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@teru797

2 жыл бұрын

Would be more interested in joining a patreon if you weren't so anti-german just for the sake of being anti german. Because as we all know, every single german was bad/evil right? This show isn't trying to show them as the "good guys" as it is to show there are multiple levels of good and bad throughout the german army. They weren't all evil.

@Tony.795

2 жыл бұрын

@@teru797 I think the whole thing should be watched in order to make a reasonable judgement not just a compilation of a couple of scenes.

@yaquvs8540

2 жыл бұрын

What an idiot it whenever, whenever the Americans are portrayed as good soldiers. Germans couldn't decide whether they would go to war or not! they deserve the same respect as the Americans and co.

@helgi1921

2 жыл бұрын

If I remember correctly, the Soviet with the pistol is a commisar and after being interogated the lt is ordered to take him to the woods and shoot him. Which he does

@DynamicDurge

2 жыл бұрын

Big oof

There’s a difference in studying military tactics and history and having experience. You seem to dislike little things like the LT moving first or the Russian missing with his pistol. These things are extremely realistic in combat. You are looking at everything “by the book” when war is not like that at all.

@charles5895

2 жыл бұрын

Order can be lost in the chaos of battle, not everything goes by the book. Things like shell shock, gas attacks, low morale, incompetent officers, can all lead to organisation and order breaking down and men just be fighting for their own lives.

@scheie2683

2 жыл бұрын

Well said

@erikwilschewski4810

2 жыл бұрын

When the battle starts there is no plan anymore

@ottersirotten4290

2 жыл бұрын

I dunno, HL did Interviews with a sh*** Ton of WWII Vets

@jackhammer0925

2 жыл бұрын

@@ottersirotten4290 that has nothing to do with experience. I tell my sister plenty of stories, she’ll never know the little things or actual lifestyle.

This might come to you as a suprise, but it was common for officers to lead by example during WWII. Also, expecting that everything would be carried out perfectly by the book during the biggest war in human history is a simplistic way of looking at history. Also, the series does not depict the germans as the good guys. They depict them as humans.

@Myuutsuu85

2 жыл бұрын

@Тепляха Don't even start to suggest that the russians behaved any better.

@Darkey23

2 жыл бұрын

@Тепляха You're full of shit. If all Germans were genociding Nazis, all Russians were murdering Bolshewiks. All sides committed atrocities yet the vast majority of combatants got drafted and fought because they had to, not out of some ideological conviction. Suggesting anything different is ignorant.

@Poopoopeepee217

2 жыл бұрын

@Тепляха so you’re willing to say that most Russians were anti communist but in the same breath say all Germans wanted to eradicate Slavs. Do you really not see the hypocrisy in your statement?

@alteye1

Жыл бұрын

He is not wrong however, it's very reckless for an officer to charge in first (and doesn't really do much for the situation). Being a rather fresh 2LT myself, you learn relatively quickly that it's not your job to be at the very front and get into contact with the enemy directly. Quite the opposite, you're supposed to direct the entire platoon, which necessitates that you stand (at least a little) further back, where you have an easier time grasping the bigger picture and adapt to the situation as it changes in the heat of battle. The platoon leader practically never fires his weapon - his main weapon is his radio, and, by extension, his men. Plus the obvious fact that once the platoon leader dies, there's a serious hole in the leadership. Then again, all this is "by the book". I'm sure that in battle, such things can happen. Still doesn't make it a good idea for an officer to charge in first. But then there's also doctrine of course, which might have been different in the Wehrmacht. Personally, I still find it's a sensible principle not to expose an element leader to the most danger. Same way I don't want my squad leaders to be the first to enter a room when clearing a building.

@moneymaykerhustler

Жыл бұрын

@@Myuutsuu85 why would they behave badly on their own land?

The LMG is to be seen in the background, the protagonist just has the role of a assistant machine gunner.

@MRrealmadridRaul

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah you can see the LMG right behind Wilhelm

@ornis1895

2 жыл бұрын

Still doesnt explain why they didnt deploy it to provide surpressive fire.

@tramlink8544

2 жыл бұрын

@@ornis1895 this was supposed to be a mop up of stragglers hiding in the factory. the MG is usefull in more open terrain but its more hindered in the rubble, urban terrain. it limits its deployability, not to mention on a bipod you wont be able to aim high enough if you encounter forces on a higher ground level. in a defence the MG is perfect in such a scenario, as the russian show. but in an offense it severly looses its value. you saw how high up the enemy was. to be able to aim that high with bipod deployed youll need to use cover thats tall, which will expose you more easily to any other potenial enenmies. Rifle section with an MP40 to give cover is the right choice here

@koreancowboy42

Жыл бұрын

@@tramlink8544 yep and to find favorable positioning of the MG will be hard even if you plant the MG on something it'll never be stable compared to being planted on the streets and such.

@pepqcat3169

Жыл бұрын

don't blame him hes using one eye (:

This series clearly doesn't portray the germans as the "good guys"... if you would continue to watch, you would see that the commissar is indeed interrogated and then Wilhelm gets the order to shoot him, so he will be executed. Later the germans are also sending civilians through a mine field. The series simply tries to portray normal germans during that time. Contrary to Hollywood believe, not all german soldiers were fanatic monsters... They go to the eastern front as normal soldiers, but quickly learn that this is a war of ideologies, in which you have only two options: 1. go along and lose your humanity 2. die

@teru797

2 жыл бұрын

What do you expect for someone who didn't even watch the movie. He literally just pulled the battle scene that is on youtube and commented on that.

@teutonicknight2015

2 жыл бұрын

In his mind he thinks Russia was the good guys clearly both sides was bad good men are forced to do terrible things for their country

@BigJo95

2 жыл бұрын

You cant expect youtube reviewers to see the whole thing they are reviewing

@solidurr

2 жыл бұрын

They didnt send civilians, they were partisans. The german considered them like volunteering soldiers basically

@derin111

2 жыл бұрын

@@BigJo95 yes….they’re too busy making the videos to monetise the content to actually watch what they are reviewing.

