using the bike lights on the roof. I could! Perfectly well ! 😆

Great video! Love to see Christina bringing the awesome content! Usually more lumens means more money, so would you recommend going for a helmet and handlebar set with lower lumens or max out on one higher lumen light?

More light, more better!

Have been running 2000 lumens on the bars and 1000 lumens on the helmet for 4+ years. 3000 lumens total is a ton of light, brighter than any car headlights at shorter distances. More than enough light for riding at any speed. I have yet to come across another rider with a brighter setup. Light & Motion make great lights at decent prices, but the battery life could use some work.

Prefer wide and stong light on the handlebar and weaker and more of a spotlight on the helmet. Then you got more shadows on roots and rocks. If the helmet light is to stong you dont get a depth in the seen. Its like a picture taken with a flash, no dept.

All my Magicshine batteries stop working for no reason and they only warranty them for 6 months.

Lumens is great and everything but we also need to look at candela to accurately measure how far we can see down the trail.

why is everyone talking about bumpling

@JerOutlaw

8 ай бұрын

Don’t feed the ‘gulls

@taylordarion3477

8 ай бұрын

On the pb podcast Henry and kas said that people who aren’t pro racers shouldn’t post videos on KZread because they are useless and a waste of time. As you can see this backfired quite a lot after the Loam ranger’s video which is worth checking out

@erikd6124

8 ай бұрын

​@@taylordarion3477PBs videos are full of errors and are usually quite shallow compared to smaller KZread channels with "bumbling" riders.

@wesdizz6297

8 ай бұрын

@@erikd6124 then why do you watch them?

I live in northern Norway and use headlamps a lot. This video was ok, but it leaves a lot unmentioned. Regarding lumen they do not appear to be comparable from brand to brand. The quality of the light cone is vastly different aswell. Quality lights are expensive (well not really in the long run), but offer much better customer service and longevity. I used to run Magicshines but they fade a lot compared to better quality like eg Lupine. Regarding the amount of light needed, more speed = more light.

The magicshines have supposedly been fairly reliable for people. I however have had two bad ones from new last year. I ended up getting a warnaty replacement and selling it as many of the rides not having light when I need it can land you in a dangerous situation. More important then lumens is reliability and having a back up if venturing further from home.

I have the expensive gloworm lights. My homie has outbound. After trying them both I would say outbound is better. And considerably cheaper. Lumens ain’t everything.

Well how am I supposed to bumble down the hill now? All my night bumbling comes from not being able to see…..

If the skunks, opossums, big cats, bears and raccoons retinas aren’t fried, it’s not bright enough.

I just set up a 6d 12v light bar on my bike power by drill battery cost me £25 brighter than any of these expensive lights

At 4:30 , the light appears to be about 800 lumens and the battery life of 85 hours is questionable , as the presenter didn't specify the power source particulars for this claim to be justifiable .

Very well put together video. I did a lot of night riding and you were very spot on with the type riding you did with night lights.

Can these lights be good for XC trails or is that just bumbling

Bumbled down here just for comments

I don’t think it’s a good idea to record yourself bumbling with these lights. You are filling up KZread with videos of lights.

Im to much of a bumbling beginner to worry about riding in the dark, il save my time for bumbling down beginner green runs.

My experience is that you need 3000-3500 lumens combined for most “trail” riding (10-15mph) and at least 5500 lumen if your descending at speed (+15mph). Buying quality lights is a buy once cry once kinda thing.

12000 lumens is way too much. You actually just enough output as you need for your speed in order to still have contrast. With too much light you overexpose right in front and everything else disappears. About 1500 on the bars and a more focused one on the helmet is good

These KZreadr mtb content creators always trying to be racers it makes me sick leave it to the pros

@Rebelscum985

8 ай бұрын

🤔

Hilarious how people are so butt hurt about something someone they don't care about said 6 weeks ago.

Personally, 2x 2100 lumen spread on the bike and 2000 lumen spot on the helmet. Overkill but I haven't ridden into a tree yet 😂

Great video Chappetta.

Using the wrong light setting.. should use the actual floodlight that lights up the entire area instead of the spotlight (what it calls the floodlight- which it isn't)

Orbea bikes now?

