Georges Bizet - Symphony No. 2 "Roma" (1871)

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Georges Bizet (25 October 1838 - 3 June 1875), registered at birth as Alexandre César Léopold Bizet, was a French composer of the romantic era. Best known for his operas in a career cut short by his early death, Bizet achieved few successes before his final work, Carmen, which has become one of the most popular and frequently performed works in the entire opera repertoire.
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Symphony No. 2 in C major, "Roma" (1861-1871)
1. Andante tranquillo, leading to an Allegro agitato (0:00)
2. Scherzo - Allegretto vivace (12:44)
3. Andante molto (17:54)
4. Allegro vivacissimo (Finale) (26:35)
Philharmonia orchestra conducted by Enrique Bátiz
The Symphony in C "Roma" is the second of Georges Bizet's symphonies. Unlike his first symphony, also in C major, which was written quickly at the age of 17, Roma was written over an eleven-year span, between the ages of 22 and 33 (he died at age 36). Bizet was never fully satisfied with it, subjecting it to a number of revisions, but died before finishing his definitive version. All four movements were performed in his lifetime, but never all on the same occasion. The full symphony in its latest revision was premiered in 1875, after his death. It is perhaps because of Bizet's dissatisfaction that the work is often said to be "unfinished". However, in the form in which it exists today, it is a complete work and is fully scored. It has been recorded a number of times but is not often heard on the concert platform.
Roma is a very unequal work. The Scherzo is usually singled out as its best movement, full of liveliness and grace. The outer movements contain both brilliance and academic pedantry, and the slow movement is not generally well regarded, sometimes being described as "ponderous and boring". However, Gustav Mahler thought highly enough of Roma to conduct the Vienna premiere in 1898-99, and to expose American audiences to it on his 1910 tour. Its actual United States premiere was on 11 November 1880 at the Metropolitan Concert Hall, conducted by Theodore Thomas. The New York Times critic of the time said that, while there was much in the work to admire, it was crude in arrangement and had an air of incompleteness about it.[

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  • @TheodoreServin
    @TheodoreServin3 жыл бұрын

    Gosh, Bizet's orchestration skills are unparalleled. The first movement is sublime! I can hear similarities to Saint-Saens' brilliant orchestration in this piece (they were classmates and friends, after all).

  • @stalkerstomper3304

    @stalkerstomper3304

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yes. It's amazing how much proven ability he'd already displayed throughout his short life. I often listen to Bizet's music and can't help but to notice just how well written and creative his works are. Even his Symphony No 1 was written with the kind of brilliance and coherence of a gifted and seasoned composer, despite him only be 17 at the time. I don't think most people realize just how much musical substance his 1st Symphony really had, despite most people enjoying the sound of it.

  • @narykoone8298

    @narykoone8298

    3 жыл бұрын

    I completely agree. His orchestration is unmatched

  • @timothythorne9464

    @timothythorne9464

    3 жыл бұрын

    It's just incredibly warm and beautiful. That slow intro however doesn't prepare us for the brilliant, stirring Allegro section which follows. I detect similarities between the first movement of Bizet's "Roma" and the first movement of Brahms' 1st symphony, completed 8 years later! That's probably purely coincidental as I doubt seriously Brahms would have known this piece, which was as obscure in its own time as it is today

  • @Moustachebier

    @Moustachebier

    2 жыл бұрын

    If only the first movement was published as his "unfinished" symphony it would be performed more often.

  • @MiloPaulus
    @MiloPaulus3 жыл бұрын

    A sublime Symphony. I don't think I've ever heard it in its entirety, but I always enjoyed Bizet's first tremendously. Thanks for sharing! These score videos are a gift.

  • @timothythorne9464

    @timothythorne9464

    3 ай бұрын

    The music is sublime, from start to finish. I have no idea why this is dismissed and disparaged in regard to Bizet's oeuvre. His orchestration here, as always is second to none, and the four movements are jam-packed with inventive and engaging melodies. It's a top shelf symphony, at least to my ears. If there is a weakness to the symphony, it's the purported "program" attached to each movement. This work is more satisfying, like Bizet's first symphony (also in C major) presented as a work of absolute music.

  • @hsohn4901
    @hsohn4901Ай бұрын

    Orchestration of a true Master with a capital M, and just listen to his melodies, absolutely beautiful

  • @avrumgolub2735
    @avrumgolub2735 Жыл бұрын

    Thank you for posting this recording and score. As a Horn player, I immediately went looking for the score and Horn parts (the Horn parts are not posted on IMSLP). A glorious symphony and “fun” Horn parts - most “juicy”.