I think you went a little far to say that this series want to show the Germans as 'the good guys'. Far from it. Yes I was surprised that they opted not to throw a grenade into the room for whatever reason. Maybe the objective was to take prisoners. The lieutenant actually executed the political officer later which constitutes a war crime. As i mentioned in my earlier comment labeling into god or bad doesn't do justice to the series and so does the reduced tactical view on the action. It's the human story that matters most. thank you

@ACM1PT95

2 жыл бұрын

I agree

@francescoguzzetta

2 жыл бұрын

Well, actually it portraits German soldiers like normal human beings, rather than fanatic evil nazi robots (like it happens in almost any WW2 movie). Maybe he meant this "humanization" of the characters as "good guys"...

@petermock553

2 жыл бұрын

@@francescoguzzetta it’s a fine line and very much discussed in Germany but it is necessary. A masterpiece is ‚the downfall‘ where for the first time the attempt was made to show a ‚human‘ side of Hitler. I think the actor Bruno Ganz deserved an Oscar for his almost impossible performance. Germany was finally ready for this new approach and people understood that it was necessary to keep the memory of fascism alive and not let it drift into the legend of ‚the evil that once happened‘. Fascism never shows it’s ugly face at the beginning as we can see again today …

@wenqiweiabcd

2 жыл бұрын

It's a bit more than that. The series was trying to draw a sharp dividing line between ordinary Germans (including the Wehrmacht) and the Nazi institutions such as the Waffen SS. Here in this scene, Wehrmacht soldiers are honourable to a fault, and when Winter has to kill the Commissar later, it's clearly something that was imposed on the men by the "Nazis". People take issue with this series because the idea that the Wehrmacht wasn't involved extensively with Nazi ideology and atrocities in Eastern Europe is a myth that should have died in the 70s.

@torinjones3221

2 жыл бұрын

When it comes to fascism vs communism the fascists are the good guys.

"Generation War" des not wann to Show the Germans as the "good guys". The main character, in this scene Wilhelm Winter, is soldier who does his duty but with a lieutenant's courage and bravery. The whole movie shows the process of young people's corumption through the war. A young officer wo wants to fight with a litten humanity in a brutal war has to understand that a war like this leaves basically no option for being a good person. Through the entire movie he has conflicts with has superiors and their actions and treatments of the civillians.

@knallm1chboll3r29

2 жыл бұрын

@Тепляха and this is bad or what?

@petermock553

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Konstantin, I would even go a step further. The series depicts these young people as both victims and perpetrators of WW2. The simplification into "good" or "bad" doesn't work. And that is the real quality of the modern German perspective on the war and also our (I am German) historical 'curse'; because these people are our mothers and fathers! If we want or not we have to relate to them in order to live with this part of our history. The series is also called "Unsere Mütter, unsere Väter", translated "Our mothers, our fathers" which says it all.

@ACM1PT95

2 жыл бұрын

In this show they show two sides of the German army

@sonnymp1337

2 жыл бұрын

@Тепляха racist army. Ye sure russians were a army of archangels ya faddas suord boi

@oreopack9692

2 жыл бұрын

@Тепляха yeah they instead wanted to enslave all of eastern Europe

The German armed forces did believe in leading from the front. This made them very effective tactically. It also cost them a lot of officers. I mean even Generals like Rommel went on frontline scouting patrols.

This series doesn't portray the Germans as "the good guys" in any way. It is a story about five childhood friends and what the war does to them mentally. The reason why Wilhelm seems so decent is mainly due to two reasons: First off, one of those five friends is a Jew. Because of that, their group is more like on the liberal side in terms of mindset. Secondly, while Wilhelm is the "good son" of the family for being a proper soldier and officer, his brother Friedhelm is the black sheep for being a philosopher and pacifist. Wilhelm feels sorry for how Friedhelm is treated by their father and always tries to protect him, while Friedhelm himself looks up to Wilhelm in some way. Wilhelm is constantly worried about that their relationship would suffer under his decisions when they were serving together, so he kinda treads carefully there and does everything that is actually allowed by law to avoid war crimes and barbarism - things that might have been better for the war effort, but were not appreciated in any way by his brother. SPOILER inc: In this series, we mostly see how each of those five friends become the opposite of who they were in the beginning. Wilhelm realises the futility of war and that honor is a lie, therefore he becomes a deserter. Friedhelm accepts the fact that his fantasies of peace and fine arts are nothing more but a dream, which leads him to become a coldhearted killer that even shoots children in the back without remorse if that's what his commanding officers ask of him. Charlotte, who is all bubbly and cheery in the beginning, sees the atrocities of war first hand when she volunteered as a nurse, thus becoming a rather unsmiling person. Greta, a proud stage hog who doesn't mince her words in front of NSDAP officials has to learn the hard way that she isn't invunerable. Lastly, Victor, the Jew, changes from simply wanting to leave for the USA and live a peaceful live to wanting to take revenge on the Germans. The end is bittersweet and holds a message for everyone, no matter where you're from. As an Austrian with quiet a few relatives left that lived and fought during the 2nd WW, this series matches pretty much every story my grandfathers and their fathers had told me so far and to this day, this was the only movie they were unable to watch until the end. It was too emotionally taxing for them, other than the usual Hollywood movie about WW2.

@greenlime1997

2 жыл бұрын

Beautifully worded post! I couldn't agree more with what you said, as an American this series really hit home with me, the character Friedhelm in particular was so tragic but I thought in the end when he self-sacrifices himself, it might've been a way to amend the terrible wrongs he had committed during the war. He felt that he couldn't live himself and that the only way to reconcile his sins was to pay....with his own life. American war films don't portray this kind of gritty realism of war that Unsere Mütter Unsere Väter shows, which is a shame because oftentimes I feel many people in my country like to glorify war as patriotic and courageous.