Understand the lighting rationale of putting a light on a helmet, though that light is now a cranial hammer should you go down.

Lumens are the industry's marketing hype; easy to manipulate, no standardized distance for measurement, varies extremely with lens designs. Candela is the proper measurement of light-throw capability.

@erikd6124

8 ай бұрын

Magicshine measures Cd too. Candela doesn't say anything about beam spread.

@exothermal.sprocket

8 ай бұрын

@@erikd6124 I think this explanation is one of the best I've found yet: /watch?v=pkO44wc0bfo

Here for the comments 🍿

@mtbsc016

8 ай бұрын

same

@michaelcyclemtb

8 ай бұрын

lol me too!

Are these light ok for the average loser rider like myself? I wouldn't want to bumble my way through the trails in the dark anymore than I have already. PINK BIKE SUCKS

@erikd6124

8 ай бұрын

Don't you dare post a riding video! Loser! //PB

@wesdizz6297

8 ай бұрын

lol you guys are so sensitive.

Man y'all really took the bumbling shit to heart 😂 Time to cancel Henry & Kaz.

At least we can trust Cristina to not gatekeep trail riding, right?

What's the point in only isolating the bar light? In my experience the head lamp is more valuable for wayfinding and spotting obstacles. Why not do isolated tests of each, head and bar light, to decide which are more useful in what kinds of situations? Then you could do a combined test to demonstrate the value of both. Also, no one was mad about the podcast until the loam Ranger pointed it out, these comments are hilarious but get a life. Whether or not you agree with Kaz and Henry's comments really doesn't matter, people are allowed to have opinions and no one should be expected to be perfect.

I tried so many lights its sad 😂 Beam pattern and kelvin range are both more important than total lumens I've actually found one good inexpensive light(Infun GT200)with a nice wide and diffused beam+ no hot spot like with the magic shine and other lights Outbound Trail Evo is probably imo still the best beam pattern in the market with its width, but I feel id. Still want two lol. I ended up doing dual Baja designs S1 wide angle amber lens powered my an M18 battery mounted to water bottle cage. I see objects and trail details better with a Selective yellow/amber light than I do with any white (warm/neutral/cool hue) light Now moving them to my helmet and adding morimoto 2 banger wide on bar(fog light) for the street/gravel I'm finally rigging up a power switch now for the bajas Great video BTW .

800 plenty'

Riding rough trails... at night... at speed... smart?

Why not just let nature rest for the night? Animals need at least this time of the day to do their things nad not be scared by use mountain bikers

@paul--b

8 ай бұрын

Stay home at daytime as well, so you don’t disturb nocturnal animals

How is this test a test? You knew everytime where the item is, where to look. The more you ride starting from lowest brightness to max, the more you can see AND ALREADY KNOW. What a horrible AD.

Well, of course, only lighting engineers should grace the internet with their radiant wisdom about illuminating subjects. Because who else could possibly shed light on such electrifying topics? I suspect that this person in video is whit out any degree in any engineering field. Plese kindly keep Internet free from nonprofessional gigabits

Omg. The loam ranger video is so righteous. Come on folks. Henry and Kaz don't hate us mortals. Give them a break.

I think you need all the lumens if your hardcore sending it. If you're just bumbling, you shouldn't be riding at night. I'm being sarcastic. Who made you god and think you have the right to tell people what they can and can't do?

you guys aren't good enough riders to post on youtube. based on your suggestions, you should leave it to the pros.

where is that public apology guys we are waiting to hell with elitist and gatekeepers - professional trail bumbler

You keep using quotation marks when you whan to "empathise" something. I don't think you know what they are really "mean". Anyhow, I am not a "pro racer" so I shouldn't be out here commenting on "youtube".

Pinkbike Sux, don't put anymore MTB videos on social media

Unfortunately here in the uk bike theft is at an all time high , on dark paths and trails at night the more lumens and light throw the better , for two reasons , if you have 8000 lumens like the magicshine monteer , you can see at least 200 yards in front of you , if there are a few thieving bastards waiting to mug you at least you have an option to turn back if you spot them in the dark , also , if the same twats jump out on you at close range this level of power cripples the retina , so at least you might have a chance at escaping , so more power the better ,