  • @aramkhachaturian8043
    @aramkhachaturian80433 жыл бұрын

    3:30 is one of my favorite all time melodies, and then there is also 5:54

  • @SPscorevideos
    @SPscorevideos3 жыл бұрын

    The beginning with Horns in three different keys it's an amazing exercise in orchestral reading of transposing instruments! ;)

  • @Balakirev_

    @Balakirev_

    3 жыл бұрын

    Definitely...

  • @farrelpermadi5471

    @farrelpermadi5471

    3 жыл бұрын

    Definitely, I am also exercise my brain to see the melody because it goes from Horn in C 1st to Horn in G

  • @raustaklass

    @raustaklass

    3 жыл бұрын

    And a nightmare to read as a player too, I'm sure

  • @robertberger4203

    @robertberger4203

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@raustaklass Not for experienced professional horn players . It's perfectly manageable . I used to be a horn player, and never played this piece, but I wish I had had a chance to do so . The horn parts are really juicy .

  • @raustaklass

    @raustaklass

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@robertberger4203 I'm a player too (albeit a mere student), I could manage one of those parts no problem, but reading all 4 and going in between them would be hard when everything was in F.

  • @SakakiSyndrome
    @SakakiSyndrome3 жыл бұрын

    This is a certified hood classic

  • @cminor3016

    @cminor3016

    3 жыл бұрын

    a will second that☺️; roll down all my windows, turn that base up rolling through my hood with this one!

  • @steveegallo3384

    @steveegallo3384

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@cminor3016 -- Pretty sure Epitaffio was referring to his homies with their gats, in the Hood...you Feel me?

  • @bompkin1506

    @bompkin1506

    3 жыл бұрын

    amen

  • @AnyOldMusic

    @AnyOldMusic

    2 жыл бұрын

    (05:45) dat drop at 05:55

  • @AnyOldMusic
    @AnyOldMusic3 жыл бұрын

    I love the scherzo (12:44) with its imitative entries, bristling with energy and suddenly bursting open at 13:11.

  • @user-qv6lb5vy4b
    @user-qv6lb5vy4b Жыл бұрын

    I really enjoy trying to find hidden music's that I once heard long time ago Bizet has many music's to be reheard I'm fascinated on finding them again!!!

  • @bowerdw
    @bowerdw3 жыл бұрын

    I don't recall being exposed to much of Bizet's works. This is a fine work.

  • @remomazzetti8757
    @remomazzetti87573 жыл бұрын

    I'm with Mahler on this one: I hear an absolutely marvelous Symphony that should be better known! I certainly prefer it to his earlier effort. When Mahler was preparing Carmen for a production, he said he thought Bizet's opera was better orchestrated than Wagner's Die Meistersinger! And Mahler was a dedicated Wagnerian.

  • @ChristianP06

    @ChristianP06

    3 жыл бұрын

    ‘If you want to learn to orchestrate, don’t study Wagner’s scores study the score of Carmen.. what wonderful economy - how every note and rest is in its proper place” -Richard Strauss

  • @Anton_Schusler
    @Anton_Schusler3 жыл бұрын

    This is absolutely amazing, it's like all the best parts of different romantic composers knitted together. I will no longer consider Bizet a one-hit wonder (though, I probably shouldn't have to begin with)

  • @herminioteixeira5921
    @herminioteixeira5921 Жыл бұрын

    Quando se pensa em Bizet, apenas se pensa em Carmen, e, no entanto, seu acevo puramente sinfônico é mais do que magnífico, mas poucas orquestras mostram!... por isso mesmo, esta postagem é muito bemvinda e, certamente, muitos estarão gratos.

  • @cminor3016
    @cminor30163 жыл бұрын

    anything bizet touch turn to gold, like a musical midas

  • @georgemarshall5226
    @georgemarshall52263 жыл бұрын

    32:08 straight up William Tell quotation.

  • @notaire2
    @notaire23 жыл бұрын

    Wunderschöne Interpretation dieser romantischen und perfekt komponierten Sinfonie mit gut harmonisierten und perfekt vereinigten Tönen aller Instrumente. Der dritte Satz klingt besonders schön und echt melodisch. Der talentierte Dirigent leitet das ausgezeichnete Orchester im gut phrasierten Tempo und mit künstlerisch kontrollierter Dynamik. Wahrlich hörenswert!

  • @jeremytarter7557
    @jeremytarter75573 жыл бұрын

    One of my most favorite symphonies. Bizet is the best

  • @steveegallo3384

    @steveegallo3384

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@elchatismiquin6445 -- Qué pedo traes, güey?

  • @fylkirdejong4967

    @fylkirdejong4967

    3 жыл бұрын

    Bach is the best

  • @cyprianbeecroft569

    @cyprianbeecroft569

    Жыл бұрын

    Fr

  • @Doc.AndreaC
    @Doc.AndreaC3 жыл бұрын

    Whoever called the Andante molto "ponderous and boring" must know very little about music... What a gem!