@symongotschin5751

2 жыл бұрын

Indeed man, it shows the horror of the war what it will do with you and its absolutly not a movie that says "GO GERMANY RUSSIANS BAD"every side has their bad sides but the victors get away with it

@History Legends Animated: German officers were encouraged to always lead by example, no matter how high the risk. Yes it was costly, but otherwise your typical Hans would just sit around and wonder what he does 1400 km away from home. And the series doesn't portray german soldiers as good guys but simply as humans. You should definitely read into the topic of "Hiwi" (Hilfswillige) to get at least a grasp of the relations between the german & russian soldiers.

@moritzadams5417

2 жыл бұрын

Or he could just have looked at the German zehn Gebote für die Kriegsführung des deutschen Soldaten

People don’t like it when a movie or tv show portrays a German soldier as anything other than a heartless killing machine.

@abrahamgn3614

Ай бұрын

Maybe because that's what they were

@Landshark4008

Ай бұрын

@@abrahamgn3614retard

@JedrekWojciech

28 күн бұрын

@@abrahamgn3614 your kind of ignorance is a disease...

@mok-cb6no

23 күн бұрын

Irai???? 😂😂😂😂😂​@@abrahamgn3614

Make no mistake, generation war does NOT portray the german soldiers as good guys.

@gillesdupouy8357

3 жыл бұрын

What I was thinking

@orclover2353

2 жыл бұрын

Of course it does...it doesn't have the main characters shooting woman "partisans" in Poland, nor does it have them participate at all in the holocaust, or genocide of Russian soldiers. It basically has them act honorably in combat, notice a few "weird" things going on around them, and then get broken by losing the war, not by war itself. Representing 10 million soldiers is complicated because we now know these soldiers were shielding some of the worst behaviors of human history, they didn't necessarily know this until late in the war, and then they had the choice of death in battle or starvation in a camp. But the consequences of their actions were some of the worst abuses in history of humanity, whether they knew it or not.

@Jun-rn3td

2 жыл бұрын

@@orclover2353 Have you seen all of it?

@teru797

2 жыл бұрын

@@gillesdupouy8357 It's not surprising for someone who didnn't even watch the movie. He literally just pulled the battle scene that is on youtube and commented on that.

@average_psyop_enjoyer

2 жыл бұрын

@@orclover2353 you didn’t watch the full movie clearly lol they had civilians walking through a minefield and portrayed a few other war crimes

It seems this guy didn’t watch the full series or the concept of it went way over his head.

You seem to have read a lot of books and combat reports given by officers, but I personally would look at footage from recent conflicts to get an idea of how soldiers act and behave. Not everything is done by the book. Blind firing, messing up grenade trows, freezing when coming face to face with an enemy, failing to clear up jams in the middle of combat, things like that happen all the time, especially with conscript armies like the ones of WW2.

@historylegends

2 жыл бұрын

100%. I’m aware of that. I interviewed hundreds of veterans, and I’ve heard the craziest stories. I understand what you mean.

@absolutfreeman1033

2 жыл бұрын

@@historylegends no you obviously knows nothing about this one, if youtube shows the dislike buttons, it should me more than the like

@drbulba

2 жыл бұрын

@@absolutfreeman1033 its actually about 3/1 on likes to dislikes. likes being the 3, but i agree

@Venator-Class_Star_Destroyer

Жыл бұрын

@@historylegends bro you got trolled on bye the comments

@historylegends

Жыл бұрын

@@Venator-Class_Star_Destroyer no

Your criticism of the Lieutenant in this situation is not entirely justified. Sure, he's "more important" than the rest of the men, but back in the day German Officers fought directly on the frontline with their men to give a moral boost and to show them that no matter the rank, they're all in the same boat. Also, it was often an ego decision.

@gabrielegenota1480

2 жыл бұрын

source?

@OogaBooga-tq7jc

Жыл бұрын

@@gabrielegenota1480 Wehrmacht military doctrine?

To understand the German perspective of the war you have to understand how Germans look at the war today and what the culture was at the time. You wont get far if you approach it with a foreign view I am afraid. I am not trying to lecture I merely share with you my experience as a German on that matter. German war movies dont portrait heros (maybe the movie the red baron is an exception) but rather try to give a glimpse of the reality of the men that fought without underlying patriotic message. The message is rather to understand history to not repeat it. You were surprised why the officer led from the front. That is actually historically correct. The lieutenant is in front because it was military doctrine of the Wehrmacht to lead from the front which resulted in higher moral and the efficient leadership for which the German army was famous. But also in a high casualty rate amongst the lower ranking officers.

@codieomeallain6635

2 жыл бұрын

Well the unified German state only has two well-known wars one of which was unjustly blamed solely on them simply because they were becoming a threat to British and French supremacy and they needed a way to kill it in the cradle so to speak, and the other in which they were pretty much unquestionably the bad guy even if the Soviets were not exactly paragons themselves though as far as I understand it Germans are taught collective guilt and that their defeat was justice and they got what they deserved so I am uncertain as to the level of knowledge the average German has on the extent of Soviet brutality against their ancestors, so it is unsurprising that German war films do not generally take a patriotic bent.

@greenlime1997

2 жыл бұрын

I completely agree with you. As an American, I grow increasingly annoyed and even disturbed by the glorification of our military and how war movies made in the U.S. are made to symbolize the soldiers' fight as one fought with glory, valor, patriotism, and courage. It's all BS in my opinion, American war movies (with a few exceptions) don't do a very good job of portraying just how senseless and destructive war is like German films do. Americans also, with the exception of the Civil War, have never really experienced war on their front doorsteps. In WW2, our country's role was critical, but relatively small and insignificant compared to Germany and the USSR; our cities were never bombed, we were never violently expelled from our homes, our towns weren't burned etc. In WW2, the US suffered roughly 450,000 military deaths, in Germany roughly 4,000,000-5,000,000 soldiers lost their lives. In these respects, Germany's view of war is different but also I believe more justified because your country's media is able to portray the madness and futility of violent conflicts without excessive glorification and patriotism.

@codieomeallain6635

2 жыл бұрын

@@greenlime1997 The U.S. should abolish its army and embrace pacifism.

@greenlime1997

2 жыл бұрын

@@codieomeallain6635 ALL nations should embrace pacifism. The calamity of WW2 should be a lesson for humanity.

@codieomeallain6635

2 жыл бұрын

@@greenlime1997 Wow. I was being sarcastic, I did not think that anyone could actually seriously consider global pacifism anywhere near close enough to reality to even bother wishing for it. Even if everyone agreed to peace, and by some miracle all destroyed every weapon they had without keeping any I would give it five years before another war started.

Wow I love the scene where the “good guy” German shoots a child in the back as he tries to run away, tHiS iS nAzI pRoPAGanDa!!!

@historylegends

2 жыл бұрын

I only refer to this scene

@tavish4699

2 жыл бұрын

@@historylegends and this scene doesnt show anything good or bad about the germans , it shows things that every army would have done the same way

@ACM1PT95

2 жыл бұрын

@@historylegends still bro, if you look at the following scene. That political officer that was spared, he was later executed by the same lieutenant who captured him. So no... they are not portraying them as good guys

@koreancowboy42

Жыл бұрын

Maybe watch the entire movie to completely understand. The differences between a regular Wehrmacht soldier and officer to an SS party officer who shot a child and ordered a soldier kill. This whole movie portrays the Germans bot as the good guys cuz in war there's no such thing as a good guy. Your gonna be a bad guy to the people your attacking. Considering the SS political party has great influence and no one will go against them. If you've lived in Germany or Japan or wherever yeah try going up against an government during war happening, you'll get your head blown off or family killed

@bullshitdepartment

Жыл бұрын

@@koreancowboy42 Wehrmacht were just as barbaric as the SS

One more error that rarely is noticed is in the beginning when that destroyed T-34 is shown, it's actually the 85mm one instead of 76,2mm that was present during the Operation Barbarosa

@thanos_6.0

2 жыл бұрын

Incredible that you noticed this small detail. Big respect

@geirholte1222

2 жыл бұрын

This is from around Kursk in 43. But the point still stands, since the 85 was not yet produced or at least sent to the front.

@geirholte1222

2 жыл бұрын

@@bernupieters6777 Operation Barbarossa was over in December 41.

@tramlink8544

2 жыл бұрын

an error noticed even less in that scene is that Wilhelms rifle in the truck scenes has a welded barrel band instead of the machined one, which indicates the rifles from 1944 onwards

@tramlink8544

2 жыл бұрын

@@geirholte1222 incorrect this scene is from Barbarossa in 1941

the germans really did support leading from infront aslong as it worked you wouldnt get in trouble for it, also the fact that they take prisoners has nothing to do with them trying to paint the germans as the good guys , the germans took millions of prisoners and guess what , they were humans too! asnother things is , taking an NKVD officer prisoner is not only smart but neccessarry he could have huge knowledge on the enemy

@teru797

2 жыл бұрын

noooooo they were all evil hitler nazis who all personally wanted to mass murder! #black lives matter!

Every WW2 film from another nations: Our Soldiers fought to the end and they never kill prisoners and they Never plunder. Germany: We also had a couple of Good Soldiers. Not every german was bad. They are humans too. The entire World: No

@lkofdoom

2 жыл бұрын

This is so sad in my eyes… Every country committed warcrimes. But no one talks Abt them because they won… Because Germany lost they pointed them out way more and did hide their own. The winner writes the history( or something like that) But nevertheless Germans did really bad stuff.

@ryanlunn9152

2 жыл бұрын

@@lkofdoom SS did the majority of bad such as the death camps, Wehrmacht committed many of the crimes we would see common from other nations

@lkofdoom

2 жыл бұрын

@@adibar9066 u American?😂 That’s exactly what I ment. U completely missed everything I said. U try to put the stuff the allies did in a better light. And that’s exactly what I was trying to say. U mentioned 2 example of American movies that are showing their wrong actions but how many Movies are there that show Germany in a bad light… U try so hard to make the Germans more evil and hide the war crimes the allies did beneath the cruelty’s of the axis. My Englisch doesn’t reach so far that I can explain it to you with proper arguments so it’s show what I mean… The allies e.g did massive bomb raids over German city’s with popular sight to kill thousands of people and destroy the famous sights there just to demoralise the Germans. Look at Dresden or Hamburg… Like I said, I could explain way better if I didn’t have to talk English

@erikk4555

2 жыл бұрын

@@adibar9066 What LKofDoom is saying makes totally sense. The winner does write the history. Almost every movie the germans only exist of "bad guys" and the allies only of "good guys". While majority of the Wehrmacht soldiers were normal soldiers serving their country. Ofcourse Germany commited awfull crimes, but a lot of them had nothing to do with "war". So you think thousands of tons of bombs on civilian cities, who a lot of them had little tactical military targets, aren't morally questionable? You say these cities were legitimate targets cause of a dockyard and last of the industrial complexes.. They wiped the ancient centers of the cities with carefully examined methods to totally destroy it. Half the livingspace of Hamburg was gone and you talk about a dockyard😂. This is exactly what LKofDoom is thinking I guess, people are so 'brainwashed' by the propagand of the winners that they perfectly legitimize this kind of needless destruction(war crimes). So 20K at Dresden and more than double in Hamburg you wave it off with, oh the humanity?!😂😂 That says enough... You don't hide the war crimes but you do downplay it with these kind of remarks. And btw Bomber Harris was a retard. He thought he could end the war with the bombings which clearly wasn't true.