  • @bartjebartmans

    @bartjebartmans

    3 жыл бұрын

    The description comes from Wikipedia which used Allmusic as source but what Allmusic forgot to say is that the critic who called it ponderous and boring was a contemporary who was present at the performance on 11 January 1863, conducted by Jules Pasdeloup at the Cirque Napoléon, at which Camille Saint-Saëns was present. It was poorly performed and provoked a hostile reaction from many concert subscribers.I saw critic's name somewhere mentioned, need to search for it again. I should have added that in the description, just as Allmusic should do. I often double check information and what you say about Allmusic is partially true. They are most often pretty correct. If the article is too subjective I won't use it.

  • @timothythorne9464

    @timothythorne9464

    3 ай бұрын

    The third movement has some of the most beautiful melodies, and finest orchestration in the entire symphonic catalog. It's a slow tempo, for sure, but "ponderous and boring"? Don't get that impression. To my ears it sounds heroic, epic and triumphant.

  • @ChristianP06
    @ChristianP063 жыл бұрын

    3:31 onwards, sounds like Tchaikovsky. Bizet was quite ahead of his time. The finale could almost be a textbook in romantic orchestration.

  • @stalkerstomper3304

    @stalkerstomper3304

    3 жыл бұрын

    Actually Bizet studied under Tchaikovsky who studied under Prokofiev who studied under Purcell who studied under Bach who studied under Mahler who studied under Chopin who studied under Beethoven who studied under Wagner who studied under Hayden who studied under Scriabin who studied under Mozart who studied under... (times infiniti)

  • @akselpelkonen8625

    @akselpelkonen8625

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@stalkerstomper3304 lol your order seems legit

  • @Sshooter444

    @Sshooter444

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@stalkerstomper3304 that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever

  • @fabriciovalvasori1121
    @fabriciovalvasori11213 жыл бұрын

    Qué belleza por favor!!! Gracias!!!

  • @SergioLOSOWICH
    @SergioLOSOWICH3 жыл бұрын

    This symphony is Sublime, increíble and magestic too. 💯💯💯💯💯

  • @mason11198
    @mason111983 жыл бұрын

    Damn how have I never heard this; so amazing!

  • @viggo1115
    @viggo11152 жыл бұрын

    Wonderful...

  • @emanuel_soundtrack
    @emanuel_soundtrack3 жыл бұрын

    what i like about this style is the way the composer hides the best cards displaying it very gradually at the end, like the fugue in older symphonies; the climaxes are so strategically displayed in this kind of symphony. And is very easy to get this wrong, since the texture at that timee was very limited still.

  • @fredericchopin7538
    @fredericchopin75382 жыл бұрын

    Delightful!

  • @aramkhachaturian8043
    @aramkhachaturian80433 жыл бұрын

    If you liked his first symphony you are surely going to love this one.

  • @Bugleur
    @Bugleur3 жыл бұрын

    Wow amazing work... Feel some Berlioz influences on it.

  • @rominn2184
    @rominn21843 жыл бұрын

    That dark and mysterious incredible viola soli at 6:45...I sometimes like to play it all on the C string until the second half of the third full measure of it as a stretching exercise.. It's tragic. So much of his music was/is under-appreciated and underplayed whereas I see him as the French Mozart. Died way too young, was so full of talent and skill. Although Carmen overshadows all of his other works (don't get me wrong, it's probably my favorite opera) who knows what he might've produced had it not been his final work.

  • @marcschndr
    @marcschndr3 жыл бұрын

    I didn't know this masterpiece of one of the best french composer, so wonderful

  • @timothythorne9464

    @timothythorne9464

    3 ай бұрын

    The Scherzo second movement, and the brilliant tarantella finale are absolutely irresistible, but the whole work is very engaging and imaginative. I have no idea why it's not more well-known and performed more often. It's in every way a triumph of musical romanticism and should be an orchestral warhorse.

  • @user-qv6lb5vy4b
    @user-qv6lb5vy4b Жыл бұрын

    An old lady would tell me" I'm glad that you enjoy listening to classical music it seemed to be lost in the younger generation there for a while!!

  • @user-qv6lb5vy4b
    @user-qv6lb5vy4b Жыл бұрын

    When I used to hear a program called " candlelight and silver" on the FM channel the radio folks would exclame"that good new FM sound when you would hear the string section!!

  • @emanuel_soundtrack
    @emanuel_soundtrack3 жыл бұрын

    youtube is for this: things you would probably not like to pay for elsewhere but wants to know.... Great discovery for me. Its like the archetype of easy romantic writing

  • @JAMESLEVEE
    @JAMESLEVEE3 жыл бұрын

    At first I was inclined to call the key of the symphony C minor, rather than major, because the Allegro of the first movement is in the minor mode. However, after listening, it became apparent to me that the Allegro agitato (ma non troppo presto) is more like a middle section, since the formal structure of a full sonata outline appears to be truncated, and the opening C Major Andante returns to end the movement, making the structure more like a ternary than sonata form. Further hearing might make me change my mind, but for now, C Major it is.