@erikk4555

2 жыл бұрын

@@adibar9066 😂 Writing history isn't about the memoirs of couple of generals. It's about the conclusions and decisions made after and about the war and what has been taught to the majority of the people. Yes I know USA sucked up to the leftovers of Germany to help against the communism (the coldwar turned out great btw..😂) But exactly what you said about the Hollywood cirlcejerk is what a lot of people dislike and has an influence on public opinion(part of history writing). And yet here you are downplaying the role of the allies, which is part of what people dislike and part of the issue people are adressing. And also calling it "rightfully"..😂 Thats part of being biased. It has nothing to do with comparing, if somebody kills 1 people and the other 10 doesn't make the person with 1 less of a killer. Then you say both the crimes of either side or horrible, so we agree on that, so there is in fact nothing to downplay. First of all, the bombings are part of the warcrimes but if we talk moviewise it's about portrayal of the "almighty american" against the "germans from hell". Ofcourse not all movies and series but 90% of them are. Thats the whole point of it. For example, Stephen E Ambrose talked about the D-day landings as if the world depended on these Americans in a all or nothing battle of the world would be Germanspeaking for ever or not. While the Germans were pushed back on every theatre for like 2 years. The americans think they beat the Germans by themselves while Germany already lost major territory at the battle of Moskow even before USA was officially in the war. You're right about the bombingcampaing mostly fueled by revanchism. But that and the way they bombed Hamburg and Dresden doesn't makes it a legitimate military target. The bombing from allied cities weren't military targets neither. You contradict yourself a bit with the statements you make about these. And does the propaganda acknowledges that? The thing with Curtis Lemay is exactly what writing history is about. The winner decides, they win so he's a "hero", they lose he'd be executed in a trial. Indeed Harris said it was never been tried so he kept on going hardheaded. And they stopped after Dresden so indeed a couple of commanders thought it was over the line. And the things you credit to it also happens with precisionbombing. Bombing on itself isn't a warcrime, carpertbombing non military targets is. About the downplaying, I can say I don't do it either.. 😂 I didn't say anything which indicates downplaying the role and crimes of Germany. I didn't compare it to eachother, one of my points is that you downplay the allies crimes cause you do compare them. While you're comparing them and downplaying you even say "Most of which was in Japan anyways"..😂 That the actual representation of the numbers you give isn't there has nothing to do with the original point, it's about most of the representations that are there. Also, you started about all the bombings and statistics. Like LKofDoom said, you miss a lot of things people say and just give your own spin to it.

German Wehrmacht had a few leading-principles: For ex. "It is led from the front!" and "Lead by example!" - what even was the fact for generals like Guderian or Rommel or I could name more. So it was usual, that the german officers led they`re troops like he does here. The very high german officer losses say many about these points.

@konigludwig6539

2 жыл бұрын

Ob ein Gefechtsstand direkt die Front ist... Und jemand im Range des Leutnant bis Major musste an der Front kämpfen, erst am Oberstleutnant kann man zum Battalionskommamdeur aufsteigen und somit seinen arsch in den Gefechtsstand verkriechen.

@konigludwig6539

2 жыл бұрын

In seltenen Fällen gab es natürlich auch mal einen Major als Btl Kommandeur

@AnMue2109

2 жыл бұрын

@@konigludwig6539 Es gab sehr, sehr häufig Bataillonskommandeure im Rang eines Hauptmanns; es gab auch phasen- und Ortsabhängig viele Fälle, wo es Oberlautnants waren (It was very very often the case, that Bataillons were lead by Captains; and even depending place and time, many cases with 1st Lieutenants). Und Generäle wie Model oder Guderian waren als Panzerkorpsführer 41 bei Barbarossa i.d.R. mit einem Funkbefehlspanzer bei der vordersten Spitze oder Rommel und sein "Mammut" (erbeuteter brit. Befehlswagen) in Afrika... Ihre Argumentation fällt durch. Sorry König Ludwig.

@konigludwig6539

2 жыл бұрын

@@AnMue2109 Fällt sie nicht, da das Ausnahmen waren und diese Leute dann sehr erfahrene Soldaten waren, ein Unerfahrener wäre niemals Battalionskommamdeur etc geworden.

@AnMue2109

2 жыл бұрын

@@konigludwig6539 Sagt ja auch niemand dass das die Regel war; aber es war, aufgrund der massiven Verluste, eben vor allem an Offizieren aller Ränge, halt auch keine Seltenheit; spätestens ab Herbst 1941 nicht mehr. Ist halt einfach Fakt und kann anhand der Verlustlisten und des Bestands an Reserveoffizieren in der Heimat und anhand der "Kriegsverwendungsfähigschreibungen" alter 1. Weltkriegsoffiziere eindeutig nachgezeichnet werden.

What i absolutely love about this show ist that it doesnt portray every german soldier as nothing more but a cold-hearted killing machine like pretty much every hollywood production does. They all have lives, they all have their reasons to fight at the Front. At the start Wilhelm, who has alreaady fought in France, is very enthusiastic, but quickly realizes that the eastern Front is different. He slowly begins to question the once so "honorful" war and at the end even deserts. Friedhelm on the other hand was a fresh recruit, more or less forced to the Front. He hates everything about the war at first, but after seeing brutality after brutality he slwoly becomes more and more dulled, commiting brutalities himself.

11:37 What the fuck are you on about? Yes he let him live mostly because its a NKVD officer whom they had orders to try and capture alive to get information out of. They would then be executed which you see in the movie aswell.

@tavish4699

2 жыл бұрын

he claims he has such backround knowledge but in truth he doesnt know jack shit about the time capturing this officer and not shoot him out of pure adrenaline rush is exactly showing that the leutnant is an experienced soldier

I'm gonna just say it. Like it or not there was good men on the German side and there were some monsters on ours. The majority on all sides were just normal men who wanted to live and go home.

Generation War was a masterpiece of military theatre. So glad you covered it on your channel. Please keep up the great work!

I think this guy has no clue what he's talking about....terrible to listen to him. Generation War is by fare the best ww2 series. It really shows how the war was, and that way better than Hollywood would ever do.

@lovrolazar5914

2 жыл бұрын

Someone with a brain, seen this guy on tiktok so many times, most of the time he has 0 clue what he is talking about and is just talking shit

@erikk4555

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. This guy made so many mistakes and is so outspoken about "problems" that weren't even there. First time watching this guy and I've seen enough.😂

In the scene at 4:55 mins he didn't say take the LMG and support, he said give Schmidt your rifle because he was the only one that didn't volunteer and is a coward in the eyes of his superior. Also when they start to move to the factory, the lieutenant is in the front to boost the morale of his squad. He is supposed to be a good example and show no fear of the enemy. That's also why he is equipped with an MP.

@erikk4555

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, this guy made a lot of mistakes and "problems" that weren't necessary or there at all. Never gonna watch this guy again.😂

@olgagaming5544

2 жыл бұрын

No, I understand him. A german squad would advance under cover of a machine gun, that's what he wanted to say

@timschmidt6741

2 жыл бұрын

@@olgagaming5544 not in an urban environment where you can't set up an mg without getting shot at. When advancing from trench to trench on the frontline, there would be an mg covering them but it's difficult to set up an offensive mg nest with a good area of effect when there is buildings blocking off most of the area.

@timschmidt6741

2 жыл бұрын

@@olgagaming5544 not in an urban environment where you can't set up an mg without getting shot at. When advancing from trench to trench on the frontline, there would be an mg covering them but it's difficult to set up an offensive mg nest with a good area of effect when there is buildings blocking off most of the area.

04:58 the machine gunner is behind the guy with the boxes. You can see the barrel over his right shoulder.

You know what I want to see? A film about John Rabe, A member of the Nazi Party that saved thousands of Chinese lives during the Battle of Nanking, using his position of power to set up exclusion zones to protect citizens from the ruthless Japanese Assault.

@RoyalDog214

2 жыл бұрын

That movie already exists.

@euniceamemberoftheevergive7029

2 жыл бұрын

@@RoyalDog214 *more*

Wow he is so arrogant, like everyone can do it like the books and every soldier just executes others.

Also in the present german army the idea of "Führen durch Vorbild" (Lead by example) is still the common practiced and prefered style of motivating your men. A leader who isn't prepared to die along his men will never get the reputation as someone you are willing to go through hell with. This begins at the lower ranks at Stabsunteroffizier (Seargent) to younger officers until the rank of a major.

I fail to see how this makes the Germans look like the good guys. Especially in a segment where the Lieutenant orders all suspected “partisans” who may be civilians but are now POWs, to walk through a minefield after their comrade got killed by a mine. This show isn’t perpetuating a “clean Wehrmacht” myth. It’s showing the reality of what many soldiers and officers faced. Better to watch the entire series than segments of it to get the full picture.

In history there’s been encounters where few germans did something good. For example, a german pilot spotted a B17 but he notice how badly damage it was and it wasn’t returning fire. Instead of shooting it down to earn an iron cross metal. Escorted the bomber plane out of harms way and risk his life for saving an enemy. Also, a German commander tried to save an American soldier who was wounded from the minefield and left behind his squad from the minefield. Of course the commander was killed by the minefield as he was crossing the minefield of where his own squad place down mines and not knowing where they have been placed.

It doesn’t really portray them as the good guys. Yeah, he spares them for now, but we do see later that he shoots the Soviet after interrogation is over. It was generally procedure.

8:33 to answer these questions: It was the doctrine of the German armies. Since Frederick II of Prussia a German officer was not allowed to demand things from the soldiers of his unit what he was not able to perform. If a Lt. failed and was done in front of his unit, his authority was gone.

If this is the worst scene you saw you ain't seen Hollywood. Especially the movie fury

10:19 I've counted them. 32 bullets he shot, as MP40s had 32 rounds magazines, and he doesn't fire through the rest of the scene (that's why he doesn't kill that soviet in the building) since he has no more ammo.

@yowtfputthemaskbackon9202

2 жыл бұрын

that's actually amazing, i wonder if purposefully or by accident

You could see the mg and the other two assistant machine gunners, the guy with the boxes was "MG2" the assistant machine gunner. As for them not bringing up the machine gun, it is well known that if you lost the machine gun of a squad the surviors would be scattered to squads with there mgs, and as you don't want to be sepperated from your squad it makes sense that you wouldn't want to risk it in a assault.

@erikk4555

2 жыл бұрын

Ah I never knew that, very interesting! Thanks for the info! You should take over this dude's channel😂, this guy is doing my head in with his nonsense.

Es stimmt das der "MG Guy" zwei Boxen hat. Doch ein MG Trupp besteht aus damals 3 und später 2 Soldaten MG1,MG2 und MG3 der MG1 war für die Bedienung der Waffe zuständig und MG2 war Munitions Träger, hat die Gurte eingelegt und dem MG1 Ziele angegeben. MG3 war ebenfalls Munitions Träger doch später wurde er dann aus so einem Squad entfernt für die Übersicht ab da an waren in so einem Squad nur noch 9 Mann Statt ursprünglich 10.

I don't know why history legend is taking everything with a grain of salt in this scene and he is actually wrong in certain scene saying that what was there wasn't there and honestly it might be his eye as well as he doesn't know what he's talking about.

Truly enjoy your channel. What is it with your eyepatch? What history credentials, if any, do you have? Thx

Whenever someone says, "How did you miss that?" I always think back to my airsoft and paintball games where I missed shots like that. I think the same damn thing.

I like how the series showed that the near pacifist younger brother ends up totally not giving a shit which oddly turns him into quite the soldier. It's a theme that's been revisited several times in war films like '12 O'Clock High' and Band of Brothers via stoic Captain Speirs. As Gregory Peck said in '12 O'Clock High' "Stop thinking about home and trying to survive. You guys are already dead and the quicker you see this the better you'll do your jobs!" (Not verbatim but the message I distinctly remember.) Sadly Peck's character goes catatonic at the end under the strain.

Dude, I know you compare movies and series with reality, but saying things like " a second group should have attacked from another side" and "how does this lieutenant goes first?" makes no sense moviewise. It's about the leadroles. And in this particular series there is a very short time to portray the life and especially the differences of 5 people in a timespan of 4 or 5 years. Besides that, lieutenants and even captains leading the way isn't that weird and wreckless.

"Where's the LMG, the guy only has boxes!" The guy with a giant LMG behind the guy with boxes, "I’ve mastered the ability to stand so incredibly still… That I become invisible to the eye. Watch."

Always enjoyed your videos keep up the good work

The mg is in the background, the person you are talking about is the mg 2, he carry’s ammo and a mg barrel.