  • @Dylonely42
    @Dylonely42 Жыл бұрын

    Truly… wow.

  • @rolfausdresden2097
    @rolfausdresden20972 жыл бұрын

    24:04 Falling in love with youuuuu - greetings to all Elvis fans :D

  • @cminor3016
    @cminor30162 жыл бұрын

    Mind blowing now, so imagine what it was like back then

  • @fitnessbrotherade2959
    @fitnessbrotherade2959 Жыл бұрын

    Great work !!!!! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼😊🎵🎵🎶🎵 sounds a bit like bhrams according to me

  • @4themusiclovers
    @4themusiclovers3 жыл бұрын

    Merci à vous de mettre un tel compositeur en avant, au-delà de Carmen.

  • @stephenjablonsky1941
    @stephenjablonsky19413 жыл бұрын

    Did you know Bizet wrote a second symphony? I didn't. Nice piece, it is almost great. He just needed to take a few more chances at crazy stuff. I hate when composers are inhibited and are trying to be nice. Every great piece borders on the insane.

  • @loicrenier7619
    @loicrenier76193 жыл бұрын

    Bien plus tourmentée que l'autre et très belle.

  • @norbertflorianschuck9300
    @norbertflorianschuck93009 ай бұрын

    Why is this great symphony so underrated?

  • @RedShedNick

    @RedShedNick

    9 ай бұрын

    God only knows! Its glorious every minute of it!

  • @user-qv6lb5vy4b
    @user-qv6lb5vy4b Жыл бұрын

    Who can resist hearing romantic sounds? I know I cannot what about you?

  • @bevaconme
    @bevaconme6 ай бұрын

    i suspect bizet knew schubert's "great" symphony in c major.

  • @dooglassdorenal7875
    @dooglassdorenal78753 жыл бұрын

    This is a gorgeous symphony, just like the first ! However, I find strange that the Scherzo is the 2nd mouvement and the slow one is the 3rd. Shouldn't it be the reverse?

  • @emmaaxelson7821

    @emmaaxelson7821

    3 жыл бұрын

    It's a little atypical but I've seen it before

  • @timothythorne9464

    @timothythorne9464

    3 жыл бұрын

    Many earlier symphonies place the Scherzo as the 2nd movement. I know Haydn did this on occasion. Probably the two most well-known examples are Beethoven's 9th Symphony and the 2nd symphony of Schumann.

  • @mr-wx3lv
    @mr-wx3lv3 жыл бұрын

    We had a recording of this plus the symphony in C, many years ago on vinyl. Tbh, in my ignorance at the time, I thought it was an orchestral suite. I think it's far from being ponderous and boring. Pity it's rather forgotten...

  • @bartjebartmans

    @bartjebartmans

    3 жыл бұрын

    The "ponderous, boring" critique was from a person who attended the first performance. This was a performance which didn't do the work justice, just like Glazunov wrecked Rachmaninov's magnificent 1st Symphony. The Symphony was performed on 11 January 1863, conducted by Jules Pasdeloup at the Cirque Napoléon, at which Camille Saint-Saëns was present. It was poorly performed and provoked a hostile reaction from many concert subscribers.

  • @benjamindurr9190
    @benjamindurr91903 жыл бұрын

    10:40 to 11:15 omfg

  • @Sshooter444
    @Sshooter4443 жыл бұрын

    As a horn player, I'd rather play this, but I think the 1st symphony is better.

  • @avrumgolub2735

    @avrumgolub2735

    Жыл бұрын

    Helluva Horn parts - from a Horn player.

  • @user-fw2nc6sq8k
    @user-fw2nc6sq8k3 жыл бұрын

    Я первый!!!

  • @paulprocopolis
    @paulprocopolis2 жыл бұрын

    I didn't find the slow movement "ponderous and boring" - not at all!

  • @RedShedNick

    @RedShedNick

    9 ай бұрын

    Ditto!

  • @docbailey3265
    @docbailey32652 жыл бұрын

    I dunno. This sounds like a travelogue for the lady’s lingerie department at Nordstrom’s.

  • @bartjebartmans

    @bartjebartmans

    2 жыл бұрын

    you must be on crack then.

  • @RedShedNick

    @RedShedNick

    9 ай бұрын

    ​@@bartjebartmanshaha here here sir!

  • @mile5578
    @mile55783 жыл бұрын

    xD

  • @mile5578
    @mile55783 жыл бұрын

    Guay

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