You should watch Come and See

Der Fakt, dass Du ,,Unsere Mütter unsere Väter" so beschreibst, ist einfach nur Widerlich! Du hast dich 0 mit den Charakteren beschäftigt und bestimmt nicht einmal die ganze Serie gesehen! Denn in dieser Serie werden die Deutschen alles andere als als gut dargestellt. Wer eine 6 Stunden Serie an 10 Minuten beurteilt, ist einfach verblendet. Diese Szene beschreibt das was ich von deiner unüberlegten und voreiligen Verurteilung halte! 4:46

Are going to make a video on band of brothers ?

They dont lack the machine gun, in 5:58 you can see that the guy behind the ammo carrier has the machine gun in his hands looking upwards with the barrel, where you can see the tripod on the right side

I think the main problem with this review is that you approach it expecting modern-day American tactics executed to perfection wherever you yourself have gaps of knowledge. unit commanders leading from the front? relatively normal german doctrine soldiers not using grenades? ask any modern-day soldier, grenades are spooky things soldiers deciding suddenly mid-fight to allow the enemy to surrender? given the lack of training and conscription of the time, it is not unlikely that some of the soldiers would have an aversion to fighting and would prefer to make peace if they can. you seem to bring the expectation of American movies and American modern-day combat tactics to a movie that is not American and is not about modern American combat.

Generation war also shows how wilhelm winter isnt like the other soldiers that would’ve wanted to kill them rather than capture them and how the war is seen from him and his brother

Maybe when it said lmg they meant to translate it to refer to the guy with the mp40 supressing the position.

German officers had extremely high mortality rates because they led from the front and by example. Especially the waffen SS. Leon degrelle in an old post war interview explains this and how its virtually unheard of in other militaries of the time. It makes sense too. How can you order men to do something that you wouldnt do? How can you order men into danger from the safety of the rear? Men under your command are more likely to respect you, have higher morale and fight harder if you are in harms way at the front with them

German officers in WW2 were often the first to go in the battle because that was their doctrine back then. They were supposed to lead by an example and were purposely given MP40s because that is a short/mid range weapon so that they could advance towards the enemy and go forward. I would say that the scene in 5:15 when the officer goes first is legit and accurate because of this reason. They were supposed to do so and their men followed. EDIT: One more thing, they are not portraying Germans as the ''good guys'' they are just saying that not all Germans were war criminals (no shit Sherlock). The Germans actually caught millions of POWs during the war. More than the allied forces.

Love this show probably one of my favorite series ever personally.

5:20 complains about running over there? Well, i watched the series with my friend who was a Stalingrad veteran and close combat recipient, sadly he passed away in Dezember. He said they did that back then too, to See if there are any enemys, Because if the russians saw one they most likely opend fire. Then you knew where the russian is.

At 5:00 I think the reason for the order that Friedhelm should to give his 98K to Schmidt is because Schmidt is the no 2 om the MG-34 (the main loader), which at that time in the war only was equipped with a pistol.

you can see the LMG in the time stamp 4:59 right behind the ammo guy`s right sholder, german officers where offen trained to lead by excample

If you actually watch the whole thing you will find out that it doesn't paint them to be good guys but that would be to much to ask for you wouldn't it.

Have you seen the whole series?

You should react to a bridge too far. Its old but I enjoyed it when I first saw it. Would love to see your evaluation on the combat scenes.

Can you do either hacksaw ridge, band of brothers, or the Pacific?

Great video! Next one should be Battle of Loudon hill - Outlaw King!

@valianthorizon6890

2 жыл бұрын

This wasn't really a great video.

@yaquvs8540

2 жыл бұрын

What an idiot it whenever, whenever the Americans are portrayed as good soldiers. Germans couldn't decide whether they would go to war or not! they deserve the same respect as the Americans and co.

So how many times had you seen the show before reacting to it?

I don’t think it makes them look like “Good Guys”. It just makes them look like guys. Not good, not bad.

once in our TV was an interview with Wilhelm. He was present as advisor during the making of these movies. And I heared that he forced to repeat some scenes many times to get "realistic" event. The factory fight was one of them... he really had only 1 squad avaible as he left 2 others to secure perimeter around factory (he already failed one task because of enemy reinforcements in France). Idk why they did not show LMG here. And yes... they did not shoot soviets when he had choice. Problem was a lot of soldiers were too hyped to kill "bolsheviks" that inteligence missed reports from PoWs, so they were ordered to capture soviets if it was possible. Unfortunately I did not see rest of interview with Wilhelm, because I had to drive to job and cannot find it on youtube :(

Great video. You are a good teacher.

@petrberan2959

2 жыл бұрын

Well no

5:59 If you look closely, the guy behind the Ammo carrier has the MG-34 or MG-42 (can't remember which it was that squads had)

4:50 the LMG is ready behind the guy with the ammo boxes for coverfire if they need to fall back

The whole premise of Generation War is that “not all Germans were nazis” or “not all Germans were bad”, that the average Hans had been duped. And they bend backwards to push that idea. This idea is represented in the part of the scene that deals with the prisoners, in which the platoon is clearly shown to be divided between trigger happy enemies of communism, and normal folk doing their bit for the motherland. There are a few journals of soldiers that throw a less flattering light on the motivations of the average male youngster going to the East. Many soldiers became disillusioned not because they’d seen the light as regards nazism but because they started having their ass kicked by a Red Army that was adamant that they were going to regain their country and more. As the series progresses German resistance is explained away as a whole country reluctantly carrying on with the fight while being intimidated by die hard party members. It’s pretty disingenuous, and part of the current effort to allow Germany to shake off any residual guilt for a renewed German role in the current war against the RF and China.

"Did they scout the entire area"?...CQC....no, they didn't!

you focus on the practicality of the situations before you, and on that I agree with you wholeheartedly; however, not a single person can be practical a hundred percent of the time, and people will be stupid/make mistakes sometimes, and that has to be taken into consideration when analyzing a combat situation

Dude, what film did you watch

Things I'd like to pull up is that, if you noticed the red collars on that one soviet, you'd understand he has a Political affiliation, in this case a Commissar. Those would be sent with troops and garrisons to ensure they follow the orders from the Kremlin, therefor explains why they uselessly fight for that destroyed factory. Another thing to point out is that, if the commissar wasn't there, they would've been executed immediately, and further in the series I believe they used the excuse of "They didn't sign the convention." Which becomes a circle of death because, some germans execute commissars, then some soviets executes regular soldiers, so the germans begin to execute regular soldiers too. It just became worst and worst in a matter of days. The fact that the LT pushes forward could be seen as both stupid and brave, or maybe even unrealistic. But remember that in a matter of fact, Lieutenant is the lowest officer rank, in fact was almost considered to be an NCO due to what they did. They were mostly former squad operators which were assigned to 3 squads forming a platoon since the ones exiting the Officer Academy would likely be witnessed at a higher officer rank because they wouldn't assign a fresh schoolboy to a platoon, as they lack combat experience. This is mostly my point of view, form what I've seen and read, if you see any mistakes don't hesitate to correct me.

@johangrostkerck6046

Жыл бұрын

Going off on what other people are explaining, leading by example was encouraged by the Germans. It was great for morale but it also cost the Germans a lot of officers, mostly NCO's but lieutenants were almost always promoted from a NCO position as experience is key in their positions. Also, I read a book from Heinrich Gerlach, a German soldier who got taken prisoner at the Battle of Stalingrad, and he describes very vividly how the government apparatus and the propaganda outlets were cheering for what was happening in "the Kettle", because "The officers were bravely fighting alongside the common soldier", while of course in reality they refused to let the 6th Army Group retreat from Stalingread (one of the most experienced group if not the most experienced and thus very valuable) and let them be slaughtered, starved out and burned (and not permitting them to surrender) out of fear for societal backlash and loss of general morale over strategical failures.

Eye patch could be a staple of the channel from now on? Kinda cool imo.

It's not showing the Germans so much as good guys so much as setting up the programme to show the escalation of brutality as the war progresses.

@tavish4699

2 жыл бұрын

he isnt smart enough to understand that altho he claims he reads allot of books

@orclover2353

10 ай бұрын

That is a bullshit theme though. The germans committed war crimes on the first day of the war in Poland by burning down Polish villages and kill civilians(aka the famous Polish "snipers" dressed as old ladies). The aggressor faces the burden of being the villain and the moral degenerate , they don't get to later say, well the others are just as bad. World War II would not have happened without German aggression and millions of people would get a chance at existence without German aggression.

Even during the American Civil War you deployed Skirmishers ahead of the advancing formation, so if you encountered the enemy, you just didn't have the entire regiment walk into a wall of lead bullets. The skirmishers would engage first, and you'd know if there was enemies a head of you.

where are you from btw ?

What do you mean with they want to show the germans as the good guys? We are good.

Wait, this winter guy is based of a real person named winter as well? Just like band of brother? (you havent react to that series, right?).

I don’t believe he understands humanity, Humans are capable of evil deeds and next minute extreme acts of compassion. This mini series demonstrates that very well. Unlike Russian films are pathetic and over the top with cheesy heroics

@greenlime1997

2 жыл бұрын

American films are the same way. With the exception of the Civil War, Americans have never experienced war on their front door steps, and this causes many people in this country to have a distorted, unrealistic portrayal of war as something that is "honorable" and "glorious." Its all BS.... war is madness, it's futile, it's senseless, and it's tragic and this series does an excellent job of portraying that

You can't assault with LMG's. Lol. It's not Call Of Duty. Officers in German Army were given close range weapons in order so they would have to close the distance to lead by example. It's a morale boost to see your officer fighting.

It was also funny how the MP40 gunner was trying to provide suppressive fire, but the Russian was just standing there completely uncovered shooting down anyway.

5:10 it wasn't uncommon for a Leutnant to go first it was depending on theyre personality yk

My guy it’s obvious you don’t know too much about the German squads the German lmg is held by a different guy one riflemen holds ammo the gunner holds the lmg and fires it don’t criticize without knowing

Obviously none of us were actually there but I think the battle scenes in Generation are superb and to me at least really give a horrific sense of realism.

at 4:59 you can see the LMG behind him!

11:30 he doesn't shoot cause he is a normal soldier and not a war criminal and u need to think about the fact that this is a real story

I dont know if this would happen back then but since they didn't have an LMG and they we're pinned down they could of have someone cover them like shoot the enemy and while the enemy takes cover then someone else could of threw a grenade to flush them out

A little home remedy to get rid of a style is just do put a warm wet towel over the eye

Holy shit what a smooth brain reaction this was...

Lieutenant in german is Leutnant!

I see you are satisfied about the uniform details! This is what paralightworx is famous for! In Verstaubt sind die Gesichter the attention to detail is insane!

The LMG (MG42) is right behind the guy with the ammo boxes (btw)

I've just arrived to this video today. Couple of things: -I got to your channel cause of your reviews on CoD Vanguard. Though I appreciate your work on that, I didn't see them all cause I couldn't stand the cringe of the game LMAO. But I am currently enjoying the rest of your work besides CoD series. -I agree with some other folks here at the comment section: I don't think german soldiers here are portrayed as "good guys", but as humans. Certainly they were no "good guys", but neither evil nazi robots of destruction and carnage. And, of course, is always good to pick some enemy NCOs for later interrogation *wink wink*. -I won't help you with the Patreon stuff, since a few euros or dollars are quite some money here, due to exchange rates and fees, but, I will help the ways I can; subscribing, commenting, liking and sharing with friends. You do some pretty good stuff here, and surely you deserve your channel to grow, and make some nice profit from it. Good luck, and keep on going with this nice job, man!

Note to self: If I'm ever in a situation where I need to process before hand that I'm gonna lose my eye, the only thing I will be looking forward too is getting an eye patch, even though I wouldn't wanna.

The mg was at minute 4:37 you could bearly see it but it's there

Since those were T34/85's I assume this must be sometime in 1944 in Poland. p.s. Apparently this is 1941 outside Smolensk. Sorry to say but T34/85's were years away from being produced in 1941.